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Would like to have learned more, but way to “nerd” if I may…Only those with the background of the references you make will get the most out of this video… maybe that’s your goal..?

THIS, this video clears up everything for me. Its been very confusing for me about the workflow and types of notes in zettel after watching +- 4 videos

It is an interesting point, but without an example of how these notes look like, holw you set up the monetization (they subscribe to you? They buy a theme? etc.) this video is, at most, "just interesting". Not "useful", though.

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Appreciate your video! It's been a great help on my journey. I'm diving into Zettelkasten to improve my note-taking, which can be messy at times. In fact, I'm thinking of using Zettelkasten to document this whole learning experience! With that in mind, I have a couple of questions. Based on this video, I created a "source note." I've also made similar notes while watching videos from Gurus :). (I thought I was making "literature notes" before). Now I have a strong urge to edit some of those notes, I'm guessing once I refine them, they can become "permanent notes". But, like any other learning experience, the next time I revisit this same video say after a couple of months, I'll likely have more to add because my understanding would have grown. So, my questions are: 1) Even if a previous "source note" is quite short, should I create a new one entirely if I have new insights to add? 2) Let's say I also made a "main note" after I thought I understood the topic. - Why shouldn't I add more to this note if I have something that enhances the content and is very relevant to the topic? PS: I ask this to explore a wider range of opinions, even though I know I will ultimately create my own Zettelkasten workflow that suits my preferences. As a software engineer myself, I strongly believe that keeping things digital gives us an advantage in terms of keeping our notes evolving.

In regards to ADHD, I have been hyperfocused on organization, planners and note taking for about a week. I would consider myself a technology driven person, constantly on youtube, using my computer for school, work, videos games. I have explored digital note taking apps in the recent past but I have never really got into it. I would eventually love to have a hybrid system like you have but prior to this I have been possibly the most disorganzied and chaotic person I know. I also am getting a analog planner that I am super excited for. I feel like I am going about this in a dramatic way that will result in me giving up on this. For now does this seem like a reasonable plan to start fixing my disorganzied ADHD controlled life? Field note/pocket note book for random ideas, thoughts and notes. A larger planner with monthly, weekly, daily/blank pages. I was going to utilize google calendar in addition to my planner, that leaves me with 3 new organization components that are all new to me.

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I’ve consumed a few of these Obsidian videos - supposedly the more raw “just use it” and “smart notes” type stuff. This smacks of just wiki software. Hell I installed MoinMoin or whatever like 15+ years ago and quickly moved away from that because it didn’t really scale, like all of these systems (notebooks, note taking apps, etc). I tried Notion and found it to be pretty much the same, maybe the Kanban stuff would be worth it in the long run for tasks. I’m convinced that there’s value somewhere in here, but between this stuff and spaced repetition you end up with that being the bulk of your work and not the shit you want your brain to noodle on and take deeper. I’m not totally unconvinced, but also laugh at most of the creators just shit-piling their Obsidian stuff with customized nonsense, just like the Notion crowd. Do they ever accomplish anything and show proof?

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I respect you for running a paper notebook, but I can't get past the convenience of just running voice to text in Google Keep. It takes seconds to get an idea down, rather than the several minutes of writing physical notes. There is then the convenience of just pulling up Google Keep next to Obsidian on my computer at the end of the day and pulling that info across with copy/paste then paraphrasing/editing to make it more concise (I know that it is blasphemy to copy/paste notes) Admittedly it is easy to get out of hand with the length of the notes doing this method, which isn't ideal for atomic notes, but I still think that the note taking process is over before I can get distracted by the other BS on my phone.

this has been so much useful and relevant to me than the eisenhower/covey paradigms which just stress me out

I discovered your channel a few days ago and it has been really valuable for me. I have been trying to restructure my vault based on the information you are providing. The logic behind tagging/linking wasn't clicking in my head, this makes more sense. All your videos so far are really resonating with me and my ADHD brain! Thank you.

Just discovered your channel and am loving your content. How do you connect your tasks with your to-do app? and what app do you use for managing your tasks? I have been trying to come up with a robust system to manage all the moving parts in life and im really trying to simplify the process so I dont get confused on where to look or add things.

This speaks to me on so many levels.. the inundation of information coming at us all the time, and the incessent desire to collect with both arms is consuming me.. on a daily basis.

I totally agree. Great job, Tony!

"Be brave enough to be bad at something new and you will excel beyond 80% of other people." One of the best quotes I've heard in a while. New subscriber.

Totally correct, on all points. Also was laughing when I saw one of my analog zettelkasten videos from my other account in your screen scroll. 😄

Since I carry my phone almost always I take or capture most notes using obsidian. However, I do it a bit differently in the way I input. I use the gboard handwriting feature and a cheap stylus. So all of my notes are handwritten (hot typed) which are instantly converted to digital text. This slows my thinking process down and I get the hand to paper brain link association for memory purposes. The downfall is that my personal writing is gone because it goes straight to digital and I don't get the benefit of rewriting notes. I do go back through and refine them. So while watching this video I have been taking notes on my phone. I split the screen with the video on top and obsidian on bottom and my gboard writing pad to physically write notes as I watch. It works great. I even hand wrote this comment! Side note: I started doing this because typing on a phone started to become painful in my hands and I mumble when I use voice to text so it converts poorly. Plus, I am to self conscious to take notes by voice in public. I do carry a paper notebook when I do not want to risk carrying my phone.

What's your substack called? I'd love to subscribe!

Is it an ADHD thing to want to collect things? I've got soooo many books unread, so many hobbies unfulfilled, so many notes captured... How do I make myself actually DO the thing not just COLLECT the thing?? 😂🤦‍♂

I'm working with Notion, and feel the same about youtube "gurus". Thanks

in digital note, the space is abundant. I get rid of redundant information by highlighting, listing-and-selection, summarizing, relinking, and renaming the file names. So many filtering points mentioned above stop me from diving unnecessarily deep into learning.

This raised some fascinating points. I have been trying to wrap my arms around Obsidian and Zettelkasten for several weeks and you have definitely inspired me to rethink my approach. I wonder though if others would disagree with some of your takes. Would love to see you debate or discuss these points against someone with differing views.

I love the idea of capturing fleeting ideas in the daily note and extracting them for review using Dataview. Thanks!

Thank you for the Insights!! Although I have to ask in the notion of sharing your notes to other people, Do you consider your personal zettelkasten as your own information storage and a place where you interpret/understand the information (the mechanism/back stage workers) while articles would be the result/shows? Or is it okay to show your zettelkasten to the public but make it so that your notes in the zettels are understood by everybody and not just yourself? (My zettels are only to be understood by me alone and you would see the most weirdest acronyms to make it short and easier to understand in my perspective)

I'm confused on how we would go about branching and continuing a line of though that involves another note. For example, how do give a continuation to a thought 1.1a, but the continuation itself is 3.2a out of insight, having the line 1.1a -> 3.2a1, if it ended there it is fine, but now from that I want to continue the thread with a new note this time, what would its number be? And another question, about changing the id, doesn't it 'break' every line of thought that we could previously trace by following the sequence?

Very insightful and helpful. Thanks.

Oh my god, finally some speak that loudly!

Do you have thoughts on those with diagnosed ADHD being medicated for it?

Oh my god, thanks man. I was trying to approach zettelkasten a few years and I was having the same issues with every video or article about that system. Finally I've got a clear understanding of the actual result and process

commenting for the algorithm. thanks a lot Tony!

Could you explain about how to make the same hidden dataveiw there 4:43. A dataview that could close and open?

Very informative and insightful video Tony. Subbed, Purposeful and meaningful notes rather than noting everything down. That sort of thing is exacerbated when you’re flitting around tools too. I’ve got an early Zettlekasten underway and enter only things of useful future reference into Roam.

I am trying to set up my Zettelkasten and although I was going to use Obsidian I think I'm going to go back to Trello and set one up using my smallest Rocketbook notebook. Rocketbooks have wipable pages you can use over and over again (you need Frixion pens is the only downside). You take a pic of the page and the app will automatically extract the title, any tags you've added, and forward it to one of a handful of other programs such as Google Drive, email, Trello, Evernote, and a few others. So in a way you can get the best of both worlds - physically writing out your thoughts while still using a digital system to be able to search and sort tags.

A part of the difficulty of giving an answer to, ‘What makes a note permanent?’, is that each person has a different set of criteria to determine whether they have enough knowledge to create a note which meets the desiderata of the ‘permanent note’, e.g., atomicity. If one is satisfied with rather a poorly articulated idea because one feels that it really expresses the extent of their understanding (or anyone’s), there is nothing to say that their calling it permanent isn’t warranted. I think for most people what this means is running up against the idea that their system (and in a deeper sense, their knowledge itself) won’t tell them whether their knowledge system-something external, something ’objective’, lol-can produce notes worthy of the label of permanency. In my own case, the vast majority of my notes are ‘process notes’. They’re discursive, messy, unfinished, contradictory, BUT, the system I use labels, to a specific extent, the relationship that these kind of notes-these process notes-have to one another. In this way, thinking is documented, enriched, built upon. ‘Permanent notes’ are just those that I have decided can ‘act as’ defeasible claims, and they are really very rarely made. Why? Because a lot of thinking, a lot of writing has to take place first. What makes them especially different is how I use them to think. No doubt their format, atomicity, brevity, etc, helps, but what makes them ‘permanent’ is the fact that they take on a different meaning in their use-they ‘act as’ assertions that I use to build upon, to attempt thinking further. They become temporary presuppositions (or carry them, inherently). So, no, I don’t think it’s just a matter of ‘if it’s linked it’s permanent’, because then there’s no metric of measuring the value of the information between any given note. Certainly one note is going to be more permanent-more important-than another, and if this is the case, they need to be more accessible, e.g., by being labelled as such. As the number of notes which pertain to a particular area grow, differentiation between the kinds of notes (which represent kinds of thinking process) become more and more necessary. This determining of note labelling then becomes an act of interpreting the types of thought one engages in; there is no single formula, but no doubt there are certain features which, having been identified, do not hinder the process of knowledge development using those notes. My belief is that Luhman was exceptionally good at knowing when he knew something in enough detail that it was worth writing a zettel on (probably because he’d written a f*** ton in discursive note style first on the topic), and also of course at writing an exceptionally condensed representation of the idea. My feeling is then that, actually, very few people do enough work to warrant writing even a single Zettel. Sure, friction is certainly an important idea, but I’m not sold on outsourcing this to constraints outside of my own will. Otherwise, I might end up believing too much in dependence on technology, ironically. Maybe physical notes are a good start, but then, maybe thinking about only one idea for a week is even better? Normative forces are real baby - we live in a world of information management coping mechanism development.

Who diagnosed you for ADHD? The way you act looks 99% different to all other ADHD people I ever meet.

I have to be honest with you. You just found a very confused (but articulated) person who wrote this post under fight or flight stress mode and hoped to find a quick solution for his/her current issues (preferably not working at all for his/her system or process of note taking). Basically, a child. I can see that you are smart and pragmatic, focused on end goal. Many of the TH-camrs are in love with developing the most complex systems which in real life stand no chance. Vicky Zhao is a very coherent TH-camr and she is pragmatic too. She combined (and mentioned that is not part of Zettelkasten) multiple things that helped her expand her knowledge, one of them is Idea Compass (4 questions to expand on something you thought about) which can be used or not. I guess is up to everyone to distill the best info. And is also their responsibility to make it theirs. If you want to make a public service, develop a basic Zettelkasten video and then add to it what worked for you. It would be of great help. All the best! P.S. Great channel! I subscribed.

Thank you for your sharing with us your pragmatic approach! I really appreciate it.

I agree, to store the book we have the book.

Tony Ramella video on Zotero 😬 not only from the perspective of how Tony Ramella uses Zotero? but what was the opportunity cost? Could Tony Ramella achieve same impact if not using Zotero? What is the Cost to Tony Ramella of NOT using Zotero? much appreciated 🙇‍♂

Very happy to have discovered your channel!

Great value! New subscriber here…

cant find the effort impact cheat sheet :(

great video, also a new #subsrciber on your channel

Brainfarts. They're mostly brainfarts.

Seriously underrated channel

Greatly helpful. Thank you.

Thank you for the vault template and introduction! Could you please also make a video guide for book note management with this template? It'll be really helpful🖤

👌12:25 The goal of Zettlekasten is to express knowledge (in your own words) and use it to publish. Zettlekwsten is NOT for collecting and organizing information

collector’s fallacy 👌