I am coming to Oklahoma and going to immerse myself in the ways of the Creek Nation. My great Grandmothers tribe and to help in reclaiming the land through out the south for the Five Civilised tribes. I feel I owe it to the people of the tribes. Marcus
I think the Creek people moving back to Alabama is a great thing. Not by force but by purchasing the land if possible. We’ve had enough violence and taking it by force is impossible. My 3rd great grandfather fought Andrew Jackson. He was Chief Menawa.
those of us in the west await eagerly to welcome the tribes of Oklahoma back home to the carolinas, georgia, alabama and mississippi. they should have never been made to leave
there were many that never left but laid low & assimilated. my grandfather was full creek, lower alabama porch creek band, he spoke mvskoke. married an irish woman and had a bunch of mixed children. this is our American story.
It's important, when teaching Creek Muskogee history, that we mention and acknowledge enslaved Africans who traveled the Trail Of Tears with Native Americans , and in many cases intermarried, interbred(I have half african/half Native ancestors)and engrained into Native tribes. I'm a product of that history. Afro Natives exist and we should be inclusive when mentioning these things...we feel erased from the bit of what the tribe has been able to preserve. There has been changes in Creek Nation for Afro Creek people, but there is still room for improvement.
in particular the Gullah Muscogee who later became known as the seminoles were fiercely brave. and they fought on even when everyone forgot they were still in the everglades.
Found my 3rd great grandfather’s census records showing he was a part of the Muskogee Creek Tribe. I always knew my 2nd great grandmother grew up on a reservation but did not know which tribe until a few years ago.
That can be made in another video our history in regards to the black community this video is about centering us rn which we hardly ever get to do in this country, I used to be black power but not anymore i see where my true loyalties lie now. Indian power!
No disrespect for your intended presentation, but we are NOT Indians 🇮🇳. We are Creek or Mvscogee people. Let the Indians be Indians, and we be our own tribes and/or nations people.
@@garyp1930 they vary a lot. race mixing happened over the last 500 years of colonialism so much that many muscogee look white or black. the original creek were brownish skinned and with straight hair (although many southeastern tribal meal shaved parts of their head).
The Muscogee Indians are from Ga. and Alabama. At one point in time they managed this land. Indians of any kind do not believe "ownership" is the idea. They believe respect for the land is predominant. This is true of any person that is
land was collectively owned by the tribe, certain tribes did control and "own" hunting grounds and village plazas. their ideas of land ownership were not old-world in nature but there was indeed an agknowlegment that certain land beyond to certain tribal nations/towns
Good stuff. My Dad was Cherokee and while doing research, his 2nd grandmother, which I had some about her, learned that of course she was native but that she was very possible Creek. Nice find. Her name was Mariah Gilmore. Her second father in law was Conkey. He took the name John Gilmore. Very proud of my heritage.
Just found out last night 06/14/2021 I'm apart of the tribe threw my great grandfather that was in Tulsa an gained citizenship in 1901 with documents ,, it made me proud, sad an hurt so I'm gonna turn into the alchemist & transmute that energy 💓😌💓
Hi there! My name is beau-garrett:.of the Muskogee creek nation. Who might I speak with to offer what has been on my heart for years now to help the growth of the MCN?
Hello. Keep learning. That's what I've been doing. My 3rd great grandmother was Creek and not sure if she was Cherokee or something else. Her name was Mariah Gilmore. Her maiden was Gooch. Keep learning!
Truly about time the mention about Alabama and Georgia Creeks, the original home lands as well as Florida. We were displaced to Oklahoma it's not our homeland. I and my family never left Alabama we lived at Oneonta not making the deadly walk on the trail of tears.
Im an creek descendant.. ani-agusu ..our surname in troup county.. infact alot of ppl in the area had surnames like hatche, atche, hatchi in the late 18th century. Later changed to atkinson etc.. hatche in muskogee Language means creek/ or stream
Some people are trying to make it about race, it's about the truth being told. It's about the rightful owners now being a mixed people. We ain't going no where and we won't let Minister Farrakhan make it about race. It's about those who have the claims, that is where we respectively disagree. Regarding Farad Muhammed & Elijah Muhammed's plan. For land claims. It's unnecessary, please read below. Our numbers are being misreported, we are a far more sizeable Confederation than is being reported. Most are still on the land and the tribes in Oklahoma need only decide to be home and communally share the land. Person by person we can repurchase and reappropriate the land back to the tribe. Marcus Dwayne Boyd Jackson Blackman Gonzalez Yes there's a whole lot of other names in between but Great Grandmother Mary Ann Boyd's claim is both pre Dawes and DNA backed.
I truely understand all afro /native people and the compassion of each you when you know what your gg parents with and the indigenous people of all people know's what it felt like to be invisible but peace between the nation must be establish frist between the tribes because if cause division then they've won But not really bc im seeing them given land back_ that's victory.
@@bambam5130 true, and no offense to you in personally or in particular but... McIntosh kind of had that coming when he signed over the last of the Muscogee lands in Georgia. he knew they were going to kill him, it was part of the muscogee constituition that giving away more land would be met with death. although McIntosh wasn't solely at fault, the whole removal was a national disaster in which we all made horrible mistakes
We were enslaved ourselves, 100 to one compared to the African. There is a mix, but not the percentage that you claim. It was small, as the African Meztizo is only 1.4 of the population in Mexico, a country of over 130 million. The USA likes to talk it up like it's Africa, but the African Meztizo in South America, is maybe 20 percent. South America is a big ass continent. They are concentrated in certain areas. Brazil has a lot of Black Mestizos, but they are NOTHING like the USA blacks. Frankly, it seems that the African Meztizo in Mexico and South America, are more socially educated, more noble and refined. They are not even in the same ballpark. The Brizilians r our sisters and brothers, they have a good relationship with Mexico and their neighbors. In fact a lot of Mexican, South America Africans reject the USA African Americans. They say they just wanna turn paisanos against paisano over skin color. It's to forgein for them.
Amazing how in most of these videos the people speaking and negotiating look like and resemble the same Europeans our ancestors fought so hard against to preserve our lands and traditions.Guess we all look like the Cherokee now lol
True, but they were part of the same Mississippian derived cultural continuum that also existed in Oklahoma. the Muscogee were a confederacy of former mississippian tribes that ruled Coosa, Etowah and Ocmulgee and several towns in alabama like Taskeegee and Tuskaloosa, in which the Abihkas were the "main creeks" while the alabamu and hitchi were fellow tribal confederates. the tribes of Oklahoma also had the same religion and civilisational structure based around mound-topped cities, like the chiefdom of Spiro which was one such mighty Mississippian city-state in the area.
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I am coming to Oklahoma and going to immerse myself in the ways of the Creek Nation. My great Grandmothers tribe and to help in reclaiming the land through out the south for the Five Civilised tribes. I feel I owe it to the people of the tribes.
Marcus
I think the Creek people moving back to Alabama is a great thing. Not by force but by purchasing the land if possible. We’ve had enough violence and taking it by force is impossible. My 3rd great grandfather fought Andrew Jackson. He was Chief Menawa.
those of us in the west await eagerly to welcome the tribes of Oklahoma back home to the carolinas, georgia, alabama and mississippi.
they should have never been made to leave
there were many that never left but laid low & assimilated. my grandfather was full creek, lower alabama porch creek band, he spoke mvskoke. married an irish woman and had a bunch of mixed children. this is our American story.
It's important, when teaching Creek Muskogee history, that we mention and acknowledge enslaved Africans who traveled the Trail Of Tears with Native Americans , and in many cases intermarried, interbred(I have half african/half Native ancestors)and engrained into Native tribes. I'm a product of that history. Afro Natives exist and we should be inclusive when mentioning these things...we feel erased from the bit of what the tribe has been able to preserve. There has been changes in Creek Nation for Afro Creek people, but there is still room for improvement.
creeks and africans interbred ? my mom has very wavy hair so i was looking why .. she had a liitle creek but most indians had straight .. maybe afro
The Africans where already in the Americas but yes
@@garyp1930 of course, almost all Southerners of all 3 races did this.
we all have a little bit of each other in us.
in particular the Gullah Muscogee who later became known as the seminoles were fiercely brave. and they fought on even when everyone forgot they were still in the everglades.
@@The_Official.P liar
Found my 3rd great grandfather’s census records showing he was a part of the Muskogee Creek Tribe. I always knew my 2nd great grandmother grew up on a reservation but did not know which tribe until a few years ago.
I just found this out too
That can be made in another video our history in regards to the black community this video is about centering us rn which we hardly ever get to do in this country, I used to be black power but not anymore i see where my true loyalties lie now. Indian power!
No disrespect for your intended presentation, but we are NOT Indians 🇮🇳. We are Creek or Mvscogee people.
Let the Indians be Indians, and we be our own tribes and/or nations people.
do u have pitchers of creek people , is hair straight or curls
@@garyp1930 they vary a lot. race mixing happened over the last 500 years of colonialism
so much that many muscogee look white or black. the original creek were brownish skinned and with straight hair (although many southeastern tribal meal shaved parts of their head).
Our hair varies but mines is very curly and wavy
U are so dumb to not embrace what we were historically called. We like to go by American Indian now, let’s not erase history
@@fdsa-r6l That is wrong, the word Indian comes from the greek word for the Indus river which comes from Sanskrit Sindhu.
i love learning more about my culture i love this video
Thanks for sharing & the real story! Found this through another Nation video, curiously led me to your Nation to watch. Thanks!!!
Love seeing the old videos from the vault!
My great-grandmother was full-blooded Creek our last name is Phea. But I don't know much more. But I want too 😫
My 3rd was Gooch . Her married name was Gilmore. If you know any info let me know please. Thank you.
I'm doing a project on these for my college, and thanks for the help.
@InzoMichalko GOOD FOR YOU! THIS IS MORE OF IMPORTANCE THAN "THE HISTORY" THAT HAS BEEN PUSHED ONTO "US" THROUGHOUT THE YEARS
I THINK US AS CREEK NATION SHOULD HAVE TO LEARN ABOUT THE MUSCOGEE CREEK HISTORY THE SAME WAY WE WERE "FORCED" TO LEARN ABOUT "WHITE HISTORY"
Wonderful video! Thank you.
The Muscogee Indians are from Ga. and Alabama. At one point in time they managed this land. Indians of any kind do not believe "ownership" is the idea. They believe respect for the land is predominant. This is true of any person that is
land was collectively owned by the tribe, certain tribes did control and "own" hunting grounds and village plazas. their ideas of land ownership were not old-world in nature but there was indeed an agknowlegment that certain land beyond to certain tribal nations/towns
Yeah my creek side come from south mexico
Good stuff. My Dad was Cherokee and while doing research, his 2nd grandmother, which I had some about her, learned that of course she was native but that she was very possible Creek. Nice find. Her name was Mariah Gilmore. Her second father in law was Conkey. He took the name John Gilmore. Very proud of my heritage.
Thank you. 👍🏻🌹👍🏻
Just found out last night 06/14/2021 I'm apart of the tribe threw my great grandfather that was in Tulsa an gained citizenship in 1901 with documents ,, it made me proud, sad an hurt so I'm gonna turn into the alchemist & transmute that energy 💓😌💓
❤️
Hello my name is Stella Cox chief Claude Cox was my uncle and was a great uncle and I’m still learning how much he did as chief
I am the 6th and 7th great grandson of Chiefs William McIntosh and George Cousins.
Hi there! My name is beau-garrett:.of the Muskogee creek nation. Who might I speak with to offer what has been on my heart for years now to help the growth of the MCN?
Visit www.mcn-nsn.gov to reach out to any department of the Nation through email or phone.
I too found out I’m a creek nation descendant. Our name is Hutton. Don’t know a lot but learning.
Hello. Keep learning. That's what I've been doing. My 3rd great grandmother was Creek and not sure if she was Cherokee or something else. Her name was Mariah Gilmore. Her maiden was Gooch. Keep learning!
Me too! My maiden name is Hutton and I’m a citizen of MCN. Let me know if you have AncestryDNA; we can see if we are related! ✨
Truly about time the mention about Alabama and Georgia Creeks, the original home lands as well as Florida. We were displaced to Oklahoma it's not our homeland. I and my family never left Alabama we lived at Oneonta not making the deadly walk on the trail of tears.
I'm not Muskogee but I know many & 100% Muskogee men are handsome
Im an creek descendant.. ani-agusu ..our surname in troup county.. infact alot of ppl in the area had surnames like hatche, atche, hatchi in the late 18th century. Later changed to atkinson etc.. hatche in muskogee Language means creek/ or stream
This is true. I know where the Atkinson graves are on hatchet Creek.
@Ifelta im interested to know the ones you may know. Alot of graves seem to be missing. Or under water around where west point is.
@Ifelta another word that connects.. ochese. Oche-si.. very simular. Just different spelling
@@corderomiles3769 you should checkout sears chapel in Rockford.
@@corderomiles3769 check out Sears Chapel in Rockford
Some people are trying to make it about race, it's about the truth being told. It's about the rightful owners now being a mixed people. We ain't going no where and we won't let Minister Farrakhan make it about race. It's about those who have the claims, that is where we respectively disagree. Regarding Farad Muhammed & Elijah Muhammed's plan. For land claims. It's unnecessary, please read below.
Our numbers are being misreported, we are a far more sizeable Confederation than is being reported. Most are still on the land and the tribes in Oklahoma need only decide to be home and communally share the land. Person by person we can repurchase and reappropriate the land back to the tribe.
Marcus Dwayne Boyd Jackson Blackman Gonzalez
Yes there's a whole lot of other names in between but Great Grandmother Mary Ann Boyd's claim is both pre Dawes and DNA backed.
Straight up BS.
I truely understand all afro /native people and the compassion of each you when you know what your gg parents with and the indigenous people of all people know's what it felt like to be invisible but peace between the nation must be establish frist between the tribes because if cause division then they've won But not really bc im seeing them given land back_ that's victory.
I am a Marshall from the Bahamas i dont know much but every time i try i get led to the seminole tribe that escaped to Andros
Anybody else here related to Chief Menawa and Charity Yohola? I’m a descendant of both and would like more info on them if possible. Thanks!
I'm a descendant of Chief William McIntosh he's my 6th great grandfather. Menawa killed him. Times were different back then I reckon.
@@bambam5130 true, and no offense to you in personally or in particular but... McIntosh kind of had that coming when he signed over the last of the Muscogee lands in Georgia.
he knew they were going to kill him, it was part of the muscogee constituition that giving away more land would be met with death. although McIntosh wasn't solely at fault, the whole removal was a national disaster in which we all made horrible mistakes
Creeks to the earth potters to the clay cedar to the plow and love today
I LIVE IN OLD CREEK COUNTRY AND HAVE FOUND LOTS OF TOOLS AND EFFIGYS PLEASE CHECK IT OUT SOMETIME
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Joe be professional no black Twitter play now Joe be his sidekick and see if we're safe
It sounds more like a story about vanilla people, narratated by vanilla people, directed by vanilla people
never heard of a tribe called Vanilla nation. Check Africa, they might have one called Vanilla people.
My cousin traced my grandmothers history to them :)
We were enslaved ourselves, 100 to one compared to the African. There is a mix, but not the percentage that you claim. It was small, as the African Meztizo is only 1.4 of the population in Mexico, a country of over 130 million. The USA likes to talk it up like it's Africa, but the African Meztizo in South America, is maybe 20 percent. South America is a big ass continent. They are concentrated in certain areas. Brazil has a lot of Black Mestizos, but they are NOTHING like the USA blacks. Frankly, it seems that the African Meztizo in Mexico and South America, are more socially educated, more noble and refined. They are not even in the same ballpark. The Brizilians r our sisters and brothers, they have a good relationship with Mexico and their neighbors. In fact a lot of Mexican, South America Africans reject the USA African Americans. They say they just wanna turn paisanos against paisano over skin color. It's to forgein for them.
My pops side were mostly dark skin copper mexicans who could pass as black but they are hebrews not African
The muscogee never originally were from Oklahoma…
The combined Asian population in Mexico and South America, is OVERWHELMING compared to the African.
Amazing how in most of these videos the people speaking and negotiating look like and resemble the same Europeans our ancestors fought so hard against to preserve our lands and traditions.Guess we all look like the Cherokee now lol
The Muscogee Indians are not from Oklahoma
They originated N GA
@@stormy-le6pb you are close to correct, their empire extended to Alabama
@@heatherlong2478 yall both are Correct but even further south..with old history prior
True, but they were part of the same Mississippian derived cultural continuum that also existed in Oklahoma. the Muscogee were a confederacy of former mississippian tribes that ruled Coosa, Etowah and Ocmulgee and several towns in alabama like Taskeegee and Tuskaloosa, in which the Abihkas were the "main creeks" while the alabamu and hitchi were fellow tribal confederates. the tribes of Oklahoma also had the same religion and civilisational structure based around mound-topped cities, like the chiefdom of Spiro which was one such mighty Mississippian city-state in the area.
@@OrangeBurgerSC706 even larger.. they are also the so called mayans. Hitchiti language is itza mayans..
In short, I learned nothing lol