@johnwillock6787 listen john if you live in Toronto you would know that the raptors and blue jays have a hard time getting free agents . Burns picked a team that that is in the same division as L.A and Sand Diego good luck making the playoffs .
U got that right. We have to change management sign Vlad. Stop wasting time. Other options trade Vlad, Bichette and any veterans. I don't trust management or owners stop wasting time. Show the fans you Care something positive.
100%!!! They have proven they cant put a championship team on the field in spite of deep pockets, once they are fired elite players will consider playing here again... they want to win championships, i dont blame them!
@@johnmackenzie2277 No , if you lived in Toronto the jays are like every team in Toronto, the Raptors can't get anyone. You blame Ross well the golden boy AA had to give Russell Martin the 5th year or he was going somewhere else. He's from Canada. So you would like to go back from 94- 2014 when jays did nothing and finished in the mushy middle?
Yeah, that’s why there’s a thing called making the right trades and drafting players to fill needs, something the Raptors did under Masai in the 2010s. That’s why they won a chip in 2019.
@@Justsumguy461 True! I still remember when Schneider forgot he had already visited the mound and went out there a second time and ended up having to pull the starting pitcher. Just one of many blunders.
I am starting to believe the MLB is a big work. That this whole game is fixed. None of the big east coast teams did anything besides the Mets and Soto this year. I am from Massachusetts and I and other Sox fans are saying the same you guys are. But if you look at the teams on the east coast not much is happening. Even with the Mets picking up Soto they haven't done alot. The Yankees have probably done the most but they got a starter and a reliever and a bat and mostly through trades. The Sox got two starters one by trade and one injured free agent, the Red Sox favorite type of player and a bullpen piece. Baltimore and Tampa haven't done much, the O's got a outfielder that played for us in Boston. The Phillies got a starter and not a major one. The Braves haven't done much. All the players are going out west. MLB has been trying to make the west coast a spot for baseball and now they are getting their wish. I wonder if this is a big plot by MLB to make the west coast a big attraction for baseball. Its odd the biggest baseball periods were when the Sox/Yankees and other teams on the east coast were doing well but MLB has been hyping up and helping the west coast teams and the east coast teams have been sort of villianized.
Pirates fan here… honestly at least you guys are offering big time deals! It seems that most players don’t want the extra money but the control to go closer to home. The Pirates are combing minor league rosters because our leadership is crap
No. 1 person that needs to go is Mark Shapiro. He's the architect of all of this mess. If he goes, all his staff goes also. Firing Atkins & keeping Shapiro does absolutely nothing.
@@Kenneth-nVA I feel for you guys. I am a New Englander and my team is the Red Sox but my football team is the Steelers and I had liked the Pirates when I was a kid and they had great teams Stargell, Parker, Madlock, Tekulve, Ellis, Moose, Sanguillen and many more. What has happened there is sad but you guys cant even do much about it. With the small market and lousy TV deals. I always root for the Pirates.
It wasn't more money if the reporting is correct. 6 yrs at 210million for D'Backs or 8 yrs at 245 years from jays.... so 35 extra on paper but 2 less years. The jays offer isn't a better contract it's 5 million less a year and there's less tax in Arizona as well.
Burnes is off the board, and it's looking like the Dodgers will be getting Santander. The fact that Burnes signed with the DBacks makes it quite clear that he never wanted to go to the Jays. It's also apparent that no star player wants to sign with the Blue Jays, especially without the status of Vlad Jr. and Bichette and the tax implications.
Burnes didn't want to come to Toronto. He lives in Scottsdale, Arizona with his wife and three children in the $500,000 house they bought together in 2022 in which to raise their family. This is the first time in his career that he can choose where he plays. The Blue Jays didn't "miss out" on a player who wanted to be there for his wife and children. This isn't MLB The Show. This is a real human being.
I don’t know how those two clowns in the front office still have a job , work with what you have , not signing Gladdy first mistake and trading really good and young players away second mistake. No one wants to go to a team that’s going to finish last with zero star players
Roger's needs to see this and fire Atkins. Players don't want to play in Toronto when the team is a mess..if they offered more for every player it should tell us something
This⬆️⬆️⬆️ best time was to fire him atleast 2 years ago, next best time is now... vladdy/bo era down the tubes with a total of ZERO postseason wins!!!???? Depressing time to be a jays fan
It's time for the Blue Jays organization to fire Mark Shapiro and Ross Atkins. These guys have failed in their vision for Toronto, and they were hired to bring the Jays a well run organization with a strong farm system using the talented roster they inherented to consistently push for the playoffs. Over 3 years, this should have bought the time needed to produce some young talented players by now, but this hasn't happened. Again, this offseason has proven that these 2 need to go!
"Loss" Shatkins is a pitiful disgrace for a GM. To even call him a General Manager is an insult. All he does is Lose out on every free agent. This is the sad reality the Jays are offering the most money or second most & players still refuse to sign here bc of this ATROCIOUS INCOMPETENT front office. WTF is Rogers doing honestly keeping these two degenerates around? Is Rogers trying to completely give up on the fanbase bc keeping Shapiro & Atkins is pushing Jays fans away in the thousands. The sight of Loss Shatkins makes me want to🤢PUKE🤮!!
2 years ago when they pulled berios in a must win playoff game is when the 2 clowns Atkins Shapiro should of been fired what the hell is ed Rogers thinking these guys are terrible baseball minds they are totally going to run this team in the ground
Funny you blame those 2(I agree they suck) but don’t mention the idiot manager who actually pulled Berrios. He is a HUGE part of the reason players don’t want to come here, but nobody wants to talk about that.
No doubt the manager is to blame as well but Atkins lies to the fans and media that he is all in on top free agents he is full of u know what and Shapiro as well these guys would make great politicians because they lie to the public ed Rogers nèeds to get these guys a 1 way ticket back to Cleveland where they can go ruin their team not are team
That move wasn't that bad. The Biggio bobble is what messed up that move and allowed a run. The Twins pulled two dangerous lefty bats out of their lineup which would've destroyed the Blue Jays garbage righty relievers later in the game. The Blue Jays were going to lose that game either way, due to lack of runs. If you really want to blame someone for that move, it's the Blue Jays analytics department. They saw that Berrios' ERA that season went from 1.41 in the 3rd inning to 5.34 in the 4th inning.
Crazy that you all can't understand that this dude signed with Arizona cause he just moved there and wants to be with his family. This one had nothing to do with management.
Everyone talking about jays making trades but we forget jays have nothing to trade for we have nothing in minors that anyone wants. So rogers has to wake up and realize this franchise is in danger of becoming non competitive with the people they have running it
I'd rather have Kim over Bregman but doubt the Jays get either. Doubt that Flaherty comes here. Looking at Austin Hays, Verdugo, Martinez as hitters. For pitchers, one year flyers like Verlander, Scherzer, Morton.
Burnes has a home in Arizona. As long as he got his price up enough he was going to Arizona this whole time. Maybe the Jays sign Mike Pivetta if he is still available. Good luck.
I think it was pretty obvious he didn’t want to be in Toronto. Perhaps the fact that he lives in Arizona was the deciding factor…you think. As for Teo, I’m not convinced the Jays even wanted him.
It’s shaping up to be a repeat of last offseason where the biggest move will be the Andres Gimenez deal. Then we’ll hear Atkins come out and say they are happy with our roster and expect improvements from within. Not having Vladdy or Bo locked up long term is hurting them. If Vladdy was signed, then the chances would have been higher that Teo would return to Toronto but having that uncertainty swayed his decision to go back to the Dodgers. I have a gut feeling that the way the negotiations with Vladdy are going is identical to how the last two offseasons have gone. Publicly state they want the player back and say they will do what they can to get him resigned. However, privately take a slow patient approach that is probably frustrating Vladdy and his agent. I hope Rogers Communications wakes up and realizes that actions speak louder than words and this is a results driven business. An aging core, weak farm system and home grown stars that are pending FAs equals another 5th Place finish in the AL East
I have nothing against you guys but you two guys are the problem. You have made hundreds of videos and they were all a waste of time . Not one thing you talked about have happened . Everyone knows nobody likes Atkins . Take some time off and wait until they actually do something .
Not a surprise. Burnes was only using the Jays to bump his pay elsewhere. The Jays need to make some trades. Bichette has to be sold. Also they should've never been in on the Mets' over pay. They should've just signed Vladdy and kept it moving.
To be smacked with the Bob Nightengale tweet saying he declined Toronto cause of tax, that’s what broke me. I’m so not putting up with this Jays team next season. You won’t see me watching a single game.
Just reading thru the comments and I agree with most of you. Almost everyone sees the incompetence from the team of Adkins and Shapiro and any future growth with this team starts with dumping their asses. No one is signing with the Jays because they and their agents see the failures of management and the players desire to win championships will not be served by signing with the Jays.
Oh, and keep in mind, signing these big deals costs about 35% more with the difference with U.S. vs. Canadian funds. It's an economic challenge for the Jays right now too!
Here's a thought. Develop your own talent. The Jays have never had a decent developmental team in their organization. Their scouts SUCK. Their coaches SUCK. Their training system SUCKS. It's time for a total revamp.
hi guys jays will not go anywhere next year but they will be the highest beer sellers as they have ten bars but no players ps no one wants to play for a losing team period
i hate to say it but the Jays are turning into the Expos with the current management "running" the team. they've got to do something from the top, then work their way down before anything positive can be done on the field. i'm really sorry, but thats my biggest fear with them.
who wants to sign with Toronto when they can't even sign their star player Vladdy time to get rid of the front office they spend all their money renovating their building, the game is played on the field, not in the stands good luck filling up the building.
I think you guys are missing the point, it’s the tax structure in Canada that players want to avoid players don’t want to deal with it if there are other options. You’re leaning on roster as a problem it’s not the roster alone.
We are seeing more players wanting to play closer to home. Chapman, Burns, Stripling, Votto. Some say Ohtani liked LA cuz it's close to Japan. Maybe Jays need to find players where Canada is close to home.
It is clearly obvious that star players in the league don't trust this front office for whatever reason. Vlady not signed Bo situation still up in the air 🤷
It’s pretty simple Jon Heyman said it last year after the Ohatani saga, players don’t want to come to Toronto. Jays are going to need to overpay a lot and sign some bad contracts just to get players to agree.
I agree. Why would players wanna sign with us when our core is done after this season. So they need to give Vladdy what he wants. Extend him ASAP! 525m 14 years. If players know that we have a star player for the next 10 years, maybe they’ll be interested in signing with us.
These corporate jerks managing the team, the Shapiro-Atkins failed combo, have doomed the Jays to be the Pittsburgh Pirates if they're lucky because when fans stop showing up to watch a perennial loser they could go defunct and be forced to move. Players obviously don't like these guys and a directionless team. If you are losing it's exacerbated further with an inept hitting squad and no hope, it's a snooze. They've gone from a hitting juggernaut to being excited for 3 or 4 runs. Who wants to pitch with a demand for perfection every outing. Thanks to their horrible, short-sighted management, poor farm system, emphasis on building an extravagant Dunedin complex, exorbitant stadium renovations, and a cheapskate and defensive approach with players including re-signing their core, the Blue Jays are being locked-in to terminal failure and ridicule.
Full rebuild time... Trade them all (SP, Bo, Vladdy, etc.) Get handful of c list FAs to fill out the roster until some of the prospects come up mid season. Trade them at the dead line. Sure it'll be tough selling tickets locally, but with the USD so strong, there should be some good away team fan action from the US filling up the seats. Want to keep Vlad (Peter option), sure, but offer him 500M today and tell him the plan.
This is the FAFO point for Shartkins. They made this mess, destroyed the Jays organization, unfortunately we are the ones suffering for it. Hopefully a good thing comes out of it. Rogers needs to grow a set of balls and turf the front office for these multiple failures.
I'm ok with Burnes being off the table. We were not going to score enough runs for him anyways and he was not our #1 need. This off season is a total loss without touching the offence and I do believe I am going to skip the 2025 Blue Jays movie next year. It is very very difficult to like this team anymore. The biggest move this team could make if firing the upper management! Not sure how Rogers just sits back and allows all of this to happen. I guess it doesn't help when nobody wants to sign here no matter the money. Too bad the farm system is horrible because that was their only hope moving forward.
How is anyone surprised that no competitive players want to join the sinking ship that is the Blue Jays? The farm system is depleted. The two biggest stars of the team are probably walking away or getting traded this year. A ton of other contracts are expiring, and the fan base hates the front office.
It's the management, I doubt anyone will sign without committing to Vladdy and/or Bo. They are not running a baseball organization. from the farm system, prospects, drafting etc.
Trading for 1 year of control on a closer is a sign of desperation and another reason to fire Atkins. Waiving Romano was another mistake made by this incompetent front office.
The word is out that the Jays don't have their house in order. Who would sign here for anytime frame when their two best players could be gone next year. Willing to spend $700m on Ohtani but pinching pennies on their home grown talent. Good thing they spent all that money on the stadium, a stadium that will be pretty empty around July.
Not getting Vlad signed before this year was an arrogant move by this front office and it's going to devastate this team for the next 4-5 yrs. If they don't fire Atkins today, it could be even longer. The Toronto Blue Jays are becoming a laughing stock under these two.
Don’t Atkins and Shapiro ever think maybe nobody wants to sign with the Blue Jays because of how poorly and insultingly they have been dealing with the Vlad Jr situation?
Burnes wasn't the right signing for the Jays. We need a bat(s). Quality SP like Flaherty, Pivetta (QO), Quintana, Verlander, Scherzer, Morton, & even Kershaw make way more sense for the Jays. There aren't many teams with $$ left, which is the only way the Jays were going to get a top FA anyways. They could get 1 of Santander, Alonso or Bregman, plus hopefully 1 of Profar or Ha-Seong Kim. Add that to 1 of the SP's mentioned & another depth RP & it's a great FA for the Jays.
Another wasted off season.....and continuing. When the Jays can not appear to have a winning future, what player would want to come here. Lots of good points in this video on why they can not get anyone to come here.
Location seems to be key for these star players and nothing to do with how good or bad our team is. I don't like Shatkins either, but they tried throwing a bundle of money at them. I suppose they'll have to work out trades so they won't have to cater to all the wims and desires of these precious millionaires.
Also the jays didn't offer the most money, he signed for 6 yrs 210M. If report is true that jays offered 8yrs at 245M that is the most money in terms of AAV. It's only more on paper. Less tax less years in Arizona he's making more there than he would as a jay
Until they change management nobody go to sign with the Jay's. When Ross has the team in a mess. Have to show your team is good sign Vlad and Bichette. Or rebuild trade both start rebuild. Sign yong players to long term deals even if you have to over pay at the beginning long run you save money. Then you show you believe in the young guys. The odd players will get hurt or not turn out . But nobody is going to sign here. When the team is in bad shape and they don't think Vlad going to stay. When other team's offers may be less but taxes make a difference plus they want to win. No chance that happens without Vlad.
Americans don’t want to play Canada if they have a market in the US. I don’t know why you act surprised? The Jays need to manage their franchise by developing young talent and trading it before FA for good prospects similar to the Brewers, Rays, Royals, etc. Signing Santander is the dumbest move ever, when will you learn. And as far as fans turning out to games, winning builds attendance long term, not signing a middle of the pack MLB’er and then having a losing season.
No one of note coming to toronto..super stars one yr left..no farm system of note..really think pulling berros out of playoff start 2 yrs ago doesnt help..players around league see this must think why do i want to come to toronto..have management run a team like this
575/10 year. 50 million signing bonus ( fl resident i think) opt out after 3 and 5 years. Escalators would bring to 600-625 - yes beating a dead horse of signing vlad. Everyday they lose out the price goes up. The Escalators are high as I am guessing lol
No way. Teo AND Burnes. Who could have predicted this? Oh yeah, all of us.
Except guys doing this video. 🤣
@johnwillock6787 listen john if you live in Toronto you would know that the raptors and blue jays have a hard time getting free agents . Burns picked a team that that is in the same division as L.A and Sand Diego good luck making the playoffs .
@ is Burlington close enough?
U got that right. We have to change management sign Vlad. Stop wasting time. Other options trade Vlad, Bichette and any veterans. I don't trust management or owners stop wasting time. Show the fans you Care something positive.
Hey before the end of next year, you’ll have a bag of prospects for trading Vladdy!!
Jays management is just a joke they're getting nobody
Doesn’t help when players don’t want to come to Canada because of taxes.
@@a18yearoldonyoutubeluigiblame the federal government
@@Andrew-nu4hi blame both.
@@Andrew-nu4hithe elected federal govt?
Nah Shatkins couldn't sign shit
Don’t you think Atkins and Shapiro are the problem,every Jays fan see it but you two guys
100%!!! They have proven they cant put a championship team on the field in spite of deep pockets, once they are fired elite players will consider playing here again... they want to win championships, i dont blame them!
Don’t forget the dunce of a manager.
@@jamest8967 He's going to the division of L.A and Sand Diego good luck winning the division.
@@johnmackenzie2277 No , if you lived in Toronto the jays are like every team in Toronto, the Raptors can't get anyone. You blame Ross well the golden boy AA had to give Russell Martin the 5th year or he was going somewhere else. He's from Canada. So you would like to go back from 94- 2014 when jays did nothing and finished in the mushy middle?
Yeah, that’s why there’s a thing called making the right trades and drafting players to fill needs, something the Raptors did under Masai in the 2010s. That’s why they won a chip in 2019.
Last place team again. Show management how much you appreciate Atkins and stay home.
This management is useless should have been fired years ago
I think the word is out on this management. No one wants to deal with atkins or shapiro.
Or play for a dunce of a manager, don’t forget who makes day to day decisions for the team on the field
@@Justsumguy461 True! I still remember when Schneider forgot he had already visited the mound and went out there a second time and ended up having to pull the starting pitcher. Just one of many blunders.
The Jay's front office needs to be fired and fans needs to stop going to the games if they don't sign any good players
I am starting to believe the MLB is a big work. That this whole game is fixed. None of the big east coast teams did anything besides the Mets and Soto this year. I am from Massachusetts and I and other Sox fans are saying the same you guys are. But if you look at the teams on the east coast not much is happening. Even with the Mets picking up Soto they haven't done alot. The Yankees have probably done the most but they got a starter and a reliever and a bat and mostly through trades. The Sox got two starters one by trade and one injured free agent, the Red Sox favorite type of player and a bullpen piece. Baltimore and Tampa haven't done much, the O's got a outfielder that played for us in Boston. The Phillies got a starter and not a major one. The Braves haven't done much. All the players are going out west. MLB has been trying to make the west coast a spot for baseball and now they are getting their wish. I wonder if this is a big plot by MLB to make the west coast a big attraction for baseball. Its odd the biggest baseball periods were when the Sox/Yankees and other teams on the east coast were doing well but MLB has been hyping up and helping the west coast teams and the east coast teams have been sort of villianized.
Pirates fan here… honestly at least you guys are offering big time deals! It seems that most players don’t want the extra money but the control to go closer to home. The Pirates are combing minor league rosters because our leadership is crap
No. 1 person that needs to go is Mark Shapiro. He's the architect of all of this mess. If he goes, all his staff goes also. Firing Atkins & keeping Shapiro does absolutely nothing.
@@TheEWFX29it’s because of the Japanese market
@@Kenneth-nVA I feel for you guys. I am a New Englander and my team is the Red Sox but my football team is the Steelers and I had liked the Pirates when I was a kid and they had great teams Stargell, Parker, Madlock, Tekulve, Ellis, Moose, Sanguillen and many more. What has happened there is sad but you guys cant even do much about it. With the small market and lousy TV deals. I always root for the Pirates.
Lmao, Jays offered more money and Burnes basically just laughed at the front office and state of the team.
It wasn't more money if the reporting is correct. 6 yrs at 210million for D'Backs or 8 yrs at 245 years from jays.... so 35 extra on paper but 2 less years. The jays offer isn't a better contract it's 5 million less a year and there's less tax in Arizona as well.
He literally lives 30 minutes away from the Arizona stadium
Burnes and his wife intend to raise their three children in Scottsdale, AZ. Family is more important than a few extra dollars for some people.
So bad. Tear it down asap with trade of berrios, gauz and bassist along with Bo and vlad and complete rebuild. This sucks.
Don't make any moves until you fire the morons that caused the demise of this team. Letting them orchestrate the rebuild would be disastrous.
@@DarkJediForcewell said
Burnes is off the board, and it's looking like the Dodgers will be getting Santander. The fact that Burnes signed with the DBacks makes it quite clear that he never wanted to go to the Jays. It's also apparent that no star player wants to sign with the Blue Jays, especially without the status of Vlad Jr. and Bichette and the tax implications.
Exactly. Burnes and his wife bought an expensive house in Scottsdale, AZ in 2022 and intend to raise their three children there.
When is Mr Rogers going to finally realize that NOBODY wants to deal with Shapiro and especially Atkins.
Rogers will realize it when he sees NO fans going to the home games
Rogers realizes it and is fine hiding behind Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dumber
Colette Watson, head of Rogers Sports & Entertainment, is in charge of hiring and firing Shapiro's job position.
@ And? Does she not work for Rogers?
@@laura-leez She might might need to be canned, too.
Burnes didn't want to come to Toronto. He lives in Scottsdale, Arizona with his wife and three children in the $500,000 house they bought together in 2022 in which to raise their family. This is the first time in his career that he can choose where he plays.
The Blue Jays didn't "miss out" on a player who wanted to be there for his wife and children. This isn't MLB The Show. This is a real human being.
We have nothing.. Jays are doomed to the basement of AL east for a very long time.
Not true. They will relocate within 5 years.
@@scottnewton9060i hope that’s an attempt at satire
Destruction of Dollar by Libs, makes mgmt look even worse
Ross has got to go and Nick has to go back to bed.
I don’t know how those two clowns in the front office still have a job , work with what you have , not signing Gladdy first mistake and trading really good and young players away second mistake. No one wants to go to a team that’s going to finish last with zero star players
Wild. People don't wanna come here cause they see we ain't going anywhere. Sad times.
Honestly I don’t blame them, I have no idea what this team is doing and we SHOULD be rebuilding, but our management has to win now to save their jobs
Arizona ain’t going anywhere either.
@@justinspringer8699 He lives near the stadium already that's why he went there for less money.
Burnes simply wants to be in Arizona to raise his three children with his wife.
Roger's needs to see this and fire Atkins. Players don't want to play in Toronto when the team is a mess..if they offered more for every player it should tell us something
This⬆️⬆️⬆️ best time was to fire him atleast 2 years ago, next best time is now... vladdy/bo era down the tubes with a total of ZERO postseason wins!!!???? Depressing time to be a jays fan
It's time for the Blue Jays organization to fire Mark Shapiro and Ross Atkins. These guys have failed in their vision for Toronto, and they were hired to bring the Jays a well run organization with a strong farm system using the talented roster they inherented to consistently push for the playoffs. Over 3 years, this should have bought the time needed to produce some young talented players by now, but this hasn't happened. Again, this offseason has proven that these 2 need to go!
So time to break out the brown paper bags...
Pretty much
Yesterday, you said the Jays were close to signing him. You are still o for...on your FA predictions.
Season is in the tank ! And Vlad and Bo will be gone too
Why would anyone attend
Time to think that the problem is not the Blue Jays but maybe Ross Atkins
"Loss" Shatkins is a pitiful disgrace for a GM. To even call him a General Manager is an insult.
All he does is Lose out on every free agent.
This is the sad reality the Jays are offering the most money or second most & players still refuse to sign here bc of this ATROCIOUS INCOMPETENT front office.
WTF is Rogers doing honestly keeping these two degenerates around?
Is Rogers trying to completely give up on the fanbase bc keeping Shapiro & Atkins is pushing Jays fans away in the thousands.
The sight of Loss Shatkins makes me want to🤢PUKE🤮!!
Burnes was simply a case of him wanting to be there for his wife and kids. They bought a house in Scottsdale, AZ in 2022.
2 years ago when they pulled berios in a must win playoff game is when the 2 clowns Atkins Shapiro should of been fired what the hell is ed Rogers thinking these guys are terrible baseball minds they are totally going to run this team in the ground
Funny you blame those 2(I agree they suck) but don’t mention the idiot manager who actually pulled Berrios. He is a HUGE part of the reason players don’t want to come here, but nobody wants to talk about that.
No doubt the manager is to blame as well but Atkins lies to the fans and media that he is all in on top free agents he is full of u know what and Shapiro as well these guys would make great politicians because they lie to the public ed Rogers nèeds to get these guys a 1 way ticket back to Cleveland where they can go ruin their team not are team
That move wasn't that bad. The Biggio bobble is what messed up that move and allowed a run. The Twins pulled two dangerous lefty bats out of their lineup which would've destroyed the Blue Jays garbage righty relievers later in the game. The Blue Jays were going to lose that game either way, due to lack of runs.
If you really want to blame someone for that move, it's the Blue Jays analytics department. They saw that Berrios' ERA that season went from 1.41 in the 3rd inning to 5.34 in the 4th inning.
Crazy that you all can't understand that this dude signed with Arizona cause he just moved there and wants to be with his family. This one had nothing to do with management.
This page needs to stop trolling they own fans. Toronto was never in the hunt for any of these free agents
I can't wait for the Ross Atkins "I believe in this team and will get better after a down year " speech. Fire shipiro and Atkins
I am not going to a game this year. I am done with these fools.
Good Lad. Getting up early to report heartbreaking news. I can only remain optimistic of what's to come. Thanks for sharing.
Everyone talking about jays making trades but we forget jays have nothing to trade for we have nothing in minors that anyone wants. So rogers has to wake up and realize this franchise is in danger of becoming non competitive with the people they have running it
We all know jays management will do nothing ..
Well, goes to show what the so-called "experts" actually know...which is nothing more than anyone else!
I'd rather have Kim over Bregman but doubt the Jays get either. Doubt that Flaherty comes here. Looking at Austin Hays, Verdugo, Martinez as hitters. For pitchers, one year flyers like Verlander, Scherzer, Morton.
The Toronto Leverages.
Burnes has a home in Arizona. As long as he got his price up enough he was going to Arizona this whole time. Maybe the Jays sign Mike Pivetta if he is still available. Good luck.
I think it was pretty obvious he didn’t want to be in Toronto. Perhaps the fact that he lives in Arizona was the deciding factor…you think. As for Teo, I’m not convinced the Jays even wanted him.
Burnes didn't go home he went to the Arizona he's originally from California
he lives in Arizona, making it "his home". any more brilliant comments for the day?
It’s shaping up to be a repeat of last offseason where the biggest move will be the Andres Gimenez deal. Then we’ll hear Atkins come out and say they are happy with our roster and expect improvements from within. Not having Vladdy or Bo locked up long term is hurting them. If Vladdy was signed, then the chances would have been higher that Teo would return to Toronto but having that uncertainty swayed his decision to go back to the Dodgers. I have a gut feeling that the way the negotiations with Vladdy are going is identical to how the last two offseasons have gone. Publicly state they want the player back and say they will do what they can to get him resigned. However, privately take a slow patient approach that is probably frustrating Vladdy and his agent. I hope Rogers Communications wakes up and realizes that actions speak louder than words and this is a results driven business. An aging core, weak farm system and home grown stars that are pending FAs equals another 5th Place finish in the AL East
I have nothing against you guys but you two guys are the problem. You have made hundreds of videos and they were all a waste of time . Not one thing you talked about have happened . Everyone knows nobody likes Atkins . Take some time off and wait until they actually do something .
Not a surprise. Burnes was only using the Jays to bump his pay elsewhere. The Jays need to make some trades. Bichette has to be sold. Also they should've never been in on the Mets' over pay. They should've just signed Vladdy and kept it moving.
We're headed towards a long rebuild. We have to accept this. Just like the raptors are in now.
Daniel Vogelbauch should be doable..offer him 20 mill he might sign back lol
Rowdy Tellez is a free agent this offseason.
Maybe just Maybe these guys don't want to play in Canada or Toronto.
Might have helped if they signed their own first
Just proves that nobody wants to play in Toronto
To be smacked with the Bob Nightengale tweet saying he declined Toronto cause of tax, that’s what broke me. I’m so not putting up with this Jays team next season. You won’t see me watching a single game.
Nightengale is a joke. Burnes and his wife bought a house in Scottsdale, AZ and intend to raise their family there.
@@Dulcimerist that actually would be a better reason. I’d want to raise my family in a place that I’d think is best for them too.
Just reading thru the comments and I agree with most of you. Almost everyone sees the incompetence from the team of Adkins and Shapiro and any future growth with this team starts with dumping their asses. No one is signing with the Jays because they and their agents see the failures of management and the players desire to win championships will not be served by signing with the Jays.
Oh, and keep in mind, signing these big deals costs about 35% more with the difference with U.S. vs. Canadian funds. It's an economic challenge for the Jays right now too!
Here's a thought. Develop your own talent. The Jays have never had a decent developmental team in their organization. Their scouts SUCK. Their coaches SUCK. Their training system SUCKS. It's time for a total revamp.
hi guys jays will not go anywhere next year but they will be the highest beer sellers as they have ten bars but no players ps no one wants to play for a losing team period
Jays are about to enter a very dark time, Vladdy is gone next year, Bo is gone and itll be a while until theyre contenders again
Wait.... wait.... what happened to all those rumors that it was between San Fran and Toronto??? LMFAO
i hate to say it but the Jays are turning into the Expos with the current management "running" the team. they've got to do something from the top, then work their way down before anything positive can be done on the field. i'm really sorry, but thats my biggest fear with them.
Well, time for a full rebuild.
who wants to sign with Toronto when they can't even sign their star player Vladdy time to get rid of the front office they spend all their money renovating their building, the game is played on the field, not in the stands good luck filling up the building.
I think you guys are missing the point, it’s the tax structure in Canada that players want to avoid players don’t want to deal with it if there are other options. You’re leaning on roster as a problem it’s not the roster alone.
They might as well tank next year
We are seeing more players wanting to play closer to home. Chapman, Burns, Stripling, Votto. Some say Ohtani liked LA cuz it's close to Japan. Maybe Jays need to find players where Canada is close to home.
Maybe now you can stop with your bullshit headlines.
As a fan, I would rather they reset this properly then try to do all this patchwork. Front office has shown they are not capable of running this team.
EVERYONE except you and PeTear new this but thanks for the update🤦♂️
I'm sorry there going down and unfortunately that means u as well rip my friend
Ok…the Elephant in the Room…..No American wants to move to Canada….one word…Canastan.
Don’t be an idiot
No wonder you're grumpy.
next level , go jays go , to the core
It is clearly obvious that star players in the league don't trust this front office for whatever reason. Vlady not signed Bo situation still up in the air 🤷
It’s pretty simple Jon Heyman said it last year after the Ohatani saga, players don’t want to come to Toronto. Jays are going to need to overpay a lot and sign some bad contracts just to get players to agree.
I have a question? Why are you even surprised?
The players have spoken out against the Jay's. Now the fans need to speak out. The front office has been a botchfest for years.
I agree. Why would players wanna sign with us when our core is done after this season. So they need to give Vladdy what he wants. Extend him ASAP! 525m 14 years. If players know that we have a star player for the next 10 years, maybe they’ll be interested in signing with us.
Teoscar signed with the Dodgers too
These corporate jerks managing the team, the Shapiro-Atkins failed combo, have doomed the Jays to be the Pittsburgh Pirates if they're lucky because when fans stop showing up to watch a perennial loser they could go defunct and be forced to move. Players obviously don't like these guys and a directionless team. If you are losing it's exacerbated further with an inept hitting squad and no hope, it's a snooze. They've gone from a hitting juggernaut to being excited for 3 or 4 runs. Who wants to pitch with a demand for perfection every outing. Thanks to their horrible, short-sighted management, poor farm system, emphasis on building an extravagant Dunedin complex, exorbitant stadium renovations, and a cheapskate and defensive approach with players including re-signing their core, the Blue Jays are being locked-in to terminal failure and ridicule.
Try for Santander, Pivetta, Tanner Scott. Still options
Santander is close to signing with the Dodgers.
Not a chance.
They'll end up signing Rowdy Tellez.
Full rebuild time... Trade them all (SP, Bo, Vladdy, etc.)
Get handful of c list FAs to fill out the roster until some of the prospects come up mid season. Trade them at the dead line.
Sure it'll be tough selling tickets locally, but with the USD so strong, there should be some good away team fan action from the US filling up the seats.
Want to keep Vlad (Peter option), sure, but offer him 500M today and tell him the plan.
This is the FAFO point for Shartkins. They made this mess, destroyed the Jays organization, unfortunately we are the ones suffering for it. Hopefully a good thing comes out of it. Rogers needs to grow a set of balls and turf the front office for these multiple failures.
I'm ok with Burnes being off the table. We were not going to score enough runs for him anyways and he was not our #1 need. This off season is a total loss without touching the offence and I do believe I am going to skip the 2025 Blue Jays movie next year. It is very very difficult to like this team anymore. The biggest move this team could make if firing the upper management! Not sure how Rogers just sits back and allows all of this to happen. I guess it doesn't help when nobody wants to sign here no matter the money. Too bad the farm system is horrible because that was their only hope moving forward.
How is anyone surprised that no competitive players want to join the sinking ship that is the Blue Jays? The farm system is depleted. The two biggest stars of the team are probably walking away or getting traded this year. A ton of other contracts are expiring, and the fan base hates the front office.
Without Vladdy signed, Jays have NO chance. Who would come???
It's the management, I doubt anyone will sign without committing to Vladdy and/or Bo. They are not running a baseball organization. from the farm system, prospects, drafting etc.
Trading for 1 year of control on a closer is a sign of desperation and another reason to fire Atkins. Waiving Romano was another mistake made by this incompetent front office.
Arizona has a much better tax situation that California or Ontario so Burnes keeps more of his money.
Huge parks out there too. AL east won't be a fun place to pitch this year
I mean, it’s just that simple. Players want money. With taxes, the Arizona deal is more money even though the Jays offered “more”.
Burnes and his wife bought a house in Scottsdale, AZ in 2022 and intend to raise their three children there.
The word is out that the Jays don't have their house in order. Who would sign here for anytime frame when their two best players could be gone next year. Willing to spend $700m on Ohtani but pinching pennies on their home grown talent. Good thing they spent all that money on the stadium, a stadium that will be pretty empty around July.
Not only does the management suck but ownership clearly doesn't care either as they chose to keep these two clowns around
Not getting Vlad signed before this year was an arrogant move by this front office and it's going to devastate this team for the next 4-5 yrs. If they don't fire Atkins today, it could be even longer. The Toronto Blue Jays are becoming a laughing stock under these two.
Don’t Atkins and Shapiro ever think maybe nobody wants to sign with the Blue Jays because of how poorly and insultingly they have been dealing with the Vlad Jr situation?
What about Pete Alonso then move Vlad to third then sign Santander
My gosh. Are you Dumb ,blind or both??? NOBODY WANTS TO SIGN HERE.
He know yankees division east on again in 2025, that's why he not goes to blue jays. He go to new team Arizona now !! In NL west !
Who wants to play in Canada or even live here when the taxes are so high
Burnes wasn't the right signing for the Jays. We need a bat(s). Quality SP like Flaherty, Pivetta (QO), Quintana, Verlander, Scherzer, Morton, & even Kershaw make way more sense for the Jays. There aren't many teams with $$ left, which is the only way the Jays were going to get a top FA anyways. They could get 1 of Santander, Alonso or Bregman, plus hopefully 1 of Profar or Ha-Seong Kim. Add that to 1 of the SP's mentioned & another depth RP & it's a great FA for the Jays.
Another wasted off season.....and continuing. When the Jays can not appear to have a winning future, what player would want to come here. Lots of good points in this video on why they can not get anyone to come here.
You convinced me to unsubscribe! Why bother?
Location seems to be key for these star players and nothing to do with how good or bad our team is. I don't like Shatkins either, but they tried throwing a bundle of money at them. I suppose they'll have to work out trades so they won't have to cater to all the wims and desires of these precious millionaires.
Also the jays didn't offer the most money, he signed for 6 yrs 210M. If report is true that jays offered 8yrs at 245M that is the most money in terms of AAV. It's only more on paper. Less tax less years in Arizona he's making more there than he would as a jay
Being near his home in Scottsdale, AZ for his wife and three kids as they raise their family was more important than the taxes.
Until they change management nobody go to sign with the Jay's. When Ross has the team in a mess. Have to show your team is good sign Vlad and Bichette. Or rebuild trade both start rebuild. Sign yong players to long term deals even if you have to over pay at the beginning long run you save money. Then you show you believe in the young guys. The odd players will get hurt or not turn out . But nobody is going to sign here. When the team is in bad shape and they don't think Vlad going to stay. When other team's offers may be less but taxes make a difference plus they want to win. No chance that happens without Vlad.
Americans don’t want to play Canada if they have a market in the US. I don’t know why you act surprised? The Jays need to manage their franchise by developing young talent and trading it before FA for good prospects similar to the Brewers, Rays, Royals, etc. Signing Santander is the dumbest move ever, when will you learn. And as far as fans turning out to games, winning builds attendance long term, not signing a middle of the pack MLB’er and then having a losing season.
Rogers wake up and get new direction. Atkins is a loser.
No one of note coming to toronto..super stars one yr left..no farm system of note..really think pulling berros out of playoff start 2 yrs ago doesnt help..players around league see this must think why do i want to come to toronto..have management run a team like this
575/10 year. 50 million signing bonus ( fl resident i think) opt out after 3 and 5 years. Escalators would bring to 600-625 - yes beating a dead horse of signing vlad. Everyday they lose out the price goes up. The Escalators are high as I am guessing lol
No one joining the Jays, except in a trade. No players want to play for such a dysfunctional organization.
Knew it…… completely a joke the jays are the worst team in baseball not even fun to watch
Dbacks are a great team, atkins helped make that so
That's the thing they keep waiting someone Else scoops these guys it's not like they have no money I just don't get it