I do like the idea of Star Trek being under one roof, and on one timeline other than Disco. Getting Kurtzman outta the picture should be the priority. Matalas must be the way forward.
I like idea of Trek/Paramount merging with WB/Max (and even Netflix) because it will be direct counterpart to Disney..... Trek v Wars DC v Marvel Looney Tunes v Disney/Pix. Netflix documentaries v Nation Geographic MI v Hulu
@RogerWilco1 I don't really get into that. I just look at it as bad story telling. A subset of fans are getting so caught up in wokeness to the point it is tiresome.
@RogerWilco1 I will say this there are things that people don't like whatever it is. Then I suggest a certain type of alienating yourself from narratives that bother you might be in order. There are a lot things that are being put out in cinematic presentations that I might not agree with but not to the point where I have always connect it to sociopolitical leanings.
@RogerWilco1 I'm old enough to remember when people got pissed off when a black woman a asian man and Russian were on the bridge of the Enterprise. Some people will get mad at anything🤣
I'm 57 years old and I've loved Star Trek since before I can ever remember anything. I learned my morals from Kirk and Spock and McCoy. Anyone who calls me Toxic had better be man enough to say it to my face. I'm NOT toxic, I never have been, nor will I ever be. I'm sick to death of people saying that having a contrary opinion to theirs is toxic. It's like, if someone elbows you in the face, and you punch them back and saying it's your fault. Paramount created the division, not me, and clearly, I love Star Trek more than they do. Alex Kurtzman is just an incredibly bad choice, he doesn't understand the product, and he wants to just do his thing, whether it's respectful or not. know right from wrong. And New Trek is WRONG, period. It's cynical, violent, depressing, a self-aware joke at times, there's a complete lack of respect for authority (which I love in real life, but not on a military vessel), there's swearing (which simply doesn't exist in the Star Trek universe apart from cultural memory), which I don't give a fuck about in real life, but this is Star Trek, it's made like a contemporary show with current day euphemisms and sayings, the humour is always cynical and mean spirited, and it's not intelligent for want of a better word. The Original Series had great discourse between Kirk (the man pragmatist), Spock (the logical), and Bones (the Empath), the point being that all three are needed for harmonious society. TNG was full of psychobabble (popular in the 80s in Cali), technobabble (for the nerds), and diplomacy (because of the Cold War). Modern Trek is just a generic, contemporary, action sci-fi show. Utterly forgettable.
I hope this is a glimmer of hope for Trek, but I doubt it. Many of the same, cough cough, issues that plague Trek under Paramount exist just as much, if not more so in WB.
Like Chicago fire, pd, and med. make a StarTrek with three shows unique but can and do overlap. Make StarTrek Academy, Shipyards, and Journeys. Three shows that focus on their area like classroom and the dorms and life ad a cadet for Academy. For Shipyards its about mechanics and building and ship design. With Journey its about exploring like TNG and Voyager. Interaction between all three on season cliff hangers would be amazing. Anyway just my thoughts.
There are several franchises that are spread across several IP owners making work on future projects hard or impossible. Star gate has the problem: 2 IP owners that are at loggerheads. Dr Who also had this problem with the ownership of several early Dr Who contact races, past companions, etc. Star wars is a mess. Several like Babylon 5, Far Scape, old old stuff like Battle beyond the Stars also has project possibilities but you need to get the legal lead out. It makes creating a game hard and TV or movie even harder. Its been identified as an industry flaw by several major investment houses. They may be putting pressure on the industry as a whole to get their act together on ownership. A bridging entity that licenses and thus owns all the IP then allows new products to be built is possible. Even fan based material can be folded in. Its a tool nothing more but as the recent industry miss steps get dealt with a lot of people will be considering that tool. I'm biased, I have my own Far Trek mini project. Federation crews taken POW by the Sheliak building a base far from the Federation with a few new friends and phoning home. The Federation does not know they're alive. Unlike voyager they don't want to go home the far Alpha cluster is home.
Interesting. As far as who Paramount actually merges with, Skydance would not be shocking-as Paramount has had a years-long relationship with them for quite some time.
As for the Animation, don't forget about Hanna-Barbera and Cartoon Network. Both are little more than brands and IP at this point, but production of any animation could easily be done by either as a virtual studio.
Given the amount of debt they have, is it really a smart purchase? How long would it take at what investment cost (preferably not offset by new, additional debt) would be required to turn a profit?
WB is doing great with Barbie and Dune. And this Star Trek plan sounds good. Much better than Kurtzmans Trek. Too bad they are burning DC to the ground. DC is dead for the foreseeable future.
So does Amazon, Netflix, Universal, et cetera... The patience for growing a following has died off far too steeply in today's visual entertainment business.
First time here but super cool video and very interesting. Ultimately the biggest issue with most current Star Trek whether you like it or not is the cost being able to bring it in house at Warner to take in back to the legacy era of shooting reusing sets would have been great at saving costs. Now even though Skydance is in the lead it's possible that what Warner wanted to do may still occur because Skydance if my memory survives is owned by Tom Cruise and the rumor is while Akex Kurtzman is listed as the film's director Tom Cruise was the one who ghost directed the film so there might be some bad blood there and even if Warner doesn't get Paramount they may still try for individual IPs or may just end up spending more then they want. Because Warner Discovery doesn't just want Paramount and its library but they want CBS as well and those two might be enough to out bid Skydance because end of the day Zaslav may be able to do that.
I think that the Warner Bros plan could work. Apparently one sticking point was dealing with Secret Hideout & Abrams. Yet for the right amount i am sure that they would opt out. I have no idea where this is going to end up. I do know that this isn't the end of Star Trek. It is still a very viable property with a great fan base. The question remains as where Star Trek ends up in all of this. Funny how way back in 1964 when Gene Roddenbery was developing what would be known as Star Trek that 60 years later the idea of Star Trek Studios would be a possibility! As for Kurtzman, I guess haters have to hate. I have some issues with some of what he has done but I find that overall, there have more hits than misses. It's a mixed bag not everything has been awful or "ruined" Star Trek.
The thing about Star Trek is that it was painted into a bit of a hole by Rick Berman. Alpha and Beta Quadrants were kind of normal space, DS9 went to the Gamma Quadrant, and Voyager went to the Delta Quadrant. So, the entire galaxy had been used (although of course the galaxy is mind-numbingly HUGE so there's plenty of dark spaces to fill). After Voyager finished, they were all exhausted and had no real new stories, but the studio made them make Enterprise, which I actually liked, but it didn't get the love it deserved. Just for my own amusement I wrote a synopsis called Star Trek: Andromeda about the discovery of a temporary one-way wormhole leading to the Andromeda Galaxy and Star Fleet sending a fleet of ships including several Cruisers and Colony ships on a one-way, never to return voyage to the Andromeda Galaxy, where new adventures could begin.
I honestly like the content you produce. You seem to be a lot more positive about talking about Star Trek & how you'd like to see whatever it is that's currently being produced or in the works to continue with as little disruption as possible. I'm sure you're probably going to cover this in one of the later videos, but another youtuber that you may know of has said that a source said that Warner Brothers has a plan for Star Trek Studios & wants to buy JUST Star Trek, but would apparently want nothing to do with the those elements that Secret Hideout controls. In fact, according to the source, they say Kurtzman wants out of making Star Trek because knows what he is making isn't being the draw that he hoped it would be. This source goes on to say that they would end up resetting Star Trek back to the orginal timeline that was produced before Enterprise was cancelled in 2005, thereby putting an end to every production of Kurtzman Trek out there. I do have to admit, it is wildly different plan from what you have probably heard, but I trust this other youtuber about as much as they care about hiding behind a mask. I'm looking forward to seeing the next video that you have to put out!
Although that other youtuber who has quite a large subscriber base has been correct with many past rumours in relation to Disney, Star Wars, Indiana Jones and Star Trek Discovery. You have a misunderstanding regarding that video in question. According to rumours that WB will have all Star Trek produced under two licences (1966 to 2005 and 2009 to present) incorporated in Star Trek Studios. WB will then disregard Star Trek after 2009 and only concentrate on making new Star Trek set in before 2005. Sky Dance will buy Paramount and only deal with movies which doesn’t include Star Trek.
A question which should be considered: With more than six hundred hours of Star Trek already in the can, it is among the most-produced entertainment franchises of all time. Is there demand or a justification for more?
I would be happy to see WB take over the whole Star Trek IP so long as they respect the pre-split-Paramount tv shows canon and avoid divisive 'ideological messaging' inserted into the stories.
Star Trek won't be saved until people appreciate what made star trek go. It was always made with a conservative liberal conflict behind the scenes. That tension is what made things good. And I don't just mean politically I mean creatively. Writers are always tempted to avoid the pressures of writing for a major franchise by lowering the bar and engaging in self indulgent writing. I.e. let's have a musical episode. You need a conservative voice that tells them they're fired. You need a gatekeeper that asks a very basic question. Is it better than what has been done before? If you're not trying to outdo 90s trek, you shouldn't be writing for trek. Having a musical episode is a pretty obvious sign you do not belong as part of the production crew. A simple task you'd ask a potential writer "get the 100 best trek episodes, explain why they suck and how you would fix them". If you can't improve on the best you don't belong in a room full of people who should be the best.
Star Trek 9021 NO! So a movie company finally realizes what has been known for decades, that derivative or split copyrights are a bad idea. They can't make them on their own. Stop funding new projects with them which only serves to keep them liquid. Bad Robot and Secret Hideout both need to go to chapter 7 liquidation and no longer be anyone's problem. Can someone arrange that? Please?
Milking it with only putting half of the info in one video, eh? For everyone wanting to hear the full story: Doomcock already talked about it in full length on his overlord dvd channel.
So long as they understand and keep the core of what Star Trek was meant to be (and not someone's interpretation either), and they respect canon and the fans, there is hope. It would be a shame to stick with the Prime timeline as it includes all the garbage from 2009 on. They'd be better of and make fans happier by returning to the original timeline. This would also dump all the Kurtzman stuff. Start a while after the homecoming of Voyager, and go from there. And I almost forgot: Make Axanar as it was intended. It's too bad some of the actors are gone now, but it would still be worth it.
Star Trek needs to be but in the cooler for 10+ years and hopefully the industry straightens out. There is not any studio out there that is consistently faithful to the source material. Yes we get a bone thrown to us every once in awhile but getting excited for a purchase is just setting yourself up for disappointment
If Warner Bros was this aware of the fanbase’s opinions and wanting to fix some of Kurtzman’s narrative missteps, then I mourn the lack of a merger.. canceling Academy and focusing on the prime Legacy timeline would’ve been exactly what most of us want. Academy is so far removed from the rest of Trek, tbh it can only harm future projects.
It would explain why Legacy has been delayed despite being a slam dunk. I personally would not like to see Kurtzman go, Matalas is great but I think ST needs both.
There is no such thing as toxic fandom, only fandom.. That term was coined by the very hacks and lack of "creatives" that make a lot of the lessor quality content they expect us to consume today. They are the same people who have caused the division in fans, back when fans pushed back against the lessor quality content. I believe Star Trek needs to totally ditch Secret Hideout and Kurtzman and get a team like the one Terry Metalis brought to Picard season 3. They need creatives who can actually do Science fiction, not Starfleet 90210 CW rubbish.
100% agree. It's just a defence mechanism used by fragile modern people who can't handle honest criticism. People don't "hate on" things, they stop watching, or never even start. I have friends who hate Star Trek that have never seen a frame of it. They just don't like sci-fi. I've loved Star Trek foreverrrrr, and I'm the first people to criticise shit episodes, but not because I'm a "hater", but because they are shit, and I know they can do better. Even Rick Berman etc are the first to say that some episodes suck.
Someone needs to buy the Star Trek IP, fire everyone, shut down all projects, declare everything produced from 2009 as non-canon, and start over. Just say the last 15 years have been a Romulan ale induced bad dream.
I think a key point that the host of this video is missing is that Paramount severing all ties with Secret Hideout and not using anything from the "25% Different" shows would be a GOOD THING. Reset back to the Canon Timeline and jettison all of the Prime Timeline and Kelvin Timeline garbage. Last item, as a fan since the Seventies, I am a Trekker. "Trekkie" is the derogatory label the media slapped on the fans of the Star Trek. Shameful that so many have sheepishly accept being branded a "Trekkie."
I think you miss the point that the host of the video sees to want stuff like Strange New Worlds, Lower Decks & Prodigy to continue. That's why he has said before that if an idea like Star Trek Studios was put forth, everything related to Star Trek would go straight to it, including Kurtzman Trek.
I have no hope in Star Trek. I have no hope in Paramount, WB or Hollywood as a whole. If someone from Hollywood produces something, I might watch it. But no more "rumors" for me. No more Star Trek 4, news. No more anything. Put something out and I might watch it.
You back trekked on your Legacy is being made according to you because they wanted Amazon to flip the bill or 30% of it and they agreed and now you are saying "If" it ever gets made... Are you a real source or just a click bait fake?
Right now Legacy is still a pipe dream. The man who would be responsible for doing this, Terry Matalas is currently tied up with other projects that he can't share, but if they were to call & say we want you to work on Star Trek, he'd eagerly work on it.
i hope whoever gets it dumps the woke bs...and goes back to making good fun entertainment that happens to expand peoples perspectives without hitting them over the head with a sledgehammer like they have been. diversity should be something real not reverse racist forced... balance please...
"toxic fanbases" is a false narrative. after all its we the fans who PAY THEIR SALARY. if they want to blame us for their lack of success that's a problem. showing blatant disrespect to your customer base is a good way to go out of business. if it wasn't for the "toxic fanbase" airing all the grievances they had with the newer shows, we wouldn't have gotten the epicly awesome season 3 of picard. and i have never had a problem with the animated offerings. snw is acceptable though i find it mediocre. discovery is the problem show, it lacks any kind of character development, the plot lines feel contrived, it relies too much on mystery boxes full of disappointment. its full of retcons and on top of that we got a crew i wouldn't even trust to run a mcdonalds. its a fine example of how not to run a star trek series. i also feel like its cheapening the brand to be constantly spitballing shows to see what sticks. id rather they invest in the shows they have, get better writers and make an effort to smooth things over with the fans.
If it has a Klingon Boy Band, or people in touch with their feelings instead of doing what they are told - I'm not interested. If Episode 1, Scene 1 of "whatever" is Kurtzman going out an airlock that would be a good start. 11 minutes spent listening and nothing learned.
Paramount will find away to make their priorities to be the same as or equal to anyone like Skydance to Nettles or even Amazon because everything they need for themselves becomes beneficial for all of them. Essentially all parties joining together will become willing bedfellows when money is agreed upon or any agreed trading is needed as they then say to each other his ... If you scratch my back I will do your work because I have the studio spaces to meet your needs!
I hope that if paramount and Whom ever they decide to do merger with seriously consider to allow Quentin Tarantino to produce his own Star Trek movie as long as he doesn’t use any franchise established characters. He could create a new crew on a different starship dealing with the Orion syndicate throw in some Klingons and Romulans and maybe even some dangerous green women. Then in future Star Trek productions characters can reference the details of the plot of Tarantino’s film and hopefully maybe Robert Rodriguez will decide to make his own film maybe even related to Tarentino’s film.
I like idea of Trek/Paramount merging with WB/Max (and even Netflix) because it will be direct counterpart to Disney..... Trek v Wars DC v Marvel Looney Tunes v Disney/Pix. Netflix documentaries v Nation Geographic MI v Hulu I like some Kurtzman stuff like 1st 2 STD seasons & SNE. EXCEPT for LGBTQ in your face. No problem with Spock's sister. Actually hoping Discovery ship comes back to contemporary prime time, stayin6 secret part of s31. Makes sense. I want to see the real universe version of Gabriel Lorca since STD only showed mirror universe version. He could be mainstream OR also s31. ULTIMATELY Id love Musk or Apple to steal Lucasfilm from Disney & ANYONE get Trek. And use Shatner while he's still alive. Sulu should've gotten his Excelsior movie or series.
Sell Star Trek to Seth MacFarlane, he's the only person who knows what the hell he's doing. He could make ONE GOOD Star Trek series, kind of a continuation of TNG, or at least in that era. We don't need Strange New Worlds, Lower Drecks, or any of the other crap Secret Hideout has been vomiting out (or will vomit out) the last several years. Take Star Trek AWAY from Alex Klutzman and Secret Hideout.
As a lifelong ST fan, nothing could induce me to watch any more nuTrek -- not Legacy, not SNW, not Starfleet 90210, not Section 31, nothing with Alex Kurtzman's name on it. I'll only watch a new ST made by people who love Roddenberry's ST and want to make the best fulfilment of his vision.
For me throw any secret hideout peoduction out of the window, don't use anything and just go back to the classics. Why use stuff from Secret Hideout forget it, go back to basics
I have been a Trekkie since the 60's, but alot of this new Trek, I just don't care much for it. I like Picard, mostly the 3rd season, Strange New Worlds is just ok, I hated that awful musical episode they did. I don't like the animated series at all. I have high hopes for ST Legecy, and I will wait and see what they do with Academy if it happens, but I can't see it being very interesting. Overall I have been relatively happy with ST Discovery, looking forward to the final season. Just my opinion.
Star Trek has become a heap of “woke” influenced trash. Piss poor writing, a lot of bad acting, amateur directing and few endearing characters. Whatever WB does to StarTrek one thing is certain. It can’t get any worse. I can’t get excited about any future feature films because the virus that has infected CBS/Paramount will still be front and center. Thank the stars fans can still watch reruns of TOS, DS-9, Next Generation, Voyager, Enterprise and even StarTrek continues.
It's not very gracious or thankful to call the faithful and committed fan base, to the preservation of canon and lore, the toxic ones. If anybody should be called toxic is the ones who created and supported the abominations and bastardizations of Kurtzman Track. For as long as the disrespect and disregard continues toward the fanbase loyal to what Star Trek and the vision of Gene Roddenberry truly was, the continuation of a non to barely profitable Star Track crap universe it will be.
Sadly there is a toxicity to the fanbase in my opinion. The two extremes of opinion. Those that think all new trek is woke and awful and those that think all trek is great even the trek that’s awful.. these two polar views are toxic in different ways but both illicit and anger and venom that is toxic in the fanbase.
@scitrek I agree that both extremes can be problematic, but the new trek has shown to be not profitable and has shown to be what started the divide and anger in the first place. The faster it dies and trek returns to its roots the better.
The saying is: “The customer is always right”; not, “the customer will just accept what we give him/her”. The failure of Kurtzman’s Picard S1 & 2 but the fan’s revelry for Matalas’ S3 should tell them all they need to know about what kind of Trek fans wanted.
I do like the idea of Star Trek being under one roof, and on one timeline other than Disco. Getting Kurtzman outta the picture should be the priority. Matalas must be the way forward.
Agreed!
I like idea of Trek/Paramount merging with WB/Max (and even Netflix) because it will be direct counterpart to Disney.....
Trek v Wars
DC v Marvel
Looney Tunes v Disney/Pix.
Netflix documentaries v Nation Geographic
MI v Hulu
The biggest problem many Trekkies had was the disrespect of Canon from Kurtzman Trek.
Damn straight.
Also, making it woke propaganda with no relation to Star Trek. That's not toxic, that's just rational to oppose.
@RogerWilco1 I don't really get into that. I just look at it as bad story telling. A subset of fans are getting so caught up in wokeness to the point it is tiresome.
@RogerWilco1 I will say this there are things that people don't like whatever it is. Then I suggest a certain type of alienating yourself from narratives that bother you might be in order. There are a lot things that are being put out in cinematic presentations that I might not agree with but not to the point where I have always connect it to sociopolitical leanings.
@RogerWilco1 I'm old enough to remember when people got pissed off when a black woman a asian man and Russian were on the bridge of the Enterprise. Some people will get mad at anything🤣
With WB surprising us with an upscale blu ray of BABYLON 5 last year, I wonder if we might have seen upscales for DS9 and VOYAGER
I'm 57 years old and I've loved Star Trek since before I can ever remember anything. I learned my morals from Kirk and Spock and McCoy. Anyone who calls me Toxic had better be man enough to say it to my face. I'm NOT toxic, I never have been, nor will I ever be. I'm sick to death of people saying that having a contrary opinion to theirs is toxic. It's like, if someone elbows you in the face, and you punch them back and saying it's your fault. Paramount created the division, not me, and clearly, I love Star Trek more than they do. Alex Kurtzman is just an incredibly bad choice, he doesn't understand the product, and he wants to just do his thing, whether it's respectful or not. know right from wrong. And New Trek is WRONG, period. It's cynical, violent, depressing, a self-aware joke at times, there's a complete lack of respect for authority (which I love in real life, but not on a military vessel), there's swearing (which simply doesn't exist in the Star Trek universe apart from cultural memory), which I don't give a fuck about in real life, but this is Star Trek, it's made like a contemporary show with current day euphemisms and sayings, the humour is always cynical and mean spirited, and it's not intelligent for want of a better word. The Original Series had great discourse between Kirk (the man pragmatist), Spock (the logical), and Bones (the Empath), the point being that all three are needed for harmonious society. TNG was full of psychobabble (popular in the 80s in Cali), technobabble (for the nerds), and diplomacy (because of the Cold War). Modern Trek is just a generic, contemporary, action sci-fi show. Utterly forgettable.
I hope this is a glimmer of hope for Trek, but I doubt it. Many of the same, cough cough, issues that plague Trek under Paramount exist just as much, if not more so in WB.
Like Chicago fire, pd, and med. make a StarTrek with three shows unique but can and do overlap. Make StarTrek Academy, Shipyards, and Journeys. Three shows that focus on their area like classroom and the dorms and life ad a cadet for Academy. For Shipyards its about mechanics and building and ship design. With Journey its about exploring like TNG and Voyager. Interaction between all three on season cliff hangers would be amazing. Anyway just my thoughts.
Personally I like it all, old trek and new trek. For me I like having a trek for whatever mood I'm in.
There are several franchises that are spread across several IP owners making work on future projects hard or impossible. Star gate has the problem: 2 IP owners that are at loggerheads. Dr Who also had this problem with the ownership of several early Dr Who contact races, past companions, etc. Star wars is a mess. Several like Babylon 5, Far Scape, old old stuff like Battle beyond the Stars also has project possibilities but you need to get the legal lead out.
It makes creating a game hard and TV or movie even harder. Its been identified as an industry flaw by several major investment houses. They may be putting pressure on the industry as a whole to get their act together on ownership. A bridging entity that licenses and thus owns all the IP then allows new products to be built is possible. Even fan based material can be folded in.
Its a tool nothing more but as the recent industry miss steps get dealt with a lot of people will be considering that tool.
I'm biased, I have my own Far Trek mini project. Federation crews taken POW by the Sheliak building a base far from the Federation with a few new friends and phoning home. The Federation does not know they're alive. Unlike voyager they don't want to go home the far Alpha cluster is home.
Kurtzman's abominations need to be erased. This is the only way to save the franchise and heal the fanbase.
Interesting. As far as who Paramount actually merges with, Skydance would not be shocking-as Paramount has had a years-long relationship with them for quite some time.
Please tell me they have canned the totally unwanted, dull as dishwater. Starfleet Academy
Good channel! I want to hear your take on .... a-hem, Axanar. And its fiasco.
If you ask me Axanar was much better than Disco Era Trek.
What's the fiasco with Axanar? Didn't it just recently finish filming?
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Axanar has just finished its final primary filming.
and? still doesnt mean anything.
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As for the Animation, don't forget about Hanna-Barbera and Cartoon Network. Both are little more than brands and IP at this point, but production of any animation could easily be done by either as a virtual studio.
Why did you stop at WB are not giving up? Like what is there plans goung forward if the merger doesn't happen?
Given the amount of debt they have, is it really a smart purchase? How long would it take at what investment cost (preferably not offset by new, additional debt) would be required to turn a profit?
When they screen @Stat Fleet Academy ( S.F.A) 😅 .. that we get to see a shuttle with the ship registration .. 90210 .. as a nod to SicTrek . 😉😉😉😊
WB is doing great with Barbie and Dune. And this Star Trek plan sounds good. Much better than Kurtzmans Trek. Too bad they are burning DC to the ground. DC is dead for the foreseeable future.
WB has a history of dropping things I’m kind of glad they didn’t get it
So does Amazon, Netflix, Universal, et cetera... The patience for growing a following has died off far too steeply in today's visual entertainment business.
First time here but super cool video and very interesting. Ultimately the biggest issue with most current Star Trek whether you like it or not is the cost being able to bring it in house at Warner to take in back to the legacy era of shooting reusing sets would have been great at saving costs. Now even though Skydance is in the lead it's possible that what Warner wanted to do may still occur because Skydance if my memory survives is owned by Tom Cruise and the rumor is while Akex Kurtzman is listed as the film's director Tom Cruise was the one who ghost directed the film so there might be some bad blood there and even if Warner doesn't get Paramount they may still try for individual IPs or may just end up spending more then they want. Because Warner Discovery doesn't just want Paramount and its library but they want CBS as well and those two might be enough to out bid Skydance because end of the day Zaslav may be able to do that.
I think that the Warner Bros plan could work. Apparently one sticking point was dealing with Secret Hideout & Abrams. Yet for the right amount i am sure that they would opt out. I have no idea where this is going to end up. I do know that this isn't the end of Star Trek. It is still a very viable property with a great fan base. The question remains as where Star Trek ends up in all of this. Funny how way back in 1964 when Gene Roddenbery was developing what would be known as Star Trek that 60 years later the idea of Star Trek Studios would be a possibility! As for Kurtzman, I guess haters have to hate. I have some issues with some of what he has done but I find that overall, there have more hits than misses. It's a mixed bag not everything has been awful or "ruined" Star Trek.
The thing about Star Trek is that it was painted into a bit of a hole by Rick Berman. Alpha and Beta Quadrants were kind of normal space, DS9 went to the Gamma Quadrant, and Voyager went to the Delta Quadrant. So, the entire galaxy had been used (although of course the galaxy is mind-numbingly HUGE so there's plenty of dark spaces to fill). After Voyager finished, they were all exhausted and had no real new stories, but the studio made them make Enterprise, which I actually liked, but it didn't get the love it deserved.
Just for my own amusement I wrote a synopsis called Star Trek: Andromeda about the discovery of a temporary one-way wormhole leading to the Andromeda Galaxy and Star Fleet sending a fleet of ships including several Cruisers and Colony ships on a one-way, never to return voyage to the Andromeda Galaxy, where new adventures could begin.
I honestly like the content you produce. You seem to be a lot more positive about talking about Star Trek & how you'd like to see whatever it is that's currently being produced or in the works to continue with as little disruption as possible.
I'm sure you're probably going to cover this in one of the later videos, but another youtuber that you may know of has said that a source said that Warner Brothers has a plan for Star Trek Studios & wants to buy JUST Star Trek, but would apparently want nothing to do with the those elements that Secret Hideout controls. In fact, according to the source, they say Kurtzman wants out of making Star Trek because knows what he is making isn't being the draw that he hoped it would be.
This source goes on to say that they would end up resetting Star Trek back to the orginal timeline that was produced before Enterprise was cancelled in 2005, thereby putting an end to every production of Kurtzman Trek out there.
I do have to admit, it is wildly different plan from what you have probably heard, but I trust this other youtuber about as much as they care about hiding behind a mask.
I'm looking forward to seeing the next video that you have to put out!
Although that other youtuber who has quite a large subscriber base has been correct with many past rumours in relation to Disney, Star Wars, Indiana Jones and Star Trek Discovery.
You have a misunderstanding regarding that video in question. According to rumours that WB will have all Star Trek produced under two licences (1966 to 2005 and 2009 to present) incorporated in Star Trek Studios. WB will then disregard Star Trek after 2009 and only concentrate on making new Star Trek set in before 2005. Sky Dance will buy Paramount and only deal with movies which doesn’t include Star Trek.
A question which should be considered: With more than six hundred hours of Star Trek already in the can, it is among the most-produced entertainment franchises of all time. Is there demand or a justification for more?
Finally some definite movement. Good or bad bring it on ( hopefully good )
I would be happy to see WB take over the whole Star Trek IP so long as they respect the pre-split-Paramount tv shows canon and avoid divisive 'ideological messaging' inserted into the stories.
Star Trek won't be saved until people appreciate what made star trek go. It was always made with a conservative liberal conflict behind the scenes. That tension is what made things good. And I don't just mean politically I mean creatively. Writers are always tempted to avoid the pressures of writing for a major franchise by lowering the bar and engaging in self indulgent writing. I.e. let's have a musical episode. You need a conservative voice that tells them they're fired. You need a gatekeeper that asks a very basic question. Is it better than what has been done before? If you're not trying to outdo 90s trek, you shouldn't be writing for trek. Having a musical episode is a pretty obvious sign you do not belong as part of the production crew. A simple task you'd ask a potential writer "get the 100 best trek episodes, explain why they suck and how you would fix them". If you can't improve on the best you don't belong in a room full of people who should be the best.
I could see a new Star Trek project using some of the disco races with out the baggage.
Star Trek 9021 NO!
So a movie company finally realizes what has been known for decades, that derivative or split copyrights are a bad idea. They can't make them on their own. Stop funding new projects with them which only serves to keep them liquid. Bad Robot and Secret Hideout both need to go to chapter 7 liquidation and no longer be anyone's problem. Can someone arrange that? Please?
Milking it with only putting half of the info in one video, eh?
For everyone wanting to hear the full story:
Doomcock already talked about it in full length on his overlord dvd channel.
So long as they understand and keep the core of what Star Trek was meant to be (and not someone's interpretation either), and they respect canon and the fans, there is hope.
It would be a shame to stick with the Prime timeline as it includes all the garbage from 2009 on. They'd be better of and make fans happier by returning to the original timeline. This would also dump all the Kurtzman stuff. Start a while after the homecoming of Voyager, and go from there.
And I almost forgot: Make Axanar as it was intended. It's too bad some of the actors are gone now, but it would still be worth it.
Star Trek needs to be but in the cooler for 10+ years and hopefully the industry straightens out. There is not any studio out there that is consistently faithful to the source material. Yes we get a bone thrown to us every once in awhile but getting excited for a purchase is just setting yourself up for disappointment
It should have been put in the cooler ten years ago, until they came up with a new original concept, but all they do it prequels and retconns.
If Warner Bros was this aware of the fanbase’s opinions and wanting to fix some of Kurtzman’s narrative missteps, then I mourn the lack of a merger.. canceling Academy and focusing on the prime Legacy timeline would’ve been exactly what most of us want. Academy is so far removed from the rest of Trek, tbh it can only harm future projects.
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The Disrespectful JJ Remakes need to be Flushed.
I'm down for a WB takeover. Personally, I'd subscribe to a Max/Netflix/Paramount bundle, and of the 3, I currently only have Paramount.
Wasn't that much of a stretch really.. they had the rights way back when dc made the comic adaptation of the movie franchise
It would explain why Legacy has been delayed despite being a slam dunk. I personally would not like to see Kurtzman go, Matalas is great but I think ST needs both.
Let Warner Bros have Star Trek
I’m fine with whether or not that would make it so.
There is no such thing as toxic fandom, only fandom..
That term was coined by the very hacks and lack of "creatives" that make a lot of the lessor quality content they expect us to consume today.
They are the same people who have caused the division in fans, back when fans pushed back against the lessor quality content.
I believe Star Trek needs to totally ditch Secret Hideout and Kurtzman and get a team like the one Terry Metalis brought to Picard season 3.
They need creatives who can actually do Science fiction, not Starfleet 90210 CW rubbish.
100% agree. It's just a defence mechanism used by fragile modern people who can't handle honest criticism. People don't "hate on" things, they stop watching, or never even start. I have friends who hate Star Trek that have never seen a frame of it. They just don't like sci-fi. I've loved Star Trek foreverrrrr, and I'm the first people to criticise shit episodes, but not because I'm a "hater", but because they are shit, and I know they can do better. Even Rick Berman etc are the first to say that some episodes suck.
Someone needs to buy the Star Trek IP, fire everyone, shut down all projects, declare everything produced from 2009 as non-canon, and start over. Just say the last 15 years have been a Romulan ale induced bad dream.
If Warner brothers does buy out star trek as a whole then what happens when they want to get rid of it?
I think a key point that the host of this video is missing is that Paramount severing all ties with Secret Hideout and not using anything from the "25% Different" shows would be a GOOD THING.
Reset back to the Canon Timeline and jettison all of the Prime Timeline and Kelvin Timeline garbage.
Last item, as a fan since the Seventies, I am a Trekker. "Trekkie" is the derogatory label the media slapped on the fans of the Star Trek.
Shameful that so many have sheepishly accept being branded a "Trekkie."
I think you miss the point that the host of the video sees to want stuff like Strange New Worlds, Lower Decks & Prodigy to continue. That's why he has said before that if an idea like Star Trek Studios was put forth, everything related to Star Trek would go straight to it, including Kurtzman Trek.
I can see it now Superpower Beatdowm :Superman vs the (TOS) U.S,S ENTERPRISE.
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Once upon a time, WB might've been a good fit, but now, no. Keep it in house, and get a better housekeeper.
Fairly certain WB's plan was to trash all of trek for the tax break.
I have no hope in Star Trek. I have no hope in Paramount, WB or Hollywood as a whole. If someone from Hollywood produces something, I might watch it. But no more "rumors" for me. No more Star Trek 4, news. No more anything. Put something out and I might watch it.
Let’s hope this deal goes through and garbage made from 2009 onwards gets erased
You back trekked on your Legacy is being made according to you because they wanted Amazon to flip the bill or 30% of it and they agreed and now you are saying "If" it ever gets made...
Are you a real source or just a click bait fake?
Right now Legacy is still a pipe dream. The man who would be responsible for doing this, Terry Matalas is currently tied up with other projects that he can't share, but if they were to call & say we want you to work on Star Trek, he'd eagerly work on it.
I would have actually preferred if Warner Bros were to have merged with Paramount. skydance has no experience with television.
i hope whoever gets it dumps the woke bs...and goes back to making good fun entertainment that happens to expand peoples perspectives without hitting them over the head with a sledgehammer like they have been. diversity should be something real not reverse racist forced... balance please...
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If they do an academy show they should base it off Jason of Star Command
i remember that show infact i got the dvds of that show and space academy and ark 2
all filmation classics!
I Don't Get Why Lord Doomcock Is Saying that WB did Get Warner Bros, anyway All Hail the Future Ruler of Earth Lord Doomcock.
Well if the plan is to destroy Star Trek, turn it into a parody, they've succeeded beyond their wildest expectations.
I wanted to like the new star treks but it was too woke. Only the third season of Picard felt like the previous shows.
"toxic fanbases" is a false narrative. after all its we the fans who PAY THEIR SALARY. if they want to blame us for their lack of success that's a problem. showing blatant disrespect to your customer base is a good way to go out of business. if it wasn't for the "toxic fanbase" airing all the grievances they had with the newer shows, we wouldn't have gotten the epicly awesome season 3 of picard. and i have never had a problem with the animated offerings. snw is acceptable though i find it mediocre. discovery is the problem show, it lacks any kind of character development, the plot lines feel contrived, it relies too much on mystery boxes full of disappointment. its full of retcons and on top of that we got a crew i wouldn't even trust to run a mcdonalds. its a fine example of how not to run a star trek series.
i also feel like its cheapening the brand to be constantly spitballing shows to see what sticks. id rather they invest in the shows they have, get better writers and make an effort to smooth things over with the fans.
doomcock is reporting that WB wants to buy Star Trek from paramount
If it has a Klingon Boy Band, or people in touch with their feelings instead of doing what they are told - I'm not interested.
If Episode 1, Scene 1 of "whatever" is Kurtzman going out an airlock that would be a good start.
11 minutes spent listening and nothing learned.
Netflix would be loathe to get involved with a Star Trek again after the mess of Discovery.
Paramount will find away to make their priorities to be the same as or equal to anyone like Skydance to Nettles or even Amazon because everything they need for themselves becomes beneficial for all of them. Essentially all parties joining together will become willing bedfellows when money is agreed upon or any agreed trading is needed as they then say to each other his ... If you scratch my back I will do your work because I have the studio spaces to meet your needs!
So many negative comments. I guess your point is made.
Come on. Enough Star Trek and Stargate news. We need Expanse news!!! Kidding…..kind of.
I hope that if paramount and Whom ever they decide to do merger with seriously consider to allow Quentin Tarantino to produce his own Star Trek movie as long as he doesn’t use any franchise established characters. He could create a new crew on a different starship dealing with the Orion syndicate throw in some Klingons and Romulans and maybe even some dangerous green women. Then in future Star Trek productions characters can reference the details of the plot of Tarantino’s film and hopefully maybe Robert Rodriguez will decide to make his own film maybe even related to Tarentino’s film.
I've watched a few of your videos now and they are all almost identical. They same thing rehashed over and over for 'hits'
they were never going to merge
I like idea of Trek/Paramount merging with WB/Max (and even Netflix) because it will be direct counterpart to Disney.....
Trek v Wars
DC v Marvel
Looney Tunes v Disney/Pix.
Netflix documentaries v Nation Geographic
MI v Hulu
I like some Kurtzman stuff like 1st 2 STD seasons & SNE. EXCEPT for LGBTQ in your face. No problem with Spock's sister. Actually hoping Discovery ship comes back to contemporary prime time, stayin6 secret part of s31. Makes sense. I want to see the real universe version of Gabriel Lorca since STD only showed mirror universe version. He could be mainstream OR also s31.
ULTIMATELY Id love Musk or Apple to steal Lucasfilm from Disney & ANYONE get Trek. And use Shatner while he's still alive. Sulu should've gotten his Excelsior movie or series.
So we know nothing, but we hate everything? That's fandom in a nutshell. 😉🤣
Downvoted for calling me "toxic" because I support human rights and oppose racism.
bring back Star Trek Enterprise
WB is HBO+
I am toxic towards Paramount+'s garbage.
Can they save Trek? We'll see (I hope so)
Sell Star Trek to Seth MacFarlane, he's the only person who knows what the hell he's doing. He could make ONE GOOD Star Trek series, kind of a continuation of TNG, or at least in that era. We don't need Strange New Worlds, Lower Drecks, or any of the other crap Secret Hideout has been vomiting out (or will vomit out) the last several years. Take Star Trek AWAY from Alex Klutzman and Secret Hideout.
As a lifelong ST fan, nothing could induce me to watch any more nuTrek -- not Legacy, not SNW, not Starfleet 90210, not Section 31, nothing with Alex Kurtzman's name on it.
I'll only watch a new ST made by people who love Roddenberry's ST and want to make the best fulfilment of his vision.
The only new trek I like is strange new worlds, but even it has problems.
I liked it, briefly. Watched the start of Season 2, but it was crap, so I'm out.
I think your source has also been talking to OverlordDVD (aka #Doomcock) because he has just posted Trek news as well.
Doomcock is still around whining?
@@Roche_Furman Yes, unfortunately.
TNG was syndicated so if you payed you got to air it.
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For me throw any secret hideout peoduction out of the window, don't use anything and just go back to the classics. Why use stuff from Secret Hideout forget it, go back to basics
paramount will never get up its creative direction for star trek.. wb is on its way out ...
The Plan would be to Hire Brannon Bragga and get back to the Classic Star Trek Formula before this J J crap.
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I hate to say this but Star Trek is better in the hands of APPLE
You say a lot of stuff that can't be verified
I have been a Trekkie since the 60's, but alot of this new Trek, I just don't care much for it. I like Picard, mostly the 3rd season, Strange New Worlds is just ok, I hated that awful musical episode they did. I don't like the animated series at all. I have high hopes for ST Legecy, and I will wait and see what they do with Academy if it happens, but I can't see it being very interesting. Overall I have been relatively happy with ST Discovery, looking forward to the final season. Just my opinion.
This will be 10 levels of FAIL deep. 🤣
More Star Trek, G O O D.
More Subscriptions to see More Star Trek, B A D.
Yes, different ST on different services is bad.
Doubtful.
Star Trek has become a heap of “woke” influenced trash. Piss poor writing, a lot of bad acting, amateur directing and few endearing characters.
Whatever WB does to StarTrek one thing is certain. It can’t get any worse. I can’t get excited about any future feature films because the virus that has infected CBS/Paramount will still be front and center. Thank the stars fans can still watch reruns of TOS, DS-9, Next Generation, Voyager, Enterprise and even StarTrek continues.
It's not very gracious or thankful to call the faithful and committed fan base, to the preservation of canon and lore, the toxic ones. If anybody should be called toxic is the ones who created and supported the abominations and bastardizations of Kurtzman Track. For as long as the disrespect and disregard continues toward the fanbase loyal to what Star Trek and the vision of Gene Roddenberry truly was, the continuation of a non to barely profitable Star Track crap universe it will be.
Sadly there is a toxicity to the fanbase in my opinion. The two extremes of opinion. Those that think all new trek is woke and awful and those that think all trek is great even the trek that’s awful.. these two polar views are toxic in different ways but both illicit and anger and venom that is toxic in the fanbase.
@scitrek I agree that both extremes can be problematic, but the new trek has shown to be not profitable and has shown to be what started the divide and anger in the first place. The faster it dies and trek returns to its roots the better.
The saying is: “The customer is always right”; not, “the customer will just accept what we give him/her”.
The failure of Kurtzman’s Picard S1 & 2 but the fan’s revelry for Matalas’ S3 should tell them all they need to know about what kind of Trek fans wanted.
Come on. Enough Star Trek and Stargate news. We need Expanse news!!! Kidding…..kind of.