All sides are duped by corporate interests really. Corporations want mass migration because it means lower wages and more consumers. Even things like regulation are often supported by big business in order to kill the competition.
4:42 He works in construction? You mean his dad owns a building firm. 5:35 Why can nobody see that the privartely educated city trader IS the establishment?
@sam-m7d9e Reform isn't going to fix the housing crisis. They might have found success in acknowledging it as a problem in a way the major parties refuse to, but the solution they offer is a plaster on a gaping wound. Even if they managed to completely stop all immigration (which is impossible but they'd probably manage to lower it), the root of the housing crisis is a shortage of construction. You don't fix that by reducing the number of working age people coming to the country, you fix that by tearing up the Town and Country Planning Act, the zoning law that has near singlehandedly caused the housing crisis in the UK and investing in more housing construction. Stopping immigration won't end the housing crisis, it will only slow it down. As long as Town and Country allows NIMBYs to prevent future construction and balloon the cost of construction through bureaucratic red tape, prices will remain out of reach. Reform doesn't offer real solutions. They acknowledge the real problems (which is better than labour or the tories) and then scapegoat immigrants for them instead of addressing the actual core of the problem.
@sam-m7d9e You wouldn't have to pay so much tax, or complain about everything, under reform's power because your wages would plummet and your hours would increase.
@tgoas3503 You're admitting that immigration is a problem, then saying it's a scapegoat. It's not a scapegoat if it's part of the problem. Also nothing in politics is impossible, but other than that you're right.
Our local council gave permission for 96 homes to be built on town centre land with a mixture of 2,3 and 4 bed homes.....4 months before the completion of the homes the entire project apart from two 2 bed homes were sold to a national rental company and all those homes are now rented at rents from 1 to 2k per month. From what I understand the selling of the two 2 bed homes to 2 families on the social housing waiting list meets all the criteria required.
Which party would be anti establishment? We don't have many choices when we vote so you need to pick whichever one has the most important policies for yourself. Sadly reform are the only party talking about immigration with the right intentions. I also voted JC in 2019 but have now moved to reform. Labour have 4 years to gain my vote again. Immigration is the biggest issue for voters now.
George Osbourne is right about it being austerity 2.0 but he never received the ridiculous scrutiny from the right wing media this govt is currently getting 6 months into it..
Right wing media will always try their best to push left parties to the right as much as possible. It's nonsensical to try and appease them, as opposed to fighting them
@cameronfateweaver2206 problem is a strong word, but surely adding more demand to the market has a knock on effect on lots of things price being the most obvious and are we supposed to keep building houses ad infinitum? Also should we not examine this at all?
@@robertsnowdon1257 All these immigrants coming to work and "stealing our jobs" on minimum wage will be buying off your £200k+ houses with no credit history or access to mortgages in the UK? Really? They are the reason house prices keep increasing? Really? They are the main contributing factor? Really? Not the lack of social housing building programmes over the last quarter of century?
@@robertsnowdon1257 Old people continuing to live also has a knock on affect of housing demand and pricing. Do you think we should examine what to do about old people continuing to live? Or do you think it may be a very silly thing to do?
@Khalkara yes that would be silly because unlike examining the effect of immigration on housing because one is a consequence of government policy and therefore affords us a degree of control, and the other is a natural part of life.
Ava absolutely getting why Labor is failing to engage with what was a large portion of their traditional voter base. To the extent those more center are watching this and seeing their concerns discussed. Then you read the comments like "Ava, the Reform spokesperson". If anyone here genuinely thinks the solution is labelling anyone who shares views they don't like, even if they are just pointing out why they gain traction, with silly labels like "reform spokesperson" "racist" "far right". This is exactly why things are falling apart. You either say everything the left is doing is perfect and beyond discussion, or your a racist far right spokesperson. Talk about issues. If they make you uncomfortable, then good! Clearly it is a topic that needs discussing. If you honestly think everything is going fine and all the disenfranchised people who are turning to populist movements is a great success of the main 2 parties, then you are part of the big problem that is coming.
Oh really, is that why the establishment debanked him and did everything possible to stop him becoming an MP, is that why he's against net zero that the establishment love, is that why he supports Trump that the establishment hate? yeah you got a stronge case there havent you...
Said the same pre Brexit Beware of the silent majority. The left are too arrogant and complacent! Imagine allowing in men who despise everything about you 😂
There will be quite a few Conservative voters who were half-thinking about voting for Reform in 2024, but decided against it in the end as they didn't want a Labour government. However, as Labour got a massive majority anyway, that won't be a reason for them not to vote Reform next time.
How many moderate Tories will go to the Lib Dems ? I can see the Libs winning over 100 seats . I think the most likely outcome is a Rainbow alliance to keep out the Right . Also don't underestimate the encumbancy factor at the next GE ,many MP's who are personally liked by their constituents will likely retain their seats.
"I don't want to sound condescending, but"... I like PoliticsJoe and always watch the podcast and interviews, but I'm always aware of the underlying snobbish beliefs
I’m so sorry! I meant to say good communicators, but totally fumbled my words and I always fear saying someone ‘speaks well’ sounds condescending, even when it’s not intended that way. I meant they sounded like politicians!
It is disappointing when your first Business Studies lesson draws you into the immigration fear circles. There are so many factors outside of supply that are causing house price issues. Most of it coming down a lot more to the money rather than supply. Not every problem in the country can be solved with a single racist hammer.
Our country is in grave danger wake up. These Islamist has never changed since the horrific days of Muhammad. Slaughtering millions of Christians. These people are aiming to try and take over our country that threat is real. Vote Reform if you want our country saved.
The real problem with the housing crisis is that equity firms and huge funds including other countries are allowed to buy and hold billions of pounds worth of property as investment. Get rid of that and see how much housing gets freed up from rental property to ones that can be owned by normal families
I agree we need to see both sides, but it would be nice to see some talk about the left, when was the last time u talked about corbin, or the greens? Have some of them on, really show both sides, not just the reform clicks, and please talk about the good labor have or are doing, like the grooming stuff, no one said a thing about it is in thier manifesto (under taking back our streets).
The problem is that the right wing politics is spectacle, whereas there is nothing newsworthy about the Greens slogging away day in day out doing unglamorous constituency work. That kind of thing is not considered important in a sensationalist culture like the UK has become.
Well ya see, unless you have a plan to eugenics the narcissism worldwide, it isn't really possible to be the lesser of two evils, you just end up making yourself weaker. Your island was worth a shit on the world stage because you were some of the biggest bigots, your island only has power now because it is the center of worldwide money laundering, human power comes from being worse. That is why it is so important to not make more humans.
@lewis123417 no I think there can be an inquiry, after the advice from the last one is put inplace, that would give more power to charge people and protect the victims in what is found, I mean the fact that if u read the labor manifesto, they talk about taking this on, none of the other party's (even the uk reform limited company and their pop-up book) didn't say anything about it.
@halfway2hell33383 let's not forget it was labour councils that failed these girls so labour only stand to benefit from rejecting a national inquiry, this is more of the same, more cover ups by labour. We can still implement the recommendations from the narrow, small in scope enquiry that was done and still hold another inquiry. The only reason for labours rejection of a proper inquiry is purely political to cover their own backs
They right on huge levels of migration causing a strain on housing. We can't build enough to keep up with demand. It doesn't make you right wing to say that. I hope Labour bring migration levels down significantly.
What´s causing a huge strain is that we don´t have enough social housing and anyone who denies that is part of the problem. Seriously, you could cut all migration tomorrow and you´d still have the same issue.
Developers don't build affordable housing because there's less profit in it, and most of what they build is snapped up by oligarchs & hedge funds - often before it's even built.
Migrants often end up in illegally packed HMOs. It's not one person one house. We can build enough, we're just not. (Remember when the targets were scrapped? No more motivation) There's more than one way to solve the problem, eg let's look at vacant second+ homes. An anti immigration position IS right wing. It's like a shoplifter stealing to feed their family saying "I'm not a thief." Facts don't care about motive.
It is right wing to say that. Only the right are making that argument. Only the greens and labour think we can import unlimited amount of numbers without any pressure on housing
trump was speaking to the under 35s, and when he spoke he said "THEY ARE EATING THE CATS AND THE DOGS OF THE PEOPLE" and said under 35s thought "thats the guy for me". 👏
The first guy in the video seems to think that everyone who comes here on net is going to live in a house on their own. Many people live in families. Also, people who live here do occasionally die and free up houses etc.
The other bit he misses is home ownership is lower now than when council house numbers were at an all time high. Number of private landlords has a bigger impact on lack of homeownership than immigration.
Even if they're 2 or 3 to a house that's still a huge level of demand. I'm sorry but he's right. I voted Labour and am generally happy with Starmer. But they're exactly right to say that huge levels of net migration are pushing up house prices. We manage to build 200-250k houses a year. Even if we magically hit 300k that's not enough just to keep up with migration.
You've currently got a declining birth rate and an increasing mortality rate in the UK, net migration helped bring the population up just 1% this past year (which accounts for 0.9% of that increase), and according to Migration Observatory 90% of these are women and children. So yeah, his math is a bit off.
@@HeirToTheScarletSky House prices have been explosively growing for thirty years, and for the vast majority of that time period net migration was under six figures. Successive governments since the 1980s have made the determination that rising house prices are an unalloyed good and so have actively tried to stoke the market through buy-to-let-friendly policies and restricting supply. Migration is not a particularly significant contributor to house prices.
@russodoni5331 go look at a graph of house price increases. Up until 1997 there's a fairly steady increase. www.economicshelp.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/uk-average-house-prices-1967-2021-1000x732.png Then it starts shooting up massively. Then check net migration figures. Under 100,000 until 1997, then massive uptick. www.economicshelp.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/net-migration-uk-91-2022.png.webp
@alfsmith4936 Are you joking, the establishment tried everything to stop them! Even tried to debank Farage but they underestimated him, as all woke establishment types do, they believe their own propaganda that he's thick and/or weak, like their own puppets Sunak and Starmer.
That's nothing to do with establishment, gold itself is anti-establishment because its not a controlled fiat currency that the establishment controls, a typical jealous lefty automatically assumes wealth equals establishment, no establishment is about people lying to the public while they hold power, tricking them to accept the net zero scam, the diversity is our strength myth, transfering tax payers money to weapons companies by virtue signalling about Ukraine, Farage is against all of those establishment scams, so he IS ant-establishment, maybe you aren't!
Reform are a credible threat, not because of their policies, their policies are stupid, but because of the way they promote their message, and the fact Labour are absolutely hopeless. Now, Labour have put forward some good reforms so far, but the majority of people won't feel any effect on the ground of most of them, most people just want a secure job, with more money in their pocket and the only way we achieve that is through economic reform, and as Richard Murphy pointed out yesterday on the podcast video clip, the Bank of England is completely undermining the government, and Labour are ignoring it. Just to clarify before I mention this, I fully believe the UK should be contributing to helping Ukraine/Gaza, however, I also completely understand why so many millions of average people are so upset that stealth taxes are rising such as the NIC rise, which the OBR themselves have admitted 19.5bn of the 23.8bn raised WILL BE PAID BY LOWER REAL TERMS WAGES. I've already overheard a friends conversation with one of the companies he works with admitting that they have reduced the number of vacancies they have, and the business are now cutting spending to offset these NIC changes, whether you like that or not, the businesses will do this, and the government is making YOU pay for it. Then there is the typical politicians sleight of hand where Reeves lauded herself over an income tax freeze, which is actually a real terms tax rise, if your tax bill this year is £100, and the rate is frozen, but next year you get a pay rise, you will be paying the same tax rate, but be paying a higher tax bill, the average person doesn't need more taxes, the UK tax burden is roughly 20% higher than other OECD countries, and we are seeing a decline in living standards. So whilst most people didn't think labour were great, most of the people that voted for them, did so hoping they might surprise us and make real meaningful changes to the economy to help our families, in reality the first 6 months have just been a continuation of Tory fiscal rules for the most part, and most people will be relatively worse off next year than they are now. THAT is why Farage is a credible threat, because he knows how to spin this in his favour.
To be honest the media has been saying for years that anyone other than Labour or the Tories are a threat. Look at the SNP, for years, they were labelled the greatest threat to the UK, but Scotland has been governed much more effectively by them compared to the two main parties.
There's plenty of problems with the SNP, and I don't know if that list includes issues that would grow disproportionately if they were in charge of the govt., but you're totally right - alternative parties have been painted unfairly by the media constantly no matter what they say or have said. And I'd suggest that that includes PolJOE really.
Immigration is so high largely because of Brexit. 1) Non-EU migrants can bring family members with them. 2) Brexit hammered the economy, in order to get some overall GDP growth we decided to import millions of people. Except this is growing the population faster than the economy so GDP per capita is lower now than at the end of 2019. 3) EU migrants were the most productive people in the country, UK adults next and non-EU migrants last. So we've swapped the most productive people for more of the least productive so we need of them.
@@chriswilson7357 Yeah, technically that's what impacts net migration whereas I was only talking about the inward part. And actually as the UK needs workers it's maybe a good thing that Brexit has made it harder for skilled young people to leave!
I think so. Most people have proved how stupid and ignorant they are over the last 5 years. How he even has a platform after his role in Brexit is beyond me!
Lol because people who don't share your political views are "stupid and ignorant" lol the lefts lack of understanding of working class people is hilarious
I don’t see why reform won’t either win in 2029 or come second. I can completely emphasise with what these people are saying without ever voting for them. As the guy said himself he just wants a house, a good job and the environment to setup a family. How can that be so far away from people in any country never mind this one. There is no viable left wing party so they will go to what is left that hasn’t been tried and failed for 40 years +
I think you guys should do a piece on the current political spectrum hearing you reaffirm this is a left channel. Many think of the two dimensional left-right but the reality of today it’s three dimensional. People are flocking to Reform and equivalents in other countries as they are rejecting liberalism which has put minority interests ahead of local populations. Hence people looking for alternatives when the masses don’t get what they want I.e. lefties looking to Reform, which I think some people struggle to get their head around.
I think you're just describing the fact that many right wing parties just cosplay as somewhat left wing (ie anti-establishment - literally what Hitler did by calling his party "socialist"), but in reality they are just as pro-establishment as the centrists but with some more racism. And given that most people don't follow politics closely / think in terms of left and right they buy into it.
@ If we take Reform, they suggest to be the centre for the popular vote. But I don’t think that matters for most as it’s noises they make that resonates for some - undoing the liberalism seen since Tony Blair’s government.
Wdym politics are 3 dimensional? Reform fits well in to the right end of a 2D political spectrum. There's also no "lefty" looking to Reform, that's huge cope. The vast majority of Reform voters come from other right wing parties (like UKIP and Tories).
The government has intentionally curbed housebuilding for years, to keep property prices high for land owners. They can't have it both ways and made their choice. Having enough houses will lower the value of middle class houses (which I find acceptable), but more importantly landlords hold a lot of sway over the politicians. Give it 20 years, with population decline things will rebalance, then immigration will be important again. The other part of the problem is the skills shortage and the fact we can only fill our jobs by brain draining other countries.
@tinap8227 we physically don't have the capacity to build the homes we need. Even labour can't promise more than 1.5 million which is still well under what we need?
@tinap8227 yes we cant allow big business to use "lack of workforce" as an excuse, they need to offer higher pay and more training, instead of being allowed to drain the world's supply of skilled labour
@tinap8227 how do you think carer wages have been able to remain so low despite massive demand? Instead of training and paying more, the NHS and private sector just hires from abroad instead of making the job more attractive to brits, these people while they do provide a service need housing and public services just like the rest of us and they suppress wage growth in certain sectors because unlimited supply of labour reduces the incentive to increase wages. Mass immigration allows us to remain a low wage economy, it only benefits big business
I feel like farage is standing in the way of reform becoming a credible party. He is a very very reluctant leader and although very confident when he's speaking stays in the shadows far too often and is really just a conservative at heart. Rupert Lowe comes out with some brilliant statements but just doesn't have the charisma, nor does anyone else in reform it seems.
I'm not going to accuse you of platforming them, but can we have some further insights into alternatives? They are there, just not as dominant in the news as Reform seem to be
@@lewis123417precisely because even left leaning channels like this one never talk about them. Regardless, they will almost certainly gain millions more votes at the next election given they're the only anti-establishment party offering actual change - and don't claim that hating on immigrants will magically solve everything as the billionaires would have you believe.
I used to vote for Jeremy corbyn now I’m a reform voter. Translation I’m a rube who wants to seem informed while being utterly clueless about real politics and what’s possible against what’s fantasy.
Thanks for this. So worrying as I have thought all it needed was finding a way of appealing to young people and getting some good looking tiktokers on board (like front national) which they seemed to have now managed. We do need real anti-establishment people on the left. What’s happened to the greens? As left wing media I think you need a stronger critical voice of reform. Highlighting the hypocrisy, the tricks, the flip-flopping, etc. some left leaning young people will probably vote reform…
Reform voters know why they’re going to the polls. They have reforms 3 word slogans in their head. It frames all the negative things they see. I cant remember labours campaign slogan. I have no idea how their current performance ties into it. They need to keep reminding everyone. Never mind this “quiet bat people” approach to politics. We need “this was/is wrong. We fixed/are fixing it”.
Labour voters voted for a party that covered up mass pedophile gangs for the sake of diversity, so no Labour voter has any moral high ground to disparage any Reform voter.
Understanding that increasing tbe population by neatly a million people a year, is a problem, is not xenophobic. Mass immigration is completely unsustainable. How are you people still clinging to this nonsense. The entire western world is backing anti immigration parties because the negative impacts of mass immigration can no longer be ignored.
It isn't austerity 2.0 unless the budget is cutting spending overall, and it's quite disingenuous to claim that. yes we would like to get back the things the Tories took away but the money just isn't there to "pump" it all straight back in. I hope by the end of the parliament we will see that things are getting better but it is going to take time. 14 years of breaking the country isn't going to be fixed in 6 months
you literally don't understand what austerity is... it is the underfunding of government departments, through cuts and below inflation budget increases, if the austerity budgets of the tory era remaining in place as they have was all it was you would be right it would still be austerity 1.0 not 2.0, however with the additional 2.5% cuts reeves is asking for in each department as well as the still-below-the-total-cumulative-inflation pay rises given to public sector in their deals means yes we definitely are doing austerity 2.0
@@Kohanman Day-to-day departmental spending will increase by 3.5% and 4.3% in real terms in 2024/25 and 2025/26 respectively. This is the largest average increase in planned day-to-day spending in 20 years, with planned increases in day-to-day spending between 2023/24 and 2025/26 now more generous than any of Blair and Brown’s spending reviews except 2002.The outgoing Conservative government left public services in an appalling state and returning them a decent standard will take at least this parliament. The budget should stabilise most services in the short-term and made the first tentative steps on the long road to recovery
I do worry about the sheer amount of coverage given to Reform. That legitimizes their chances more than anything. Ava is also very neutral in her approach to talking about them which I respect for the most part but it also again overlooks the inherently racist issues that lie within the heart of the party. Like, let's look at these well spoken kids who side with a party that hates brown people. I know Joe don't align themselves with Reform but they do seem keen to overlook the main issues with them. As others have said too, can we please focus on other parties? Hell, I'll take a compilation of Ed Davey promoting policy whilst trying out various water park rides at this point.
In the days of traditional media being so toxic no newspapers, radio shows or TV channels would platform you might have worked but now with the Internet they have a platform available to them to make their policies known. Ignoring them just makes the left as a whole unaware of them and stops the left from confronting them on issues that are important to their base. immigration is a problem for us to tackle be it by building out more infrastructure or limiting it. Those are the two opposite sides of the argument on that policy but if the labour party doesn't push any policies or comms to tackle it because they aren't engaging with a huge sector of voters then they are paving the way for a repeat of the American election where loads of people on the left assumed Kamala would win against a literal felon and ultimately lost. You can't peer pressure someone in a voting booth and not adequately engaging just makes you look out of touch. So fundamentally I think being informed of the reform parties policies so you can push back against them in your own life when you hear them helps rather than hinders. Just to reiterate the reform party already has a platform on hundreds of conservative platforms. If what they're saying is attractive the people will come and the algorithms will definitely feed it to people who are "reform curious" so to speak
Speaking the truth from the British public as she sees it doesn’t mean she is a spokesperson - she is a political commentator so allowed to have an opinion from her perspective and unfortunately if you are in touch you can see that reform is building a lot of momentum 😩
These two are clearly completely out of touch and not very intelligent - fingers not on the pulse. Girl on the left said entrepreneurialship, which isn't a word.
Do you not think a war from 20 years ago has an impact on today? And doesn't the fact that the current lab leadership is so close to Blair(ites) personally and ideologically imply that they would behave in a similar manner today?!
@@stephenwood2172 two things, Starmer when working as a human rights lawyer challenged the Labour government at the time. I don't think a war from 25 years ago impacts a builder who is 26 and didn't have a family member involved in the war. Couldn't watch the rest of the Student Politics Joe.
Entitlement. If you are poor, you don't deserve a house the size your parents may have. Get a better paid job. If you failed to go to uni, don't become political and blame immigration.
Hey dopes voted for Labour that covered up mass pedophile gangs for the sake of diversity, so there's no reason Reform cant win, they'll never do anything as bad as that.
No, they are the danger. Half their candidates were shown to be former BNP members or otherwise connected to the far-right. The only reason to vote for Reform is if you are a racist.
The irony of Farage claiming to be anti-corporate
When Farage was a metals trader he worked for himself. Maybe why Musk has turned on him?
All sides are duped by corporate interests really.
Corporations want mass migration because it means lower wages and more consumers. Even things like regulation are often supported by big business in order to kill the competition.
4:42 He works in construction? You mean his dad owns a building firm.
5:35 Why can nobody see that the privartely educated city trader IS the establishment?
@sam-m7d9e Reform isn't going to fix the housing crisis. They might have found success in acknowledging it as a problem in a way the major parties refuse to, but the solution they offer is a plaster on a gaping wound. Even if they managed to completely stop all immigration (which is impossible but they'd probably manage to lower it), the root of the housing crisis is a shortage of construction. You don't fix that by reducing the number of working age people coming to the country, you fix that by tearing up the Town and Country Planning Act, the zoning law that has near singlehandedly caused the housing crisis in the UK and investing in more housing construction. Stopping immigration won't end the housing crisis, it will only slow it down. As long as Town and Country allows NIMBYs to prevent future construction and balloon the cost of construction through bureaucratic red tape, prices will remain out of reach.
Reform doesn't offer real solutions. They acknowledge the real problems (which is better than labour or the tories) and then scapegoat immigrants for them instead of addressing the actual core of the problem.
@sam-m7d9e You wouldn't have to pay so much tax, or complain about everything, under reform's power because your wages would plummet and your hours would increase.
@sam-m7d9edid you listen to the guy speak?
@sam-m7d9e You must have had bricks hit you in the head on site if you think Reform is going to help young people and not just line their own pockets.
@tgoas3503 You're admitting that immigration is a problem, then saying it's a scapegoat. It's not a scapegoat if it's part of the problem. Also nothing in politics is impossible, but other than that you're right.
As long as residential housing is an investment, demand will NEVER go down. And big investors will ALWAYS stop increases in offer.
Our local council gave permission for 96 homes to be built on town centre land with a mixture of 2,3 and 4 bed homes.....4 months before the completion of the homes the entire project apart from two 2 bed homes were sold to a national rental company and all those homes are now rented at rents from 1 to 2k per month. From what I understand the selling of the two 2 bed homes to 2 families on the social housing waiting list meets all the criteria required.
This is it 👏🏼
Which party would be anti establishment? We don't have many choices when we vote so you need to pick whichever one has the most important policies for yourself. Sadly reform are the only party talking about immigration with the right intentions. I also voted JC in 2019 but have now moved to reform. Labour have 4 years to gain my vote again. Immigration is the biggest issue for voters now.
@@matty506 residential housing is an investment because rich people.
You expect that voting for another group of rich people will fix it?
@@parametr They invest in it because theres a massive demand for it. Less people means less demand. How are you not seeing that.
George Osbourne is right about it being austerity 2.0 but he never received the ridiculous scrutiny from the right wing media this govt is currently getting 6 months into it..
Scrutiny is good.
Right wing media will always try their best to push left parties to the right as much as possible. It's nonsensical to try and appease them, as opposed to fighting them
What's wrong with linking immigration to housing?
older people are the real problem with housing - not immigrants.
@cameronfateweaver2206 problem is a strong word, but surely adding more demand to the market has a knock on effect on lots of things price being the most obvious and are we supposed to keep building houses ad infinitum? Also should we not examine this at all?
@@robertsnowdon1257 All these immigrants coming to work and "stealing our jobs" on minimum wage will be buying off your £200k+ houses with no credit history or access to mortgages in the UK? Really? They are the reason house prices keep increasing? Really? They are the main contributing factor? Really? Not the lack of social housing building programmes over the last quarter of century?
@@robertsnowdon1257 Old people continuing to live also has a knock on affect of housing demand and pricing. Do you think we should examine what to do about old people continuing to live? Or do you think it may be a very silly thing to do?
@Khalkara yes that would be silly because unlike examining the effect of immigration on housing because one is a consequence of government policy and therefore affords us a degree of control, and the other is a natural part of life.
Ava absolutely getting why Labor is failing to engage with what was a large portion of their traditional voter base. To the extent those more center are watching this and seeing their concerns discussed. Then you read the comments like "Ava, the Reform spokesperson". If anyone here genuinely thinks the solution is labelling anyone who shares views they don't like, even if they are just pointing out why they gain traction, with silly labels like "reform spokesperson" "racist" "far right". This is exactly why things are falling apart. You either say everything the left is doing is perfect and beyond discussion, or your a racist far right spokesperson. Talk about issues. If they make you uncomfortable, then good! Clearly it is a topic that needs discussing. If you honestly think everything is going fine and all the disenfranchised people who are turning to populist movements is a great success of the main 2 parties, then you are part of the big problem that is coming.
If you keep saying things that align with Umberto Eco's ur fascism, don't play the 'shocked Pikachu' card, when people call you fascist.
Ava being Reform Spokesperson, iirc, is a long running joke because she reported on a Reform conference(s) a good while ago.
People on the reddit and a few in these comments have been taking the joke very seriously recently @@NoahDC2
Musk wants Farage to resign and Reform basically doesn't exist without Farage anyways so it's a win-win in my books.
Cry harder leftie
I think reform would be better without him. He's the picture boy for the far right in many people's eyes and looses more votes than he gains.
It's insane how Farage totes himself as anti coporate capitalism.
Housing - Reform won't fix it but people will vote for them because they say they will and blame immigration
Farage is the establishment.
Oh really, is that why the establishment debanked him and did everything possible to stop him becoming an MP, is that why he's against net zero that the establishment love, is that why he supports Trump that the establishment hate?
yeah you got a stronge case there havent you...
Utter nonsense.
@@jeromefranklin-ryan5985 Utter delusion(on your part)
Said the same pre Brexit
Beware of the silent majority. The left are too arrogant and complacent! Imagine allowing in men who despise everything about you
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the billionaire establishment. stop trying to snog him. youre not his type
There will be quite a few Conservative voters who were half-thinking about voting for Reform in 2024, but decided against it in the end as they didn't want a Labour government. However, as Labour got a massive majority anyway, that won't be a reason for them not to vote Reform next time.
I hear Andrew Tate is starting a party now lol
@alfsmith4936 Errrr... good for him?
How many moderate Tories will go to the Lib Dems ? I can see the Libs winning over 100 seats . I think the most likely outcome is a Rainbow alliance to keep out the Right . Also don't underestimate the encumbancy factor at the next GE ,many MP's who are personally liked by their constituents will likely retain their seats.
@@markaldridge389 It's almost as if they all think president Musk is as gullible as they are, isn't it?
"I don't want to sound condescending, but"... I like PoliticsJoe and always watch the podcast and interviews, but I'm always aware of the underlying snobbish beliefs
Im the same. I enjoy the topics and discussion but there is a consistent under current of virtue signalling.
I’m so sorry! I meant to say good communicators, but totally fumbled my words and I always fear saying someone ‘speaks well’ sounds condescending, even when it’s not intended that way. I meant they sounded like politicians!
It is disappointing when your first Business Studies lesson draws you into the immigration fear circles.
There are so many factors outside of supply that are causing house price issues. Most of it coming down a lot more to the money rather than supply. Not every problem in the country can be solved with a single racist hammer.
Our country is in grave danger wake up. These Islamist has never changed since the horrific days of Muhammad. Slaughtering millions of Christians. These people are aiming to try and take over our country that threat is real. Vote Reform if you want our country saved.
@@porphura4448 here here
The real problem with the housing crisis is that equity firms and huge funds including other countries are allowed to buy and hold billions of pounds worth of property as investment. Get rid of that and see how much housing gets freed up from rental property to ones that can be owned by normal families
I agree but millions of immigrants arent helping the problem
I agree we need to see both sides, but it would be nice to see some talk about the left, when was the last time u talked about corbin, or the greens? Have some of them on, really show both sides, not just the reform clicks, and please talk about the good labor have or are doing, like the grooming stuff, no one said a thing about it is in thier manifesto (under taking back our streets).
The problem is that the right wing politics is spectacle, whereas there is nothing newsworthy about the Greens slogging away day in day out doing unglamorous constituency work. That kind of thing is not considered important in a sensationalist culture like the UK has become.
Well ya see, unless you have a plan to eugenics the narcissism worldwide, it isn't really possible to be the lesser of two evils, you just end up making yourself weaker. Your island was worth a shit on the world stage because you were some of the biggest bigots, your island only has power now because it is the center of worldwide money laundering, human power comes from being worse. That is why it is so important to not make more humans.
Like the grooming stuff? You mean like refusing an inquiry so their own failings aren't exposed. Oh yes how lovely labour are
@lewis123417 no I think there can be an inquiry, after the advice from the last one is put inplace, that would give more power to charge people and protect the victims in what is found, I mean the fact that if u read the labor manifesto, they talk about taking this on, none of the other party's (even the uk reform limited company and their pop-up book) didn't say anything about it.
@halfway2hell33383 let's not forget it was labour councils that failed these girls so labour only stand to benefit from rejecting a national inquiry, this is more of the same, more cover ups by labour. We can still implement the recommendations from the narrow, small in scope enquiry that was done and still hold another inquiry. The only reason for labours rejection of a proper inquiry is purely political to cover their own backs
They right on huge levels of migration causing a strain on housing. We can't build enough to keep up with demand.
It doesn't make you right wing to say that. I hope Labour bring migration levels down significantly.
What´s causing a huge strain is that we don´t have enough social housing and anyone who denies that is part of the problem. Seriously, you could cut all migration tomorrow and you´d still have the same issue.
Developers don't build affordable housing because there's less profit in it, and most of what they build is snapped up by oligarchs & hedge funds - often before it's even built.
Migrants often end up in illegally packed HMOs. It's not one person one house.
We can build enough, we're just not. (Remember when the targets were scrapped? No more motivation)
There's more than one way to solve the problem, eg let's look at vacant second+ homes.
An anti immigration position IS right wing. It's like a shoplifter stealing to feed their family saying "I'm not a thief." Facts don't care about motive.
It is right wing to say that. Only the right are making that argument. Only the greens and labour think we can import unlimited amount of numbers without any pressure on housing
@@lewis123417 utter nonsense (the second part).
My comment agreeing with the first part got deleted.
trump was speaking to the under 35s, and when he spoke he said "THEY ARE EATING THE CATS AND THE DOGS OF THE PEOPLE" and said under 35s thought "thats the guy for me".
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The first guy in the video seems to think that everyone who comes here on net is going to live in a house on their own. Many people live in families. Also, people who live here do occasionally die and free up houses etc.
The other bit he misses is home ownership is lower now than when council house numbers were at an all time high. Number of private landlords has a bigger impact on lack of homeownership than immigration.
Even if they're 2 or 3 to a house that's still a huge level of demand.
I'm sorry but he's right. I voted Labour and am generally happy with Starmer.
But they're exactly right to say that huge levels of net migration are pushing up house prices. We manage to build 200-250k houses a year. Even if we magically hit 300k that's not enough just to keep up with migration.
You've currently got a declining birth rate and an increasing mortality rate in the UK, net migration helped bring the population up just 1% this past year (which accounts for 0.9% of that increase), and according to Migration Observatory 90% of these are women and children. So yeah, his math is a bit off.
@@HeirToTheScarletSky House prices have been explosively growing for thirty years, and for the vast majority of that time period net migration was under six figures. Successive governments since the 1980s have made the determination that rising house prices are an unalloyed good and so have actively tried to stoke the market through buy-to-let-friendly policies and restricting supply. Migration is not a particularly significant contributor to house prices.
@russodoni5331 go look at a graph of house price increases. Up until 1997 there's a fairly steady increase.
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Then it starts shooting up massively.
Then check net migration figures. Under 100,000 until 1997, then massive uptick.
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Having a PLC running a country is scary as hell. Only one set of winners from that scenario.
They are already the 3rd biggest party. They didn't exactly try very hard.
That's just plain wrong. The lib Dems are the 3rd biggest party.
Establishment backing does that.
@alfsmith4936 Are you joking, the establishment tried everything to stop them! Even tried to debank Farage but they underestimated him, as all woke establishment types do, they believe their own propaganda that he's thick and/or weak, like their own puppets Sunak and Starmer.
Anti establishment from the guy that gets paid £200k to sell gold bullion!
That's nothing to do with establishment, gold itself is anti-establishment because its not a controlled fiat currency that the establishment controls, a typical jealous lefty automatically assumes wealth equals establishment, no establishment is about people lying to the public while they hold power, tricking them to accept the net zero scam, the diversity is our strength myth, transfering tax payers money to weapons companies by virtue signalling about Ukraine, Farage is against all of those establishment scams, so he IS ant-establishment, maybe you aren't!
If Farage was promoting a gold bullion firm , I'd definitely not buy from them.
@@johnburrows3385 £200k for selling gold
£200k for presenting a GB News programme 4 nights a week.
He really is the definition of anti establishment.
Trying to imagine Primark in Liverpool realigning all their tills to face towards Mecca lol
The people interviewed in this video are really articulate and have a genuine axe to grind against the establishment political parties.
Just more racists in suits. They've no idea what it was like being non-white under a hard right wing party.
They're cosplaying Ruperts. I bet none of them went to state school.
Yet none of them are smart enough to realise Farage represents and has always represented the interests of the establishment and the rich
@@TheLucanicLordlovely bit of identity politics there mate
Reform are a credible threat, not because of their policies, their policies are stupid, but because of the way they promote their message, and the fact Labour are absolutely hopeless.
Now, Labour have put forward some good reforms so far, but the majority of people won't feel any effect on the ground of most of them, most people just want a secure job, with more money in their pocket and the only way we achieve that is through economic reform, and as Richard Murphy pointed out yesterday on the podcast video clip, the Bank of England is completely undermining the government, and Labour are ignoring it.
Just to clarify before I mention this, I fully believe the UK should be contributing to helping Ukraine/Gaza, however, I also completely understand why so many millions of average people are so upset that stealth taxes are rising such as the NIC rise, which the OBR themselves have admitted 19.5bn of the 23.8bn raised WILL BE PAID BY LOWER REAL TERMS WAGES. I've already overheard a friends conversation with one of the companies he works with admitting that they have reduced the number of vacancies they have, and the business are now cutting spending to offset these NIC changes, whether you like that or not, the businesses will do this, and the government is making YOU pay for it. Then there is the typical politicians sleight of hand where Reeves lauded herself over an income tax freeze, which is actually a real terms tax rise, if your tax bill this year is £100, and the rate is frozen, but next year you get a pay rise, you will be paying the same tax rate, but be paying a higher tax bill, the average person doesn't need more taxes, the UK tax burden is roughly 20% higher than other OECD countries, and we are seeing a decline in living standards.
So whilst most people didn't think labour were great, most of the people that voted for them, did so hoping they might surprise us and make real meaningful changes to the economy to help our families, in reality the first 6 months have just been a continuation of Tory fiscal rules for the most part, and most people will be relatively worse off next year than they are now.
THAT is why Farage is a credible threat, because he knows how to spin this in his favour.
To be honest the media has been saying for years that anyone other than Labour or the Tories are a threat. Look at the SNP, for years, they were labelled the greatest threat to the UK, but Scotland has been governed much more effectively by them compared to the two main parties.
There's plenty of problems with the SNP, and I don't know if that list includes issues that would grow disproportionately if they were in charge of the govt., but you're totally right - alternative parties have been painted unfairly by the media constantly no matter what they say or have said. And I'd suggest that that includes PolJOE really.
Why does nobody mention that net migration is in part so high because British people can't leave as easily to the continent thanks to Brexit?!
Immigration is so high largely because of Brexit.
1) Non-EU migrants can bring family members with them.
2) Brexit hammered the economy, in order to get some overall GDP growth we decided to import millions of people. Except this is growing the population faster than the economy so GDP per capita is lower now than at the end of 2019.
3) EU migrants were the most productive people in the country, UK adults next and non-EU migrants last. So we've swapped the most productive people for more of the least productive so we need of them.
@FlatToRentUK and also, UK nationals can't leave easily...so it's a one way gate
@@chriswilson7357 Yeah, technically that's what impacts net migration whereas I was only talking about the inward part. And actually as the UK needs workers it's maybe a good thing that Brexit has made it harder for skilled young people to leave!
I think so. Most people have proved how stupid and ignorant they are over the last 5 years.
How he even has a platform after his role in Brexit is beyond me!
Because the people who vote for him live in the "no fact zone", who needs facts if you have a strong opinion about something?
Ahh there it is… ☕️ 🐸 The tried and trusted excuse when neoliberalism fails and people vote elsewhere…
“Muh voters are stupid racizzs”
I blame the media. How often is toadface on the TV compared to the GlibDums, who have vastly more MPs?
Lol because people who don't share your political views are "stupid and ignorant" lol the lefts lack of understanding of working class people is hilarious
I don’t see why reform won’t either win in 2029 or come second. I can completely emphasise with what these people are saying without ever voting for them. As the guy said himself he just wants a house, a good job and the environment to setup a family. How can that be so far away from people in any country never mind this one. There is no viable left wing party so they will go to what is left that hasn’t been tried and failed for 40 years +
Under PR they might come second. Under FPTP they will probably be fourth.
I think you guys should do a piece on the current political spectrum hearing you reaffirm this is a left channel. Many think of the two dimensional left-right but the reality of today it’s three dimensional. People are flocking to Reform and equivalents in other countries as they are rejecting liberalism which has put minority interests ahead of local populations. Hence people looking for alternatives when the masses don’t get what they want I.e. lefties looking to Reform, which I think some people struggle to get their head around.
I think you're just describing the fact that many right wing parties just cosplay as somewhat left wing (ie anti-establishment - literally what Hitler did by calling his party "socialist"), but in reality they are just as pro-establishment as the centrists but with some more racism.
And given that most people don't follow politics closely / think in terms of left and right they buy into it.
@ If we take Reform, they suggest to be the centre for the popular vote. But I don’t think that matters for most as it’s noises they make that resonates for some - undoing the liberalism seen since Tony Blair’s government.
Wdym politics are 3 dimensional? Reform fits well in to the right end of a 2D political spectrum.
There's also no "lefty" looking to Reform, that's huge cope. The vast majority of Reform voters come from other right wing parties (like UKIP and Tories).
Sorry but its basic mathematics. We cant build enough houses to accomodate the numbers of immigrants we allow in
The government has intentionally curbed housebuilding for years, to keep property prices high for land owners. They can't have it both ways and made their choice. Having enough houses will lower the value of middle class houses (which I find acceptable), but more importantly landlords hold a lot of sway over the politicians.
Give it 20 years, with population decline things will rebalance, then immigration will be important again. The other part of the problem is the skills shortage and the fact we can only fill our jobs by brain draining other countries.
@tinap8227 we physically don't have the capacity to build the homes we need. Even labour can't promise more than 1.5 million which is still well under what we need?
@tinap8227 again it's just basically mathematics, we cant afford for our population to be growing so rapidly. We don't have the capacity or the money
@tinap8227 yes we cant allow big business to use "lack of workforce" as an excuse, they need to offer higher pay and more training, instead of being allowed to drain the world's supply of skilled labour
@tinap8227 how do you think carer wages have been able to remain so low despite massive demand? Instead of training and paying more, the NHS and private sector just hires from abroad instead of making the job more attractive to brits, these people while they do provide a service need housing and public services just like the rest of us and they suppress wage growth in certain sectors because unlimited supply of labour reduces the incentive to increase wages. Mass immigration allows us to remain a low wage economy, it only benefits big business
You invited Nigel then shut him down when you could have drawn him in. Rude isn't the word for it !
I feel like farage is standing in the way of reform becoming a credible party. He is a very very reluctant leader and although very confident when he's speaking stays in the shadows far too often and is really just a conservative at heart. Rupert Lowe comes out with some brilliant statements but just doesn't have the charisma, nor does anyone else in reform it seems.
I'm not going to accuse you of platforming them, but can we have some further insights into alternatives? They are there, just not as dominant in the news as Reform seem to be
Am I the only one who’s growing tired of PolJoe’s relentless coverage of Farage and Reform?
Such a Left leaning channel that the count of Reform segments to Green segments is like 100-1.
Probably because the greens are going nowhere
@@lewis123417precisely because even left leaning channels like this one never talk about them.
Regardless, they will almost certainly gain millions more votes at the next election given they're the only anti-establishment party offering actual change - and don't claim that hating on immigrants will magically solve everything as the billionaires would have you believe.
I used to vote for Jeremy corbyn now I’m a reform voter. Translation I’m a rube who wants to seem informed while being utterly clueless about real politics and what’s possible against what’s fantasy.
Thanks for this. So worrying as I have thought all it needed was finding a way of appealing to young people and getting some good looking tiktokers on board (like front national) which they seemed to have now managed. We do need real anti-establishment people on the left. What’s happened to the greens? As left wing media I think you need a stronger critical voice of reform. Highlighting the hypocrisy, the tricks, the flip-flopping, etc. some left leaning young people will probably vote reform…
Reform voters know why they’re going to the polls. They have reforms 3 word slogans in their head. It frames all the negative things they see. I cant remember labours campaign slogan. I have no idea how their current performance ties into it. They need to keep reminding everyone. Never mind this “quiet bat people” approach to politics. We need “this was/is wrong. We fixed/are fixing it”.
Labour voters voted for a party that covered up mass pedophile gangs for the sake of diversity, so no Labour voter has any moral high ground to disparage any Reform voter.
More Laura! Always give her a mic!
Farage will do a coalition with the Tories, in my view, or a supply arrangement. His no1 aim is self enrichment, his no 2 aim is xenophobia.
Understanding that increasing tbe population by neatly a million people a year, is a problem, is not xenophobic. Mass immigration is completely unsustainable. How are you people still clinging to this nonsense. The entire western world is backing anti immigration parties because the negative impacts of mass immigration can no longer be ignored.
Tories have more in common with Labour than they do Reform, they are more likely to team up and would be a better match with each other.
@sonofsomerset1695 we'll see...
you silly people, its coming get used to it hurty words and all
Chelmsford mentioned!!!
He's spot on about the housing.
We love Farage he supports the poor in all he does. Gives all his profits to charities like the channel.
It isn't austerity 2.0 unless the budget is cutting spending overall, and it's quite disingenuous to claim that. yes we would like to get back the things the Tories took away but the money just isn't there to "pump" it all straight back in. I hope by the end of the parliament we will see that things are getting better but it is going to take time. 14 years of breaking the country isn't going to be fixed in 6 months
you literally don't understand what austerity is... it is the underfunding of government departments, through cuts and below inflation budget increases, if the austerity budgets of the tory era remaining in place as they have was all it was you would be right it would still be austerity 1.0 not 2.0, however with the additional 2.5% cuts reeves is asking for in each department as well as the still-below-the-total-cumulative-inflation pay rises given to public sector in their deals means yes we definitely are doing austerity 2.0
@@Kohanman Day-to-day departmental spending will increase by 3.5% and 4.3% in real terms in 2024/25 and 2025/26 respectively. This is the largest average increase in planned day-to-day spending in 20 years, with planned increases in day-to-day spending between 2023/24 and 2025/26 now more generous than any of Blair and Brown’s spending reviews except 2002.The outgoing Conservative government left public services in an appalling state and returning them a decent standard will take at least this parliament. The budget should stabilise most services in the short-term and made the first tentative steps on the long road to recovery
I don’t think I would consciously use Mr Farage’s first name causally.
Nigel,Nigel Nigel and the fact you can support any of the other 3 with what is going on says your a CRETIN anyway!
Yeah. Only the greats are known by their surname 😂
When did you become so bigoted Patrick?
I do worry about the sheer amount of coverage given to Reform. That legitimizes their chances more than anything. Ava is also very neutral in her approach to talking about them which I respect for the most part but it also again overlooks the inherently racist issues that lie within the heart of the party. Like, let's look at these well spoken kids who side with a party that hates brown people. I know Joe don't align themselves with Reform but they do seem keen to overlook the main issues with them. As others have said too, can we please focus on other parties? Hell, I'll take a compilation of Ed Davey promoting policy whilst trying out various water park rides at this point.
In the days of traditional media being so toxic no newspapers, radio shows or TV channels would platform you might have worked but now with the Internet they have a platform available to them to make their policies known. Ignoring them just makes the left as a whole unaware of them and stops the left from confronting them on issues that are important to their base. immigration is a problem for us to tackle be it by building out more infrastructure or limiting it. Those are the two opposite sides of the argument on that policy but if the labour party doesn't push any policies or comms to tackle it because they aren't engaging with a huge sector of voters then they are paving the way for a repeat of the American election where loads of people on the left assumed Kamala would win against a literal felon and ultimately lost. You can't peer pressure someone in a voting booth and not adequately engaging just makes you look out of touch. So fundamentally I think being informed of the reform parties policies so you can push back against them in your own life when you hear them helps rather than hinders. Just to reiterate the reform party already has a platform on hundreds of conservative platforms. If what they're saying is attractive the people will come and the algorithms will definitely feed it to people who are "reform curious" so to speak
Ava, the Reform spokesperson.
Speaking the truth from the British public as she sees it doesn’t mean she is a spokesperson - she is a political commentator so allowed to have an opinion from her perspective and unfortunately if you are in touch you can see that reform is building a lot of momentum 😩
@@aci6828 I think you might be taking sarcasm seriously mate..
These two are clearly completely out of touch and not very intelligent - fingers not on the pulse. Girl on the left said entrepreneurialship, which isn't a word.
Bloody hell! more platforms than a Mario game
Great pod.
Threat? Threat to what?
So the builder is annoyed about the Iraq war that happened when he was 1 year old.
Do you not think a war from 20 years ago has an impact on today?
And doesn't the fact that the current lab leadership is so close to Blair(ites) personally and ideologically imply that they would behave in a similar manner today?!
@@stephenwood2172 two things, Starmer when working as a human rights lawyer challenged the Labour government at the time.
I don't think a war from 25 years ago impacts a builder who is 26 and didn't have a family member involved in the war.
Couldn't watch the rest of the Student Politics Joe.
Entitlement. If you are poor, you don't deserve a house the size your parents may have. Get a better paid job. If you failed to go to uni, don't become political and blame immigration.
Yea fuck em. People shouldn't get ideas above their station anyway, how dare they want to one day own a house. Plebs
Not a chance in hell.
How middle class and tame,
Tidak mengerti Kalian itu.. Bapak.. 🙏
Hanya simbol tuhan.. 🌅
Reform, Brexit party, UKIP, BNP same party "same elite"
Strange they are different parties then, if you think they are the elites then there's no hope for you.
they are the rabid dogs of the elite class not the elite themselves, apart from a few public schooled managers like mosley...sorry, farage
tosh
Yes they are
If Labour offer little hope, then out of deparation the public could well turn to farage and his bs.
Oh dahling
Day 89 of asking for a production team microphone.
This channel still going! Bored
I mean if you keep manufacturing consent with your constant Farage obsessed video titles, I'm sure they will be a credible threat.
Pmsl worried about the free press?
Was it embarrassing to watch your leader bend over backwards to appease foreign billionaire only to be denounced by him the next day?
Was it embarrassing watching your leader bend over backwards for a foreign billionaire only to be denounced by him the next day?
Hey dopes voted for Labour that covered up mass pedophile gangs for the sake of diversity, so there's no reason Reform cant win, they'll never do anything as bad as that.
Was it embarrassing when your leader bent over backwards to impress a foreign billionaire only to get denounced by him a day later?
They're our only hope left. Thats how sad it's become in this miserable place.
No, they are the danger. Half their candidates were shown to be former BNP members or otherwise connected to the far-right. The only reason to vote for Reform is if you are a racist.
Yes Reform are.
You have already lost.
No
I always find it funny hearing people say “I’m just against the establishment” and then votes for the establishment (reform)
anti establishment...so i wanna support a party/co full of millionaires!!!!
Fascists rise with radicalism, this pretty par for the course imo.
Tommy Robinosn natural Reform Leader !
No he's not 😂 farage has made it clear he's not welcome
@@lewis123417 Tommy supports Ukip anyway
When is Fartage going to carry out clown show in Scotland
He will never come back to Scotland. How anyone in Scotland actually voted for this racist party appals me
He tried to book Starmer for his clown show but he was busy messing up the country by being a clown in number 10.