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Monstermädchen Koishi
เข้าร่วมเมื่อ 11 เม.ย. 2014
The Most Unhinged Way To Beat Zanmu (Touhou 19 Lunatic)
Video of another clear I did, hopefully it better illustrates my gameplan compared to my previous one. My strategy was to force the game to scale immensely by having Zanmu detonate Orin's spirits, then obliterating every boss that spawns with spirit explosion chains resulting in a positive feedback loop of sending ceilings against each other. I call it unhinged but this strat might lead to a win-condition Orin has against Zanmu in PvP, not against AI Zanmu though. It's way too inconsistent against the AI because they can just choose not to send stuff over with inhuman dodging and Zanmu's AI just doesn't spam their skill enough as a result.
Orin in this game is a glass cannon. Orin really sucks defensively: her shot does too little damage, her scope barely protects her, and her skill has a bug that sometimes causes her to take damage when she uses it while above half the screen. However, Orin's counter-offence with her scope and skill, and her ability to start huge chains to force the game to scale quickly is second-to-none, and combined with how suffocating her EX is, her bad defense simply stops mattering once her offense ramps up and the opponent can't really stop it since Orin gets going really really fast. Once Orin scales the game enough, her skill and scope allow her to instantly kill bosses using explosion chains with no resource cost (and good timing will even let Orin recharge her barrier) while the opponent is forced to bomb or use a clearing ability whenever Orin throws out an undodgeable ceiling from killing a boss. When they inevitably bomb or use a bullet clearing skill, they send another boss that Orin can just one-shot and the situation repeats and gets worse for the opponent until they run out of bombs or their bullet clearing skill stops being enough to handle it. So in PvP, Orin just completely steamrolls every character not named Reimu, Zanmu, and Chiyari. That said, Orin actually holds her own really well against Reimu, and Orin might have a win-condition against Zanmu that I can't test because the netplay is too garbage, so maybe only Chiyari is the issue.
Orin in this game is a glass cannon. Orin really sucks defensively: her shot does too little damage, her scope barely protects her, and her skill has a bug that sometimes causes her to take damage when she uses it while above half the screen. However, Orin's counter-offence with her scope and skill, and her ability to start huge chains to force the game to scale quickly is second-to-none, and combined with how suffocating her EX is, her bad defense simply stops mattering once her offense ramps up and the opponent can't really stop it since Orin gets going really really fast. Once Orin scales the game enough, her skill and scope allow her to instantly kill bosses using explosion chains with no resource cost (and good timing will even let Orin recharge her barrier) while the opponent is forced to bomb or use a clearing ability whenever Orin throws out an undodgeable ceiling from killing a boss. When they inevitably bomb or use a bullet clearing skill, they send another boss that Orin can just one-shot and the situation repeats and gets worse for the opponent until they run out of bombs or their bullet clearing skill stops being enough to handle it. So in PvP, Orin just completely steamrolls every character not named Reimu, Zanmu, and Chiyari. That said, Orin actually holds her own really well against Reimu, and Orin might have a win-condition against Zanmu that I can't test because the netplay is too garbage, so maybe only Chiyari is the issue.
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The Cat Said Yes (Touhou 19 Lunatic)
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I'll be honest I only went into this fight wanting to spam EX attack as much as possible and torture the AI. I thought I'd reach the scripted end by exploding the bosses with explosion chains before the AI would die.
4:14 Best moment
Fun fact: *The background vocals to the song are Zanmu screaming in agony*
How has nobody told me this is how TH19 is played. I love TH09 and TH03
now with Tsukasa or mamizou
They do have worse scopes than Orin, but the reason why Orin has such a terrible matchup is mainly due to her weak shot, bugged skill (it hurts you if you're too high on the screen), and Zanmu can counter her sent spirits with her skill.
Reimu can counter Orin too tho(L2)
@@loadingsolate I mean sure, but i dont think Orin fights Reimu in her route lmao
@@GarryDumblowski Yeah, reimu doesn't fight with Orin in story mode
Hey this strategy seems familiar. You definitely cut it real close though. Getting to the final card with this strat is always scary. Boss cancels are also hella underrated. Great clear man, GG
I do this ALL the time, take advantage of your opponent's boss attacks and milk off charge points
zanmu is a tryhard(probably)
The impressive thing is your computers fps
Great skill
im kaying myself
1) Farm spirit points 2)Spam Level 3 attacks 3)??? 4)Profit
The most amusing part of this game is that in theory, you have lots of power ups
Completely unhinged game balance 10/10 would attempt again
02:01 smooth af
4:13 ここ好き
Pog
I thought Orin was weak with her normal attack but her charged, yes. Also f Nazrin man still can’t even beat normal with her😂
I was wondering why the title, and then I see someone made video "The Game Said No" abit later XD
Orin: "parry this you fucking casual"
I can’t even tell what’s going on here but it looks cool as heck.
Orin: What's wrong, Zanmu?! Skill issue?! Hey, here's an idea: Why don't you JUST DODGE IT?!
"Go to hell, you insufferable cat." "Which one? Also, too late."
"Just dodge it" -Zanmu
11 subscribers with 2k...Im impressed
> I thought I'd reach the scripted end by exploding the bosses with explosion chains before the AI would die. Yeah so as you noticed, this is actually one of the best ways for Orin to win, though it's not exactly uh... consistent How long did it take you and on what difficulty haha
Think I got lucky and got this not even 5 attempts in. It was lunatic difficulty, the Zanmu AI never uses level 2 on any other difficulty not even on VS mode.
The person who posted this video must be incredibly handsome and tall
Blud really did no sugarcoating at all
AI as cheater as always
Dayum this is quite an ingenious strategy. Not only do you force out the AI's bombs, you also deny it EX level up since the bombs drain the charge meter.
I don't really understand touhou 19's mechanics too well yet. can you explain what the strategy is?
@@ethan2803 the main strategy is somewhat similar to the phantasmagoria games..... you want to do these more often: - charge up level 2s - chain up killing enemies as much as possible - only charge up level 3s/4s when your shield is down (i.e., when the yellow circle is gone and the gauge blinks)
@@renka-chan9213ahh, I understand. thank you very much!
That’s kinda… how you play the game against other people
I love how Touhou 19 is simmered down to Orin vs Zanmu While Hisami is probably stalking Zanmu Then Reimu and Chiyari is breaking the game in the Background
and yuuma is slapping that crap with her spoon the whole time
15 years later and orin is still not sugercoating it
Started playing touhou 2 weeks ago, can confirm i hate Orin for taking all my life and bombs and not even getting in her 2 Last spell card.
I wanted to see Orin's wheel thing in stage 6 mid stage lol
This gives me a new view of Orin in this game. I didn't like her for her shot type but she has deadly attacks when charged.
Glad that’s out of the way!
I see Zanmu decided to not use her lvl 2 charge more often, would’ve been a nightmare if she did.
Yeah but that spawns a ton of spirits whenever she does, and Orin can abuse that with either her skill or scope and obliterate bosses like at 2:00. My original plan was gonna be to speedrun her boss sections with that but for some reason the Zanmu AI just forgot it existed later on and I ended up having this clear. I think the reason why they kept opting for level 3 instead of level 2 is because it prioritized getting barrier back over cancelling out my spirits with level 2. There's an even better video on Bilibili where the Zanmu AI doesn't forget and ends up destroyed way harder than in my own video.
@@monstermadchenkoishi2403 Yea lol I saw that one, she just eats up all spirits like nothing lol. She's also great against the matriarchs for that reason too.
unbelievable dodging ability
You know you've done something diabolical when the Lunatic AI gets hit
A Lunatic Phatasmagoria Final Boss AI. Don't forget that.
Chiyari though 💀
I dont think the AI knows how to dodge Chiyari's following souls tho
Should be noted that the AI in this game is waaaay worse at the game than in the other two phantasmagorias
PoDD ai >...> UDOALG
I see Orin is living up to her reputation she built up in Touhou 11 here...
Ayo?
@@UCmDBecUtbSafffpMEN3iscA ...? What?
"Hmm, I don't remember her being that ba-" *Cat's walk flashbacks* *GHOST WHEELS FLASHBACKS*