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you can also ledge cancel up b if you're crazy with it

I can tell these people didn't play melee...CC/ASDI down IS the game. People literally hold down on the right stick while dashdancing bc its so gd strong... I can see how, as a rivals 1 player, never having to deal with it b4 then expecting to be able to hit them the same in this game, could be a huge letdown/turnoff. But as a melee player, we just see "same shit different game" and we really arent turned off/affected by it as much. If i see my opps crouching, im grabbing. but thats the melee in me. Rivals 1 was verrry fast and basically a game of who could murder who faster, with very few options for the defender to survive once in the vortex. I think theres def some middle ground here, but removing the mechanic is not it. for people saying "I can only use certain moves in neutral"... Stop. Thats a SKILL ISSUE. just use the moves that work and stop doing frame negative shit that can be ccd/floorhugged. Shields are very similar and I've seen people complain about that as well. you have to space, think, and not just roll the c stick in the direction of your opponent now. I agree this game is a massive improvement on the platform fighter strategy, but its A LOT more like smash than rivals 1 and i think thats why Rivals players are struggling. PS: This is my opinion....I love everyone and im really enjoying the game!

"It's literally weaker than it is in Melee and PM." Oh, pardon me, I was under the impression that you were talking about Rivals of Aether 2. Was it actually about Melee and PM? Are we playing those games right now? Did those games have microtransaction stores and battle passes instead of tutorials? For someone deepthroating the mic and acting like a pedantic know-it-all, you're the one who didn't watch BioBirb's video. He quite directly goes over the list of counterplay options, which include: - Spike moves (I hope your character has a safe one to throw out!) - Grab (and potentially deal with pummel RPS) - Contort your entire strategy and give up any semblance of pressure to deal with the mere possibility of your opponent tapping down on the stick at the moment he gets hit You must also consider that being forced into doing this as the defender is not fun, since I either tap down like a monkey or your opponent gets to do real combos. Counterplay is not a mandate from Mount Olympus that makes something right. As I once saw a wise man put it: "the existence of a solution to a problem within a system does not mean there is no problem."

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This video is real and it cured my cancer fr fr

I don’t care what fancy name gen z comes up with I’m not calling it floor hugging

Hey Elpe, do you do paid lessons?

Yo, is elpe a Nelward fan? Unbelievably based.

Wait hol up I need this in my life. The video and comments make me feel like I missed out

I wanna learn how to play her so badly, but don't even know the first thing about wavedashing lmao

Coughing baby vs Hydrogen bomb

as much as all these are new and seem like amazing things to use, idk how to apply these things in my gameplay!

I love good advice from a rivals 2 veteran 🙏

MAYPULAWESOME

You're just correct and everyone who disagrees is wrong and dumb.

1 billion zetterburns or one of every pokemon?

My wrists hate me, BUT I MUST MAYPUL

I haven't gotten the game and I already know that all of your points are dumb. Now I'm not a scumbag so I'm not gonna say you're dumb because of it. But all I want you to realize is forcing to only grab your opponent isn't fun.

After the game is out for a bit longer and most of the Ultimate kids move on, I guarantee “floor hugging” will hardly be mentioned at all

What a crazy ass character. I'm sold. Great fast tutorial. When I saw him turn invisible, I thought something was wrong with my graphics. 😂

I will never forget first time playing in a tournament. I was a military brat and I was living in Korea at the time. Randomly I saw a smash tournament was gonna be at the mustang center, so I signed. Finally I get there and my first opponent was a the 8th best. Got demolished but that’s what gave me the inspiration to get really good at this game. Then I actually started doing good at ngl, those were some of the highs of my life so far.

Good tips & examples. Thanks! You should record in 60fps.

plz upload Maypul gameplay, doesnt even need to be edited, there arent top level Maypuls streaming nor youtube videos

I'm basically on the ground of the rivals 2 skill ladder but maypul just feels right, even though she's harder to play than most of the cast and i'd be better off learning the game on someone easier i'm adoring her kit too much

I was gonna play Clairen in Rivals 2 but I quickly switched to wanting to play Maypul just before the game released because of the level 50 skin lmao This guide was super helpful cuz I've never played as Maypul before, even in Rivals 1, so learning the simple stuff from this is great

it's "low skill floor", if what you mean is that as your skill decreases, you can perform worse than other characters at a low level.

no, you dont actually "have to time it" correctly to floor hug. You can simply just option select it because SDI down isnt an option with a lockout window, and because the exchange happens on hit instead of directly before its kind of trivial to control for. This is already in a game where you can't counterpoke anything and there's little reason to actually space anything.

really good vid! Thanks for explaining neutral as well

Honestly, new to Rivals 2, never played Rivals or Melee or PM. Maybe casual Ultimate trash. BUT - Rivals 2 is so insanely fast and disadvantage basically STARTS if you so much as shield against half the casts buttons, so if there is something I can do to maybe get to play the game that stock, hey I'm all for it

>calls bio's video "a very opinionated and misinformed take" >makes an equally opinionated video misrepresenting many of bio's points Online discourse in a nutshell.

I think it should be more like if your attack gets crouch cancelled your faster frame moves should come out a few frames later. So you could shield a combo, grab or read the shield punish your opponents going to attempt. Where it is now just makes some moves not feel good in nuetral when their poke tools. Though through a few balance tweeks in the future this is probably going to be slightly tweaked to feel better to play with in those moments.

People don't get mad because "they watched one video". I played the demo. I didn't like the fact that anyone grounded could always counter me. Your video is frankly uninformed. In fact, you neglected to mention a SINGLE reason as to why it SHOULD BE IN THE GAME. It's not fun, you just talk about how to play around a mechanic that isn't fun.

first off, this video was very poorly made and you should feel bad about it. second, the issue people have is not CC. The issue is FH. At low %, half the moves in the game are not safe on hit when spaced. That's a problem when the moves that aren't safe are combo starters. This game is just grab grab grab because of this.

why are people conflating crouch cancelling with floor hugging

Looks idiot anyway

You're explaining how it has a counter but not how it make the game better or more "fun". Then you undermine any negative opinion by reducing it to it being a "skill issue". Not a good look.

"That was easy." You underestimate how crappy some newer players can be. I still haven't the vaguest idea of how to do this, let alone consistently pull it off. If I hit someone, I should have the advantage. We already have reversing mechanics like shield and parry, what was the need for this unintuitive and arcane mechanic on top? Genuinely wanna know. Even the arcade hard boss seems to do it and I can't beat this shit. I've been at it for over TWO HOURS. I tried several things, nothing worked. No boss should be this hard.

CC is not a problem, but floorhugging after a missed parry or during a roll/spotdodge has been and always will be strong. I definitely see the benefit in nerfing it in that regard, but even so, there is still counterplay, and your opponent does have to get hit and then time the input in order to do it anyway. I'm coming from being both a Rivals and Melee player, so I'm not exactly biased toward either one, but I'm fine with floorhugging remaining as it is or being reduced. Just don't outright kill it.

I would hesitate to label the others video as misinformed. Just because a mechanic was present in P+ and accepted doesn't mean it must be good or liked by all. You have to consider BioBirbs main background is Rivals 1 (or at least he played that most recently.).in Rivals 1 I can't think of any move that is minus on hit. In project plus there are some moves that are punishable on hit unless L-canceled. Plus the introduction of shields when rivals 1 didn't have them introduces even more ways to be punished for being aggressive. My feeling is that BioBirb just doesn't like playing a fighting game where you can be punished for aggression, especially when the number of moves that can break that CC or floor hug is a bit more limited than desired. I think everyone is allowed to have preferences and the heat in both videos is fully unnecessary. In honesty because rivals 2 is so different than rivals 1 I have a strong feeling as if rivals 1 will continue to live on or that rivals 2 may introduce a sort of classic mode in the future.

CC should be removed because I jabbed an orcane holding crouch for 300 years and he down stronged me. It's obviously NOT me!

You’re kind of already approaching this from the wrong angle. Saying “this doesn’t need to be a deal breaker” and “this is just a skill issue” invalidates any negative opinion held by anybody regarding the mechanic, even if it’s just conceptually. There’s no actual analysis here of why CC/FH is necessary to the game flow, nor is there an exploration or even theorycraft of how the game would be differently balanced without it, potentially even better balanced without it (plenty of platform fighters get by without the mechanic, why are their successes and flaws dealing without it not discussed?) I don’t love CC/FH. I think it’s a mechanic born of Melee/PM loyalism, and you can’t really make the excuse that people should like it in Rivals 2 because “it’s not as strong here.” That’s not what people care about. I think you’re actively doing both your side and the side you’re against a disservice by coming at this at an even more surface level approach than Bio did. I don’t believe this video will help change the mind of the already extremely niche subset of people who are turned off by the mechanic. Don’t normally interact with videos like this, but felt the need to talk on this here because you’re just doing what Birb did, and for a person you felt was making a heavily opinionated and misinformed video, this video also felt heavily opinionated, and actively ignorant to the actual intent of the video you’re responding to.

So that what those arrows mean

"it's in melee guys 🫵😯, we have to put it in the game!"

Bios video mentions 3 forms of counterplay to floorhugging/crouch cancelling, if you think he did not mention any forms of counterplay you need to rewatch the video. If you still cant find it after rewatching it then i can provide timestamps to help.

Currently the most consistent way for me (a not so good player) to counterplay people who know how to floorhug is to play Grabs of Aether. I don't want to spend my time playing Grabs of Aether, and the promise of a deep game on the other side isn't enough to make me want to play Grabs of Aether. Game's not for me.

First off, he mentioned the counterplay. That was part of the problem, if you don't punish someone with a spike or grab, they punish your punish. Second, it doesn't make the game better, in invalidates a bunch of moves making the game shallower and more boring. Third. Crouch Cancel can't be done at any time during any state. It's a low risk counter that trades % for frame advantage and requires you to crouch in advance. Floorhugging can be done at any time in any state, including a failed parry, a roll, or mid attack. This "Mechanic" is caustic to competitive play, I can think of a single fighting game where you can interrupt your opponents combo and that's guilty gears burst, which is limited by a gauge and can't be done constantly. Additionally, there's counter play to it that's more than just "Only using certain attacks". if you predict it you can block it then continue your combo. Being able to do it at will as many times as you want is just awful.

It's like parries in third strike kinda

The problem isn't the floorhugging or the CC The actual problem is that the game plays nothing like Rivals 1, and that one fact basically recontextualizes the reason we got here in the first place. Players who expected or supported a sequel to Rivals are left without a direct sequel, and the response to CC and FH since the early betas has happened as a direct result of the differences between RoA1 and RoA2, and the expectations of the playerbase who played and enjoyed RoA 1.

ay, someone had to say it :P

As a new player I don't understand anything of this terms and mechanics 🤷🏻‍♂️