Tom & Perna Get Into HEATED Debate over Ravens and Bills (Grossi Perna Show)
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While discussing which teams had a better playoff window, Perna ruffled Tom's feathers by standing firm that the Buffalo Bills were in a better position than the Baltimore Ravens.
Brandon Perna & Tom Grossi discuss NFL news, NFL players, and football.
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That look of disgust Tom Grossi had for Perna for his secret fandom for Buffalo 😂
As long as Perna is sticking to and rooting for the Bills they will not get to or win a Super Bowl. He has cursed them too much.
Perna adds 3 picohexes to the Bills' existing curse.
ohhhh the bills have been cursed long before perna cursed em🤣
I'll never bet on the Ravens or Bills to make the Super Bowl ever again as long Mahomes is around.
The Bengals are the only real threat to the chiefs and even then I don't consider them a legit threat
Nah this year is Ravens 49ers rematch in the Superdome! The script is in!
@@brandonhallam51 omg spoilers 😅
Bills would have beat the Chiefs if they were not down to 4th string linebackers. They almost one even with that.
@@PaulHilburgerTheir defense and special teams always choke, Josh Allen always clutch up in the Playoffs
I might be insane but as a Chiefs fan, I've been uncomfortable against the Bills before, but there was no minute of the Ravens game that I thought the Chiefs would lose. I kinda agree with Perna here
The bills game I thought I could relax slightly until we fumbled through the end zone. I’m always pretty nervous during games but the ravens game was fairly relaxing. The only part I was a bit nervous was right before the goal line punch out preventing them from cutting into our 10 point lead.
The Bills are like the raiders of old, give them enough time and they will screw themselves.
@@kcbroncohaterthere’s never been and I mean NEVER been a bigger choker at head coach then McDermott. Comparing BUF to any team ever is insane, no coach will ever match the levels of P**sy that McDermott shows, “13 seconds left and KC needs a field goal?, let’s line up in prevent 30 yards back letting them gain a huge chunk!! It’s Genius!”
Yeah! I'm not really scared of the ravens. Heck the one time we did lose to them was because CEH fumbled. We would had won that game.
@@hinata365247There were three games last season they were set up to win the game on the last drive that went south. But a loss is a loss.
Grossi dying to get his point out lmao
As a Chief's fan, I'm not sweating the Ravens. The Bills always play us hard but how did we get through this whole video without mentioning our biggest nemesis? The Bengals and Joe Burrow ALWAYS give me anxiety.😂
Until they win another game that actually matters, I'm not sweating the Bengals. The Bengals needed Mahomes to forget how to play football in order to win by three points, and then Mahomes sent them home the next season on one good ankle, while down to options C, D, and E wide receiver. So what if they win another regular game, the Bills have beaten the Chiefs at Arrowhead in the regular season three straight years, and one of those was a blowout.
@@melvinshine9841bro Mahomes is 15-1 against QBs still playing. That one loss was to Burrow.
@@geordiejones5618 And that one playoff loss required Mahomes to play the absolute worst half of his postseason career.
@@geordiejones5618mahomes quite literally forgot how to play football in that second half. That loss had very little to do with the Bengals. The Bengals are not a reap threat. They're overhyped.
Joe burrow has been worse than allen in the playoffs and it took mahomes to have his worst game in the playoffs to beat him. Allen has played mahoems twice at about his best probably should have won at least one of those games.
perna is the #1 bills glazer even more than actual bills fans
Perna is starting to sound like scooter with the bills one scooter is enough
its funny how he's tried to find a 2nd team to root for because the bronos are in such a bad spot and he choose the bills who are even more cursed
Chiefs have perna deep in his feelings. Get that man a therapist before next season starts please. 😂😂😂
Watching Elway hand Clark Hunt the Lombardi destroyed his soul. 😂
Chiefs fan here. The only team I consider a threat are the Bengals. Even then…
Joe burrow is a real qb. Any qb who can stand in the pocket and deliver will always be better than Mahomes or lamar
Better than Mahomes?😆
@@imanoldurango8213 what exactly do you mean by “real qb” in this context? Also Mahomes has 3 rings so idk why you’re saying he’s not a “real qb”.
Dude is baiting, he wants someone to say “you’re saying only white QBs can be real QBs and that black quarterbacks are just gimmicky athletes” and then he’ll say “I never brought race up! This is what’s wrong with America today. Racism would go away if we stopped looking for it everywhere”
@@imanoldurango8213you've lost your fucking mind. He's behind Lamar and Allen let alone fucking Mahomes.
Perna's a Bills fan in disguise 😂
That's fine. DON'T root for us, Perna. Keep your curse FAAAAAAAAR away.
Don’t worry even without him rooting for the ravens there never gonna win a superbowl
As a bills fan I think Tom is spot on with the miller contract. That move turned an open window into a barely cracked window cap wise. Between him diggs and Allen that’s like 30% of the cap
There’s so many situations where the bills will have money this year to make moves and even more next year
Grossi is dead wrong about the Ravens. The Ravens have been talked about as the rival to the Chiefs since Mahomes first year as a starter. The Ravens were considered the best team in football for most of last year. It is the Bills who have consistently not just made the playoffs but won games while they were there. The Ravens hadn't done anything in the playoffs until last year. And Perna is right that the Bills played the Chiefs a lot better last year than the Ravens did, in spite of their injuries.
Yup Ravens usually don't make it far enough to even play KC. Let alone lose to them. As a Chiefs fan I barely think about Baltimore
Baltimore? There's a football team in Baltimore? I thought they just were showing the Chiefs getting attacked by a street gang on their way back from Buffalo.
this boy said ravens a rival to the chiefs LMFAO
@@cameron6329he said others have said it.
Correction: National sports talk put Ravens on the Chiefs level but here in Baltimore, no one believes we're better than the Chiefs.
The fact the Bengals weren't mentioned despite being the main team to do it is disrespectful. Just highlights how much people forget you when you are out early for the year.
It’s why the Rams caught everyone off guard this year. One bad year with QB injury, and suddenly people forget about you
But Joe has been hurt 2 of his 4 years. If he is healthy they could but that if is a real question.
There are a lot of things changing for Cincy this year. I’m curious to see how good they’ll be after losing their OC and likely losing two of their three top flight receivers…
@@patrickprun1467his rookie year doesn’t count. His own O LINE let him down his rookie year.
I think Joe burrow stinks
I'm from Buffalo...fuck yeah Perna
What about the only other team without a guy named Brady to have beaten the Chiefs in the playoffs? The Bengals maybe? They'll start out 0-2 of course. Maybe have Burrow play in a few preseason games this time to shake off the rust.
I'm a mild Chiefs fan because I'm not much of a pro fb fan. I think the Bills have a better chance to dethrone the Chiefs because I think Josh Allen is a better qb than Lamar Jackson.
Ravens on the road in arrowhead can win, they are amazing as a road underdog
The only reason they won that 1 game was because CEH fumbled. If he didn't fumble chiefs would had won that game.
@@hinata365247 That game was at Baltimore(36-35) - The Chiefs, down by one had driven to the Baltimore 32(obviously, already well within Butkers range) with about 1:30 left in the game, CEH fumbled on the next play(2nd and 3). Terrible way to lose a game, the Chiefs had in the bag.
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The Chiefs/Mahomes are 4W-1L(and they had that game won) vs the Ravens
The Chiefs with Mahomes at QB are 15W-3L in the playoffs
the Ravens/Jackson have won a grand total of TWO playoff games during that same time. I'm not real worried about the Ravens next year, in the playoffs, no matter where the game is played
@@hinata365247OK? And? A win is a win. Nobody ever gives the Ravens that leeway. That fumble was forced btw.
@@Dee-jd6ym ok! Congrats! Let's play again in the regular season.
@@hinata365247 🤣🤣🤣🤣 sober up
I agree with Perna on the Bills having a better chance of getting a Super Bowl win. Lamar has underperformed in the postseason, while Josh has shown up. #GoBills
I agree with Perna, but I don’t like how he argued his point lol
The NFL I believe is a game of matchups. Meaning some teams you match up well against, and some that you don't. As a Ravens fan, I know this truth very well. We cannot beat the Chiefs and Steelers (because those two teams know us more than anyone), we have issues with the Bills and Titans (They had former assistants of ours on their staff for several years), and we own the Browns, Texans, and Bengals. Not to mention until this year we hadn't won in Jacksonville since 2001.
Own the Bengals is kinda of a stretch. This gotta be Bart Scott 😂
@jharp08 Isn't Lamar like 8-1 against Burrow, plus the Ravens swept the Bengals this year. I'd say owning them is a pretty fair point.
@@matthewcrispinwordofGod 4-1 against Burrow, 8-1 against Cincy overall. And the only times that Burrow has beaten the Ravens is because of pandemic levels of injuries or Lamar not playing if not both. If I'm Cincy, I'd worry about getting out of the AFC North more than the Chiefs.
Allen and the bills give me Rodgers on the Packers vibes. Allen is great and could easily be the guy. The team needs to be better
@@user-wk7ql5bg6pah yes, a quarterback who wins playoff games with 3 5th Round Wide receivers. needs to make his teammates better, i in fact he should become a DC to make his defense better while we’re at it! Classic single digit IQ logic!
@@bondsgoat25So you’re blaming a terrible organization for running their football team terribly? The bills have been poverty since the marv levy days.
@@SycoticForeverNeverAF even as a bills fan I don’t disagree, a well run franchise would have fired McDumass after the 13 seconds chokejob, a mediocre franchise would have fired him after this past season, a terribly run franchise would have kicked the can down the road, which is what Buffalo did this offseason.
I’d be happily surprised, if they used there few remaining brain cells and hired Belichick next year… but knowing BUF there probably gonna hire Vrabel or even worse, keep McChoker!
@@user-wk7ql5bg6phe does lmao. He masks a lot of problems on that offense. They would look like the panthers without Allen
@@bondsgoat25lol Mahomes would kill to have stefon diggs & Gabe Davis & dalton kincaid & Dawson Knox, but he still finds a way
I wouldn't trust the Bills getting wet in a monsoon, let alone trusting them to win a Super Bowl before the Ravens do.
the ravens are not a scary playoff team
@@DurkDigglerI mean two of their runs they have gotten the first round bye so its not as bad as it seems tbh... This year was an overall improvement in playoffs aside from the chiefs game
Ravens had the best overall team in the NFL and a “top 5” QB. They held the Chiefs to 17 and LOST.
Lamar is a huge playoff choker that won 2 playoff games in his entire playoff career (wasn’t particularly special in either win). He can’t be counted on winning 3-4 games in the postseason.
Lamar’s cap hit is coming due next season. Let’s see how great the Ravens are.
@MrGhostface85 Think what you want I don't think it's that simple that it is entirely Lamar being a playoff choker when Mahomes just wins every year
@@djkevgar Lamar has 6 TDs & 6 INTs in 6 playoff games (with a passer rating of 76.
If that’s not choking for a supposed elite QB, then I don’t know what constitutes as choking.
As a Bills fan, I still say the Bengals are the Chiefs' biggest threat. We own the Chiefs in the regular season but we need to actually beat them in the playoffs if we want to fully live up to the hype we've had.
No the bills dont
@@StephenNatoli-l6jKey words: regular season.
I'm a chiefs fan its joe burrow and the Bengals
Bills fans bragging about Allen bein interception free during the playoffs when he only played two games is hilarious.
The Bills didn’t lose cause of Josh Allen. But he definitely doesn’t will that team to victory the way Mahomes does. The two are just built different. 💪
Lamar proved yet again that he is not an elite QB. An elite player, absolutely, but for some reason, they abandoned the run and relied on lamars arm. And every sideline pass was WAY off target.
This is literally first take 2.0 absolutely love it🤣😂😆.
As a Chief's fan I have to agree with Perna on this. Bills have won more consistently in the playoffs and even though I like Lamar, Josh Allen has played the Chiefs way better than Lamar and the Ravens. Speaking of which I was at the 13 second game against the Bills. That was the first and only playoff game I've been able to go to so far, but I don't think there would've been a better one to be at than that. Other than the Super Bowls.
Then you're brain dead
Joe Burrow is the only one who can save us. The Bengals with Joe Shiesty are 3-1 against Mahomes and the only reason he has not been in the past 5 super bowls. So if all you guys could gift us an o-line and a secondary then that would be nice😅
I'll start a go fund me
You mean 1-1? Nobody gives a shit about worthless regular season wins lmao. Burrow had his chance and blew it in the superbowl
@@SycoticForeverNeverAF Joey B didn't lose the Super Bowl, his awful OLine did. Aaron Donald and co. feasted on it throughout the game and even then it was still anyone's game until the Rams' final drive
Ravens were #1 seed bc of their defense not bc of a mid tier Lamar Jackson. Allen is by far and away the better QB. The defense is what has held them back from making the SuperBowl.
The ravens only won one game in the playoffs
but they kicked ass while doing it this time. They also would've won against the Chiefs had they not abandoned the run out of nowhere
@@ocularzombie6679 or Lamar actually didn’t choke like he seems to do in the okayoffs
They were the AFC's 1 seed and made it to the AFC championship game. They beat themselves in the Chiefs game, but saying they only won 1 playoff game, while a correct statement, is a bit misleading.
Bills?
The Ravens had the hilarious playoff lineup of playing the raw and inexperienced Texans then immediately face the MOST EXPERIENCED PLAYOFF TEAM in the NFL lol
All Brandon Perna knows, is COPIUM
I think Greenbay has a very good shot of winning next years Superbowl - high powered offense!!
You could also argue that the other teams were unprepared for the Ravens new style of offense last year and after a year with film to study the Ravens offense won’t be as effective against better prepared defenses. It’ll be interesting to see which is more impactful the Ravens familiarity with their offense or the defenders familiarity with it.
Bengals vs Bills AFC Championship. Remind me to come back here next year.
Imagine a year in which the Chiefs are legitimately good and not carrying one of the leagues' worst defenses, or a below average wide receiver corps, or a Mahomes playoff injury like the concussion and the the one-leggedness like the last few years. KC has 3 Superbowls and I still don't think we have seen the best version of them. Each KC team during this run has been flawed to the point where most people thought those flaws would be their demise. KC can get got by a lot of teams, but when the playoffs start, it's almost like none of those things matter because they will work with what they've got, stay close and beat you in the final minutes.
I *think* I get where Perna's coming from even though he's not very good at articulating his point. Unless everyone else is playing perfect, Lamar is not really going to win you a playoff game. He's proven that at this point. But Allen (Like Mahomes) has proven that he will take over a game and do everything in his power to win. And in Perna's eyes, that is the more valuable option, and the one more likely to win a SB. At least that's what I think he's trying to say
I don't believe that at all
And lost. Again and again
@@lenin17301560 So has every other QB who faced Mahomes in the playoffs besides Brady (the GOAT) and Burrow (who got bailed out by his defense), what's your point? Mahomes is better? We know.
@@lenin17301560you act like the 30 other quarterbacks in the league win bud. it's mahome's and no one else Allen is a great qb but to sit here and act like the dudes a failure is your braindead mentality taking over 😂
@@YUNXDOMDon't believe that Allen HAD MAHOMES BEAT HIS COACH CHOKED and couldn't hold a lead for 13 seconds and last game kicker missed a chip shot for OT ,excuse me but what did Jackson do lol
Damn Johnny you even added tips audio from todays episode to the outro, nice
As a Chiefs fan: Discussion is irrelevant. Resistance is Futile.
You need to be humbled x2
Bills force fewer kc punts in three games than all these other teams do in one. McDermott stinks.
How about we stop dancing around the FACT that only one team and QB has beaten mahomes in the playoffs. It’s Joe Burrow and the Cincinnati Bengals. Allen and the Bills haven’t and they’ve had more chances than anybody with all sorts of different scenarios. Ravens and Lamar couldn’t beat them with the ravens defense holding them scoreless in the 2nd half. Joe Burrow and the Bengals were in Arrowhead and down 18 at halftime and WON. The debate is silly if we’re not mentioning them. Burrow despite his health concerns his two healthy seasons they went to back to back AFC Championship games and a SB. Point me in the direction outside of the chiefs, to another team doing that…NO ONE.
Burrow has pedestrian stats against the Chiefs in both matchups against them and won a game where he had a historic defense and Mahomes played the worst half of football in his career. Saying “Burrow and the Bengals” is more threatening than “Allen and the Bills” is why you’re ignorant to how no one is dancing around anything and is simply expressing how Allen is a bigger threat at QB than Burrow. The “different scenarios” the Bills had involve two all time choke jobs by the special teams unit and the defense. If you think W/L is all that matters and that is somehow a QB stat go ahead, but no has to share that idiotic perception of the sport. Allen has phenomenal stats against the Chiefs compared to Burrow’s pedestrian stats. Allen has all time great playoff stats in general while Burrow doesn’t. The Bills have been a dominant team for 4 years in the last 4 years while the Bengals have been dominant for 2 of the last 4 years. The reason people tout about the Bills over the Bengals is simply cause Allen is better than Burrow. And that notion being the basis of why someone places more trust in the Bills is definitely a lot more convincing and nuanced than thinking Burrow and the Bengals are the biggest threat cause they beat Mahomes once 3 years ago in a game where Mahomes played the worst half of playoff football he ever has.
@@skinnymelo excuses. Allen is 5-5 in the playoffs and the only QBs he’s ever managed to beat are
1. Retiring Philip Rivers
2. Skylar Thompson
3. Mac Jones
4. Lamar Jackson (injured in the 3rd)
5. Mason Rudolph
Burrow spanked Allen’s ass already in the playoffs. Burrow has outperformed mahomes in their 4 game head to head matchups. Burrow is 5-1 all time against mahomes and Allen combined. Burrow/Bengals are the ONLY team to beat mahomes and KC in the playoffs and the only ones to have a winning record against them. Allen has had more opportunities and different scenarios to beat mahomes but..he can’t. 0-3 all time. Everyone begged for Allen to have the ball in his hands for a change against KC in the playoffs in the closing minutes of the game because they had more faith in him than buffalos defense to win them the game…STILL didn’t get it done.
Might I add also the Bills did all that whining, cryin and bitching bout the OT rules because they let the Chiefs score in 13 seconds and didn’t win the coin toss, let mahomes walk down the field score a TD and sent them packing…AGAIN…meanwhile the Bengals the very next week we’re placed in the same exact scenario and lost the coin toss in OT, yet picked mahomes off and burrow got them into FG range while McPherson had the walk off win. This isn’t JUST ABOUT Burrow…I said Bengals/Burrow..it’s team effort..I’ve pointed out records as to indicate they’re team records not just QB stats…you’re the one who got all butt hurt and in your feelings cryin to me about why Allen and the Bills can never get it done. They can’t beat other elite talent in the playoffs. That’s a FACT. So while you make excuses why other QBs/Teams haven’t got it done, and continue to make excuses as to why Burrow/Bengals have got it done…I’ll let the writing on the wall to do all the talkin I need. That alone tells you…you’re wrong and just cryin…I’m right and spittin facts. Cope harder buddy. Oh BTW…Bengals were down 18 going into halftime against KC in the playoffs…there were no defensive TDs that entire game and the Bengals came out victorious. That means someone had to lead the offense to play the game of catch up to give them a shot to win…and that was Joseph Lee Burrow. Y’all really have to cry and cope that none of these other QBs y’all dick suck have been able to get it done but Burrow did down 18 in Arrowhead😂😂😂 your tears are DELICIOUS.
@@skinnymelo y’all talkin shit about Bengals/Burrow and how he’s had “pedestrian stats” against them both times…Allen only ever played his ass off ONCE against them. Y’all hold that 2021 wild card game and ride the fuckin skin off those nuts. Every year the bills are the most overrated team because people claim they’re gonna win it all…and reality is in the past what…4-5 years..only two teams have even won the AFC and that’s Cinci and the Chiefs..I mean Burrow healthy and they went back to back AFC Championship games and nearly made it back to back SBs…Allen and the Bills can’t even escape the divisional most times. They beat up on some overrated team with a mediocre QB and then have to face either Burrow/Bengals or Mahomes/Chiefs where they yet again get humbled and sent back to reality.
@@justadude1065 Stopped reading after seeing the twitter narrative list you put out.
1: Retiring Phillip Rivers sent MVP Lamar Jackson home the previous year and was literally the favorite going into the Bills game.
2: Fair.
3: Elite defense which Allen torched. Allen isn’t throwing against Mac Jones playing DB, he’s throwing against one of the best defenses in the league.
4: Lamar put up 3 points and got injured with 20 seconds left in the 3rd after throwing a pick 6 and then taking a sack near his own end zone to basically go 3 and out. Allen violated an elite quarterback and an elite defense that game but because Lamar got injured in the 4th that somehow takes away from Allen and it needs to be stated that Lamar got injured? Lol he was doing nothing before that injury and the game was essentially over with the Ravens going 3 and out, Lamar leaving the field with a grand total 3 points, and the Bills getting the ball back in good field goal position. When Burrow beat Allen last year does anyone babble about Allen playing through a shoulder injury? No? So mentioning Lamar’s 4th quarter injury after he played a terrible game that was already over is the epitome of agenda pushing and it’s hilariously ironic that it came from you in a comment that you started off by whining about some “excuses” lmfao.
5: Elite defense again.
5 of Allen’s playoff loses consist of 3 against Mahomes where for 2/3 of them anyone with the brain capacity of a kindergartner could determine weren’t his fault whatsoever. 1 against Burrow. And 1 against Watson where Allen was in his first playoffs and outperformed Watson before losing to terrible reffing cause there is no way the league could allow a no name qb who was being questioned as a bust and terrible pick in his draft just the previous season, to beat one of the faces of the league. No one cares about Burrow’s regular season performance against the Chiefs the same way no one cares about Allen’s regular season performance against them. If the bottom line to you is being a drone and looking at a single thing W/L, then the same way looking at who’s a better player in the playoffs is why people put more trust in Allen than Burrow. Cause by every stat, Allen is a great playoff performer while Burrow is a pedestrian.
The Bills weren’t even the team that proposed the OT change rule that year and the Chiefs literally proposed it the year before. I get you’re a media drone that regurgitates whatever narrative driven post or segment you see, but maybe don’t be that much of a sheep lmao? Bills fans may have been crying about it as expected but they haven’t even benefited from the rule in the playoffs yet so why is that even a topic of discussion lmao. You realize the Bengals literally voted in favor of the rule change the same way as the Bills too right? Or are you that much of fucking moron? The Bills literally losing off a missed kick and a historic defensive collapse in 13 seconds is why they’re touted more highly than the Bengals whose only fluke win against the Chiefs came by 3 points in Mahomes’ worst playoff game of his career lmao. People are fully confident in 2 things with these 3 quarterbacks? That Allen can perform to be neck and neck with the Chiefs all the way to the end of the game, and that Mahomes will never have a playoff game as bad as what he did against Cinci in that AFC title game. What has Burrow proven? That he has pedestrian playoff stats and his historic defense which was the reason he got to the bowl regresses every year he stays injured? Lmao Allen’s beat elite qb Lamar in the playoffs and if his 4th quarter injury is some type of note to discredit Allen from that win, then the same moronic logic applies to Burrow beating a hobbled Allen. Burrow’s sole reason for him being a “threat” to the Chiefs is a game where Mahomes played his worst half of football from what would be 3 years ago if the Chiefs and Bengals were to match up in the playoffs this upcoming season in 2025 against a completely different Chiefs team LMFAOOOO. While Allen’s is 2 instances where Mahomes played at his best and walked away from a close game where Allen’s defense and special teams sold him. Basically the “biggest threat” to the Chiefs involves a convo between the Bills offense led by Allen and the Bengals defense where Joe Burrow is not included. Burrow came back down big against KC, you said there were no defensive TDs as if that’s the indicator of good defense, and then tried to credit Burrow with the Bengals defense stopping Mahomes every drive for 2 quarters? Are you slow? 💀💀
@@skinnymelo you typed a whole lot to make a bunch of excuses for a 5-5 QB in the playoffs with mid wins against mid QBs. Your excuses are plentiful and pathetic. While you have to make excuses as to why your QB you dick ride can’t get it done, you have to make excuses as to why Burrow has. Cope with that all you want. Liking your own comments is about as pathetic as it comes also😂😂😂
Mom and dad are fighting again but I side with Tom especially with that von miller contract I was the only person that hated that contract when it got signed
i dont think Perna saying that all the Bills need is Josh Allen is true given that in 2 of the 3 playoff games Allen has played against the Chiefs he has balled out and still lost. clearly they need something else besides just Allen to get over the hump.
I think his point is lamar had everything this year and couldn't do it, so why would you trust him more than JA
If Lamar and Josh Allen were drafted to the other's team in 2018 I guarantee the Bills would still be ringless but the Ravens would've won two Super Bowls by now
The only team that can say they can beat the Chiefs is the Bengals with a healthy Burrow. I don’t know wtf they did in the 2021 AFC Championship in the second half but it worked, and then the next year, it came down it who had the ball last.
bengals also committed a dumb penalty on the last chief's drive right? But yeah i think the bengals will be the afc team in the superbowl next year if its not the chiefs
@@idawg7332Yeah Ossai hit Mahomes out of bounds. It wasn’t a bad call, just a brutal mistake that set the Chiefs in easy FG range with a new set of downs to run down the clock. I did think they were going to win when they converted a 2nd and 17 deep in their own territory but just like what happened in the Super Bowl, their offensive line broke down at the most critical moment and Jones forced Burrow to throw it away and then got the sack on third down.
It was their defense. I won't trust that ownership group or their coach to consistently be able to outperform Reid, Spags and Mahomes. Bengals are a flash in the pan until proven otherwise
The Bengals won because Mahomes choked his ass off, I mean obviously the Chiefs won’t win every single season but they were fortunate to have him play his worst half of football as a pro, in the AFCCG the next year they got their heart ripped out like everyone else
@@B2Roland Maybe but they're the only team to beat the mahomes era chiefs in the playoffs besides ones lead by tom brady. So yeah they haven't won the big game yet but they've gotten closer than anyone else in the afc since the chiefs took over the league
These wild guesses are as good as any.
1:22 Grossi with the zest lol
I agree with Brandon
Perna is correct.
The problem for the Bills is quiet literally keeping the defense together long enough against the Chiefs. Every game between the Chiefs and Bills has been down to the wire, but tends to favor the Chiefs more thanks in part to better play calling against the Bills defense toward the last 5 minutes of the 4th quarter.
As a Bills fan it hurts to say it like that, but the reality is that both teams can easily manage each others D-Lines. Bills can overrun the Chiefs defense, but the Chiefs can do just the same to the Bills and they tend to manage the clock better.
The Chiefs have a hand full of great plays that they save until the last few drives. The score doesn't matter much because when they start running them plays they walk down the field and score.
Mostly Kelce doing his fade to the left or right behind another WR. That's what was running numbers on the Bills this year. @@kcbroncohater
@@JoeSkylynx You guys lost the Divisional Round because you wore your QB out in the first half. His last two passes where in the dirt. Didn't he have Shakir open in the end zone and he threw it to the goal line? Then ya missed the FG losing the game? Heck he had more yards rushing than your RB. The more times he ran the more I knew he would run out of gas. And he did. Dumb football if you ask me.
@@kcbroncohaterNo, he was gonna make the pass to Shakir but got hit after a great play by Chris Jones (also a terrible block by Dawkins)
I get what ur saying but we’ve seen Allen throw a touchdown with 13 seconds left and still lose.
The problem is McDermott and his scared late game play calling and it always will be as long as he’s there!
@@bondsgoat25 It looked to me like he hit him after the throw, that should be looked at again. Maybe that would be a bad example. You got a QB running 12 times in his 19th game of the season , with no breaks. That is a tough job.
The Ravens will never, ever win it all. Theyre too one dimensionional as an offense ans cant beat teams they have to play twoce
Grossi can argue all he wants, Perna is right on this.
Since 2019 (first full season for Jackson) Bills have won more games than anyone other than KC. Bills 58 wins, Ravens 56 wins. Ravens in the playoffs: 2-4. Bills in the playoffs: 5-5. And considering Harbaugh had an MVP QB 2 of those years, I don't understand how anyone can say he did better than McDermott has these past 5 seasons.
Bills have performed better consistently from season to season with an injured roster than the Ravens did during their consecutive injury riddled seasons.
It really boils down to what Tom said, Ravens actually got weapons for Jackson and they actually had a season where the team stayed healthy. If the Bills did the same thing and managed to stay healthy, I don't see any team in the entire league that would be equal. The Bills were one Gronk away from being the new dynasty.
Normally I want to make fun of Perna for being such a Bills homer, but tbh, Jackson is so anti-clutch in the playoffs that I don't think you can make an honest argument that the current Ravens will punch through before the Bills. Allen has his off days, but he almost always puts his best foot forward in the playoffs. And the Ravens were lucky that Burrow rode the bench this year.
Lucky? Have you seen Lamar's record against Burrow and the Bengals altogether? Thats the one team besides the Browns that Cincy hasn't been able to beat unless Baltimore plays their backup QB.
I usually am on Grossi’s side (mostly because Perna like the nasty broncos franchise) 😉 but Perna is right here. Lamar doesn’t show up in the playoffs.
No matter what type of debates they get in, Perna always want the upper ground to have the better valid take even though he is wrong or delusional.
Perna is right....
The only team that can beat the chiefs is a healthy Bengals team
Neither? Be sensible
The Chiefs play the regular season, like most teams play preseason games, except they have to use a 53 man roster. They know they are going to be in the playoffs(like NINE straight), so they just want to get there as healthy as possible. Winning a game vs the Chiefs in the regular season, well congratulations, winning a game vs the Chiefs in the playoffs, well GOOD LUCK.
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"Who can win vs the Chiefs in the playoffs"
I'm only really concerned with two teams(right now)
#1 - Cincinnati - Burrow might not be quite as scary as Josh Allen, but the Bengals have a better team and far better WR corps
#2 - Buffalo - Josh Allen is a BAD MAN when he plays perfect.
What is Perna's nightmare Superbowl matchup 2025? Chiefs vs Cowboys? Chiefs vs San Fran round 3?
I predict we’re going to see the same two teams in the SB next year with the same outcome.
God i hope not
49’ers chiefs have been in the semifinal since the SB56 playoffs. A rematch between those 2 would be bad enough, but chiefs winning again would be horrifying
Perna spitting facts like always
Love you Perna, Go Bills
I understand them both. Grossi is right that the Ravens are a steadier team than Bills. I think what Perna is really saying is that he doesn't trust Lamar to play consistently to the level the playoffs requires to win out.
How are they a steadier team, and how does that make them better? They are steadier because they are going to hold on to a coach that's been pretty avg since he won a superbowl 12 years ago?
Grossi, you can't speak sense to a fan of an Ungulate team. Perna is unhinged! Literally said they're better because of him and immediately followed with "even if he retired bring back Tyrod Taylor, they're still better" Make it make sense!
Perna is absolutely right on this one
No he isnt
Lol does Tom even watch football? The Bills have far and beyond been more successful than the Ravens this decade and will continue to be. Only the Chiefs are comparable. Being a Bills fan is so agonizing knowing we have the best roster in the league but can't stay healthy or get lucky like Patty and the red guys. The Bills GM Brandon Beane is a gangster. All the Bills need is to stay healthy and get another badass receiver.
The Bills needed something and Von Miller gave it to them. It was like the Eagles before Terrell Owens got hurt. That one guy that took a good team over the top to invincibility. Then he got hurt.
I knew it was a bit of a risky move for them, at the time, but man they were unbeatable there for a while. IF Miller had stayed healthy, I'm not sure who could've stopped them.
I didn't know how the Bills could afford it, but every team's different, and you can't look at the price tag on one contract, in isolation. If that player is going to make a real difference, and you're not already spread too thin, you can "overpay" for a guy.
If I'm dying of thirst, a bottle of water might be worth $1,000 and glad I paid.
But no. The Von Miller deal did not result in a championship, and so yeah, it failed.
Fully with Perna on this one, there are exactly two teams that have made it to the divisional round of the playoffs the past three years: the Chiefs and the Bills. Just like how Brady and Manning were always there, so are Mahomes and Allen. Whether Allen will eventually get over the hump like Manning did remains to be seen, but I personally think he can absolutely do it. Lamar on the other hand? 2-5 record in the playoffs including a blowout loss to the Bills.
Overall yes Lamar has been worse. But his team has only been elite (#1 seed) and expected to be SB contenders two times.
@@mbdg6810 I can't deny that the Ravens defense has been amazing, maybe the best in the league. I'm admittedly biased as a Bills fan but at this point I'll take anyone but the Chiefs. But I also just trust the team that held multiple leads over them in the playoffs over the team that didn't lead for a second and could only manage 10 points. Also, Tom himself said the AFC North is a bloodbath and he's right, it's a miracle this year's Ravens stayed as healthy as they did. I have to question if they'll manage that again. (Apologies for the ton of text, I guess I have a lot of thoughts about this haha.)
"I think the Bills should be higher than the Ravens"...proceeds to prove all Gossi's points about why the Ravens should be above the Bills. 🤦🏾♀️
I’d love to see the Texans/the Strouds beat everyone and win the Super Bowl especially if the Chiefs don’t 3 peat
Stroud is super fun to watch and has the Texans way ahead of schedule, but I think they need a couple more years to give him better weapons and defensive help
@uhrt3504 They already got Nico Collins and Tank Dell as their franchise WR1 and WR2, all they need is a TE and more defensive weapons and they're set for success
Many sports media folks say it will be Joe Burrow to beat Patrick. That's it.
I hope that the Curse Wheel will be destroyed before the next NFL season starts
Tom "The GOAT" did it in his first year with Tampa. How hard can it be?
The bills have been overperforming despite injuries, the ravens massively underperform every year with 0 notable injuries or excuses. Perna got the right idea imo
watching this as a chiefs fan is hilarious
Tom just needs to stop and listen to what Brandon is actually saying. Owning this argument is Brandon perna.
So much emotion lol
I'm a Bills hater but they're clearly ahead of the Ravens. I don't trust the Ravens at all, especially with Lamar at QB
Clearly ahead . They barely scratched a 2 seed, ravens dominated all year and they’re clearly ahead lol
Hell yeah bills
All of this is probably mute since Joey Burrow and the Bengals will probably make the Super Bowl next year.
I'm comfortable with the idea that the Bills can't beat the Chefs. Baltimore, on the other hand, looked as if it purposefully rolled over.
Von Miller signing was a big mistake for the bills, and i said that when i found about it a few years ago, they need to draft better and get younger on defense and maybe they wont lose so many players to injury as much as they have
The Bills loss a game where their best players in defense didn't play because of injuries.. No Matt Milano, Tre White, Gabe Davis,
I completely agree that the Bills (Josh Allen) are just much better and more dangerous than L. Jackson and the Ravens. But they are both looking up a flight of stairs at the Chiefs and Mahomes and Reid.
Bills window is more open because allen can play hero ball.
Are we forgetting Joe Burrow exists?
It shows how simple minded and short term memory everyone is.
Yes we are because he hasnt done shit since being in the league
Lay off the weed@@SycoticForeverNeverAF
Yeah becuz he’s a system qb
@@bambiboi3244 another casual ignorant
bills have had josh allen for 5 years.
you look at the chiefs playoff run this year the only team that even came close to putting any pressure on the chiefs in the afc was the bills
Even if you believe Allen is better than Jackson Perna is making no sense. Allen showed up twice against Mahomes and lost. Jackson didn’t show up so if Jackson shows up can he get it done? That remains to be seen unlike with Allen whose failed twice at it.
What type of logic? Allen has proven he is capable of showing up as he has showed up twice, three time actually even if one game wasn’t particularly close. Lamar hasn’t proven anything against the Chiefs let alone even in the playoffs lmao. He has 1 good playoff game in 6 seasons in the league. The Bills lost two out of three on the fault of special teams and the defense, not Allen and their offense. So their team can be improved with new personnel where their shortcomings came from while the Ravens have to do nothing but have faith Lamar actually shows up. One of these objectives has a clear goal and process to build towards it and the other is rooted in hoping a player plays better when they have given no indication of being capable of doing that.
@@skinnymelo Allen has proven that him playing his best he and his team still can’t beat the Chiefs. It has happened thrice in the playoffs. A team loses three times to the same team especially when the QB plays out of his mind in one loss (13 sec left) and takes what the D gives him in another (the latest loss where half his passes where behind the line of scrimmage and they just ran it) then the winning team has the losing team number. There is nothing to look at that says Buffalo and Allen are beating the Chiefs.
Jackson as you stated played poorly. So if you believe he will always play poorly in every playoff game then Jackson and the Ravens aren’t getting past the Chiefs either. But if you think he has the potential to not play poorly then the possibility exists that they get pass the Chiefs.
Who do we think is more likely to pass a test? A person goes to take a test and didn’t study and failed then takes it again after studying and fails again or the person who didn’t study and failed? The latter still has the potential to study and pass which seems more likely than the other just taking it over and over until they pass.
@@billywilliams8378 What a stupid analogy. Allen has lost two games against the Chiefs because something on the Bills not including what he was responsible for, couldn’t perform up to the standard. Here’s a far better one. What’s more likely, failing a class a third time where you have to repeat a group project that no one helped you with the last two times and you excelled at, or failing a class a second time where you had all the help necessary for the group project the first go around, but you didn’t contribute to? The Bills shortcomings are defense and special teams in two of their losses against KC, something that can be improved on with personnel change. The Ravens shortcomings are Lamar Jackson which is personnel that can’t be changed.
@@skinnymelo It’s the same analogy with the same outcome. Regardless of what Allen does his team failed him. If he played well or in the analogy he did well on his part it didn’t matter as there were failing on other team members. This has happened three times. Three times not twice.
Jackson has played him once and played poorly. If you want to use the group project analogy then which is more likely: The one where one person does as much as they can and the other 5 people don’t do much or 5 people doing as much as they can and they need the one person to do more?
Like I said before unless u think Jackson can’t play well in a playoff game Jackson has a better shot because one person playing better is easier to achieve than the rest of the bills team excluding Allen needing to play better.
Anyone who’s gets the holding calls to be called. Just like the first half of the season
No one is the answer.
Ravens have a better o-line, better run game, better coach and better def. Plus Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson are in the same teir of qb
Same tier in the regular season? Definitely! in the playoffs? Hell no!
@@bondsgoat25 you’re right because of all those super bowls josh Allen won right?? Oh wait my bad, AFC championships. Oh wait
@@JT2327bills loses were not all on Allen. Allen has better ability to win a game than Jackson.
U don’t have to be built anyway u just need to win baby
This is one of those weird situations where consistency is not a good thing. The Ravens are set up to be the Indianapolis Colts of the 2000s; they will just get better & more stable every season, bur still won't be able to succeed in the playoffs (maaaaaybe in an off-year for the league, they might win a Super Bowl; most likely though, nothing will happen). Essentially, they're going to get locked into that mold, and be too good to warrant reconstructing for championship success (instead, they'll just keep trying to tweak what they got). Buffalo though us interesting; they are the less stable team, but they also are going to be more willing to be more flexible & make 1 or 2 larger changes, that will poise them to be championship caliber at some point; weirdly, their instability makes them more poised for long term success.
Ah the good ole Buffalo Bills. Perpetually the, "next year is our year," and destined to get bounced by KC in the post season.
You’re acting like every team with an elite qb is trying to win “next year”
They've had 2 truly healthy shots in 2020 and 2021. I'd hardly say the last two years have been great shots for them and they still could have done it this yeat
@@deliriousgeorge2879 The Bills have been trying to get to the SB the last three years. Evidence by the obscene signing of Von Miller.
@@crustybs46 And this year and they've all been ended by KC. The Bengals got them last year and it was embarrassing.
@devingilliam5601 they haven't been remotely healthy the last two seasons. Not like oh they have a guy or two injured. Like starting multiple practice squad guys hurt
When Perna talks football instead of Blop Ten and Curse Wheel ... urgh. He sounds like Nick Wright ate a bucket of chewables.