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[Pokémon] arche-Type Talk: Ghost, the strongest Type in history
Ghost Type Pokémon have always consistently managed to excel in every generation they've found themselves in. It's no exaggeration to say they were possibly the strongest Type in Pokémon history.
But were they perhaps, too strong?
Lets have a deep dive into the game design behind the Ghost Type, and examine how it changed across the years and generations.
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Timestamps
0:00 - Introduction
1:54 - Type analysis
9:02 - A Gengar Retrospective
23:28 - Ghost's evolution across the years
36:13 - Outro
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Music used:
Prologue, the beginning of the Night [Ghost Trick: Phantom Detective]
4 Minutes before Death [Ghost Trick: Phantom Detective]
Fate Changed [Ghost Trick: Phantom Detective]
Fate Changed, Variation [Ghost Trick: Phantom Detective]
CHASE
Ray, A Ray of Light [Ghost Trick: Phantom Detective]
Epilogue, the End of the "Night" [Ghost Trick: Phantom Detective]
Reincarnation 2023 [Ghost Trick: Phantom Detective Remastered]
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  • @kingarthur8528
    @kingarthur8528 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    I love playing Cleric in DnD. And that's because clerics are hecking OP.

  • @timpind.8237
    @timpind.8237 12 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    I fucking love playing healers

  • @TheLegendaryyoshi
    @TheLegendaryyoshi 12 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Am I the only one who thinks it is far beyond insane that ghost type was registered as physical in generation one. Please tell me I am not alone that literally doesn't make sense.

  • @devilrider39000000
    @devilrider39000000 13 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Maybe it's just me, but I disagree when it comes to thinking what a ghost archetype is. When I think of a ghost the first thing that comes to mind is something frail, but fast with a lot of offense.

  • @candyelysium451
    @candyelysium451 17 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    32:56 Ah, a fellow PMD fan. Do you have any interest in discussing those games at some point?

    • @GoldenOwl_Game
      @GoldenOwl_Game 16 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      If there’s an interesting subject to talk about, I’m not opposed to it. The odd thing about PMD is that nobody really cares about the game itself - they are heavily story driven, which is unusual for a Pokemon game

    • @candyelysium451
      @candyelysium451 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@GoldenOwl_Game That's fair. Music and character writing(I still can't believe some of those Special Episodes are optional) might not be as straightforward to talk about. Beyond that, I guess there could be something about character creation, because making the player taking an entire personality quiz isn't something I see every day.

  • @SnaccHBG
    @SnaccHBG 19 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    I love playing healers (in fact, I just healed some group content in Guild Wars 2 today) so the intro section went over my head. ☠️

  • @fortello7219
    @fortello7219 วันที่ผ่านมา

    16:35 I can't agree with that. For one thing their only STAB Ghost move was Lick, and I want to believe the designers weren't expecting the player to use that move as their only offensive Ghost move. There's also the matter of their typing. The Poison-type feels like a strange inclusion on all levels. They dont even make mention of being poisonous in their dex entries, only Gastly being made of a "gas". It seems more likely to me that the designers wanted the Ghost type to be immune to the poisoned condition (lacking physical bodies?) but couldnt do it without adding the type. Since back then types were immune to the effects of moves of their own type, rather than flat out immune. There's simply not enough information to suggest the Ghost-type was under devloped rather than intentionally nerfed, especially since a Gengar without the Poison-type wasn't all that dangerous to the Psychic-type to begin with, even if it could do SE damage.

  • @miguelmartinez-yd1gf
    @miguelmartinez-yd1gf วันที่ผ่านมา

    I would like to see more videos like this for diferent relevant types in pokemon, like the 3 type starters, the psychic type, the dark, dragon amd fairy type for example.

    • @GoldenOwl_Game
      @GoldenOwl_Game วันที่ผ่านมา

      The 3 starter types have already been made. The rest will be gotten to. Eventually

  • @Sharkyray5103
    @Sharkyray5103 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Not me getting PTSD from the Giratina phase 2 guitar (I lost to Volo like 30 times, most of them being against Giratina’s phases)

  • @Sharkyray5103
    @Sharkyray5103 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Next time they should give Cynthia the friendship RNG stuff. Imagine hitting Garchomp with two Ice type moves. The first being tanked by a berry and the second the Garcbomp touched it out as to not make Cynthia sad

  • @ceulgai2817
    @ceulgai2817 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I don't think Ghost was meant to be the defensive bastion you claim it to be. The flavor text in Sabrina's gym isn't advertising Ghost-types as the defensive answer to Psychics: It's advertising the Psychic types as one only beatable by Ghosts. The flavor text in Lavender, for example, highlights them not as impenetrable or bulky, but as tricky, illusory, and mentally taxing. My prototypical Ghost mon would be high SpAtk, high Spd, low HP and low Def, not the bulky wall you described.

  • @evansears711
    @evansears711 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Cynthia’s team, from memory: Spiritomb is her lead. She also has Lucario, Milotic, Roserade/Gastrodon (depending on which version you play), and Togekiss, and her ace, of course, is the Sinnoh pseudo-legendary: Garchomp. EDIT: I got it somewhat wrong. I got the pokemon right, but not the Platinum switch. I thought it was Roserade that swapped out for Gastrodon, but that’s incorrect; Gastrodon swaps for Togekiss in Platinum. Oh, well

  • @Jdogrey1
    @Jdogrey1 วันที่ผ่านมา

    It is still crazy to me how people say Kokomi and Sigewinne are bad in Genshin. Both of them are insanely good.

  • @Jdogrey1
    @Jdogrey1 วันที่ผ่านมา

    So I might just be weird for this, but basically all my favorite characters to play were in this thumbnail. In Genshin, my favorite characters to play are Kokomi, Furina, and Sigewinne. My favorite in FFVII Remake is Aerith. In League of Legends, other than Briar, my favorite characters are supports like Soraka, Sona, and Lulu. I played healer in New World, though I was pretty much self-sufficient in that game rather than healing others. I love healers.

  • @dabom88
    @dabom88 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I was waiting for the section of how Calyrex Shadow and Astral Barrage are broken, and was a bit disappointed how it never came.

  • @emi_333
    @emi_333 วันที่ผ่านมา

    healers are illusionists. they give the dps the illusion that they’re the most important part of the team 💀

  • @SerDerpish
    @SerDerpish วันที่ผ่านมา

    At what point in the design stage do you say “maybe we should give pokemon more non-normal type moves” instead of nerfing the sole ghost type 🤦🏽‍♂️ Edit: lol apparently the answer according to the video is “gen 3” 💀

    • @GoldenOwl_Game
      @GoldenOwl_Game วันที่ผ่านมา

      Gen 3 was pretty much the point when they decided to actually let Pokemon have fun toys instead of just normal moves

  • @Dokurider
    @Dokurider 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I think Ghost coverage is way too powerful nowadays. I think Pokemon could use a extra ghost resist.

  • @RealLifeIronMan
    @RealLifeIronMan 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Gengar the OG Shedinja

  • @Xalvalis
    @Xalvalis 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Red gave me trauma, Cynthia i KNEW early on there no way she wouldnt be powerful(mythology researcher bias), the music score for any battle truly built for skill checks are very well know by now yes, but they convey energy the moment they begin. A messy living area is also generally a sign of an overactive mind, one geared towards strategy, war, and battle.

  • @UltimatePhantasm
    @UltimatePhantasm 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    And don't you fuckin' forget it

  • @slowpokedragon
    @slowpokedragon 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    i REALLY REALLLLLLY wish the captions for the opening gag actually FUCKING CAPTIONED WHAT I WAS WATCHING. i LOVE being hard of hearing.

    • @GoldenOwl_Game
      @GoldenOwl_Game 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Thanks for letting me know about that - I've now added subtitles for it. I hadn't considered the piano music would've been too loud.

  • @seisveintiocho-x9e
    @seisveintiocho-x9e 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Gengars stats and stabs do not match but that is good design because gengar is still a solid ou pokemon in the first few generations. every pokemon needs some weakness.

  • @Zcmb1e
    @Zcmb1e 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I play as a healer bc if they act like assholes Ill just stop healing so they will know to just shut up if I didnt manage to heal them from across the map

  • @victorjun2421
    @victorjun2421 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Way back then i tried being an all rounder player so i could do a bit of everything decently well. But i realized people suck at dealing damage. What's the point of healing someone who can barely deal any damage? I'd rather become a very good DPS so i can carry the team and hopefully someone else can play as the healer.

  • @Alexcoman51
    @Alexcoman51 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    No mention of the removal of pursuit in gen 8? That was a huge buff to many ghosts and psychics in competitive

  • @RedSatoshi
    @RedSatoshi 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Love the reference of A Christmas Carol with the ghosts of past, present, and future. It's a great line!

  • @jive238
    @jive238 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    All i can see is that game freak has been after my boy gengar since gen 1. Culminating in their most blatant attack against him to date, replacing levitate with curse body. What kinda jackass gives a *glass cannon* a skill that activates upon being hit? A spiteful one i assure you.

  • @TheAAJYu
    @TheAAJYu 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Given how all of her Pokémon shared the Poison type, I have more of a mind to call Agatha a Poison specialist rather than a Ghost specialist. 😅

  • @ericlang7987
    @ericlang7987 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I have a feeling that the reason why starter Pokemon would never refrain from being Fire, Water, and Grass types not only because of their straightforward matchups, but also because they correspond to the primary colors of light.

  • @commonviewer2488
    @commonviewer2488 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The pure ghost tank that is Dusclops is a strong argument for why Gengar had to be nerfed in the gen where Sp. Attack and Sp. Defense were the same thing.

  • @LonggoBonggo
    @LonggoBonggo 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I'm pretty sure ghost types were always meant to be a tricky prankster archetype, all of the ghost types in gen 1's dungeon were only trying to inconvenience you without doing significant damage. The type was all the defensive profile it needed, while it's higher speed means they would have more chances to inflict status onto you. Plus the anime also supports this with how the ghastly first appeared and all of them were just trying to prank the main cast.

  • @andrewharris1344
    @andrewharris1344 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Ghost is my second favorite type. Only beat by Poison. I would love a type video focused on the poison type it’s the only one that excels at damage over time.

  • @AlderaansRanger
    @AlderaansRanger 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I’ve lost to Cynthia on platinum probably 20x now and just went through the elite 4 and finally beat her while watching your video 😂

  • @ericlang7987
    @ericlang7987 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    If Kalos did have a Ghost-type gym leader, their ace would have to be a Mega Gengar.

  • @stevenchoza6391
    @stevenchoza6391 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Still waiting for that Ice-Type video.

  • @2010AZ
    @2010AZ 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I disagree with 12:00, even thought it might be because I play lastest gen competitive pokémon. When I think Ghost, I think generally specially offensive and fast pokémon, sometimes frail, sometimes with a good support movepool, so besides gengar, I think of Chandelure, Marshadow, Flutter Mane, Gholdengo, Spectrier, Polteageist, etc.

  • @KimFareseed
    @KimFareseed 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    17:44 That had me laughing. Always have to pick the *type* that is Super Effective. Good thing GameFreak moved on to test for damage roll comparison between moves as well in gen 2.

  • @lordinfernape4753
    @lordinfernape4753 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Will O Wisp is fire type to make Normal Pokemon vulnerable to it, plus flash Fire Pokemon get the boost

    • @KimFareseed
      @KimFareseed 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I though status moves tended to be ignored by the type chart, for non ability type immunity, unless if the move sub category that gets affected (sound, powder moves, etc.)

    • @lordinfernape4753
      @lordinfernape4753 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@KimFareseed Some of them are, some arent

  • @TheAngryFoxy
    @TheAngryFoxy 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I always play healers online. I love building healers, I like to study their kits and build them to be more than "just healers". I like the feeling of being helpful to my teammates. But sometimes people forget that having a healer in your team doesn't mean "never dying" automatically. If you go straight to the enemy and catch all of the damage blindlessly I MIGHT WON'T BE ABLE TO SAVE YOUR BRAINLESS ASS. Otherwise I really enjoy this role 😊

  • @cellP8
    @cellP8 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    what an amazing video, they always trying to keep my boy Gengar down

  • @blackson932
    @blackson932 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Man the piano music still give me goosebumps.

  • @Zero_de_Nova
    @Zero_de_Nova 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Ghostrick AND TF2? Nice

  • @misterzygarde6431
    @misterzygarde6431 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    13:05 I would’ve probably have had Ghost and Dragon trade places. You know, given how we got a part Ghost starter in Alola, Hisui, and Paldea. I do hope that Game Freak takes a break from using Ghost as a secondary type for starters along with Dark and Fighting.

  • @javonjones8310
    @javonjones8310 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Here for thumbnail.

  • @jacobharlin37
    @jacobharlin37 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Late to this party, but my first encounter with Cynthia in Diamond was not bad but I attribute that to my being a water starter person. I learned back in blue version that as far as the in game opponents were concerned, the water starter was the best of the three. Water was weak to grass but you can teach all the water starters ice beam and that was super effective against grass, learning much later in the game, since dragons were super uncommon in gen 1 (literally only 3 pokemon and they were a single evolutionary line), was just extra reinforcement to my mentality so I always started with waters. Also due to the massive jump in levels from Blue just before Victory Road to him as champion, with every one of his pokemon gaining 9 to a whopping 18 levels, I learned to grind just before Elite Four, pretty sure he almost stomped me first time, thank you revives and full restores. Back to Cynthia, the comment in the video about Dialga a Palkia didn't pertain to me because I saw awesome dragon with dragon Hyper Beam and wanted that thing to be my highest level by a wide margin. So with that I clicked Roar of Time and Garchomp disappeared. Empoleon was then able to handle most other things, what with Ice Beam, Surf, and I think Drill Peck, pretty sure I ran Aqua Jet as well because I want to be that guy that always gets at least one hit in. Now the hut in Black and White freaked the shit out of me though and I think I barely won, but I also grind the Elite Four in every gen for xp and money.

  • @joshwew9551
    @joshwew9551 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Golden Owl forgot the menace that is Shadow Rider Calyrex. 165 Special Attack + Astral Barrage + Grim Neigh is busted.