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@ukarlsson Thanks! This is a surf boat so it produces big waves by design with water weight and surf gates 🤙🏼

@slappyosis So for this I used the 1180 just so I could pump with less effort. 960 when healthy is preferred though and makes wake transfers easy. And thanks!

When I tried the 1180 behind the boat I didn't like it at all compared to the 910b, which surprised me as I like big foils in general and I love the 1180 for winging and kiting.

@slappyosis What about it didn't you like behind the boat? For me it was better than the 1180, but still too big compared to the 960.

@@FoilFanatic42 It felt kind of twitchy and didn't like the wash, I was running skinny 45 tail but I was also using an 80 cm board which made starting a massive endeavor.

@slappyosis Ah yeah I could see that coming from a png wing. Starting on smaller boards is definitely a leaning curve, but 80cm would be super tough!

@donovanb5652 Thanks man! Can't wait to get back out there with you guys 🤙🏼

@maximpashkevskiy4168 this would have been the 1150 front and 460 rear

Using both hands for me has never worked and can be dangerous as you are much closer to the board. Balancing on your hands is much harder than your legs in my experience.

Funny enough (not really) I'm working through a knee injury right now, but not from foiling. Although foiling, in my experience, has no knee impact luckily.

@Ben4eck position A did work much better, but I only ever had the 48cm stab.

@realandthebandit2535 If I fall I just paddle back on the board. Not too bad really

@@FoilFanatic42 thanks. Really enjoying your adventures keep it up!

​@@realandthebandit2535I appreciate it! I've got newer gear to try as soon as my knee heals 🤘🏼

@oneamateur I fully agree! Jumping down conserves more energy as well, which makes the start less tiring.

@@jamesmckeown4743 Yeah, position A worked better for me for sure.

@@FoilFanatic42 good deal. I just got the pump v2 setup and am hoping to be able to dock start with my alien air 4'8" board (though I suspect the board may be too long?) Good to see someone else having some success with the quantum 100 wing!

@jamesmckeown4743 4'8 is going to be a challenge for sure...do you know the weight? I have some videos comparing the Q100 to my original axis setup and while the Q100 helped me learn, it's still decently tough to dockstart in my opinion. Are you planning to run off the dock or use a launcher like I did here?

@jaron808 Hit by a wave at the beach and knocked my knee out. MRI shows bone bruise unfortunately

@@pvtbattles8327 Hell yeah!

@MaxPayneLane Glad you're enjoying the videos! The skinny I use is the 362/50 and I love it. I've only used the skinny 50 and the 460 pump, but I would say go bigger first for the stability and powerful pumps. Do you have any experience on other gear?

@@FoilFanatic42 I have a 76 hover glide that I started surfing the wake on my boat this year with. I just bought a hover glide quantum 100 before I found a deal on the axis wings. I took the quantum 100 out once and was able to surf the second wake for several minutes. I'm not good at pumping while off the wake but I have managed to recover with a few quick pumps when I strayed too far from the wake.

@MaxPayneLane Sounds like you're getting the hang of it pretty quick! The axis gear will accelerate your learning by a lot due to its efficiency.

@AdamsHadEnough That really is one of the hardest parts since so many docks don't have enough room underneath. The dock in this video has deep dock floats, so the board has to be kinda low. One method I use on docks with no undercut or posts, is the jump start straight out. This does require a 1300cm^2 and up foil for me though.

Sounds like you have some nice setups! In this video my setup is the Dwarfcraft 100 Board, 75cm Alu mast, black ultrashort advanced+, 1401 front wing, and Skinny 50 rear wing. A skinny rear compared to the 460 will make a ton of difference! The drag will go way down, it will be easier to gain height on the mast, but your cadence will go up. Hope this helps!

Luckily this is a floating dock and only sits a couple inches below the water.

Yeah, the creek is straight up nasty lol

Thanks for the input! You could be right and it may help improve consistency. I'll give it a shot next week and see how it goes 🤘🏼

100cm for the board

Efoiling definitely helped the learning process

Thanks! It's kind of like and underwater airplane, utilizing a front wing and rear stabilizer. Super efficient in waves and allows for "pumping" to gain speed and control height above the water 🤙🏼

Really.. read a book 😂

@@matstarcher7630 really.. don't be a asshole/bitch to someone who has done absolutely nothing to you.

@@FoilFanatic42 thank you for taking the time to explain that to me, that was very interesting and honest looks like so much fun! Be careful out there on the water.

@@Slug-Fest Absolutely, thanks!

Floating docks in my experience don't help when waves come in due to the dock rocking side to side and up and down. In the creek it works great though

The 960 would likely be good for your weight at 210. We have the wave turned down to 3/6 and I surfed the 3rd wake today easily with the 960 and I could probably go for an even smaller wing, but the pumpability of the 960 is probably as small as I'll go due to how well it pumps.

@@FoilFanatic42thank you! Appreciate all the great content

Absolutely, happy to share! The 460 rear made the 1180 easier to dead start, but not as fun to pump due to the drag.

Yessir! Going to have to give that a try at the lake this weekend with the higher dock 🤙🏼

it's the 75cm mast, US Advanced+ fuse and skinny 50 tail 🤙🏼

A deadstart on this wing is super impressive, well done! I can't speak for the progressives since I haven't used them, but I've been really hally with the skinny 50. Are you on a high dock for the dead start?

@@FoilFanatic42 probably only about half mast length high. Here is a bad clip of the launch.. basicly throw the board and jump after it with hands on the board, landing in a crouch. Initiating a circle also gives some extra low end. th-cam.com/users/clipUgkxJIh032eVVTi5T1ojBYHqeBY1sX_Qs_qQ?si=ieM0fVL-E1dAEgBb

@powis-tv8ln Nice! Probably a launch I could do at the lake with the higher dock. Also want go try Yvon's inverted dock start to see the success rate.

No worries, we'll be using it soon! Can't trust this dirty water lol

You are correct, in part 2 of this video I was able to get it. It was tough though!

You'll love the 1180 for dockstarts for sure! Also the lack of gators will help too 😅

@@FoilFanatic42 I thought it was great. "The water is disgusting... motivation not to fall. Then proceeds to fall in it 20 times. :) You got it though!

@DannyCruzCreations Lol yeah it was nasty, but worth it!

I have a feeling I don't wanna know haha

Love to see it! How long can you pump the 840?

@@FoilFanatic42 Maybe 30 seconds? I’ll time it next time but I don’t think I can make a minute.

@EvanFoiling Would be an interesting data point for sure!

Plenty of better foil options out there.

@@Alfonso_111 What do you use?

It will be a fun test for sure! Which wings do you have along side the 1401 currently?

@@FoilFanatic42 currently spitfire 1180 and art pro 1201, which i can still start rather comfortably without running as long as there is a bit of drop. Dont want to keep so many wings and was looking at the 960 but cant take the leap of faith. I'd need to pump it for 1 min + in order to go grab some waves further out. If my heart explodes before that (74kg) then it wont do here :/

@@FoilFanatic42 chatting with Yvon after his last video dropped th-cam.com/video/iG8t1Zp1zo4/w-d-xo.html -> basically small bumps/waves he took the 1401, big waves then down to the 960... quite impressive

@arco2ch Nice! I haven't tried the 1201. Is it compatible to the 1180? For the 960, I think I can get close to a minute on a good day with less trash in the water for sure.

@@FoilFanatic42 nope - art pro and spitfire feels very different . art pro i dont think is ideal for carving, although with small wingspan is doable. The spitfire rolls much nicer but are a tougher to pump for long, so you want them to play around (short roundtrips) or to reach a wave!

It was the 2nd one in like 30 minutes. Why is it always crackheads telling me these things 😅

Ultrashort advanced+ and skinny 50

@@FoilFanatic42 thanks! Something the 1180 has in common with the 1150, 1300 is an additional extra degree of angle upwards in the foil. The spitfires 1100 and below (and ART, HPS) don't have as much. I tried adding the +1 shim (comes in the bolt pack) to the rear wing on demo spitfire 1100 and it improved the low end significantly and made it possible to dead start. I have the 960 and great to see you get it going, I was about to give up on it..

@powis-tv8ln Interesting on the angle similarities and differences between the setups. Is there a chart for this? I need to experiment with shims for this reason. Definitely keep trying with the 960, it's a fun wing!

Really? I've heard code foils ride bigger than the number suggest, but 770cm^2 would be insane! If I ever get access to some code gear I'll definitely give it a shot!

@@FoilFanatic42 yep the stall speed of the codes are insane. The 860r was like 100x easier than the spitfire 1030 for me to dockstart.

@apricotscrub Man that's insane! I've seen that they are like crazy thin wings compared to the market standard. How's do they carve and pump compared to the Spitfire?

@@FoilFanatic42 the S wings are basically like the art axis but way easier to pump and better turning, the R is like +40% more distance per pump vs S, similar stall speed (860r has better stall than 980s), turns worse than s on waves. The smaller R still turn great as they are tiny wings. Personally there are no code wings I'm doing over 2 minutes on, every run is probably one minute for me, but distance covered is huge. I'm currently on the 1075, I use it both as a prone foil and dockstart. Get around a minute.

Thanks! The 960 has been an absolute blast to pump and carve behind the boat. I agree though, the dockstart can be tough!

Question, does your dock there allow your foil tips to not hit the flotation underneath? I’ve not been able to find a local dock that doesn’t have concrete floats underwater even with the edge of the dock 🤦‍♂️

@RCKahuna150 So for this dock it's super nice because it's just a floating plastic dock that sits a couple inches in the water. The con is that it's really low. The dock at the lake I use has dock supports that sit decently deep underwater so the foil has to be pretty low, but since it's a high dock I can use gravity to assist the launch. Where do you foil?

I’m in the tricites WA area. There’s like 5 foilers around here and I know 4 counting myself😂 I kinda trail blazing the pump foil thing around here I guess..

@RCKahuna150 Nice! Do you have any other wings for dockstarting? Sometimes I have to jump start instead depending on the dock height/float situation.

That it does!

Absolutely! These guys killed it!

@@FoilFanatic42 Learing how to wingfoil dock foiling is definitely next.

It’s not easy fosho