Im very interested to see the final results of the build. So far this looks amazing. Was playing Spirit Born but got extremely bored because of how powerful it is right now. So I started a Blood Surge Necro two days ago and after watching this im even more excited for the journey
Very impressive clear. Other than perfect gear, the only other optimizations I can see is the removal of points in Drain Vitality. Those would regain points for Inspiring Leader if you needed the sacrificial on amulet to hit Crit Cap, and swapping Great Feast to amulet is a 1.155172414 increase vs the damage difference in Sacrificial which is a 1.140496135 bump. That ends up being a whopping 1.28% damage increase, but it's still technically stronger. It could also just get you points for tendrils to pack the mobs a bit better during trash clear so Decrep hits more and executes faster (unless the trash on the outskirts being hit for lucky hit ends up producing better clear for you) or they can go into movement speed for faster movement towards orbs and through the dungeon. Then counting an elite pack with DR aura. Elite monsters were Unstoppable for 60% of the fight (50 seconds clear with 30 seconds of unstoppable), so at least vs Elites control is less than 50% effective (did the math, Amplify is a 1.2089 at 100% uptime and Control is a 1.138752 if you assume 40% uptime consistently). You stagger the boss 4 times (28 seconds of the 3+ minute fight) so ~15% of that fight. I think Corporeal/Amplify would be stronger. Love to see what the final resting place of the build it but your Rathma proc rate seems very good and hard to out-perform. p.s. saw a later comment about needing unique stagger effects, which should be true but as of testing in previous seasons, individual temper CC's are read as unique stagger effects for whatever reason. Would need to retest this season but Stun ends up being the strongest option.
Thanks man! I'm really glad you brought this up on Sacrificial vs Feast on amulet in particular, I have been trying to grok which of the two provides more damage there for a while now (I was even thinking about posting in your disc to ask for your help understanding it lol). Off the top of my head I can't figure out how we get the 1.155 vs 1.140 relative increase, but if the overall multi is higher then I'd much rather move the 1 point into Inspiring leader and swap the two aspects as you said. Does having 4/3 in Memento mori tip the scale back toward sacrificial on amulet, or is that already factored in? That is a great point on Control as well, I've had trouble eyeballing how and when normal mobs/elites become unstoppable, so I mostly went with "bigger number better" lol. I think if I swap Corporeal in, since it's a magic node-boosting glyph I may rearrange my boards if I'm able to put it to better use in BBB rather than Flesh-eater. Also good looking out on the CC types--I remember reading previously where someone (iirc Avarilyn) said that different sources of the same CC type count as separate rolls for building boss stagger, but that more than 1 of the same Worldly Fortune temper type (like having 2 stun tempers) could only proc stagger once, just with the higher combined chance. So that's kinda what I was basing my thoughts around, but if Stun is uniquely stronger than other types then that may be more useful
Dude, thanks for letting us know this is possible! Question. Without essence per second, your essece should be slowly decrease, but I didn't see that, why? How do u make res cap? Through paragon?
In high tier content where you have 100% soulrift uptime, the amount of essence drained by Great Feast is basically negligible compared to the amount gained by soulrift, plus the LHC to Restore Resource stat is helping as well (though the latter isn't strictly required). If I stood totally still and didn't attack anything it would very slowly drain, as baseline ess/sec is 3, and I probably have about 3.5 just from willpower + resource gen on shroud. So in a pit with constant combat, the ess/sec roll is not needed. For res cap I'm using Raheir's 15% all res passive
I'm not 100% sure, as I haven't played Spirit Wave yet myself. My estimation would be that this build farms content faster, but that Spirit Wave (based on the unofficial leaderboard rankings) is going to push 4-5 tiers higher in the Pit when geared well.
Freeze is slightly better since we already have 2 sources of Stuns (Enhanced Decrepify + Crippling Darkness), and both are equivalent full/hard CCs which last the same duration from the temper. But if your boots landed on Stun and you are out of tempers, or have few remaining and don't want to chance it, Stun is fine too. It will provide the same amount of boss stagger build-up as Freeze, mobs will just grow immune to it faster due to us already proccing several forms of Stun.
Yeah pretty much. You can make it cost a lot more using Lucion's Crown (up to about 72 cost per cast), but there's no way to regen the essence back fast enough to keep continuously casting without giving up several damage aspects + other stat rolls that provide more damage
Im very interested to see the final results of the build. So far this looks amazing. Was playing Spirit Born but got extremely bored because of how powerful it is right now. So I started a Blood Surge Necro two days ago and after watching this im even more excited for the journey
Very impressive clear. Other than perfect gear, the only other optimizations I can see is the removal of points in Drain Vitality. Those would regain points for Inspiring Leader if you needed the sacrificial on amulet to hit Crit Cap, and swapping Great Feast to amulet is a 1.155172414 increase vs the damage difference in Sacrificial which is a 1.140496135 bump. That ends up being a whopping 1.28% damage increase, but it's still technically stronger. It could also just get you points for tendrils to pack the mobs a bit better during trash clear so Decrep hits more and executes faster (unless the trash on the outskirts being hit for lucky hit ends up producing better clear for you) or they can go into movement speed for faster movement towards orbs and through the dungeon. Then counting an elite pack with DR aura. Elite monsters were Unstoppable for 60% of the fight (50 seconds clear with 30 seconds of unstoppable), so at least vs Elites control is less than 50% effective (did the math, Amplify is a 1.2089 at 100% uptime and Control is a 1.138752 if you assume 40% uptime consistently). You stagger the boss 4 times (28 seconds of the 3+ minute fight) so ~15% of that fight. I think Corporeal/Amplify would be stronger.
Love to see what the final resting place of the build it but your Rathma proc rate seems very good and hard to out-perform.
p.s. saw a later comment about needing unique stagger effects, which should be true but as of testing in previous seasons, individual temper CC's are read as unique stagger effects for whatever reason. Would need to retest this season but Stun ends up being the strongest option.
Thanks man! I'm really glad you brought this up on Sacrificial vs Feast on amulet in particular, I have been trying to grok which of the two provides more damage there for a while now (I was even thinking about posting in your disc to ask for your help understanding it lol). Off the top of my head I can't figure out how we get the 1.155 vs 1.140 relative increase, but if the overall multi is higher then I'd much rather move the 1 point into Inspiring leader and swap the two aspects as you said. Does having 4/3 in Memento mori tip the scale back toward sacrificial on amulet, or is that already factored in?
That is a great point on Control as well, I've had trouble eyeballing how and when normal mobs/elites become unstoppable, so I mostly went with "bigger number better" lol. I think if I swap Corporeal in, since it's a magic node-boosting glyph I may rearrange my boards if I'm able to put it to better use in BBB rather than Flesh-eater. Also good looking out on the CC types--I remember reading previously where someone (iirc Avarilyn) said that different sources of the same CC type count as separate rolls for building boss stagger, but that more than 1 of the same Worldly Fortune temper type (like having 2 stun tempers) could only proc stagger once, just with the higher combined chance. So that's kinda what I was basing my thoughts around, but if Stun is uniquely stronger than other types then that may be more useful
Now there is hope on my necro.. thank you for this
Dude, thanks for letting us know this is possible!
Question. Without essence per second, your essece should be slowly decrease, but I didn't see that, why?
How do u make res cap? Through paragon?
In high tier content where you have 100% soulrift uptime, the amount of essence drained by Great Feast is basically negligible compared to the amount gained by soulrift, plus the LHC to Restore Resource stat is helping as well (though the latter isn't strictly required). If I stood totally still and didn't attack anything it would very slowly drain, as baseline ess/sec is 3, and I probably have about 3.5 just from willpower + resource gen on shroud. So in a pit with constant combat, the ess/sec roll is not needed. For res cap I'm using Raheir's 15% all res passive
@@nepter-3Thanks man!!
Nicely done! How would you say this compares to Spirit Wave Necro?
I'm not 100% sure, as I haven't played Spirit Wave yet myself. My estimation would be that this build farms content faster, but that Spirit Wave (based on the unofficial leaderboard rankings) is going to push 4-5 tiers higher in the Pit when geared well.
Noob question: why you overpower all the time? Paranormal Blood Surge only or I'm missing something?
Yeah, just that + I've turned off all damage numbers besides overpowers so there is less clutter
@@nepter-3 Thx
Does it make difference whether you temper Freeze chance or Stun chance on boots, or does it simply need to be any CC?
Freeze is slightly better since we already have 2 sources of Stuns (Enhanced Decrepify + Crippling Darkness), and both are equivalent full/hard CCs which last the same duration from the temper. But if your boots landed on Stun and you are out of tempers, or have few remaining and don't want to chance it, Stun is fine too. It will provide the same amount of boss stagger build-up as Freeze, mobs will just grow immune to it faster due to us already proccing several forms of Stun.
@@nepter-3I am wondering if freeze will reduce the number of corpses
@@chris.w391 No there's no interaction between freeze + corpses
Hey bro why would banished lords talisman not be better in this build is it because there’s no way to get blood surge to cast with all 275 resource?
Yeah pretty much. You can make it cost a lot more using Lucion's Crown (up to about 72 cost per cast), but there's no way to regen the essence back fast enough to keep continuously casting without giving up several damage aspects + other stat rolls that provide more damage