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- Our examination of the "Evolution Exposed" all-star creationist six-hour epic seminar with Ray Comfort and 10 other well-known prominent anti-evolution speakers. This time, Dr Jason Lisle tells us that the rationality of the mind is evidence for a young-earth creator.
Featuring Stephen Woodford of @rationalityrules
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Ok. That "phenomenon" followed by Muppets tune was comedy genius.
It's gold, Jerry, gold!
Thank you
@@Paulogia It's what always happens in my head whenever I hear the word. :3
@@Rei-Rei Yep!
It was phenomenal, if I may say so.
I'm that way whenever someone says "The Bible says" and the Jesus loves me jingle! Seriously, shouldn't ALL religious debates begin there? With clarifying the debaters' positions on sacred texts? If the final word is the Bible or Qur'an, then there's no conversation to be had.
Love the crossovers. Stephen is great. Hope to see more of you two together. Hoping we're going to see one with Alex soon too. 🤞
Paulogia will need to cover veganism for Alex to be on.
yeah I really love how he thinks trans women shouldn't compete in women's sports
@@sangieredwolf He admitted he was wrong about that long ago. Get a grip
@@David34981 no he didn’t. He said he wrong to say it but was right about the science. Demanded he was right about while ignoring that the science isn’t in fact settled on the matter. Also he completely ignored the multiple fallacies in his original anti-trans rant. But our favorite atheists are giving him a pass, so…
"The Poseidon believer has an explanation for the tides of the ocean, if you spill milk on the ground they don't have tides, they just sit there, clearly you need Poseidon to make the tides"
I doubt Lisle would accept this but it's the same thing he's saying.
You're just not spilling enough milk. Spill a _lot_ more and you'll have those tides. They might even be more powerful, as the Milk might resonate with the Cheese of the Moon.
My wife and I have been inserting 'doot dooooo be-doo doo' after every 'phenomenon' we hear (or use) for yeeeeears. Seeing you you use it gives me a sense of vindication I can't really express clearly...😂
'Sometimes Illness Wins' is the kind of profoundly important book that can unfortunately spend a long time in the wilderness before recieving the recognition they deserve.
Likewise... Discworld is a fine companion to grief... GNU Sir Terry Pratchett.
It always makes me chuckle when people trying to make a case for the existence of libertarian free will say things like "rationality requires that we can consider all the options, and freely choose the best one".
That's the thing -- you can ONLY choose the one that's the best for you in the exact situation you're in. To do anything else would be irrational. Which means either people can choose to be irrational (which goes against his whole point), or they can ONLY be rational (which means there is no actual free will being exercised).
I love the team-ups and crossovers! Keep them coming!!!
It's like the MCU, or xmen comics in the 90s. Ug. I'm a nerd.
Rationality Rules has such a smooth buttery voice. I love listening to the guy
My mind doesn't tell me things. I am my mind. Separating "me" from my "mind" is gibberish. People ARE their minds, their minds don't "tell" them things.
You two are my absolute favorites! You're the one-two punch to theists when it comes to philosophy and historicity.
I think that is the funniest things I've heard. Paul's arguments are only good if you are anti-god and want them to be good.
@@jamiehudson3661 I’m sorry you feel that way. Whenever you want to find your way out, we’re here for you.
@@JM-us3fr That's the second funniest thing I've ever heard.
This is what passes as an expert in philosophy and history to atheists.hahaha.
@@GoodByeSkyHarborLive No, experts in philosophy and history would be people like Graham Oppy or Bart Ehrman (who have both been on Paul's show before). Thankfully, most theists have such bad arguments that even amateurs like Stephen or Paul can refute them.
Love seeing two of my favourite creators together. Keep up the good work, my friends 👍
WITH ALL THE CIRCULAR REASONING PUT FORTH BY JASON, IT IS A WONDER HE CAN KEEP HIS BALANCE. HE WOULD MAKE A GOOD ASTRONAUT WITH THAT INNER EAR
Jason on chemistry: chemicals have no choice, they follow laws of nature. The chemicals must fizz
Jason on evolution: it's chance, completely random.
I wonder why ppl nickname him Dr. Liar
And he keeps saying that the brain is just a series of chemical reactions that are not conscious, so how can they produce consciousness? His explanation is...magic? There is a term called 'emergance'. Emergence is something being more than the sum of its parts. This is a common phenomenon. The answer to his question is, "Consciousness is an emergant property of the brain."
@@breckhollis1089 yeah a handful of Christians dont think emergent properties are possible
A transistor has no choice, it just switches according to the laws of nature. A calculator must therefore have an external silicone soul in order to perform calculations.
@@Reactordrone
Of course they do. So do computers. How else would you program an AI?
@@MK-Ultra0 with a series of if-statements. Duh!
The quick transition scene just after 7:42 is greatly appreciated!
At 10:35 or so, Stephen talks about mutations being at the core of natural selection. I'd quibble that he really should have said "variation." Natural selection can push a population towards some more favorable configuration extremely quickly, much faster than mutations would allow, by exploiting pre-existing variations within the starting population. (This is especially true for complex creatures; for viruses and bacteria, mutations are indeed a first order driver). Mutations certainly are important to evolution for complex species too, but only in the much longer time horizon that, say, than the time scale that produced Darwin's finches.
This can be seen in selective breeding. One can quickly drive a population of plants or animals towards some desired outcome, but it will quickly plateau. The way out of it is to introduce "fresh blood" outside of that inbreed gene pool to mix things up and then selectively breed them again, hoping to push out the boundary a bit before hitting a plateau again.
4:34 - I chuckled a little too hard at this 😂
Phenomena doo doooo doo doo doo 🎶
That got me too 🤣🤣
This is what happens when a failed scientist, whom no one takes seriously, gives up on reasoning and claims he knows the source of reasoning.
Edit: for those of you who encounter presupps in the comments sections, the appropriate means of engaging these eels is not to, but the fun way is to simply say “toast”.
+1 for the inclusion of the most correct response to presups.
Or tell Darth you have a question from your friend Jack Angstreich.
9:11 this might be too simple for some people but I view loss of a loved one or close person as "they're no longer suffering so I must accept this loss and move on."
This has applied to family dying from cancer, those in my squad being killed, illness, suicide (intentional and unintentional), and loss of fur family. Anything else seems just self induced suffering. While I can both empathize and sympathize with those thoughts and emotions, I find it more productive on focusing on accepting the loss and that there's nothing I can do about it. Experience the emotions, learn from it, and move on. No multiple page book necessary.
The dead do not suffer. Only the living.
Thank you, Stephen and Paul, for the dilemma AND the earworm!!!
What a team!! Nice one lads
Thank you for completing the phenomena joke
I'm glad I'm not the only one who hears "do dodod do" whenever someone says "phenomenon"
I didn't before this video and now I can't unhear it so... thats great lol
Lol phenomena gag got me rolling 😂
“You are a beast, my dude”. Totally stealing this
Paulogia and Rationality Rules all in the same video. It cannot get better than this.
Throw in Alex and Drew, and you have the Four Horsemen of Counter-Apologetics.
Saying "evolution is random" is like saying a coin sorter is random, and the pennies, nickels, dimes, and quarters all just happen to get sorted out randomly. Natural Selection is a filter.
Regarding the "spilled milk" (bad) analogy: Natural selection repeats the filtering process until some mass on the planet happens to be intelligent. The "intelligent" mass (humans) on Earth is roughly 0.00000008% of Earth's total mass. Intelligence is rare, but eventually, natural selection will arrive at intelligence. The milk has neither sufficient mass or time to achieve intelligence.
The fact that they mock the very idea of evolution when they claim to use logic and rationality is quite hysterical and exposes their nothingness.
This was *supposed* to be the “Information Age”. Instead, it’s the “Dunning-Kruger Era”. 🤦🏼♂️
"God is rational" is such a weird thing to say about a guy who creates humans he knows will end up in Hell, only to subvert that expectation by creating himself as a human as his own son and then killing himself/his son so that he can let sinners into heaven. And then he still doesn't let all sinners into heaven!
The Abrahamic God is the Rube Goldberg of deities.
It's kinda sad, honestly. It's right down there on the same level as "my dad can beat up your dad". Snot-nosed manchild going 'NUH-UH MY 'MAJNAREE FREN SO _IS_ RATIONAL"
Always makes me want to call up their parents to let them know where they let their kid wander off to. And then slap them for not using birth control.
Rube Goldberg indeed, but with the caveat that at least Goldberg's designs and creations WORKED, unlike so often with the god of the bible. It is rather interesting that the god of the bible, when faced with problems (a maximally powerful diety having issues with its own creation is strange in and of itself and doesn't speak particularly well to its supposed design and creation prowess), rather than just fix them with its purported immense power and wisdom, instead comes up with these complex, convoluted schemes which usually don't address the problem or end in utter failure.
Can't believe you got the man resposible for coining consept of rationaly himself 🎉
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Ok Paul you played the sound in my head and I love it! Do doo do do do do do do dooo
Ha
@@Paulogia you should collab with majesty of reason. He is a cool guy
Thanks for doing this
Even Your sponsor is good willed and reasonable
Doc Lisle is an astrophysicist which makes his opinion of evolution as valid as any other creationist layman, which is to say not at all.
God damnit! I hate how much how I love that Muppets skit. I keep forgetting what he's talking about.
One of the best of your videos. Thanks.
Paulogia I would love to see a discussion between you and Tim Keller. Your videos challenge my faith and his videos keep me back.
I binged the whole playlist. The way you broke the creationist videos down so you could have experts talk about specific points. I am already a fan of some of the experts who contributed but now I have a list of others that I need to have a look at.
Theists do love that phrase "viciously circular". If only because they get to excuse their actual circular reasoning as "virtuous".
Excellent work with the muppet joke Paul. I did a spit take all over my keyboard. I'm not sure how many will get the reference, but I loved it. Thank you
Keep up the great work.
Ha. Thanks
@@Paulogia Creaky blinder also does it.
I had always gone, in my head, "doop doo de doo doo" whenever I heard someone say the word "Phenomenon". Ever since my little brother sang that song when he was 3 or 4, more than 45 years ago. Luckily the word "phenomenon" is not a commonly used word.
I think Paul needs a new jingle to go along with "For the Bible tells me so", called: "But that means I'm not special."
8:00 - I've always loved Africa, and I'm more than content to die here. Just wish we could get stuff like this here.
matching reality with ancient folklore is a hard task..amen
Belief in a God looks a lot like a drug addiction to me.
Phenomena!
You guys do a really good job with this stuff, though it has to be a bit annoying to react to the same tired old fallacies over and over. They have never been able to provide a reasonable argument for the existence of a god, so it's always some combination of strawman arguments, red herrings, shifting the burden of proof, etc. When it comes to the evolution red herring, which is exactly what it is, I just pull the rug out from under them. "Okay Evolutionary theory is wrong. Now, make an argument for a god." *crickets* Truth is: If they applied the same critical thinking skills to their own world view as they do Evolution, they'd be atheists.
The exhausting repetition is part of the strategy. Tire out the people fighting back, make them give up, so you can cram bullshit into law and schools and everything else unchecked.
Which is why we _CAN'T_ stop fighting these bastards. They need sane people to give up, because they can't win otherwise. It's hard to keep at it for us because _we care_ about the truth and they don't. It's easy to lie constantly and they get amusement from out frustration.
Another part of their strategy is to take what I just said and repeat it back to themselves with the roles reversed. It's like arguing with _particularly dumb asshole children._ Tiresome^2
More like the atheist and their denial
@@GoodByeSkyHarborLive have you ever found any actual evidence that your god belief is correct? Or is your entire understanding based in the same flawed understanding of existence that every other theist is trapped within?
@@GoodByeSkyHarborLive Got em! *airhorns*
When lacking evidence, instead of providing it just insult instead lol. Hmmm I wonder why that might be.
Lol not that i dont agree, but the standard response is: "if evolution is false, then the only possible explanation is god."
Dont expect these people to become rational in the face of a challenge.
Anyone who talks about you not being 'consistent in your worldview' is moments away from telling you that they are right because God told them they are right.
People say the Bible is the word of God but it's people saying it, not God.
And no one actually knows who wrote the books
Thanks for sharing. 😉👌🏻
thx for another great vid. love both you guys for your thought out views. also given me a new book to look out for, will have to go buy a few copies for my local hospital.
Good stuff! 🙂👍
17:20 He admits that even would be Christians have to "trust their minds" before they can "know God" then decides without evidence that a post hoc rationalization on the reliability of rationality and the mind being based on God is somehow "vindication". It doesn't remove the fact that one pretty much trusts their minds in order to even be Christian which makes for a heck of a crircular argument.
To all the creationists who said they could refute Evolution in 15 minutes - you couldn't refute jack-shit even if you had 1 million years, during which time you'd have evolved back into an amoeba.
Phenom•ma•na•do•dooooo•do•do•do
Thanks for the brain worm I'll have the rest of the day, and the needed giggle. Manamana do doooo do do do.... 😁
Every video is better when Dwight makes a cameo.
Evolution exposed, but it's all people explaining what evolution means and teach people
As Stephen has said, apologetics are about soothing the flock. It’s the act of quelling cognitive dissonance. Rationally has nothing to do with it.
Atheism is for losers. What good has Stephen nutjob done? All he does is make videos hating on religious people or religion. There's not much rationality to it.
You don't "discover" a natural force. You realize it exists.
if you're serialize this, please use the same tittle . changing only Part number. it makes it sooo much easier to look for.
thanks
There is a playlist with all the videos in the series.
Isaac Newton could just as easily reasoned that the apple falls because invisible intangible pixies are jumping up and down on it. But he didn't.
~blinks~ Did Jason really go "We are made in God's image, God is rational, humans can reason, thus God"?
If his argument was any more circular,you'd have to treat it as a roundabout.
At the start, Comfort said they pulled in 12 experts on the subject of evolution.
Well, where are they? I don't see q single expert on the panel.
Ah, I see your mistake. You simply have to define an expert as: A person that uses lies and misinformation with a mixture of ignorance to come up with bad reasons to believe in a god.
Checkmate, atheist.
Ray never mentions their field of expertise. 😉
I kind of balked at Paul hosting RR after he released some transphobic content. I actually didn't know that RR had apologized for it. Happy to see that he's turning himself around! I was worried he was following the the footsteps of some other youtubers.
What do you mean he apologized, everyone else just didnt understood his point... Oh wait, that was William Lowbar Craig, my bad.
I did agree the RR's original video was in poor taste. But when they went after Rachel Oates accusing her of being a transphobe just because of association, it was clear people weren't in it for genuine criticism. Jimmy Snow released a 4 video series about it, which sums up how I felt too.
Seemed like a case of having a thought, making a video, and then later doing some research. He got the order mixed up.
Of course he corrected himself when shown better evidence. That's what rational people do. Who is reading this that would continue to deny a god's existence if you were given valid evidence at least one does exist? I doubt any. Compare that to theists who maintain their beliefs no matter how much contradicting evidence is presented to them. Practically the definition of Delusional: maintaining false beliefs in spite of contradicting evidence.
@@Julian0101 What do you mean "everyone didn't understand"? If EVERYONE ELSE didn't understand him, then he didn't EXPLAIN HIMSELF properly.
However, RR's "argument", you can't actually CALL it an argument, was "trans women athletes have more testosterone than women in general have", but cis ATHLETE women have more testosterone than women in general have. Something "rationality rules" should keep his yap shut until he HAS evidence that there is a problem. But he had a conclusion he WANTED to be true, and like Lisle here, made connections to make him "right", whether reality agreed or not.
@@chrisclark784 Rachel did not at all know what she was talking about, all she FELT was how she was friends with Woodford, therefore Woodford was not wrong.
6:50. What’s Stephen’s question-begging logical fallacy? Upon what source of information does he rely that tells him the Bible is not accurate? Evolution? Darwin? Textual critics? His own intuition? The Bible is in error because ______ says it’s in error?
phenomenon "do doooo do do do"
phenomenon "do doo do do"
phenomenon "do doooo do do do, do do do, do doo do do dudo do"
The existence of irrationality thus disproves God. Can anyone point to an example, where someone made an irrational decision, then we have evidence of strong atheism. Right?
How about the 2016 presidential election in the USA? And the psychology of the winning candidate?
X exists therefore God?
And today's X factor?
Reason!
Oh, goodie!
Bring it, Comfort clones.
Love RR as a co-host!
Paul gets the best guests.
Makes a change from
Truth
Morals
Trees
The eye
Etc.
Watched all of it
Oh, on the contrary, Paul! I take Jason very seriously, just as I take any other religious extremist. A serious threat to the global society and progress.
1:52 Yeah. The apologist often shoots for a "win by default" approach. The best framming up of the issue is not Evolution vs Creation. It is Neo Darwinian Evolution true or false. Despite creation. The best work I've read on this does not even go to ultimate conclusions that are true or false. It is Darwin on Trial by Phillip Johnson. An evaluation of the philosophical underpinning of Neo Darwinian Evolutionary Theory.
as a fan of the muppets, i approve
If the ability to reason comes from god and not from the processes within our brains then why when the brain is damaged it can effect our ability to reason. If reason comes from god instead of our brains processing the world around us and our experiences in it, then why can adults, generally speaking, reason better than children?
18:56 i so agree
Sometimes I get the idea of just becoming a false apologist to exploit these people for their money. I am poor and if they fall for stuff like this, I could do WAY better.
Will you be doing a conversation with Ocean Keltoi about how he justifies belief?
My counter to "God made your brain" is, since the 10 commandments prove God, if believed, is arrogant and obsessive, then if he created our brain, he would have installed an automatic belief in him. Which he actually did in Adam & Eve. If the serpent didn't convince Eve, the two would have continued being the robotic, obedient slaves, but the knowledge showed them the truth, and the "truth will set you free".
Love this channel! Can you tell me what software you used to create your avatar?
Great stuff guys, I really appreciate the approach you're taking to this discussion, as I think pointing out, in a straightforward way, the obvious question begging that goes on from apologists is great. However, Stephen, I think you're missing the forest for the trees in your response to him saying that the human brain is simply an accident. I don't believe that by saying that he's making an assessment of the particular facets of evolution, but instead he's commenting on the nature of human existence. I think what he's saying is if we are evolved beings in a material-only universe, by whatever means that evolution may occur, then it means that the fact that we exist and the fact that the universe exists in such a way that evolution is possible is serendipitous.
I’m bewildered by his attitude as if he had already proven that we were made in God’s image before mentioning that it says this in the Bible, as if that wasn’t the source for his claim. That wasn’t a circular argument, it was just the first step of his argument stated backwards and he never made an argument.
I’m also bewildered as to how he imagines that everyone was born with the ability to think rationally when most people are irrational and only respond to the chemical emotions in their brains; which, in fact, is what he’s relying on by gaslighting people into scoffing at evolution. If all people are rational then the law of gravity would have been discovered much sooner.
I liked this video 4 times. So TH-cam thinks I liked and unliked it twice. I'm gonna like it 7 more times. Let's see what happens!
I gave my thumbs up purely for the muppets - and the rest but mainly the muppets
What I don't get here, is how these people think human brains work. If its not chemicals etc, what is it?
The 6 PACK child abuse club photo well done.
Nice Stephen avatar...!
There must be a joke for a gruop of creationist or anti-evolution theory.
Any input on this?
A presupposition of creationists?
Eleven speakers who never studied biology...
Joyous good day Paul and Stephen. Paul, I am curious how much Stephen paid you to drawl him with a real beard? Enjoy and be comfortable.
But if God is the source of rationality, then what is the source of irrationality?
Manamana! 😎
EDIT: Ok I get it...it was a little sudden
Not sure what happened at 7:43.
Thank you Dr. Lisle, you gave ample evidence that your religion has stopped you from using reason and evidence. And never gave any verifiable evidence that supports your assertions. Indeed verifiable evidence shows that the Earth is old, the universe older, life evolves and there was no Great Flood. Thus disproving the god of Genesis. Thus you do not have the word of a god.
"Reason, being able to reason, provides an advantage within evolution."
Does this mean that "reason" provides a dis-advantage within -religion- creationism?
It takes a disadvantage for religions, all of them. If you use reason, you won't adhere to dogma, and therefore you become "religious in name only" or even "atheist", because reason would lead you there and only dogma would keep you in the fold of a religion. This is true even for religions that supposedly revere rationality. See Jesuits.
If the Bible is 100% true and is the word of god. Shouldn't you be able to prove anything contained in it without only using biblical sources
I have a question which is not directly related other than being briefly mentioned. If man is made in gods image, that means god has a penis. Why does god have a penis?
I did think of other body parts but I thought that could lead to a crappy argument.
Sigh.
You have successfully put the Mahna Mahna song in my head.
Curse you Paulogia!
(Great video - sigh)
do, do....do, do, do
Its back, youre welcome
A car is just a collection of metal and plastic, therefore it can't work.
Pretty sure saying the mind is "just" cells and chemicals, confuses the parts for the whole.
Nice.
"Securlaist"
Ray and his faith based experts have a collection of ancient Hebrew stories which prove that animals don't change and adapt to their environment over time.
Like Ray, I don't understand science but I don't believe that Bronze Age fairy tales represent reality.
"…our brains’ [are] just chemical reactions…" Maybe he should try removing all his ‘brains’ chemical reactions’ and see just how well his brain works then!