Your Biggest Climbing Mistakes FIXED - V0-V4

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  • @galsamuel1
    @galsamuel1 ปีที่แล้ว +92

    Really good video. However, I don't fully agree that mistake #2 is indeed a mistake. Often, beginner climbers' biggest difficulty is to visualise, and if you can't visualise properly, you are going to struggle finding the best way to do the route. Going up the first time "ungracefully" often helps visualising and understanding the correct way to go. There is a lot to learn from trying and succeeding in a "bad way".

    • @isabelnecessary5915
      @isabelnecessary5915 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I got the impression they just meant not to do that all the time, not that you shouldn’t ever do it.

    • @simondavis1303
      @simondavis1303 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I'm a beginner but yeah the first couple of times you just got to brute force it and see how it feels, now on my 3rd and 4th session I can actually visualize the movements and act them out before I get on the wall. I'm doing V2s now since my 4th session but I do have some weight lifting and calisthenics background just need to master and be aware of the techniques to be more energy efficient to get to V3 to V4.

  • @matthewarnett2821
    @matthewarnett2821 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    I’m barely getting v4s but finally getting v3s regularly

  • @thatnewdungeondude386
    @thatnewdungeondude386 2 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    my biggest break through wa just going for some moves. instead of looking at something and thinking I couldn't do it, I would just go for it. more times than not I could get it

  • @madmike159
    @madmike159 ปีที่แล้ว +58

    Mistake 2 is a great one. Lots of people (especially guys, because I guess we are competitive) don't want to be seen doing "easy stuff". I always warm up on a easy circuit (V0-2 for me generally), and try climbs again if I make mistakes (lots of noise, kicking the wall, missing feet, cutting loose, toe dragging etc). Prevents injury and really helps wire in the basic movements.

    • @deadlykilla39
      @deadlykilla39 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      i made mistake #1 until i saw this video. i didnt know you had to twist and place your hips to the wall .

  • @SirPieRoyal
    @SirPieRoyal 2 ปีที่แล้ว +82

    Great video. I find that beginner problems tend to be hard to visualize with the high density of holds to chose from

  • @Lukas_Seidl_1
    @Lukas_Seidl_1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +256

    I don't know if I agree completely with the second one. What's considered good technique often requires far more body tension and time on the wall than people climbing these grades have, especially if it's anywhere near their max grade. Technique as shown in the video pretty much only works if you're far stronger than you need to be for the route. You'll never look this smooth or controlled if you climb something actually difficult for you, especially when bouldering. You should still practice this stuff ofc.

    • @joeybissell4196
      @joeybissell4196 2 ปีที่แล้ว +55

      True, we only see these climbers who I am guessing are about V8 level climbing on jug ladders. Massive footholds which are easily milked to death by drop knees at every move. We should see videos on how to PUSH your grade and see these presenters at their limit talking through what they do when they are at THEIR limit

    • @ArmenJosh
      @ArmenJosh 2 ปีที่แล้ว +52

      I think somewhat counterintuitively, climbing at your limit will usually result in you looking very smooth on the wall. In a lot of cases for me if I’m going to get my ass up the wall I need to use the best technique possible. On sub maximal climbing you’ll see form slip because you don’t need to have every move dialed perfectly to finish the climb.
      Technique and body positioning is used as a means to reduce the strength needed to finish a climb. I disagree with the notion that you must be stronger than the grade of the climb to use the best form on it. Rather it is that through using the best form that you learn the method requiring the least strength.
      The message here is to always practice good form, even on sub maximal climbing. That way you are well equipped on your projects to use the best form possible.

    • @zacharylaschober
      @zacharylaschober 2 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      Development of technical practices has to happen below the physical limit because you simply do not have enough time to consider effective movement patterns operating at your limit and you do not have enough chances to practice before fatigue sets in. Plus, most every sequence can be solved in a variety of ways, thus being efficient is not a matter of selecting the way but making good use of a way, and if you are lacking the skill then implementing at your limit and gauging how successful or close to success that was is much harder.
      Hence, get on an easier boulder and just use the same movement as many times as possible.

    • @Arsenal17Jimmy
      @Arsenal17Jimmy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      I think you might be misunderstanding it. The second point is more about being always mindful of techniques. You should do this on easy problems as well as when trying hard.
      You might not be applying the best techniques but you won't improve if you don't think about it and only focus on getting to the top.

    • @TuvofLuv
      @TuvofLuv 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Have you felt like you're at your limit on every move, every vein popping, only to come down to have mates say you made it look easy? That's you using all the technique.

  • @Zach-ul5fm
    @Zach-ul5fm 2 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    It is interesting to me that the last tip you give is about over-extending. I think I actually see more new climbers bring their feet up too high, into positions where it is more difficult to stand on their feet and simultaneously pushing their torso farther from the wall.

  • @clarehiggins5398
    @clarehiggins5398 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Thank you! Always a good reminder to twist more and twist better. I naturally twist a lot on the wall, am a short person so I often need to, but watching this video I realize I'm still twisting ineffectively a lot of the time. The tip about trying to touch your hip to the wall is a great visual example of what I'm missing!

  • @sirstephington8869
    @sirstephington8869 2 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    Great video! Unfortunately as an aphantasic, I can't visualize myself whatsoever. Instead, miming the climb is really all I can do in that sense.

    • @sarahpreston4558
      @sarahpreston4558 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      im the same way and i usually try to imagine what the moves will feel like, and also to figure out contingency plans for when my screwy sense of space screws me over haha

    • @riptide3340
      @riptide3340 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I do something similar too. I mimic the climb, look for the correct grab angles, and try to look at chalk and scuff marks to see where most people put their hands and feet.
      extra emphasis on the last one. It’s super helpful, but I haven’t seen many of my people mention it lol.

  • @alexdiamond3987
    @alexdiamond3987 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Route reading before hand is cool but I also love just jumping on a wall with no knowledge. Feels a little more like rock that way. Helps build problem solving on the fly

    • @HochstartHarry
      @HochstartHarry ปีที่แล้ว

      Exactly what i was thinking. I run around bolder gyms because im really a trad/mixed multipitch guy and feel kinda underwhelmed when it comes to length and spontanius descisions. This one place i go to sometimes has a undefined grad where you dont even know what your getting into, could be easy or dam near impossible, i usually try and do all of those if i do ever visit.

  • @jacob-gallaga
    @jacob-gallaga ปีที่แล้ว +6

    THANK YOU! I just got into climbing recently, and your tips of body positioning and not twisting enough are super helpful.

  • @lisastormo5803
    @lisastormo5803 2 ปีที่แล้ว +156

    I can’t visualize anything, and so many videos talk about how important it is 😭

    • @urabagofcells2228
      @urabagofcells2228 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      I can visualize but i can’t ever remember while on the wall. I prefer repeating phrases in my head like “left, right, left, left”, “drop knee” or “right heel hook” when I’m working on a project and trying to get one move further than before.

    • @ItsDonutHD
      @ItsDonutHD ปีที่แล้ว +27

      Figured I’d find a fellow aphantasic in these comments. definitely a struggle for us.

    • @ting0810
      @ting0810 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Me either. I don’t think it’s possible to visualize and plan the route for totally beginner like me.

    • @lisastormo5803
      @lisastormo5803 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      @@ting0810 nono, I mean I literally cannot visualize at all. In any situation. I see nothing in my head 😅 Its called aphantasia, and I didnt even know that other people could actually literally see things «in their minds eye».

    • @lisastormo5803
      @lisastormo5803 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@urabagofcells2228 you know, I could try saying those things out loud so I can «hear» it while Im on the wall. Thanks for the tip!

  • @aWilson41
    @aWilson41 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I'd really love a video on body positions and movements to avoid for sake of injury.

  • @AnttiAlajuuma
    @AnttiAlajuuma ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I've climbed for years. Especially route climbing on rock which tends to be pretty vertical or slab in Finland. In recent years I've started to boulder more and I've noticed that even though I may be V5-V7 climber on vertical wall, I'm a beginner at steep overhangs where the movement is quite a bit different. Tips on this video are very useful. Especially the proper twisting of pelvis.

  • @LluxenTenebris
    @LluxenTenebris 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I enjoy trying a route first without visualizing or seriously studying it. Forces me to think and feel it out as I climb. Then I think about improvements or different moves I could make, whether I topped out or not.

  • @grahamemacmullen7731
    @grahamemacmullen7731 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    Great video. I agree it is so important to practice your technique on easier routes and it also starts to develop your all around strength and endurance and reduces the risk of injury in your first months! Plus working on flow and efficiency can feel enjoyable! Thanks Lattice team

  • @nxtwomenfan497
    @nxtwomenfan497 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    I'm definitely a beginner climber (I've bouldered maybe 7-8 times so far, and am maxing out on V1 routes) and have made every single mistake pointed out in this video. I'm currently having a very difficult time learning the basics, because I'm 6'2" and very lanky to the point where I'm pretty much all limbs on the wall - and can't visualize beta either in advance or in mid-climb. Making moves like twisting and trying to push up with my legs only seems to get me further away from the wall, instead of further up the wall. At the same time, I don't want to give into the easy temptation to just rely on my height and arms to campus everything...because I do want to develop good technique. It's a frustrating place to be. But I really appreciate how your video attempts to explain everything, and I'll try to use these tips.

    • @mickmockedmack
      @mickmockedmack ปีที่แล้ว +1

      How is your climbing journey going since posting this?

    • @nxtwomenfan497
      @nxtwomenfan497 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@mickmockedmack After writing my original comment above, I did start to get the hang of the basics after some more trips to the gym with more experienced friends. Truly, I really did just need to “climb more”, as is often said. Now, I can send problems through V2 and have sent one V3. I’m still working, still learning and still failing, but at least have enough of a foundational experience and route-reading ability where I now have confidence and belief in myself when I come to the gym.

    • @chadshowdown9382
      @chadshowdown9382 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@nxtwomenfan497I’m a 6’3 211lbs guy who primarily weight lifts. I’ve been climbing 6-7 times over the last 6 months and I’m running into the same issues you mentioned. It’s annoying sometimes when my friend who’s shorter gives me advice to just “stand up” when standing up and making my legs straight climbing at some angles just pushes me away from the wall. My biggest issues besides the obvious grip strength for all beginners is that my balance is so off and it’s hard to get my hips close to the wall and not have to fight against my own body to stay on the wall.
      I’ve climbed 2 V4’s and a bunch of V3’s - if you’ve found any advice to get closer to the wall or balance better as a tall climber please share them. Good luck on your journey!

  • @MegaChaien
    @MegaChaien 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I agree with over extend and it’s currenyly my weakness. As a tall climber I’m very easily reach higher hold but it makes me have a very bad beta when climbing outdoor

  • @rockstarjazzcat
    @rockstarjazzcat ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I prefer "climbing dirty" to "junk mileage." The body can teach us a lot if left to its own devices. Not at all suggesting that climbing dirty obviates the need for great technique! Cheers, Daniel

  •  2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    I think it would be nice to have a video focusing on route reading / visualization.
    I personally have the impression I cannot do it well / it does not help me much, since I usually first need to give the route a try before being able to correctly guess what kind of movement I should be doing. After the first try I can “visualize” it better and plan before the next try, but not so well before the first try.
    I wonder if an example video could help us with the thought process for the route reading / visualization.

    • @LatticeTraining
      @LatticeTraining  2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      This is a good idea! Out of interest, how long have you been climbing for?

    •  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@LatticeTraining on and off for 8 years, mostly sport climbing indoors, sometimes outdoors. For the past 2 months I started climbing more often and focusing on bouldering (1x week) and strength training at home.

    • @LatticeTraining
      @LatticeTraining  2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @ Thanks! We have a video coming out Monday where we talk about flashing boulders, this should help with some tips for route reading :) I'll keep this in mind for a topic in the future too!

    • @Prachtnelke
      @Prachtnelke ปีที่แล้ว

      @@LatticeTraining Is there already a route reading Video or do I have to wait? :)

  • @Rohan7ish
    @Rohan7ish ปีที่แล้ว

    nicely explained, really helpful for beginner climber and this topics help trainers to train their students. thank a lot. cheers.

  • @bladesofglory100
    @bladesofglory100 ปีที่แล้ว

    Lol I've been climbing for a couple years and generally go for v5-7 but some of this advice was extremely helpful for me

  • @johnmortslleh2929
    @johnmortslleh2929 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    First off, I love Lattice videos.
    I do however feel that alot of these beginner training videos with "mistakes" people make really come down to finger strength.
    If you can't hold it you can't move in that particular way.
    Volume volume volume :)

    • @LatticeTraining
      @LatticeTraining  2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Thanks John. This can certainly be the case for some. A level of strength is required to perform good movement. Though we've seen many climbers with excellent finger strength that still make these common mistakes. Sometimes being very strong can make it more challenging to see opportunities to learn good movement, particularly in the early years of climbing.

    • @Zach-ul5fm
      @Zach-ul5fm 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I disagree. I see a lot of beginners at the gym fail on routes in the v2-v4 grades while obviously having the strength to accomplish them. The problem in these cases is that they aren't using some technique that makes the move easier.

  • @bryanwanphotography
    @bryanwanphotography ปีที่แล้ว

    Fantastic video! Great tips definitely will be trying to train more effectively when im on the wall

  • @josetoledo9627
    @josetoledo9627 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Definitely not twisting enough, but I've learned.

  • @milindsharma8106
    @milindsharma8106 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Awesome video guys!

  • @kamron_thurmond
    @kamron_thurmond 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I bought a brush. Big help.

  • @spacecowboysucio
    @spacecowboysucio 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank u for this kinda of content. Is so usefull

  • @aritzoyaga
    @aritzoyaga 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Que bien habla este chico siempre

  • @florianbar873
    @florianbar873 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    If you mostly need to jump for holds because you are shorter than the average climber - is that considered good technique? At my gym I've tried using good technique by twisting my hips into the wall and keeping my arms streight, but this mostly doesn't help because I'm nowhere near to the next hold, whereas the taller climbers can easily reach. Or their feet never cut, but I need to cut to be able to get that additional reach for the next hold.

    • @LatticeTraining
      @LatticeTraining  2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Yes absolutely! Jumping can be considered good technique if this is the best way for you to make the move. Some climbers need more reach and some are excellent at using momentum to make the movement more efficient. Our pervious video (last week) was about using momentum. We consider this a very important technique. Check it out if you haven't already :)

  • @khusanakramkhodjaev5583
    @khusanakramkhodjaev5583 ปีที่แล้ว

    I started analyzing my climbing videos and noticed that I am not keeping my back posture straight enough while getting up. Is there any advice that can help me with my back posture?

  • @goldencookie5456
    @goldencookie5456 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Some people aren't able to visualize unfortunately. It's called aphantasia.

  • @Savantjazzcollective
    @Savantjazzcollective ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I completely disagree with the visualisation for beginners. It best just to climb and figure out what needs to be done on the route and to do many repetitions. This way we have tangible feedback and it is not theoretical, I mean when was the last time a newbie set-out to on-sight a route? They need time on the wall, not abstraction.

    • @LatticeTraining
      @LatticeTraining  ปีที่แล้ว

      I think we have to agree to disagree on this one. Climbing is just as cognitive as it is physical. I still see strong climbers make odd choices climbing or come down from a move not knowing what they did, how they fell off or how to repeat the movement. Mind-body connections is so important and that starts with preparation on the floor. Leaning this from the very beginning is important IMO. Spending time between attempts visualising and reflecting is not going to take away from time spent on the wall.

    • @Savantjazzcollective
      @Savantjazzcollective ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@LatticeTraining I respect your opinion! A newbie can not even fathom how to read or visualise climbing a wall, they take the holds one at a time. Learning the hard way by failure is the right of passage for all climbers, in my opinion.... thanks for the content..

  • @leahkoffman4304
    @leahkoffman4304 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    my main issue is not always knowing what techniue to use where. Like ill fall from a climb and then watch somene else do it, and behold.. they do a heel hook to get themselves up. I just want to be able to know when it neccessary todo that sort of stuff, Caue i never think abt doing heel hook

    • @rochellesmith8837
      @rochellesmith8837 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I found that it just came with time for me. I also don't really visualize well, but the more climbs I did, the more I could guess different tools to use. I watched other people do my climb, and when they tried something I hadn't thought of, I tried that heel hook. Then the next time, I knew more about what it felt like for a heel to help, and I think of it more. Think of it like getting used to a tool set, you get familiar with them by watching someone else and then practice getting comfortable yourself.

  • @Teraku1503
    @Teraku1503 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You: talking about visualising
    Me: has aphantasia 😢

  • @JoshMcGehee
    @JoshMcGehee ปีที่แล้ว

    No dropper and tubes are such a turn off 😅

  • @scrappyclimber
    @scrappyclimber 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Mistake 1: “not TWSiting enough”. Twisting*

  • @whale-gr1ws
    @whale-gr1ws หลายเดือนก่อน

    It would help if the words of the video weren’t covering the person demonstrating

  • @ishbelcoulter8681
    @ishbelcoulter8681 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Not routereading and scrapping junk mileage are such silly suggestions, let me swing about mentally and chuck myself off the wall in peace

    • @gezzapk
      @gezzapk 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah try to tell a monkey about junk mileage and he will laugh at you while doing a one handed dyno.

  • @kinsleyvitter9529
    @kinsleyvitter9529 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    mistake 8: Not being stronger

  • @blyg9992
    @blyg9992 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Your first tip sucks. You recommend drop-knees in general without talking about what scenario they're good in. True, your explanation says "twisting" which seems more general than just drop-knees, but your only examples are drop knees on jug ladders with good feet. That's misleading and often drop-knees or "twisting" can get your hips further from the wall, making the climb harder. The other tips seem great though.

    • @Zach-ul5fm
      @Zach-ul5fm 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I disagree with your comment.

  • @milindsharma8106
    @milindsharma8106 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    FIRST

  • @PhweeRage
    @PhweeRage 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great to see someone giving it a go at presenting. But it's really not for him sadly.

  • @LizzyWithAWhy
    @LizzyWithAWhy 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Your first mistake was wearing jeans climbing

  • @marceloquirogasalas8354
    @marceloquirogasalas8354 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    this is GOLD! Thanks so much

  • @saxon8981
    @saxon8981 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Tswiting

  • @Nimmersang
    @Nimmersang 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What Boulder Trousers u using?

  • @Mawo77
    @Mawo77 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you for the video 🫶🏻

  • @nicolasdimatteo3356
    @nicolasdimatteo3356 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for the tips!

  • @PfropfNo1
    @PfropfNo1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I still dont understand the hip-twisting. I actually tested it on the simplest grade and I didn't have any more reach with twisted hips. I felt with the "straight" hip I could reach even farther. Also it pushes my center of gravity further away from the wall. because my hip is wider than deeper, pushing the hip straight to the wall gets my center of gravity closer.
    I agree the twisting looks much more elegant and professional and I did it extensively for quiet some time. Until I noticed it doesn't really do anything besides looking good...

  • @bb1039
    @bb1039 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    just climb more, you catch on soon enough and collect experience along the way

    • @LatticeTraining
      @LatticeTraining  2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      We agree, good climbers climb a lot. However not everyone has the time. We work with many clients that need to try and make the most of limited time or resources. So it can be very helpful to be diligent in our time practicing climbing.

  • @gamer8622
    @gamer8622 ปีที่แล้ว

    My biggest problem with climbing is going back too fast and not recovering my strength enough to even top out a v1 lol