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This is correct, Apple Silicon takes Intel Macs to school on compute and video encoding. GPU wise it still has a long ways to go. Slowly but steadily Apple is making gains but an M3 Air with no fan is absolutely not going to beat a desktop class Vega 48 in graphics performance.

@ Finally an answer! Thank you. Would it be safe to say the M3 7

Would it be safe to say that the M3 Pro and M4 Pro models would out perform the Vega 48 ?

Good idea, will incorporate it in similar videos in the future. 👍

@ i just noticed you had 300 subs. keep up the good work!

100% agree, their silicon has been a huge gamble that’s paid dividends and the advancements of Windows on ARM most likely doesn’t happen if not for Apple making the leap. From a design perspective however for the box they were limited to given the hardware they had to pack into this thing, this was a huge risk that unfortunately didn’t pay off. It’s like the spiritual successor to the PowerMac G4 Cube which makes it so unfortunate that it had the same fate. In retrospect it feels like a statement piece that Apple could do something different in the post Jobs era.

I agree, these things are still plenty capable for gaming. Beyond that though, in use cases such as rendering video and cpu intensive benchmarks these things have aged appropriately. If I wasn’t into the whole film/youtube jazz I’d probably would still be rocking a 2600K haha

I don’t believe the higher spec models of this machine were bad, the base model however was atrocious.

Thanks! Also great suggestion, I’ll be sure to go through my videos and make chapters for each game tested.

This is the 12 Core. I made a mistake and misspoke. :/

That is what was in here. I made a typo and misspoke :/

rocket league

Yes!

Agree, the Apple Studio is in may ways the successor to this machine.

Thank you! Sometime in the near future I'll see if I can get around to getting a nicer card in there and see how things fare.

I don’t disagree with that, I just find it borderline insulting how Apple sold this thing and thought “yea that’s good”

@@eternaliam Same here, especially on the base model, which was just a weak offering. Also I think Apple going down the road of non-replaceable RAM and storage was a terrible call, although it doesn't seem to have hurt them financially. Not being able to expand the computer as needs change means spending lots more for hardware you don't need up front but may need later.

@@sfperalta Yea, it’s unfortunate but it’s what they’ve been working towards for a long time now. Apple wants people to buy the higher spec models from them rather than selling low spec models and have users upgrade it for a fraction of the price. The only machine they currently sell that allows users to upgrade components costs double of what an equal spec Mac Studio costs. It’s just their way of making it not feasible so you either upgrade to a new machine every few years or just buy a high spec one upfront.

With a 750Ti? No you won’t even come close.

Appreciate it, thanks for watching!

Well I don’t think it’s necessarily a good comparison to compare an entry level M3 to a top end i9 MBP. I also can’t recommend the Intel Macs given they’re almost 5 years old and how thermally inefficient they are. You’ll hit thermal throttling well before you can utilize the full potential of whatever GPU you’re thinking of connecting to it.

@@eternaliam any alternatives to eGPUs for M series macs that come to mind? Other than cloud rendering. I mean, i just cant afford atm a 32gt M3, not even the 16gt, just got this one because it was on special. But yea +200e for the extra ram is pretty lame 😫 If you were to choose between 8gt brand new M3 or an i9 32gt with 3D rendering in mind, which would be a better pick?

and good point about the heating, it is true, intel macs do heat up quite a bit especially during rendering 🤔

@@alediazofficial2562 If your renders are taxing enough to simply not complete on the M3 due to running out of RAM, I still couldn’t justify downgrading to an Intel machine. Simply put, if they’re possible to do on the Apple Silicon machine, keep the M3. If not, find a temporary solution and replace your M3 with a higher spec Apple Silicon Mac later on. (Cloud rendering) New M4s with 16GB of RAM at the base model are expected at the end of the month, and trading in an Apple Silicon model will yield a higher trade in value than whatever used Intel Mac you find. I can’t in good conscience recommend the Intel MacBook simply because it’s just a straight up inferior machine, and you’ll likely end up having to sell it anyways once A: Apple releases new OS versions for ARM only, or B: Thermal throttling becomes too big of an issue. It’s not an ideal answer, I know. But it seems the workload you have exceeds the capabilities of the machine you bought.

@@eternaliam Hey I appreciate the response and indeed useful insight. I had ignored the heating issues, I had only previously owned a mid 2011 iMac and late 2013 macbook air, these heated up quite a bit, I assumed later iterations would fix this. Guess they kinda did now with M series. I was also considering of just to keep the 2024 m3 macbook air till I save an extra 800€, sell or trade in and get a 16gt one. Thanks again for the reply and the videos!

Don’t doubt it runs better, these FirePros even on the high end of what was offered simply haven’t aged well at all. They’re still capable, but not of much. I’ll revisit this machine down the line with an eGPU and see if there’s any other options to squeeze some performance out of this machine, as I said I think this is still a very good machine if you look past the GPUs.

Nice! I’m planning on getting a second one. I have a 12 core, 64 GB, D700 and 1TB SSD one. I was thinking of downgrading to the 10 core, but given the very little difference in clock speed between the two I don’t know if it’s worth it. Also I’d like to upgrade to NVME. I heard I can get double read and write speeds compared to what I get now. How is your 10 core holding up?

@@MFEeee My trashcan's ten-core CPU runs extremely well. :) I wouldn't say there's a 'very little difference in clock speed' between the ten and twelve-core CPUs - 300 MHz (3 GHz vs 2.7 GHz) is small but significant. My trashcan still has the base D300 GPUs, which I'm not interested in upgrading. I'd just be replacing a very specialised workstation GPU for another, and I've heard that the D500s and D700s tend to fail. Besides, my eGPU is a great upgrade.

That’s something I considered doing in a part 2 later on. When making this video i presumed eGPUs would have very limited to no support at all on these machines but found out soon after uploading these things can handle a pretty decent eGPU. Thought of making some sort of supercharging type video or something like “Building the Ultimate Trash Can Mac Pro” but will have to do some research as to what the absolute best thing this machine can handle. Definitely will be something I make though.

@@eternaliam I read somewhere that the 5000 series gpu is the top gpu the trash can can handle, but recently heard there are some online that are taking advantage of the AMD 6000 series. I think I gotta look into it more, especially since I’m a huge fan of Apple. It just seems like Apple has been passed over in terms of innovation. Unheard of just 10 years ago it seems. But nice video my friend. Keep it up

Glad I could be of help, the battery life of the M3 is absurd compared to the i9, I could go through almost a week of class forgetting about charging it before I’m notified the battery is low, and even when doing things such as editing 4K video, not only does it stay cool, but the battery doesn’t drain that much faster than if it wasn’t. You’ll love it.

Sandy Bridge should be renamed to Fine Wine with how well it’s aged

I used 20% of the brain

So I’ve heard, I’ll be sure to incorporate it in future tests 👍

That’s how I see things as well, the only reason I used the 3080 was because it was the only thing I had that was beefy enough to let the CPU stretch its legs 😅 I would’ve thrown 32 in as I had 4x8GB sticks, however the board used only had 2 slots so 16GB was the most I could throw in there, while I could’ve bought a 2x16 kit, that alone would’ve been more expensive than the CPU itself, so it wasn’t necessarily worth it.

The dead end was when I put the SSD in, no boot, no output, no way to install macOS. The thing is just junk lol

Yea it was a bit annoying, not only because of how locked down these things are, but the drive in this thing was the most pathetic thing I’ve ever used.

It’s even harder if you are trying to install Apple’s MacOS On Any Non Apple Product.

@@williammega6994 understandably so

Really? I have had no issues installing Mint on an iMac or Solus on a Mac Pro.

@@MrShalvayez I'm not sure what was up with this one, anytime I attempted to load a bootloader (whether the native one or a different one like OpenCore) the machine simply wouldn't boot to it. Either never got past a black screen or just went straight into macOS.

True, the setup is cobbled together isn’t the most pretty, but if there was a better way I’d have done it. The space is so limited that the cable to plug the GPU in had to be a little bent to get it to fit as the antenna was directly behind it. Not to mention the thermals were horrendous because of not having the case closed to properly circulate it. I do have a razer core, and I’ve always been curious how much better a low end thunderbolt laptop would do with a GPU plugged in. Something to try in the future 🤷‍♂️

correct! 👍

I can say without a doubt the biggest improvement from the i9 to the M3 was the temperatures. I still to this day don't recall the fans ever having to kick into high gear like they did on the i9 when doing any task. The machine just isn't thermally efficient. You'll love swapping to the M4 when it comes out. I'm in the same boat as you, I'm not one to replace stuff either, (I'm still using a bent iPhone 12 with the screen shattered from dropping a weight on it haha) but the M3 simply was too good to pass up and when doing rendering and working with cinema camera footage, it's a beast.

Thank you!

Solid combo, this thing originally came with a 4600, however my novice pc builder brain got a 4770K and a board for 3rd gen a few months prior. Tossed the 4770K in the moment I got this machine and it carried me for years.

@@eternaliam u mean a 4670 or 4690?

@@finnbianga4189 4460* my bad typo.

M3 would do you fine. It all comes down to what you use it for so mileage may vary.