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Actually, you’re wrong. It’s in the name, squirrel creature token. However, they are not normal cards. So when they go to the graveyard, they fizzle so they’re not in the graveyard.

@@jackj6219 108.2b Tokens aren't considered cards

@@jackj6219 So if something mentions creature cards it means it excludes tokens.

@@jackj6219 Hmm it looks like my answer was removed so I post it again: 108.2b Tokens aren't considered cards

@@creative666666555555 it must have been because the only one I saw was the one about creatures. They are creatures just not cards.

🙃haha, nice catch! Sometimes don't get to read all the way through. This reminds of the mechanic where commander damage is still counted even if it doesn't cause loss of life. Like if you have a Platinum Emperium out on the board and they keep attacking with their flying commander they can still get you with 21 points of Commander damage even though your life total doesn't go down.

Thanks! I haven't really made recent updates. I like playing the deck in the current style. There are newer cards like Up the Beanstalk, Invasion of Ikoria, Fanatic of Rhonas, Goldvein Hydra, and others that seem that they might fit well though.

I like the Spellslinger version because you can win on a single big turn and out of nowhere. The 1/1 version you would need to either have another card that enables haste, or a card like impact tremors on the board which sends warning signals to the opponents when cast. To be higher power you may want to focus on more infinite combos for damage, card draw, and mana and tutors to get there. If you had isochron scepter, dramatic reversal, mana rocks, and grapeshot that is a storm win right there. Some of the combos in Izzet Blue/Red are more conducive to Niv-Mizzet as commander because you can combo with a single card like curiosity. I like playing at this power level with Ghyrson because it makes it feel more in tune with the theme of the commander, I haven't brewed too much on increasing the power level, but good luck with any upgrades you may have!

Tandem Lookout also opens up a number of avenues for infinite combos if you would like to go that route.

It says, those tokens plus that many squirrels so it does double.

Wrong. Makes a squirrel for each token created

@@jacobsweet9270 "If one OR MORE tokens" So it's the instance of one or three or five or howevermany tokens being created at the same time that triggers Chatterfang's ability to add one more token to that number.

Wow, nice catch! I never noticed that naming methodology before.

It actually would work. It depends on the actual cards themselves, aka it does with chatterfangs creations. Squirrels if I am not mistaken (if im wrong slap me) they are Creature tokens. or Token Creatures. And since they hit the requirement of it being a creature card, then it still would reach that requirement. It doesnt say anything about it being a permanent within the card text of the enchantment. It just says, "If a creature card was put into your graveyard".

@@OfficerCresky on the battlefield tokens are considered permanents, but not cards. This means they still hit the graveyard to trigger cards like Blood Artist; but unfortunately, they do not work with Cloakwood Hermit or the new Descend cards. Hermit specifically asks for Creature Cards and tokens don’t meet that requirement. Legally, I believe WOTC says you can use anything to represent a token (not just cards; dice are often used) as long as it is fully understood by all players and doesn’t cause confusion.

@austindutton2998 how do they not meet that requirement? They are creature tokens, much like there are artifact tokens, and yes they may have anything represent them, they are still a permanent representing the object they are a token of. Still a creature, or an artifact. It's merely looking for the creature subtype, and since it states everywhere. Then discards are also plausible. The readout is the same as on Sarulf World Eater, which requires enemy permanents. Same concept, just different targets that require it to proc. Additionally, there are no rules negating that ability working as such in the gatherer website

A squirrel token is a creature permanent, but it is not a creature card. Tokens are not considered “cards”

I do like the Eligeth replacement effect of drawing cards instead though!

Important Note!

You’re right, the hardest part is surviving until you can make your big plays. I usually try to: 1. Try and not be the threat early on, you are just ramping, other players will develop their board and are usually seen as threatening to win the game earlier and draw more pressure. Make sure you have ramp in your opening hand or it will be a rough game. 2. Aetherize is huge and has won me games, you only need to use it when an opponent goes all in on attacking you, don’t use it on just 1-2 creatures. 3. Aetherize, Aethersprouts, Flood of Tears, Cyclonic Rift, and All is dust are used to stall the game to get to Eldrazi, or if you draw it late game, to set up for the win. Since we ramp, we should be able to play board wipes a turn or two earlier then a standard deck, which really helps. 4. Punish people that attack you specifically: Utilize Beast Within, Pongify, Enbringer’s ability, Ugin, and Predator Flagship to target player’s creatures only when they decide to attack you, this can tend to hold off other players from committing more to attack you. 5. if someone is going to combo off with a creature combo or tokens to deal massive damage in 1 turn that is when you use also can utilize counterspells to make it to late game.

Probably around 500-700 depending on which version of the cards you are adding in, the borderless/extended art foils, or the base cards. The 3 cards: The One Ring, Forth Eorlingas!, and Beseech the Mirror are the priciest at this time.

I do like the tremor type damage dealing. When making this deck I went the spellslinger route because it did not work well when going both spellslinger/creature maker. If you make the deck for the creature damage the little devils do a great job of pinging for extra damage, and I originally had some of those devil maker cards in the sideboard. Add in a sac outlet like Phyrexian Altar and it could get pretty crazy. Using a goblins strat and using Krenko with impact Tremors would be pretty fun too!

I might modify to a few versions of the deck to see which is the most fun

@@FINXMTG-sl3nm Will be eager to see the results! I wanna build this commander

Oh Yea, that would work pretty well and also be nuts with Seedborne Muse!

Should be a fun direction as well. Cards like Krenko work well with creating the token army. Just need to have recursion or protection from board wipes!

Going heavier on the spellslinger side made the deck more consistent and less susceptible to board wipes. I usually only need 2 creatures in play that ping opps for 1 damage on a spell to start whittling down life totals. Hold back 1-2 other guys in case their is interaction or board wipe and you can rebuild quickly. Then you can set up for 1 turn to finish off opponents with some of the better spells or recursion of spells in your graveyard. Since a lot of the spells are cantrips they can also draw into your other Pingers if you are short. Timmy's are fun, but too slow - the more you have the less competitive the deck seems.

Thanks for the heads-up. Seems to be an issue with the site modifying the link and I am trying to find a workaround.