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Not that im against it, but increasing efficiency will lead to quicker uptimes, new build orders, new meta and EGAALOS HUUVERING THE EKONOMY AT MINUTE 12

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Bumping this topic for the devs.

Radius reduction upon age-up! New ages means more vills, usually. So 10% reduction each advance in age should work fine

You can have different collision sizes for different unit interactions!! Do 20% reduction for villager-villager collisions, and the rest remains utterly unchanged

It would be awesome if there were different % for "traveling" vs "working" - so that villagers don't stack up on the same spot when mining (looks wrong) but have no problems navigating around obstacles/other units.

extra salty match

where da rest o da game

just a short question, and i might embarrass myself with this idea since i'm fairly new to the topic. but why are we even talking about "collision size"? when villagers don't continue moving after being blocked due to collisions, that isn't a collision size issue. it's merely a pathing issue, and a "memory" issue (not RAM, but villager memory of where they were tasked to go). meanwhile, the collisions on camps could be fixed by just making them "react": so when someone bumps into another, does the other then usually just stay there? talking about realism, the other person should consider moving a little bit as well. of course, when 5 people would have to move to fix this issue, this would mabybe even create bigger pathing problems and deadlocks, but implemented right, this would fix ANY kind of collision problems, and wouldn't introduce many more other problems. and this would also mean that villagers could NOT easier escape when attacked by MAA for example, as their collision size wouldn't change, and the enemy forces wouldn't "react" to them getting closer or colliding with them. also, what i can see from the clip at 2:15, this isn't a collision problem either. the problem seems to be that after a collision, the villager reevaluates their path and then moves accordingly, not taking ANY other villagers in their close proximity into account, besides the one that they've just collided with. they seem to try and "not hit the same guy again", however meaning that both villagers then take VERY different paths than optimal. from my understanding just from this video, the villagers seem to not have a "smooth line" to arrive at their final destination. when you send them around a corner, they're likely to have like 3-4 straight lines and then just move to specific target points directly. those multiple target points that they have when you send them around a corner are calculated during pathing, and keeping that number low makes it easy and fast to process, even when the amount of units is huge. and that's the problem already! if that number was bigger, and the villagers would have 30-40 of those points where they'd move in a straight line, they would move around each other much smoother. however, this would increase load, most possibly on the servers and on the clients respectively. and that is what the devs don't seem to want to do. and maybe they have good reasons for that as well. so sure, making the collision boxes smaller decreases this problem as well, but it's a cheap fix which won't fix all the issues either. increasing the number of target points in a path however would mean that the villagers would need to "think" more to get to their destination, and this would increase load. in that case it would be important to have efficient algorithms, which are smart enough to differentiate between a huge amount of villagers in a small space, where they collide often (and where they'd need that additional destination points, and so CPU load), and other parts, where not so many villagers pile up, and so the amount of those points can be kept fairly low. and from what i can judge, such a thing is not in place right here. be free to correct me here, but i suppose we could enhance the pathfinding AI in that way, and possibly even lower the CPU load in many cases as well through good optimizations.

Reducing collision size may change the dynamics of vil fight in dark age. Maybe as we age up to castle age we can have reduced collision size as it will help with boom.

Am I crazy here? I feel like collisions were never an issue several years ago (AoK, AoC, HD, and first few years of DE). I took a break from AOE for a couple years and came back about a year ago to find the collisions VERY noticeable. Did the devs change something to make them worse? I feel like we're proposing solutions to a problem that never originally existed.

I do not know who Viper is but I am a big fan of LimitedViper

Do I just have my rosy tinted glasses on, or was userpatch just... good? Maybe they need to hire Scripter haha

Just increase the base attack speed of man at arms and maybe +1 base attack, they should run these tests and let us experiment it. If get to overpower, just reset in the next update patch, keep thinking in something else and life goes on!

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I heard "a react to the erect to the erection." at the end there. PG18

I've clicked into a viper stream the last 3 days in a row, and all 3 days at every moment I've clicked in, he's having an all out villager war.

1:02:10 HOW does that monk just take 5 Cannonballs to the face and keep walking?

MBL and the outpost rush .. never thought I'll live to see the day Viper gets Outpost rushed.. he usually does it when the game is over and the opponent can't comeback. Man what a game..

you really threw that one.

‘Obuch or nothing’ is title instead of ‘smoothest boom of all time’???

So satisfying the "where's somero"? 🫡 haha The Viper the Terminator

Very good game

It reminds me of that arena game with outpost rush

I find it a bit weird that he pressured you at the beginning of the game and then it feels like you came back with those Castle units, however I'm curious what was he doing during that time when you were just roaming around and picking the relics.

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I love RF games but you just don't get games like this

they aren't

Mbl is german?

Kylar the GOAT

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It took me till 35:00 when I realised I've already watched this live. 11

It looks like it's sucking on an egg.

finally a viper RF game where he doesn't get housed all the time

Tarkans are OG OP

Tarkan? Never heard of it

Huns + Poles seems kind of silly. There is gonna be a never ending stream of Winged Hussars.

Totally. I remember when i was playing more seriously, like 10 years ago, back in HD... a game i got 2vs1 and my cav archers were struggling against an arbalest skirm Convo protected by a castle in a bottleneck. The trebs couldn't put it down.... I did 20 tarkans (not even elite, just 2nd armor) and in one minute the two enemy armoes got soooo wiped out. They tried to react with albs but it was too late. I was surprised myself. One of the guys resigned instantly.... Tarkans are insanely underrated.

ye baby

you can build a palisade beside the mill to get another farm spot

keep the rage forest going I need it

Amazing content 🖤

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Wish one day viper got defeated and still post the video 😎

Welcome back nili!

Donde esta somero

24:40 play more 4v4 rf ı just love that map

Seems like more of these games lately end up with 1-2 players not just "dead" but fully defeated. Is it because of the tournament people are more 'try hard'? Not that I don't enjoy watching it, just that it seems to be way more common of late to spend the time to completely wipe someone out rather than redirect on the next.

Crazy how Viper is levitating on stream with his chair in the back

"play 1v1" is the trigger word to active viper's low tier god moment