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Hey buddy, sorry for the late reply. Not sure on the grassroots this year hey...definitely going to be riding more just not selling body parts for a few hours of riding!

Haha for sure!

Not a chance I'm getting a pushy, also for $200 I can just get a softer foam...

Meh, I'm many many hours on the Nissin now and I'm sticking to my guns...top shelf stuff!

Price was one reason, I also wanted a soft stock suspension and I'd been told by some testers that the racing was a little too aggressive for the terrain I ride in. So far I've been super happy but would probably grab the racing when I upgrade

Great question, I should do a bit of an in depth on gearing and the maps because I've been mixing it up a ton. So my gearing is currently 12/48 and I try to stick to the sunny map even for the snotty stuff. The rain map is good for really really bad mud/clay when you probably need the power curve a little reduced.

Good stuff bro, I've been following your Beta journey. Super cool stuff. Next time I'm up QLD way I'll hit you up

@@hungrychinp cheers legend!

Haha yeah they give you a pounding! Born Qld, surviving in ACT now.

Beta did start with a KTM engine😂

I’m with until seat covers, onegripper blows the rest out of the water!

Yeah keep us posted, I’m interested how much tinkering you’ll need to do on the racing model to make it suitable for the hard stuff

So many people have asked me this, I’m going to have to spend some big days on the bike to figure this out. So far it’s been just as good as the tpi…but every time you drop the bike fuel leaks. My gut tells me if you did classic enduro there’s no difference but if you did hard enduro you’re going to lose more fuel not because of consumption but from leaking out the carb when you drop/roll/crash the bike!

@Enduro Brendan awesome thanks for the feedback! I’ve been told that the difference in jetting performance will be very minor so if you’re not a pro it’s probably not going to bother but i have no evidence for this. I’m actually looking into the smart carb as my next mod which would mean no more messing around with jetting. If you’re happy on a tpi there’s no reason to just sell up and go a beta.

Exactly why I swapped from KTM. My 2020 300 had two bottom end rebuilds, 3 top ends, 7 CCPs, fuel pump, oil pump, and just about every other issue…I would spend my entire time worrying I was going to get stranded out in the bush with a 100kg weight. But on the flip side I’ve had mates put 200+ hrs on with no issues an one top end haha.

I’m 50/50 for Kozi, new grassroots pricing is a little rough. I’m optimistic about the GNCC thats coming here. Might try for the Tumut Transmoto and considering some local mx clubman races here in the ACT.

Legend! You’ll be completely fine on stock, but if you are training and competing and take your riding pretty serious you’ll want to go up a spring rate especially if you add 15lbs of gear on. Do you use stock gearing (14/48)? I’ve dropped down to 12/48 to see how that goes…

Cheers for the comment legend, I’ve seen some stuff you guys are doing in Canada and it’s mint! Might be a little cold for me though…I’m planning on a couple more videos on mods and the mid term review. From everything I hear about the 23 race edition I think it’s going to be a mad bike!

What type of riding do you do? Race is pretty aggressive for the hard enduro...I think J Walker down specs his Race for the hard stuff - low comp head, different jetting and sprockets

Yes go for it!

Glad you like it!

Legend, thanks very much! I'm planning to get an updated review at 20h to see how the bike has held up.

Great feedback, I have a few mates on current gasgas and they don't seem to mind braketec. I guess it really depends on what style of riding.

Oh for sure, when you say pricey replacement parts is that compared to say a KTM bike? I haven't had to buy any parts yet but I looked through the online webstore and found prices were pretty similar to ktm...at least in Australia...

@@hungrychinp i don't have one of the new ktm bikes, mine is a 01 200 mxc, but I was referring to the Japanese bikes.. my beta fell over in the trailer and messed up the throttle hand grip and the new beta hand grips was 45 plus shipping. It is what it is.... I've had this little 200 beta in some tight trails in East Texas and it done very well, I haven't heard anything negative about beta.

@@freetaylor72 oh true, I threw those things out day 1 haha. I threw a billet throttle tube on and run $15 grips. I've heard good things about the 200 betas, never ridden one but they're popular.

No I'm only 6-7h in now and I haven't had any oil coming out my exhaust. I wouldn't be surprised if the bike is a little rich, I know my dealer jets the bike before sale which also includes a different needle but this is all provided for by Beta. Maybe worth asking your dealer. I'll let you know if there is a change after I run the bike on an MX track.

Its a great point and something I'm going to talk about in the next vid. KTM/Gasgas/Husky have nailed engine vibration...Beta have counterbalanced but there is still a lot of vibration. I don't even notice the vibration after 1min into riding. I also haven't got arm pump at all on the Beta but I used to get mad arm pump on my KTM 2020 300 tpi. My un-scientific theory is that a little vibration helps distal perfusion of my arms which reduces arm pump. I haven't ridden the TBI yet however the best engine I've tried was a 2022 EC300 tpi (Gasgas) which has a twostrokeperformance low compression head, ECU flash, and injector relocation kit as well as the oil delete kit. Incredibly smooth engine, impossible to stall, chugs up everything. Great engine but I still prefer the snap of the Beta in comparison. I'll tinker with everything which is why I'll probably end up trying a smart carb but thats going to be far in the future. All I'll be interested in is if I can minimise the post crash bog from too much fuel getting into the engine. Not much jetting can do to help this and I doubt the smartcarb will have a huge difference either. Love the questions, now I have lots to go test! Legend

@@hungrychinp Thanks for the detailed response! Interesting thought about vibration reducing arm pump - perhaps the stock KTM Neken handlebars were too stiff or simply AER forks transmitting too much energy into your arms? The '23 300 TBI engine sets a new bar for 2-stroke engine performance in my book. The throttle body EFI combined with electronic power valve makes the partial throttle torque response very strong and quick yet linear and amazingly controllable. From lugging in 1st gear at zero RPM to 4th gear braps over tabletop jumps to 60 mph wheelies in 6th gear and no jetting required...hope you get to ride a 300 TBI soon;) th-cam.com/video/VL5NPXdHbjc/w-d-xo.html

Great feedback thanks mate! I'm not someone stuck in my ways with old technology so I really hope TBI is as exceptional as the reviews have it out to be. Having said that it is annoying not being able to MAP your own bike and relying on so much electronics. We will eventually get to a point where you have to pay a subscription to your ECU software updates and engine MAP'ing.

@@hungrychinp Like you (and being an engineer) I enjoy tinkering with EFI mapping (the Yamaha GYTR phone app is fun, myKTM connectivity unit works too). Having said that I have to admit KTM did a pretty good job out of the box with the 300 TBI maps. Map 1 is while fast has a smooth and tick slower power build and about 2 less peak HP. Map 2 builds power more quickly (yet still controllable) and pulls longer up top. I've got about 14 hours on my 23 300XC so far in various conditions and have to admit I have no specific things I would want to change between the (2) maps though I hope KTM brings back the myKTM connectivity unit so I can try some different mapping.

Gasgas is an excellent bike and reasonably priced. I found my beta has better quality bolts than ktm but I don’t like their wiring as much. The racing version is just a little too much aggression for the hard enduro - although I’m sure you could tune it down. If you are still running the gasgas you should look into the twostrokeperformance injector relocation kit. Best mod you can do to a tpi

@@hungrychinp I thought theres no difference about the motor between racing and normal RR. Injector relocation kit - Did you try it? Whats the differences you’ve noticed?

@@DMC-179 no there's actually massive differences between the Racing and RR. They have a different powervalve, different compression head and there is a bunch of machining done on the engine to make it more aggressive. As with the injector relocation kit...its honestly one of the single best upgrades you can do to the tpi. The power is smooth and somehow the bike doesn't want to stall. I have three mates that all have the relocation kit (ktm, husky and gasgas) and they all say the same thing!

Interesting, mine came 13:48 from the dealership

@@hungrychinp I will check mine again tomorrow 😂

sup buddy

I'm still standing by my claim, I had initially been so concerned about the Nissin I was looking for 2nd hand brembos I could replace them with...then I actually put some time on the bike and was shocked how good they are.

@@hungrychinp could be the pads and rotors or how the lever is adjusted too. Nissan is good but I'll stay with my brembos lol

@@thatfast3002 you do you buddy, I'm going to put the nissin through the ringer at the MX track and see how they hold up

Just put some high speed braking time on the Nissin and I would say the Brembo may have a edge above Nissin. The Nissin help up fine, didn't lock up or boil over (yet) but I found the brake fluid expanded more in the front brake and would create almost like a pulsating feeling in the lever...more testing to be done!

@@hungrychinp I was going to comment here after last Sundays ride. We had a 08 KTM 250xc, 2019 250XC, 22 husky 300TC, 2023 300xc, 22 250XC, and a 2022 beta 300 not the RR model. The only bike to have an issue was the beta which lost rear brake pressure lol

oh yeah man coming from a 2002 to a 2023 beta is going to be night and day different! Let me know what you think of the transition and if you have any neat tricks to riding carby bikes!

Great choice, are you planning on doing any mods to it or just run it stock?

Any recommendations for upgrades/mods? I’m looking at the smart carb to reduce some of the ‘post crash bogging’

The mods I've done are BRP hand gaurd mounts Mfg Part# BMI-9254 . AXP skid plate, Boano shark fin PDPBB1013, Bullet Proof rad gaurds. I recently purchased a Fmf factory fatty & 2.1 sparkaresstor but I honestly don't expect much if any gains. My bike is a 22 Race edition which has a different head if you look up the part#. I know there's been talk about carb float adjustment and running longer breather hoses etc. I've only crashed a few times and haven't noticed anything unusual with the bike loading up etc. I've honestly only had to turn my idle up a pinch and that's it....bike runs excellent even at 40-1 using motul 800 prefixing gas.

@@mwzimmer oh awesome info thanks mate! I’m going to have to figure something out for the carb, maybe some tinkering.

Cheers mate! Would prefer to just ride instead of talk haha

Hey sorry mate, don't have any measurements for you.

good luck!!

Thanks Sorin!

I bought the bike new with stock suspension, am only 78kg so technically the manual says the stock sprint rate is correct for me. I still went up one spring rate on both the front and back. That took a lot of the rebound issues I was having away from the rear. But I agree I’m not overly happy with rebound adjustments.

Hey mate they are the GAMMA LT PANT. I find they are fine in the summer, there is a bungee cord around the cuff so you can wear them with the legs pulled up if you get too warm. Another great option is the fjallraven zip off pants which gives you the best of both. Cheers

Glad you enjoyed it!

Nice fix , or tweak tho !

Thanks mate! I’m not a mechanic and love Ktm’s but there does seem to be a trend toward cheaper or gimmicky parts that’s really frustrating.

Yeah wasn’t in a good state when I pulled it out! 🤦‍♂️