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Sparks' Curiosity
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เข้าร่วมเมื่อ 7 ก.ย. 2023
exploring art + creative tech
Knitting tall striped socks on 3D printed knitting machines
Here’s a little scary movie about learning from a bunch of mistakes… nothing like some tall wool socks to put the “cozy” in cozy horror! In this video, I’m experimenting with using both the 3D printed flatbed machine AND the circular sock machine on different parts of the same project, and trying out some tricky techniques.
CHAPTERS
0:00 Intro: spooky season + tall socks
0:22 Why a flatbed when you already have a circular sock machine?
2:39 The plan
4:12 Yarn & swatches
5:02 Setting up the machine
6:22 Casting on with rag, weights, and waste yarn
7:43 Knit, hang hem, undo, knit, hang hem
8:21 Knitting the leg: increasing, decreasing, and stripes
12:13 Seaming the leg
13:54 Transfer to CSM
17:53 Knitting the contrast heel
19:22 Knitting the toe
21:09 The big finish
MUSIC
Skeleton Dance - Myuu
Tiptoes - Myuu
Sinister - Anno Domini Beats
Spookster - Wayne Jones
Corny Candy - The Soundlings
Tragic Story - Myuu
A Hand In The Dark - Underbelly & Ty Mayer
Shadows - Anno Domini Beats
REFERENCES
[1] archive.org/details/instructionsforo00aike/mode/2up?view=theater
[2] Technical drawing of William Lee’s stocking frame en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stocking_frame#/media/File:Lee's_knitting_frame.jpg
[3] There are lots of techniques and associated tutorials for this, see e.g. Single Bed Socks for standard gauge knitting machines, th-cam.com/video/s4Qx5cX0SgM/w-d-xo.html; th-cam.com/video/LaQAucW3_3c/w-d-xo.htmlsi=lvBxDEiIJb-Wo-w7; alessandrina.com/2019/12/09/sock-knitting-resources-and-ideas-for-machine-knitting/ has a good roundup of various approaches to seam placement
[4] Again, lots of different ideas out there! I adapted the split ring cast-on bonnet from Dean and Bean’s (www.deanandbean.com/setup-bonnet-pattern-20) to a flat design; for a flat design without split rings, see How to Make & Use a Cast On Rag by Diana Sullivan th-cam.com/video/uDYNtGNg8rQ/w-d-xo.html
[5] See alessandrina.com/2017/02/12/machine-knit-hems-2/#:~:text=When%C2%A0hanging%20any%20hem%2C%20one%20stitch%20is%20lost%20on%20the%20side%20of%20the%20cut%20yarn%20end for a good illustration.
[6] Easy Cable Join for Machine Knitting by Diana Sullivan th-cam.com/video/aS5xDXwjRRY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=LcwmqZDoh1txTRla
PS The framing for some of the overhead shots didn't leave much room for captions so I intentionally included some empty space in a few clips; thanks in advance for ignoring it if you don't use captions, and hopefully it helps a bit if you do!
CHAPTERS
0:00 Intro: spooky season + tall socks
0:22 Why a flatbed when you already have a circular sock machine?
2:39 The plan
4:12 Yarn & swatches
5:02 Setting up the machine
6:22 Casting on with rag, weights, and waste yarn
7:43 Knit, hang hem, undo, knit, hang hem
8:21 Knitting the leg: increasing, decreasing, and stripes
12:13 Seaming the leg
13:54 Transfer to CSM
17:53 Knitting the contrast heel
19:22 Knitting the toe
21:09 The big finish
MUSIC
Skeleton Dance - Myuu
Tiptoes - Myuu
Sinister - Anno Domini Beats
Spookster - Wayne Jones
Corny Candy - The Soundlings
Tragic Story - Myuu
A Hand In The Dark - Underbelly & Ty Mayer
Shadows - Anno Domini Beats
REFERENCES
[1] archive.org/details/instructionsforo00aike/mode/2up?view=theater
[2] Technical drawing of William Lee’s stocking frame en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stocking_frame#/media/File:Lee's_knitting_frame.jpg
[3] There are lots of techniques and associated tutorials for this, see e.g. Single Bed Socks for standard gauge knitting machines, th-cam.com/video/s4Qx5cX0SgM/w-d-xo.html; th-cam.com/video/LaQAucW3_3c/w-d-xo.htmlsi=lvBxDEiIJb-Wo-w7; alessandrina.com/2019/12/09/sock-knitting-resources-and-ideas-for-machine-knitting/ has a good roundup of various approaches to seam placement
[4] Again, lots of different ideas out there! I adapted the split ring cast-on bonnet from Dean and Bean’s (www.deanandbean.com/setup-bonnet-pattern-20) to a flat design; for a flat design without split rings, see How to Make & Use a Cast On Rag by Diana Sullivan th-cam.com/video/uDYNtGNg8rQ/w-d-xo.html
[5] See alessandrina.com/2017/02/12/machine-knit-hems-2/#:~:text=When%C2%A0hanging%20any%20hem%2C%20one%20stitch%20is%20lost%20on%20the%20side%20of%20the%20cut%20yarn%20end for a good illustration.
[6] Easy Cable Join for Machine Knitting by Diana Sullivan th-cam.com/video/aS5xDXwjRRY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=LcwmqZDoh1txTRla
PS The framing for some of the overhead shots didn't leave much room for captions so I intentionally included some empty space in a few clips; thanks in advance for ignoring it if you don't use captions, and hopefully it helps a bit if you do!
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This is super. Thank you for sharing. I'm a recent convert to knitting machines and my son is the 3D printer. I'm super interested in the cone winder. Can you share anything about that please? Thanks And Happy New Year.
One thing I'd be really interested in is the printing of "stencils" that have a pattern that (either manually or automatically) push some of the needles (in the specified pattern) in for knitting or not, could opeb the door to semi-automated multi-color patterns
but, WHAT SEASON OF BUFFY???
Wow! super valuable review!
This seems less complex than open knit project, but I'm still planning to try that one, because I think it can knit almost a complete garment. Have you looked into that one?
Danke!
Thank you! 🥰
Clever lass, you are incorporating modern tech with older artisan skills. LOVE IT! Love to see more.
As a Silver Reed SK280 owner, and long time machine knitter, I love this and wouldn't mind helping remix a Bulky version (eventually... I need to figure out CAD first, LOL). BUT I wanted to quickly add that if your "carriage" can SLIP, then it is very easy to also make it TUCK. All that is necessary is to add some way to raise a bump in the middle of the passing (AKA slip) channel at the bottom that will raise the needles enough to grab the yarn but not pull off the fabric. I would encourage you to add this to the current iteration of carriage as it *seems* easy to implement, and it is one of the "backbone stitches" of machine knitting. Also, also, another easy way to "tuck" stitch is to leave a needle in upper hold with needles on either side of it in work. When the carriage passes over the needle it will lay yarn over the needle in hold. When the needle is then placed back into work on a subsequent row, it will "knit off" the yarn laid over it as if it were a very tight tuck stitch. Some machine brands call these "pull-up" stitches because they have a slightly different look to them, but they are essentially tuck stitches done very tightly.
Really cool work. Thanks for sharing. Also: "I'm not an engineer..." I'm sorry to inform you but... you can definitely add engineer to your CV.
Thank you for this.
❤
Very good video. Can’t wait for more of your video and your design files!
So is there somewhere to get your cone winder?
I am SO EXCITED to see this come to life! A knitting machine has been something I've been interested in getting for years, but could never justify the price. I have a 3D printer and a love for tinkering, so this is just wonderful! I'm looking forward to if/when you release the finished product!
Nice project. It seems to me you could model in a small neodynium magnet into each needle row and another on each end plate. Put a small hall effect sensor in your carriage. Then you could count stiches and rows pretty easily with an arduino. Probably could use that information to work on some more automation.
Amazing, truly. But it's too much work just to make socks. The attentions, the tricks, the "whoops I forgot this", the manual operations. Very good to see, but too complicated to make some socks.
Get video thanks for sharing
Perhaps for consistency and less senseless destruction of your hair clips, think about making your own torsion springs. I’m thinking that the spring wire would be pretty thin and you might even be able to 3d print a simple jig,or just use a dowel of an appropriate diameter.
I have a couple of kids with sensory issues, so heels on socks and hard things in toes makes our day worse. For the longest time I have been interested in "CSM" but regular socks on those require a lot of interaction which I am totally not interested in, there is however a knitted sock called a "spiral sock" or "helical sock" pattern, which doesn't require a heel and will just conform to a foot, for a csm though it would require a ribber, and som sort of programming, because it moves stitches for every x rows, with all your research, can you think of a way to integrate that sort of programming into a 3d printed diy csm? Sorry for the long long message, super interesting project
Interesting challenge! I haven't come across any examples of domestic CSMs that have a mechanism to transfer stitches between the ribber and the main cylinder, aside from doing it by hand. One of the main issues I could foresee with automating that operation is that those machines don't usually have the equivalent of an "out of work" position like the flatbed machines do, so if you don't want a ribber needle to knit, in addition to moving the stitch, I think you have to physically remove the empty needle from its slot in the machine. I haven't actually used a CSM with a ribber (mine doesn't have one; I've just watched a lot of videos) so take all of that with a grain of salt, LOL. Some flatbed machines might have more automated ways to knit in that type of pattern but I don't think they can do it in the round so you'd have to add a seam, which probably defeats the purpose when it comes to sensory needs, unfortunately.
@ aside from having either to lengths of needles with 2 different latches to activate, or 2 swappable latches, or somehow being able to rotate the drum and ribber I don't think I have any clue how to achieve this, was wondering about the flatbed being able to do it, but I don't understand them at all, even less than the csm. I just know that it could find a market if someone was able to crack it, and as you say, it's an interesting challenge if someone has the skills for it
damn, this is so complicated it's at engineering knowledge level...so many details have to be adjusted and synchronised to make the whole thing work
I appreciate you showing when you made mistakes. Too many people act like they get everything correct the first time, it takes courage to show the whole process. I look forward to seeing more videos from you!
Lost me when the music started
What a groovy video. I love your passion, I love the project, I love that you outline the scope and the personal limitations of a self-driven project to give realistic expectations, I love the video!!! I'm very very excited to see what you do going forward. The artistry of the video alone is a sign of your creativity, artistic vision, and obvious talent.
What are some good resources on designing 3D objects with code? I’m a Python developer and I generally make models in F360, but I find designing in OpenSCAD really intimidating. As a side note, do you have a ko-fi or something? Would love to support this work!
I know that this could be a little of stretch but you could look into the needle that are made for industrial knitting machines made by groz beckert, they are much strurdier and reliable (also still in production) than the ones made for domestic machines. Plus they have an integrated System that allows the transfer of loops between two beds, and there are some variants that present a slide System that is much much more reliable than the traditional needle. Also for the gauge System you could research on the multi-gauge System of Stoll machines. Also if you need i have at my diaposal three different ShimaSeiki machines with their part catalogues if you need to take a look at the industrial machines for inspiration.
I'm amazed by your efforts and approach! I'm an industrial knitting machine programmer and technician and i've always loved the idea of a custom made knitting machine that fits my standards. I love your efforts and research!
As someone who only hand knits, I'm not familiar with how a typical knitting machine works, so bear with me. But how will your 3D printed knitting machine differ from all the other knitting machines already out there?
This is incredible. I am a weaver and hand knitter. A friend has been printing loom parts/accessories for my floor loom and i sent him the plans for the csm and now it is go time 😅 I am very excited to potentially not be a one sock wonder for the rest of my life 😂
Wow! Great work....
thumbnail is playing a dangerous game
That task is also perfect for a double bed machine….
Continuing to repeat in my head “we’re not going to start knitting our own socks and we don’t need any more hobbies…”
I care nothing about knitting, i understood none of the therms used, but it was still interesting to watch
Have you ever knitted "Mitten" socks (similar to Japanese Tabi) for sandals?
You're fucking amazing!!! I love this!!!!
I am drawn to knitting machines from a sustainability perspective and am LOVING your videos. When the files are out, I want to use my brothers 3d printer and see if I can make the machine from recycled bottle filament. Please keep up the great work!!
Cone winder: FYI dreaming robots sells one for about $250.
I’m curious about why it is desirable to have yarn on cones? Could a ball in a yarn bowl work? Thinking of making a csm as a Xmas present ( for me).
Great question! I can't speak for other models of sock machines, but mine is very very sensitive to even the slightest change in tension on the yarn, and once you get cranking at full speed it can be hard to notice those subtle catches and tugs in time to do anything about it. So having it on the cone helps because the yarn can unwind off the outside without catching on itself as it feeds off, kind of like how thread is wound for a sewing machine or serger, to feed smoothly at speed. I've tried cranking socks straight from a centre-pull ball and didn't get good results, but I haven't tried with a yarn bowl. I think working from the ball/cake is easier to deal with for me on the flat machine for now because I'm not using a yarn mast (yet) so I'm managing the yarn more by hand, but it's really common to see coned yarn used with flatbed machines, too.
this is SO cool! I've seen a few 3d printed circular knit machines, but I'd love to see your flatbed make it to public files if you're so inclined (not for free, mind you, that kind of work and testing deserves to be well compensated!!) I won't lie, seeing the coding made me panic for a second. Is it hard to learn coding in general? Not just for patterning?
Oh no, I didn't mean to panic anyone, haha! The code in this project is totally optional, although I firmly believe that knitting patterns are sneaky programming in disguise. ;) There's probably some new ideas and a lot of jargon to wrap one's head around, but it's totally learnable, especially if you have a project in mind to practice on! I started learning to code because patternmaking (for sewing as well as knitting) involves a lot of following the same steps over and over again, and doing a bunch of math, which are both things that computers tend to be pretty good at, and then I realized that drawing things with code is pretty fun. I'm planning to do a few more coding-focused videos in the future!
@@SparksCuriosity I'm excited to see them! It's been so cool to see more tech and crafting melding like this. (I love sewing and I've been sorely tempted to get a laser cutter from a few videos I've seen involving them for cutting out patterns super efficiently!)
Programming socks.
the way you weave multiple concepts together is super facilitative to learning!!!
I'm so happy to hear that, thank you!
I too have speed skater legs, small ankles, and then add enormous size 11 feet. I covet these socks. I do hand knit but that’s a lot of knitting on 2.25mm needles. I will not start another hobby. I will not start another hobby.
Seize the Means of Coding Sock Production!
Great video. Thank you for having shapely legs and pointing out how the sock industry handles shaping without adding stitches. I’m looking forward to trying socks on my flat bed machine and eventually knee socks.
I noticed in one of the screenshots that flew by in a previous video that you're using OpenSCAD for designing your parts - that's my favorite way of designing a part. It makes so much more sense than a traditional CAD program.
Hey all, just wanted to pop in to apologize if this is still playing with kinda meh auto-generated captions. I added custom captions before publishing but they don't seem to have synced yet, hoping it can be resolved soon!
Thank you for your video 🥰 it's amazing. Where do you have the marks? I can't find it to make it on my maschin
I'm so glad you enjoyed it! And great question: the mark placement can vary depending on how many needles are in your cylinder and what style of heel you usually usually knit, iirc I'm pretty sure I followed this guide www.deanandbean.com/marking-your-cylinders#:~:text=Where%20to%20Make%20the%20Marks%3F CSM love also has some details here: www.csmlove.com/blog/tag/cylinder+marking
@SparksCuriosity thxs so much 🥰
I really enjoy these videos 8-) I'm very happy to have learned the knotless knot. I've always done the same thing to avoid sewing in ends, but adding a knot on top. Realizing that there's no need is really nice.
Glad you like them!
The socks are so fricking cute, I'm jealous. I wanted to get some quality long socks/thigh highs from sockdreams over in the US, but I just dont have the money atm to make a bulk purchase, so I kinda have to settle for some cheap ones available on amazon. The ultimate goal for me to achieve would be making my own, but I lack time, money (for a 3d printer) and also the knowledge. That little rant aside, again, the socks are sooo adorable. Great video :3
Thank you! I'm so glad you enjoyed the video! And yeah, I also feel like it's SO hard to find good quality, well fitting socks on a budget.