This video has made me really think hard about how I think and talk to my peers at work and in my community. I completely believe in what the students here are saying and I am ashamed that I have made generalisations like the ones mentioned. I believe university and education is for everyone and these videos are a reminder that it's the subtle racism that continues to exclude and divide us. I wish all the students in these videos well.
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4:50 That young woman in the middle is so beautiful
sometimes people blur what is said with humor with malicious intent. When tongans and Samoans agrue racially, its seen like a sibling rivalry but as soon as a non-brown person steps in the picture, they're suddenly racist. i mean, pacific islanders and maori and no better at stopping discrimination. There is an elitist stigma embedded in their cultures. for example, i am Samoan but to other Samoans im not a Samoan, im pa'e pa'e or afakasi. Maori (especially the elders) show inter-tribal discrimination even today. your experiences may differ and what im saying is before you try change the world, start with your backyard first.
This opinion is based on my own experiences because everyone is unique. as for sibling rivalry, that was the closest common association i could think of at the time which condensed the complex relationship between the vast diversity of children of the bountiful Pacific ocean. for example, we would have cultural sports games here in Otara which were electric, the Cook Islanders would smash everyone at touch, the Samoans were gods of volleyball, and the Tongans... man were they good at tennis. The sledging from each side was just as fierce as the sports they were playing, but where others would see that as segregation and racist remarks, they saw it just as banter and nothing malicious, violent or discriminatory in any way. that is the kind of attitude needed to end discrimination with integration, understanding and humor. we shouldn't be offended or get so defensive that we label others racist out of no where. sure there are those hateful, fascist and truly racist people but a majority of them are just misinformed troglodytes. also, i do find it hilarious that some so called cultural purists only take in the good things about their culture but ignore the horrid side of their history.
***** sure, its a global issue but its a localized debate. you could relate it to every other ethnicity but this isn't an NCEA assessment for excellence. cultures change all the time, for instances the Samoans use to do some really weird shit when they got married. some parts of our culture will stay with us and are acceptably in society but some traditions are meant to be forgotten for the good. i blame the missionaries who got rid of a whole chunk of their traditions, hell... they pretty much destroyed a majority of original Pacific traditions, like the old Tongan tatau that was purged from existence. like charles darwin said "Evolve or die".
***** click read more, for reasons... According to one of my lecturers who is a Samoan historian(i wont say who they are for privacy issues), they said back in the day, the village chief would over see the wedding and check the virginity of the wife by inserting his fingers in her ______ and breaking the hymen and everyone would rejoice at the sight of his bloody fingers. god that sounds dirty since one of my grand uncles is a village chief.
***** also that process of westernizing Samoan would have been a painfully longer process and they had no true choice in what traditions went out and what stayed. i mean, look at japan, they decided what traditions went out like Harakiri or Seppaku and kept alot of their Shinto traditions along side their new found western ways. also, which dictatorship are you referring to?
Some are confusing "equity" with "equality" ... You can not provide "equal" opportunity to a group (in this case Maori and PI) when they were never on an "equal" playing ground (with European colonisers) to begin with. But by providing "social equity" you are closing the gap to provide a level playing field (hence programmes/scholarships that provide opportunities for those who come from unprivileged backgrounds to be provided with focussed and tailored guidance) to encourage successful outcomes. It's strange how selfish some people are and can not see the benefit of having any young person succeed where otherwise they may not.
Eli David That doesn't make sense since many in NZ of European descent are poor, while many PI's are pretty well off. These programmes/scholarships you speak of should be targeting people of *all* cultures from poorer backgrounds. Also, Asian immigrants to this country were in the same position as PI immigrants - often poor, facing a language barrier, facing discrimination etc. I don't see any programmes for them.
One thing that really angers me is when some of our PI's refers to ourselves as Pacific Islanders. Please we are NOT Pacific Islanders. We are a people from the Pacific Islands. Stop saying that you are a Pacific Islander ...BeeLEASE.
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This video has made me really think hard about how I think and talk to my peers at work and in my community. I completely believe in what the students here are saying and I am ashamed that I have made generalisations like the ones mentioned. I believe university and education is for everyone and these videos are a reminder that it's the subtle racism that continues to exclude and divide us. I wish all the students in these videos well.
4:50 That young woman in the middle is so beautiful
sometimes people blur what is said with humor with malicious intent. When tongans and Samoans agrue racially, its seen like a sibling rivalry but as soon as a non-brown person steps in the picture, they're suddenly racist. i mean, pacific islanders and maori and no better at stopping discrimination. There is an elitist stigma embedded in their cultures. for example, i am Samoan but to other Samoans im not a Samoan, im pa'e pa'e or afakasi. Maori (especially the elders) show inter-tribal discrimination even today. your experiences may differ and what im saying is before you try change the world, start with your backyard first.
This opinion is based on my own experiences because everyone is unique. as for sibling rivalry, that was the closest common association i could think of at the time which condensed the complex relationship between the vast diversity of children of the bountiful Pacific ocean. for example, we would have cultural sports games here in Otara which were electric, the Cook Islanders would smash everyone at touch, the Samoans were gods of volleyball, and the Tongans... man were they good at tennis. The sledging from each side was just as fierce as the sports they were playing, but where others would see that as segregation and racist remarks, they saw it just as banter and nothing malicious, violent or discriminatory in any way. that is the kind of attitude needed to end discrimination with integration, understanding and humor. we shouldn't be offended or get so defensive that we label others racist out of no where. sure there are those hateful, fascist and truly racist people but a majority of them are just misinformed troglodytes. also, i do find it hilarious that some so called cultural purists only take in the good things about their culture but ignore the horrid side of their history.
***** sure, its a global issue but its a localized debate. you could relate it to every other ethnicity but this isn't an NCEA assessment for excellence. cultures change all the time, for instances the Samoans use to do some really weird shit when they got married. some parts of our culture will stay with us and are acceptably in society but some traditions are meant to be forgotten for the good. i blame the missionaries who got rid of a whole chunk of their traditions, hell... they pretty much destroyed a majority of original Pacific traditions, like the old Tongan tatau that was purged from existence. like charles darwin said "Evolve or die".
***** click read more, for reasons...
According to one of my lecturers who is a Samoan historian(i wont say who they are for privacy issues), they said back in the day, the village chief would over see the wedding and check the virginity of the wife by inserting his fingers in her ______ and breaking the hymen and everyone would rejoice at the sight of his bloody fingers. god that sounds dirty since one of my grand uncles is a village chief.
***** also that process of westernizing Samoan would have been a painfully longer process and they had no true choice in what traditions went out and what stayed. i mean, look at japan, they decided what traditions went out like Harakiri or Seppaku and kept alot of their Shinto traditions along side their new found western ways. also, which dictatorship are you referring to?
***** i hail from Fasi To'o Tai which is just east of the Western samoa airport
Some are confusing "equity" with "equality" ... You can not provide "equal" opportunity to a group (in this case Maori and PI) when they were never on an "equal" playing ground (with European colonisers) to begin with. But by providing "social equity" you are closing the gap to provide a level playing field (hence programmes/scholarships that provide opportunities for those who come from unprivileged backgrounds to be provided with focussed and tailored guidance) to encourage successful outcomes. It's strange how selfish some people are and can not see the benefit of having any young person succeed where otherwise they may not.
Eli David That doesn't make sense since many in NZ of European descent are poor, while many PI's are pretty well off. These programmes/scholarships you speak of should be targeting people of *all* cultures from poorer backgrounds.
Also, Asian immigrants to this country were in the same position as PI immigrants - often poor, facing a language barrier, facing discrimination etc. I don't see any programmes for them.
In NZ, people are friendly, and why? Because they can't be bothered to talk to you for a second.
You know you are racists, but in order to be politically correct you don't say it.
YOU ARE NOT DIFFERENT? STUDY HARD SPEAK UP?
One thing that really angers me is when some of our PI's refers to ourselves as Pacific Islanders. Please we are NOT Pacific Islanders. We are a people from the Pacific Islands. Stop saying that you are a Pacific Islander ...BeeLEASE.
iropa2k9 WTF? What's the difference between identifying as a Pacific Islander and a person from the Pacific Islands?