SUBMERGED Mesolithic MEGASTRUCTURE Found In The BALTIC SEA
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- A recent paper published in the journal The Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences discusses the discovery of a submerged megastructure in the Baltic Sea. At a depth of 21 metres, this structure, named the Blinkerwall, stretches for almost one kilometre and is thought to have been built by Mesolithic hunter-gatherers. In this video I discuss the arguments for and against a natural origin for this ancient structure as outlined in the paper and the various hypotheses for its function.
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00:00 Introduction
00:42 The Bay of Mecklenburg
02:04 The Blinkerwall
04:15 Natural Processes
06:55 Anthropogenic Origins
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Geersen, J., Bradtmöller, M., Schneider von Deimling, J., Feldens, P., Auer, J., Held, P., Lohrberg, A., Supka, R., Hoffmann, J.J.L., Eriksen, B.V. and Rabbel, W., 2024. A submerged Stone Age hunting architecture from the Western Baltic Sea. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, 121(8), p.e2312008121.
O’Shea, J.M., Lemke, A.K., Sonnenburg, E.P., Reynolds, R.G. and Abbott, B.D., 2014. A 9,000-year-old caribou hunting structure beneath Lake Huron. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, 111(19), pp.6911-6915.
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Images from ‘Drop 45’ in Lake Huron, credit: O’Shea, J. M., et al. in the paper referenced above.
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Thank you for the video Laura
You may disagree with dates but this is intriguing:
a verse in Gen 10:25 that affirms a POST ice age effect of melting land and sea ice.
The ocean levels rose to a point, in Peleg's lifetime(Born: 2226 BC Died: 1987 BC), that the LAND masses were DIVIDED.
You could no longer walk on dry land to other Continents.
There are ancient shorelines with hewn timbers at the bottom of the Black Sea. The Mediteranean s levels rose to a point of overflowing into it.
There are ancient shorelines in the North Sea that have human worked artifacts on them.
In Hebrew, the word "earth" in verse 25 is "erets" and is in the old testament over 2100 times. It means EARTH, terra firma.....Every time.
It is the same word in Gen 1:1. " In the Beginning, God created the Heavens and the EARTH " SAME WORD- "erets"
Gen 10:25
"And unto Eber, were born two sons. One was Peleg, for in his day, the EARTH was divided"
@@avgejoeschmoe2027there's a lot of amazing history in those books, it seems weird that people still become radicalized by them though, guess they're looking for an out
Howe do I do... 4 geting in to contact whit you... I am a Sweed that is having more then a few intrest in this... and the Stone age... if you don't maind talking about this?
The submerged hunting blinds for caribou in Lake Huron are half in the United States and half in Canada. The Alpena-Amberley Ridge runs from Alpena, Michigan, southwest to Point Clark, Ontario. Such structures are well known in Arctic Canada, some dating from recent times. Halfway through this video, once the pictures appeared, this was the first thing that I guessed for the Blinkerwall, and I was absolutely certain before the video mentioned Lake Huron. In the prairie provinces of Canada, the Cree people constructed similar structures using wood and hides instead of the stone used in the Arctic. In fact, a famous man in Canadian history, Pîhtokahanapiwiyin [Chief Poundmaker] (1842-1886), was named after his ability to organize the building of such structures, and lead herds of buffalo to them.
It was an easy call. One of my direct ancestors was a close friend of Pîhtokahanapiwiyin, and I've known all about these structures since I was a child. I will be very surprised if this is not the correct identification.
They were called Buffalo Pounds. There is a Provincial Park in Saskatchewan with the same name, as well as a lake.
Good comment. I guess somebody had to figure out a way to divert smaller numbers of buffalo into a manageable space or kill zone from a massive moving river of 30 millions.
Video's like these is why I love TH-cam.
Thanks Laura. There's so much archeology to be done under the water I hope we have better methods of doing this in the future.
I'm looking forward to watching this. It's one of my favorite subjects.
Perhaps the wall assisted in the herding of caribou. Driven from higher land in winter they would move into the lowlands in spring; perhaps Llap herders can show us directly what would be involved since the Llaps themselves started their herding in actual Mesolithic times according to tradition, following the herds.
Soon as i heard this story i was sure you would be on to it with a video so thanks. Great content keep it coming 👏
Really intersting. Thank you Lady MegalithHunter. Ciao from Italy
Thanks for watching :)
Fascinating. I’m especially intrigued by this possibly being a hunter gatherer construction. I hope we get more on this site and other submerged sites; I can’t imagine how much is there to be discovered off the coasts!
Although I don't consider Graham Hancock generally a serious source of archaeological information and his themes lack historical substance, he did write a very interesting book called Underworld, which presents many examples worldwide of extensive underwater ruins inundated by the melting of the glaciers. So there is a lot under the waves.
I got a guy, ⚡️in my fam, who grew up in Michigan, and as I talk about stuff we know about , this comes up. He wants me to build in Canada, this year, and I sense the connection, to this video.✅
I do like your posts, as you speak, your script, with a grace and style that is both satisfyingly educational, and lovely fun to watch your face, I thank you.🙉
Very interesting. I would have liked to see more actual photos of the structure, though.
I hope that we can continue to make strides in underwater innovations ! This would be one area that continued research into " robots " would be extremely helpful to overcome the obstacles currently standing in the way of examining sites like these . Very informative video !
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I'm currently doing research on Menorcan megaliths, its ancient culture and its place in the Mediterranean evolution. Its clear that discoveries (Gobekli Tepe, Karanhan Tepe) have changed the wider view of the age of these structures, the civilizations that inhabited them and the timeframe we are now looking at for development of the human species.
If the evidence is correct it could point to the area around the Strait of Gibraltar being a sea barrier, this block isolating the Mediterranean causing its sea levels to become vastly different if not possibly dry at certain points. This has major implications to how the civilizations would place certain islands (Balearic) megaliths in a much more central role to the region.
I would love to hear your opinion on this!
Love the channel, keep pushing it!
so cool, Laura! there are , surely, more sites like this to be found....and, if things go the way it looks, several 1,000 yrs from now, they'll scuba dive the Big Apple or Miami or Seattle perhaps.....they'll be scratching their heads over those sites, i bet. probably get a kick outta the primitive constructs at those sites😅
was so happy the wifi came thru for me😊 always hate to miss your premieres, kiddo....always learn something interesting👍 gotta go scrape some ice/snow off the deck.....it's warmed up and the roof is shedding it's mantle.....see you next time, m'lady⚔
Haha yeah I can totally see that happening in 1,000 years. We should probably start building in stone so it lasts :)
@@MegalithHunter yeah! be a heck of a lot better looking structures, too.....i hate concrete and steel towers......stone is so much more interesting and attractive👍
Floyd. They are Fi ding stuff from WW2 and don’t know what it is exactly. You don’t have to wait 1000 years buddy!
I'm really curious how many of these types of structures are still down there. Very interesting! Thank you!
I didn’t follow much of this but I really liked listening to your voice. 😌
u do that too huh? lol
The fact that there are submerged cities around the world indicates to me that sea level rise has already happened mostly and we all know melting ice does NOT raise water level are the reasons why I ignore the sea level rise doom sayers. That and the fact that sea level rise over the last 1000 years was around 4 inches as far as we can tell. Please keep in mind that data we have only covers the time we have actually been measuring these things earlier data is speculation based on geological analysis.
Fascinating to think about these people putting up walls knowing a large herd of Reindeer are going to pass through, and how they can utilize them to make the culling easier. I whine when I go to the grocery store and my cart has a squeaky wheel...
Haha same
The Mediterranean Salt Giant Sludge is said to be 3 Kilometers thick here. The Gulf of Mexico has similar deposits, both these were from the Time that the Ocean was 20 meters lower. According to a P.B.S. video; this was 5.5 million years ago & ended 600,000 years ago. Quite differnt from the illogical guesswork of Techtonic Plate shifting & Earthquake subduction zones. Great find Laura!😊
Fascinating insight into what we used to do. They must have been pleased with their work to improve the hunting they likely regarded enthusiastically throughout their community.
Interesting! I knew that bay is shallow, but I didn't know it's that shallow.
the work that goes into these studies is amazing! thanks!
Very comprehensive, thanks for your study. This is an exciting discovery.
Thanks for watching! 😊
Whats crazy is we can build under water oil pipelines (and destroy them) but we dont have a better understanding in the public sphere. All the data collected that is kept classified to keep enemies from knowing collection abilities would be extremely useful for the sciences.
Thank you for this great report. Hopefully, the conditions, logistics, and funding, since ROVs are expensive to operate, don't hinder learning more.
Thanks for sharing this discovery with us. I think that we will be finding a lot more things in coastal regions in the coming years. Something that seems kind of silly is to assume that the people who built this were hunter-gatherers. I mean, we have almost no excavation or artifacts but academics always make these silly assumptions. All they know is that it is a wall made of large stones and suddenly they are telling us what these people had for breakfast. How in the world can they make assumptions about their level of technological development and the nature of their society? Is this part of a culture that they have studied elsewhere? Why would very primitive people build such an elaborate structure? I'm not holding my breath that they will unearth an ancient I-phone but people of that era had more or less the same hardware between their ears that we do, maybe better, and the physical elements in the world haven't changed. How can we be so sure that there wasn't an ancient bronze or iron age? It just screams bias to me.
They were telling us the same thing about Gobekli Tepe with the narrative that there were absolutely no homes etc found at the site but then you find out that there are literally thousands of unexcavated buildings nearby. Why? I think that we would like to believe that humanity has always developed and never lost technological prowess. I just don't buy that.
Just imagine if there were a cataclysmic event today that destroyed our infrastructure and killed 80% of the people. How would the survivors fare? It wouldn't be a set back to the 19th century. We don't have 19th century skills latent in our DNA somewhere. Most people can't even make a fire without a barbecue lighter. In many ways it would be starting from scratch. Obviously, the more developed and specialized a society is the more susceptible they are to a collapse like this because individuals have a lower concentration of their society's knowledge. Even if someone had seen a gun or was even proficient at the use of firearms that doesn't mean that they know how to make gun powder. I mean, how many average people could collect the materials to make gun powder from their natural environment and then have a usable end product? I can't. How long would it take to figure that out? I mean, where the hell wold I find pure sulfur?
Now, I'm not saying that THIS wall was constructed by humans with super highly advanced technology. I'm just saying that there is a scientific bias to assume ancient people were hunting reindeer with sharp sticks, wearing loin cloths and grunting. I'm saying that we don't know what we don't know until we do research with an open mind. What is certain is that these people had skills we don't have today. How would I move huge stone blocks without machines? Natural fiber ropes and some logs? 8 reindeer? I don't know how they did it. They knew something that we have lost.
Excellent report 👌👏👍
Many thanks!
I am surprised we are only finding this now ....keep searching keep studying ...Great videos
Fascinating. First time to your channel. Liked and subbed.
Welcome aboard!
Sub marine archaeology really is the way to go.
Super cool 🎉😊
Howdy from Temple, Texas, USA!
Fascinating stuff! 👍
Glad you enjoyed it
I thoroughly enjoy your content . 👍
Thank you!
If "established" archeologists aren't involved, little recognition is given discoveries I've noted.
This immediately looks like a game diversion wall. Kites in Arabia, walls in the Great Lakes, walls in Alberta to divert bison over cliffs, walls even in California. The larger stones at specific junctures maybe were markers to indicate distance as the animals were herded. The Baltic was a freshwater lake in between inundations by the ocean. So perhaps the wall was set up at a watering location for the herds as it is so near the coast. What's at the end of these walls? Any animal remains? Wherever the ice wasn't, ancient man seems to have hunted ungulates.
I would guess that the large stones were already there to be utilised, maybe they even triggered the idea of making a wall.
For what purpose?@@gibbogle
@@scottzema3103 Hunting, as suggested.
Artifacts and Geological definings are so clear in their statements, and these repeatedly indicate that the "Mainstream Academic's": "19th Century Theory based Paradigm and Linear Timeline", which is used as their foundation of fact, and a tool of Measure by which other data is often rejected, is inaccurate.
"Authentic Academic" practice, ie: adhering to the "Standards of Science and Research" =
("Mind fully Open, free of any predetermined Beliefs, Theories, Opinions, and allowing the Research Methodologies to extract the greater facts".) + Applied to every scope of new content review.
Beth Bartlett
Sociologist/Behavioralist
and Historian
If the glaciers suppressed the crust in the region and it is rebounding, structures that were at sea level just after the ice age will now be elevated above sea level rather than below sea level. However, down warping due to isostatic rebound can occur outside the unweighted area as was the case with the English channel. I would like to see the location of nearby ancient beaches before I decide as that would prove conclusive
Very interesting video😊
Thank you 😊
Looks like a destroyed Hunnebed, a megalithic grave like you find in the Netherlands, Germany, and Denmark. There are many of those.
A kilometer long?
Wow man! This is like watching “The Big Bang Theory “.
The cool scientific terms come fast and furious!
I was especially exhilarated by the talk of sea level changes.
And to mention, I love your deep blue eyes.
Thank you. Very interesting. I come from Michigan, but have never heard of a type of blinkerwall in Lake Huron off the northwest coast of the lower peninsula.
Glad you enjoyed it
Dont understand the photos. Why are Jutland gone in the left one ? 1:33
Indeed, it actually is in the Baltic Sea, versus the East Sea, which is not the bit between Zjæland and Germany.
Ah, now I understand why they only showed the one bad photo, thank you
Thank you, keep working.
Nice reporting! Subbed. Please consider adding text on the screen when you mention numbers, dates, and important examples of the topic, as well as titles for subject, topic, example and lists, peoples' names, etc. I ask this because I'm a highly visual learner and visual with audio learners are a significant proportion of the population. I know this is extra work for you, but I think it would help you gain subscribers. Thank you for your consideration.
Thank you. I always add subtitles so if you switch them on you will see text on the screen. It's good idea for me to add major dates etc... into the content as well.
Certainly, there is submerged sites in dogerland and an off the coast of Florida, and at the bottom of the Great Lakes
Thanks!
Thank you!
you said algorithm diety at the end. im now in love with your channel! we share many similar views in our works. but your videos are organized, mine are all live panels and interviews. if you're interested, I'd love to host you on a podcast sometime
There's a submerged city, chalk full of pyramids, just west off the coast of Cuba. It's submerged in over 2,000 feet of water!
I am leaning towards this “wall” being an artificial structure. However, there are still many questions. As you ask, are there any tools associated with it? Hopefully, there will be further investigations and there can be a definitive answer. Thanks Laura!
Sounds like rock deposits at the edge of a vast paused ice field.
no photos/video of the structure in this video
The hypothesis that the wall is men made to hunt ungulates is very plausible.
Unfortunately detailed excavations needed to definitely (dis)prove it are extremely difficult and expensive.
You mentioned that this type of structure is anachronistic to the supposed age of the structure: what is the time gap involved?
very very cool
Some of the stone described are huge
Just got two books: Claimed by the Sea - Salcombe, Langdon Bay and other Marine Finds of the Bronze Age and An Introduction to Running Maritime Archaeological Projects.
They sound great.
Hope so. I don't dive but I hope to learn what is required. I feel the growth of the Mediterranean project coming on! Need people with a submersible. Maybe use Malta as a base?
Do you know Rabat?
@@stephennicolay1940 yes
The project is now growing and there's another experienced archaeologist involved. I will post a gmail soon.
I'd love to know all thats buried in the flooded north sea area from 20k - 13 k years ago given the size of the rivers that flowed there the abundance of salmon that would have congregated in its easutaries that settlements must have been around that area and possibly megalithic stone structures now buried on what was doggerland and the rivers that ran from the silver pit lake.
Thanks
Welcome 😃
Sweet Heart, MegalithHunter, The Planet Earth is Less than Ten Thousand Years old and about 5,000 years ago roughly 3 Billion People were Drowned in a complete World Wide Flood...
hidey ho, Laura! i'll be here for sure...well, i'll try🙃 internet is acting weird so, who knows? hopefully🤞
Repeated solar flares today. Many networks having problems.
@@efdangotu ah, so.....nothing to be done, then......so far, so good
At what depth does the salinity start?
Herding reindeer also requires a permanent settlement. So look for it.
Late to the party (again).
I am fascinated to know what lies on the seafloor around the world.
How deep can satellite penetrate below the sea surface?
C'est probablement une découverte faite en recherchant les pipelines NORD STREAM ! 😊😊
Why would they need a wall for hunting if they have the lake shore
Were magnetic readings done?
1 meter tall you say.. 🤔 This sounds like a sea wall or wave breaker.. 🤔 given the time period, maybe they were dealing with a raise in water levels as the ice changed.. 🤔
Odd side note to that. There was a recent study about the east coast of the US that discussed the land dropping post glacial rebound. Something to think about regarding a need for a sea wall. 🤔
Glaciohydrostatic rebound….i get that after a big meal.
😂
In Sundsvall there is similar stone strukture but i think its a pier about 7000 year old its 100 meter above this day Sea level but 7000 year ago The Sea level was 100 meter higher
Interesting. You need to fix the acoustics though...
Not a line left by rappid glacial melting ?
This Q. is answered in the video. Suggest watching it again.
Algo boost! Lana Del Rey
There are so many possibilities for natural formation that to choose a man made theory is pretty weak anyway. That tsunamis are rare in the region now doesn't suggest they were rare thousands or hundreds of thousands of years ago and large ice structures falling into the ocean could have formed numerous tsunamis over time. There is evidence of past tsunamis everywhere from Ireland to Iceland. We cannot assume present day conditions existed millenia ago. As natural stone structures that look man made are quite common, it's a stretch to say this is man made. The size of the structure alone points to geological origin. When there are numerous natural possibilities and one man made one, without any other evidence of human activity, one must assume that one of the many more obvious explanations is the correct one. Every so called megastructure has turned out to be geological in formation and in the absence of other evidence pointing to human cause it's better to assume it is formed by one or a combination of natural forces
I enjoyed your video however I don't agree with the conclusions of the researchers. To me it's clearly moraine structures left on top of glacial till. My first thought was terminal moraine but it could be any sort of moraine structure. The evidence for this being man-made is very weak and honestly I don't buy it nor do I buy the reasons excluding moraines. But it's an interesting discussion.
Maybe I missed it were they able to trace the origin of the megalithic stones?
Yeah I think without lithic artefacts it’s a bit of a stretch. One kilometre is a mighty long man-made structure.
So as it goes not for the first time, our human drive in the form we are today is about less than 30 000 years old, and before the last ICE age some other form of civilization was running around, and we humans were like best buds with the monkeys at this time, I wonder if the "others" did know or maybe did know that they would not be able to survive the 100 000 years lasting ICE age, the last ICE age the Earth did experience, but we all know that this ICE age was not the first one or the last one, so the question is ...will we as human raise survive the next ICE age? or will we perish like these other creatures before us.....? TH
We were not "best buds" with the other apes, we hunted and ate them.
Are there any other artifacts nearby confirming human activity?
Not that I've read no.
WHY would a group of NON-technological NON-industrial people make an animal "herding wall" out of stone, when it can be MUCH easier and much faster made out of wood?? That belies common sense.
Yep. All th best stuff will be between 50 and 350 feet in depth. I’ll read the paper.
But from your presentation this passes the duck test. Quacks like a duck, walks like a duck, looks like a duck. Except it’s a wall. Sounds like the authors flogged the horse to death Proving it looks like a wall.
I for one will buy a “wall”. Why not. Everybody needs a good wall. Even Hunter -gatherers.
Fox out
♪♫♥Very Interesting !
Thanks MegalithHunter ♥
Pyramids in Antarctica?
It is just a very long fish trap.
a verse in Gen 10:25 that affirms a POST ice age effect of melting land and sea ice.
The ocean levels rose to a point, in Peleg's lifetime(Born: 2226 BC Died: 1987 BC), that the LAND masses were DIVIDED. You could no longer walk on dry land to other Continents.
There are ancient shorelines with hewn timbers at the bottom of the Black Sea. The Mediteranean s levels rose to a point of overflowing into it.
There are ancient shorelines in the North Sea that have human worked artifacts on them.
In Hebrew, the word "earth" in verse 25 is "erets" and is in the old testament over 2100 times. It means EARTH, terra firma.....Every time.
It is the same word in Gen 1:1. " In the Beginning, God created the Heavens and the EARTH " SAME WORD- "erets"
Gen 10:25 "And unto Eber, were born two sons. One was Peleg, for in his day, the EARTH was divided"
Hunter gatherers built the wall is an oxymoronic statement, in my opinion
Nordic doggerland! Could this be a fish weir?
None of the natural reasons would place the 10 change points.
VERY UNLIKELY. likely to be glacier related material.
At 8:38: hunter-gatherer society? NO, No hunter-gatherer society would care about some changes of the shore line and would not have any idea of how to deal with repeating flood except for migrating to higher grounds. After all hunter-gatherer societies do not live in permanent settelments but in ratehr small settelments that can be easily be dismantled and rebuilt.
So it wasn't hunter-gatherers.
It must have been a sociey that was seriously interested in building maintaining a dam to protect a permanent settlement. So look for a settlement of that time near by and you will find a better understanding.
This strange idea of hunter-gatherers building rather big things is annoying. To me It seems brainwashed.
It is the same thing with Göbekli Tepe. After uncovoering the site every archeologist claimed that it must have been hunter-gatherers. Later they found a large settlement/city near by.
So when will archeologist start to rethink the timeline of civilization? Probably not in the next 1000 years because archeology is like anthroplogy most ly about getting funds for more research. So challenging established narratives that come from established and well paid "scientists" is very bad. Archeology and anthropology are like religion, nobody is allowed to doubt the high priests, right.
I'm not convinced...
No surprise. After the global flood, about 4500 years ago, sea levels were much lower during the ice age, so human habitation was established for a while, until the sea levels rose again. Most of this report has completely wrong dates and wrong assumptions.
Your about 7,000 yrs off for the flood bub. Date of around 12,600 yrs ago is now widely accepted as the flood Date! OR are ya one of the religious nuts that's say we just popped up out of the ground 6,000 yrs ago!
Pyramids of Europe?
Third Stone from the Sun, clearly a medical marijuana dispensary 😮
I bet it was to catch fish. After seeing fish flapping around on the ground at low tide, they built the wall to herd more fish to this area, keeping more water and fish at low tide! So basically, without boats or nets you could catch tons of fish at low tide, never really getting wet or risking your life to the sea, the gods, sea monsters, and weather!
Dating back to the ice age ??
Because the narrative claims that there were only hunter gatherers, clearly any such megalithic mega structure can only be a hunting structure. Don’t you love science, always logical. 😂
You just need a pair of eyes to see its man made
Did the Sea rise way back then because of people driving SUVs and cow farts?
NO!
what's 971 meters in freedom units
Graham Hancock is proven correct again