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I think you’re bang on it. The bearings had dropped down from the top. Good call. 👍 I can also see why you’d put the square plate on the top of the internal plate and you’re right that the parts image isn’t much help. I was lucky in that i slid the tube “down and out”. If it wasn’t for me doing it personally, I would assumed it sat on top too. Getting small parts for these is very hard and I can imagine this is how they make a lot of money. The joystick is also so very expensive. :(

@@gastongate6097 Funny you should ask that. I was thinking about how that box works and I think it is simply a set of open circuits which are closed (by switches on the seat and joystick. I think it works by offering 12V +ve to a switch, then goes to the white led box. If it sees 12v on seat & joystick then it just acts as a relay and allows start. So, to bypass it, I’m guessing you could permanently wire +12v direct to the led box. Having said that, I don’t see why the engine would stop on its own. Once the anti-start has done its job, I don’t think it can stop the engine. So if yours starts, it doesn’t sound like an anti-start (little box issue). To back up that theory, once it has started, you can move the joystick and get off the seat. Both are requirements to start it …but not to keep it running. Something else is wrong I think.

@deetee6621 well I spoke with a chap who said that box should not engage the starter motor so as mine cranks it should not be that box, mine will crank and start even if you have the forward or reverse gear engaged,it will start with the emergency stop Button pushed in or out but the dam thing will just not tick over 🤷

@@mickymac6571 I think the review by LR Time is very thorough, which brings it down to oil flow limitations I think. It has been a while since I watched it. Mine was rebuilt in 2020 and has been fine since.

@@mickymac6571 Oh…soz. 112,000 miles I think.

@@deetee6621 thanks, I was thinking high mileage ones might be ok because any problems would have shown by now but as they can go at any mileage I'm not sure now, if it is down to poor oil supply alone wouldn't they all size around the same milage.? I've read that snapped cranks is down to poor hardening of the crank and big end bearing failure is due to a spun bearing ( they don't lock in). Seems to be the luck of the draw.

@@mickymac6571 I’ve heard the “don’t lock in before” but equally I’ve heard that it isn’t necessary to. Personally, I don’t like the 3 or 4 seconds of initial rotation during cranking. When there is no oil ‘up top’s. That oil delivery latency can’t help much, but then, I am not any kind of specialist. The good news is: Prices have come down a lot if you are in the market for one with the 3.0D V6. 👍

They do slide out but mine was ridiculously locked in. The digger arm itself couldn’t pull it out and I was being very aggressive with it yanking on a chain. Another machine nearby might have been handy. I had a real battle with mine but ultimately used a lever in any hole I could shove it to get it to move just a fraction. They definitely get locked in place. I’ve that fraction was obtained, it then started to move easier. When I did get it out, there wasn’t anything special stopping it apart from surface rust. Not a pleasant experience tbh. Rest assured that when I put mine back together, I greased the contact areas inside.

Fair comment. I wouldn’t recommend it anyone else does it. The block was fine. It was rebuilt and has been fine since.

@@deetee6621 how much did that cost?

@@dx-xb£6k. QP Online.

@@deetee6621 ah sod it, im buying a shogun or something else :(. love it but cant live with a time bomb

Hey poppet, you can think whatever you like and I wish you luck with it, but humans existed, functioned and will continue to do so without any religions or beliefs. I am so lucky to have grown up in a country where we have choice. I choose to be completely atheist, almost to the point of believing in absenteeism. I’ll let you work out that little conundrum. You might as well be quoting lines from Lord of the Rings or The Iliad which are much better books imo. Certainly more relevant to life in 2024.

@@deetee6621 6)1) You talk about the virtues of living in democracy and freedom . I agree with you 100%. The highest and first goal for which the religion of Islam calls for is for every human being to live in complete freedom, especially choosing his faith. For this reason Allah sent his religion and his prophets for that :Prophets Abraham,Joseph,Moses, Jesus,and Muhammad. I can explain if you want . * How can you mock the religion of Islam based on malicious rumours, when it has become clear that you have not read the Qur’an and do not have correct information about Islam? 6)2)The Qur’an is the main source of our morals ،Quran 49:6 "O you who have believed, if there comes to you a disobedient one with information, investigate, lest you harm a people out of ignorance and become, over what you have done, regretful." Quran 6:108 "And do not insult those they invoke other than Allah, lest they insult Allah in enmity without knowledge. Thus We have made pleasing to every community their deeds. Then to their Lord is their return, and He will inform them about what they used to do." May Allah grant success to those who fair,serious and search for the truth and want guidance ، Their main goal is to eliminate the Qur’an, and they will not be able to because Allah preserved it Himself ، Read Qur’an chapter 108 : This story is repeated throughout history. Ask any sheikh in the mosque about the story of the king, the boy, the magician, the monk, and the king who He made himself a God to be worshiped, The people said, “We believe in Allah , Lord of the boy,” so the king burned them. : 19,22 {"But they who disbelieve are in [persistent] denial," 19, "While Allah encompasses them from behind."20 "But this is an honored Qur'an"21 "[Inscribed] in a Preserved Slate."22} (at Allah and in our hearts,) 6)3) Quran 10 : 99, 100 "And had your Lord willed, those on earth would have believed - all of them entirely. Then, [O Muhammad], would you compel the people in order that they become believers?" Quran 18 : 29 "And say, The truth is from your Lord, so whoever wills - let him believe; and whoever wills - let him disbelieve. Indeed, We have prepared for the wrongdoers a fire whose walls will surround them. And if they call for relief, they will be relieved with water like murky oil, which scalds [their] faces. Wretched is the drink, and evil is the resting place." * We respect and coexist with those with other beliefs, even if they are false, as long as they do not fight us because of our religion or leave our homes or countries, and vice versa. Read Qur’an 60:8,9. 6)4) As a believer in Allah , I must correct your false information and claims about Islam and show the greatness of Allah and the Qur’an. You believe or not, this is up to you. We do not insists or force anyone to embrace Islam. Next : why Allah gives freedom to Man, How the cosmic ( universe) is very small where the first unseen Heavent is larger than it, then where is the 7 unseen Heavens, Paradise and Hells fire? Where is Allâh and how is he? He is unlimited. That is why we say Allah is the greatest. You never see like that in any other religion. Allah is the greatest.

@@deetee6621 7)Why or how Allah gives freedom to the Man : * At the beginning : Allah offered to all creatures that they should worship Him through either Allah controlling them Himself (by compulsion) without holding them accountablean , or they do what He wants (by willingly) and then holding them accountablean and admits them to either Paradise or Hell. All creatures choice (by compulsion) by forced , except Man choice (by willingly), This is a covenant between Allah and man. Allah does not break His covenant. So Man wronged himself. Qur’an 33:72 "Indeed, we offered the Trust to the heavens and the earth and the mountains, and they declined to bear it and feared it ; but man [undertook to] bear it. Indeed, he was unjust and ignorant." Quran 3:83 "So is it other than the religion of Allah they desire, while to Him have submitted [all] those within the heavens and earth, willingly or by compulsion, and to Him they will be returned?" Quran 78 :27 "Indeed, they were not expecting an account" So Allah sent his religion and his prophets to make people have complete freedom, especially choosing his faith, I can explain what every prophet did, if you want ,

@@deetee6621 (8) YOU said:( much larger things outside of the realm of ➡️human religions,⬅️).But ➡️not Allah religion⬅️ *I answer : which you cannot find like that at any other religion : Astronomy scientists said there's 2 billion cosmic like the one that you see in video, Any way, Put all 2 billion cosmic in one ball , Allah named it "the Lower Heavent" The hadith of the Prophet Muhammad said, “The thickness of the sphere (of the lower Heavent Ho) = 500 years.” I think he meant 500 light years ، Prophet Muhammad said that Allah said " If the Lower Heavent Ho " equal at Allah Mosquito wing ،He don't give non-believer one drink of water " The volume ( size) ratio of ( Ho) in H1 ( the first unseen Heavent) as a finger ring 💍 in the desert , Thus, H1 in H2 and So on ,,,,,,,H6 in H7 , Volume ratio of H7 in the Throne as a finger ring 💍in the desert. Paradise as rectangular, it's width = H7 and its length =Throne's Diameter, Hell like that, Quran 3 :33 {And hasten to forgive from your Lord, and in Paradise whose width is the ➡️heavens ⬅️and the earth prepared for the righteous.} in Quran 57:21{,,, (➡️heavent ⬅️instead of heavens) and earth,,} heavent means H7 and all Heavents inside it. Allah swt says:Qur’an 39:67 {They have not appraised Allah with true appraisal, while the earth entirely will be [within] His grip on the Day of Resurrection, and the heavens will be folded in His right hand. Exalted is He and high above what they associate with Him.} Allah said ➡️His right hand. ⬅️ So we can understand but the truth is Allah nothings like him. He is Integral one doesn't consist of atoms or cells,,,, etc, He doesn't sleep, eat,,,, etc* Quran 112 "Say, He is Allah, [who is] One"1, "Allah, the Eternal Refuge."2, "He neither begets nor is born,"3, "Nor is there to Him any equivalent."4. Allah : ➡️There is nothing like unto Him, and He is the Hearing, the Seeing⬅️." Quran 42:11, 12 "[He is] Creator of the heavens and the earth. He has made for you from yourselves, mates, and among the cattle, mates; He multiplies you thereby. ➡️There is nothing like unto Him, and He is the Hearing, the Seeing⬅️."11"To Him belong the keys of the heavens and the earth. He extends provision for whom He wills and restricts [it]. Indeed He is, of all things, Knowing."12 * Allah unlimited. He created space and time, So He doesn't inside them Otherwise He will be limited. So we always say " Allah is the greatest" 🙌🌿🌍

@@cosmicislamicmiracles7803 Have you considered the process of confirmation bias. If you want to grow as an individual, you might want to think about how you might be limiting yourself by only reading one set of writings from yet another book claiming to know it all. Have you considered any of the other 3000 gods that have existed over time? You can’t learn much that will improve human existence tbh, but they can be quite interesting on the study of how simple humans can be. Maybe even consider the notion of absenteeism which is something I am trying to grasp. I’m afraid I don’t see any real tangible useful information in the modern religions as it is so vague and ambiguous that anyone can interpret anything in them, which is not going to improve our healthcare, education. I really don’t think I can help you as you are massively indoctrinated into a mindset that I don’t subscribe to. Still, always look on the bright side of life. (Readers will understand why I said that). :)

@@cosmicislamicmiracles7803 I have a personal question for you. Do you ever stop, read what you’re writing and think “Crikey, I sound like an absolute nutter. Obsessed with my religion and like the kind of person I’d never let my kids near”. Do those thoughts ever cross your mind? Gotta be honest, you sound like someone in a mental asylum tbh. It’s very weird. I mean, do you have a day job too? A life? Y’know, making stuff and doing stuff ….or is ranting on about ‘your’ religion all you do.

Personally, I wouldn’t consider accessing by the side panels. It will take you longer to find the correct sized sockets, than it will to undo them and tilt it back. In total, it is 8 bolts. 2 Allen key bolts on the floor plate, 2 big 22mm (I’m guessing that size due to my bad memory) and then take off two on the tracking lever bolts (you only need to loosen 2 and take 2 out) and the cab tilting is safe/easy/slow.

Oh. And take the bolts out of the pedals. I forget them. I’d still suggest you tilt it so you can have a good rummage.

When you lift the cab, there is a little clip on one of the air struts. Those clips stop It from falling back down. You have to squeeze the clip a little to release it…or it won’t go down. Not sure if I covered it in the video.

Your a star thank you very much

Lo siento. No hablo español. Desearía haber. Algún día, si me mudo a la preciosa Murcia, aprenderé.

Missed this. Sorry. Have you checked the fuses. To be sure, try shorting (bypassing) the fuses. They’re quite unreliable. The other thing is that I would expect the lights to change when seat sensor is triggered, or the control lever is centered. With these machines, water ingress into the control module is a real problem :/

I'm having a similar issue with mine. I have replaced the carb, adjusted it, fixed all vacuum leaks that I can find. I can't solve the bogging and lumpy idle problem. It even backfires through carb. I'm about to replace the cdi to see if it fixes anything. As far as I can tell, it's the factory one from 88

Body came off. Engine out. Engine stripped. New crank, seals, lined bored, bearings etc. 3 years ago. All done.

@@deetee6621hi I have the same problem would you mind sharing how much it cost? Thanks

Sure. £6k in early 2020. Speak to Marco at QP Online in the UK. I would guess the cost is now about £7k all in. Also, join the Disco crank failure group on Facebook. Plenty of info there.

They’re complicated cars tbh and much of them work as you might expect them to. But the crank issue is a tough pill to swallow. I don’t think every make and model has regular discussions about cranks snapping though as much as these do. This is the most concerning issue that makes the Lion engine a serious concern/consideration. JLR will never admit to it being a design and safety issue though as they are really only interested in the premium customers who pay top $ for new vehicles. Such is life. :/

The weight of the vehicle has a lot to do why these are more prone than other vehicles that use the same engine.

Have a watch on Land Rover Time on TH-cam. He’s a German with a couple of discos and he’s rebuilt a few 2.7 and 3.0 tdv6 engines because of the crank! He’s a very clever man and a superb engineer.. he puts it down to the wrong oil Land Rover recommended from new.. and the fact the crank webs are very small to make the engine compact. I’m an Ex Land Rover mechanic although I got out the game before these were around but my father has a disco 4 and I make sure it gets serviced, left to warm up and driven slowly and left to idle when parked up.. this has proven to be fine for us! I tried to tell my neighbour this last month in his 2013 Range Rover but he wouldn’t listen. It’s now off having a new crank!!!

@@PillSharks Completely agree with using Kristian and Vera for their intelligent LR Time info. Smart, lovely people. 👍

@@PillSharks You are right about the running procedure, I did this with mine every time and it was fine, I have parted company with it now not because it was unreliable but because you always had it in your mind you were driving a loaded gun, shame as they are a fantastic all rounder .

It was rebuilt in early 2020 by QP Online. Check out the “Discovery 4 crank failing” page on Facebook for more info.

@@deetee6621 oh I'm Fully aware of the tdv 6

​@@deetee6621no way

Bad habit of mine. Soz. If you need technical help, try the Bayou or KLF forums in FB.

No worries. If you have any problems that I might be able to help with, give me a shout. 👍

Thanks that’s really appreciated 👍

That’s bloody brilliant tbh. When I wanted to find out how to do it, there was one video in Russian I think, which is exactly why I shared what I had discovered. Once you do it, it suddenly becomes a two minute thing and my whole video becomes redundant. If you don’t get at least some basic knowledge/ confidence building , you’re in the realms of “this might hurt”. And none of us, need that. :)

@deetee6621 my jcb threw a track today and guess what I ended up watching another of you videos. Thanks again.

The complete rebuild was performed by Marko at QP Online.

@deetee6621 how long ago was it done and how is it holding up pa? 😎

@@dannyfearn6424 I can barely remember what day it is but I think it snapped in about Sept ‘19. It was collected from me (in about January ‘20) by QP and returned about two weeks later, with photos and a video of the busted bits and the line boring. I’ve changed the oil once since then but I’ve only done about 6,000 miles. There’s a dedicated forum in Facebook for the crank snapping issue and there’s lots of knowledge in the “Discovery 3/4 Technical” forum run by Russ Goff. Russ has done a tonne more miles in his QP rebuilt engine. As you can tell, I’m a great fan of QP Online because of the service I got from Marko. LR Time on here cover the crank issue extensively, run by Vera/Kristian. (I think this spelling is correct).

@deetee6621 thanks for the information 🙏 if you don't mind me asking what was the total cost from QP Online. I know it was a couple of years ago 🙏

How much was the repair mate?

Sorry. I missed your question. I had a leak right at the bottom next to the pump so I effectively lost all of the fluid at least a couple of times….and therefore had to refill it anyway. I did replace all the filters when the slew ring was replaced. The hydraulic fluid filter just pulls out of the top, where you’d fill it up. Very easy to do.

It’s always the dam carb with these things haha otherwise they run forever

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Valves adjusted? New plug? Oem carb? Carb cleaned? Baffle dirty?

i hae a kef and it keeps backfiring and shooting exuast out the inlet keeps rying yo run backwards, i checked my camshaft and it was worn to hell, try to check yours.

Sorry I missed your comment. Good to know Peter. I do have one now but tbh most of what I needed to know i have fathomed out by trial and error.

Do you mean the slotted “spring roll pins”? Those are hammered in and hammered out. They don’t have threads, so no star or hex bit. Search for “spring roll pin”.

Jet kit sorted out one of mine. Replacement carbs from eBay/Amazon were a waste of time. :/

It's usually the cdi box that causes them not to get spark. I got the kit that has the cdi box, ignition coil and spark plug for less than $20 total.

£1000 for the slew ring. “Plant parts” in Ipswich. 18 lower bolts. That go up from undercarriage to slew ring. 15 + 1 upper bolts. That go down from cab to slew ring. The threads in the slew were shot as were the threads on the cab > slew bolts. There are no threads on the cab or undercarriage. Took about 2/3 hours to get it out “safely” and about 3 to get it back in, due to the alignment being a little tricky. Everything had a good clean and it was filthy.

Oh yeah, forgot to say. The lower (undercarriage to slew) 18 bolts have a washer on them. The washers were £6 each for some unknown reason. I reused the old washers because £6 is silly. They’re not crush washers, just hardened.

For repair your back hoe Excavator, slewing : I advise you to clean the hole by petrol then put (coat the bolts with lock tight liquid then tight the bolts with Torque wrinsh , if you give me the measurements D outer of bolts thread, I can help you with giving the allaw torque in Nm😂, As 12mm*pitch 1,75 or 1,5 14mm*pitch 2 or 1,5,,, etc Thanks

1] I'm glad you don't belong to any religion, otherwise they brainwashed you, Muhammad is illiterate and does not know how to read or write، Quran 29:48 {"And you did not recite before it any scripture, nor did you inscribe one with your right hand. Otherwise the falsifiers would have had [cause for] doubt."} 1) Since Allah is one God, therefore his religion must be one. He called it the religion of Islam ، It means, “Worship Allah , you have no god other than Him.”, every Prophet called on his people with it. Allah gave every prophet a miracle so that people would believe him. Since the Prophet Muhammad is the last prophet and messenger, So Allah made the Qur’an itself a miracle that tells us what will happen, and what man will discover until the Day of Resurrection, the Qur’an contains all the heavenly books The precedent before it was distorted. So Allah Himself preserves the Qur’an.

The problem is not who wins, me or you. I consider you the winner, but the problem is that the maximum life for us in this world is 100 years, while life in the afterlife is either eternal paradise or eternal hell (with no end). You consider that there is no life or reckoning after death, are you 100% sure? Why do you put all your eggs in one basket? Why don't you make it 50% temporarily and be patient to learn something about the Qur'an? Because Satan misleads you and does not want you to believe in God, so he makes you rush to respond with nonsense to make me disgusted and turn away from you .,, I believed in God and the Qur’an through science, and I am 100% certain. I find in the Qur’an the answer to any question, whatever it may be, especially in cosmology. If God exists, He will hold us accountable. I will enter Paradise by His grace, but you will enter Hell by His justice. If God does not exist, I will be like you. I speak with evidence, proofs, names, specific dates, and a confirmed reference, while you do not do that. You take films as a reference, also based on the Pharaohs , the Greek,,, etc., without giving evidence with names, dates, and a real reference. I ask you, do you believe in morality? Which do you prefer: honesty or lying? If I lie, especially about religion, then God will put me in Hell. The hadith of the Prophet Muhammad said, “The believer does not lie. Lying leads to immorality and then to Hell, while honesty leads to Paradise.,, Thanks brother Glory be to Allah Almighty, Lord of the world,

You only get a spark every 3 seconds? Could be a pickup issue, possibly the stator but not as likely. Then there’s the CDi which takes the feed from the pickup and sets up the timing, which could be failing, then the coil, coil lead or spark plug. If you can, always use “known” good parts from a working bike to help fault find.