There is no doer || Nonduality and Enlightenment Simplified
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- Eric Putkonen talks about there is no doer. This not only arises due to the illusion and hypnotization caused by the conventions of speech but also due to identification and wanting to claim ownership.
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Thank you so much 🙏🌻
What an eye opening way to approach the non-doership.
Strong pointing....
In the same way, if we say the river is flowing.... it's all concepts... what is a river? What is flowing?
There is just what is happening...
One "happening", continuously ...
Great pointing on identity, clearly articulated and easily digestable.
Nice
Beautiful pointers ,, thank you for explaining with such simplicity and clarity. I totally resonate with what’s said
Thank you so much , lots of love and immense gratitude 🙏🙏❤️
You blew my mind with “it is raining” it’s interesting and useful to see the glitches in our reality like that. Thanks!
Me too. That helps.
Outer reality is just projection of thought pattern. No thought -> no projection, it's blank/pure emptiness.
Haha yes, here too!
It's crazy how much language is to blame for thoughts of separation.
THANK YOU ! If I understood correct, life is an automatic impersonal prozess with no entity. Everything happens by its own. No doer. Also the identification with the body-mind is an impersonal prozess created by an unknown princip. Raining, eating, hearing, seeing, I-am-ing ?
that unknown principle is Consciousness
If you study Near Death Experience there is for shure a great you as doër.....
Otherwise life is total meaningless....
@@Y.Davidsn What is the meaning of life ?
Very nice topic thanks🎉🎉🎉
I love how you explained that anything we identify with is a concept and will fall short of reality. Nicely worded.
Fully agree
Muchísimas Gracias!!!!👍🙏
There's often the grasping to a pointer, an attempt to objectify the Self. I like the analogy of a person on a journey to a location, let's say the location is Maple Drive. On the way to Maple Drive, they get to a crossroad and they look at the street sign that reads "Maple Drive". They point to the street sign and say "That's Maple Drive", completely missing the point of a pointing. Funny.. a pointing of a pointing.
Thanks! Very rare to hear speech that is coming from that understanding. Especially in this clear and straight way.
we are human beings, not human doings. be.
Thank you. This video helped a realization occur. Before I was intellectualizing it; it's different to experience. Not saying anything caused it; but this video helped an assumption fall away.
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Consciousness is the it or the doer of a dream. As it is the arbiter of all existence.
Like the video stated, consciousness is the source of soul or energy of the soul. But dreaming itself, that is the subconscious or an altered state of consciousness, a place close to unconscious as possible.
Technically sleep starts in the brain areas that produce SWS. Scientists now have concrete evidence that two groups of cells. the ventrolateral preoptic nucleus in the hypothalamus and the parafacial zone in the brain stem are involved in prompting SWS. When these cells switch on, it triggers a loss of consciousness.
the brain's faculties operating when we are the notion of conscious (awake) or unconscious (alseep) are all within the confines of the mind, which is a plane onto itself, housed in the brain.
And dreaming is just an extention of thought, or thinking taking place in that altered state we call sleep, specifically during REM cycle
Freud said, "The interpretation of dreams is the royal road to a knowledge of the unconscious activities of the mind." He meant that because dreams are such an unconscious activity, they give an almost direct insight into the workings of the unconscious and subconscious mind. As it is a window for the conscious to peer into the subconscious.
Like we can banner the title of a movie as the encompassing of a motion picture but we can also articulate the individuals and cast that make up the proponents of the movie, the theme and the development of the story are all parcel in part the parts or componets that sum to produce set movie. The doer is the movie but also the extention of the movie is the cast facilitating the expression of the story. In that consciousness is the movie and we (life) are the cast facilitating the storyline. In that you can have two doers, macro and micro, the singular all - consciousness, and the proliferation of sub partitioned nodes which are doers of their own reality as well. a pixel of the whole picture. That pixel can stand alone and express but the clarity is had when it is unified by the picture as a whole.
Obviously it's all concepts that's what the process of thinking derives. Concepts to enable and encapsulate the inner and outer projections of the All or Source
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Very well explain❤
Excellent insight!
Thanks 🙏
That's really good explanation 👏 👌 👍.
first!
earliest I can get to your videos
Watching and thanking. For me the “thinking” ownership 🙃it hard to break 🤔
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This is why the whole "What are your pronouns?" thing drives me craycray. I'm not a noun. I don't need a pronoun, and I certainly don't need to be offended by whatever you call me.
Who is the one bing driven crazy?????
@@iseemtobelost8265 I don't know. 😄 This apparent character who prefers things to be kept simple, apparently.
Yeah, the problem is that, for example, I happen to rent an apartment from this non binary person who asked me if I wouldn’t mind to refer to her as them, and I think, “no problem, it’s one a billion or trillion that I will be making an exception because I care.It’s no problem and doesn’t drive me cray cray
It was just a fun point here
It’s not that there is not doer, there is no separate doer.
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So If we say we Counsiousness its not True?And This Cant be understood 😲😲🤷♀️🤷♀️🫣🫣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Consciousness is all there is...no "we" in it.
I am in the got it - lost it spiral apparently. How long did this last for you, if it happened like this?
I was never in that spiral...as I never believed I had it and then lost it. It can not be lost and so if it was lost you never had it in the first place.
@@NondualityChannel what I mean is that glimpses and openings seem to cause the narrative that "it" is lost again as they "close" again. and this is like a loop: opening - closing - got it - lost it (narrative). understand what I mean? Do you have some insight about this phenomena? feels like a trap and an addiction.
@@Asura-j7o It is a trap, because we think we are closer or making progress because of these glimpses. Glimpses have no such relationship to enlightenment. It would be best not to get attached or identified with the glimpses and just let them go. Focus instead on that which does not come and go.
@@NondualityChannel thank you. That is good to read. Brings some equanimity and detachment.
The law, socio political system needs the doer. Without that concept everything collapses. Even though doer is not real, it needs to be assumed. Killer needs to be punished by the law. Worker needs to be paid the wages etc. Living in a world of doers at the same time knowing there's no doer is a bizarre experience...
I don't live in world of doers. Self is doing. but there is no doer. And there are consequences for the doings...be it payday for working or jail for murder. A stone falls into the water...there is a splash and ripples. This does not require a doer. No doer needs to be assumed.
Without an assumed doer, the world would still exist. If there is any difference (there's no implication that is possible but...) there'd be no veil of ignorance added. Everything will unfold as it unfolds as it already does and is doing.
This is a philosophical question of free will more than the experience. If you think there is no will with no doer then it just comes down to what you think a “doer” is 🤔
@@yoeyyoey8937 There is doing and choosing...but no doer or chooser.
@@NondualityChannel There is always a doer and a chooser. The question is is the doer or chooser Cain or Abel in your head. You can't deny both and say neither exist when they are clearly there. Genesis is actually the evolution of the mind, not the literal whatever Christians believe. Check out Bill Donahue - Atom and Eve let's get it right on youtube and then tell me this again. Check out what I said about the phrase, I am riding my bike. Both are active in the sentence, but you say neither exist. I don't think you want to make any sense.
If there is no doer that means there is no I responsible for a actions, which would lead to a conclusion there is no one to feel guilty? All actions are God's actions and happen spontaneously?
Yes...so?
Please may i ask if there is no doer ..how did i put on weight on body ? Did i not do that by eating and now who is it that hates my body and wants to lose weight but always fails to succeed . Please and thank you
Clouds grow and put on weight too...but no one would say there is a doer that is doing this. Basically, there is no doer because there is no "me".
@@NondualityChannel why does it feel sooo true that there is a me doing ,huge attachment to my mind and body
@@marykavanagh531 Concepts, beliefs, habits, and conditioning for early childhood...the idea of "me" has been strengthened and solidified while growing up and as adults it feels so true. Now you have to observe, investigate, question, and doubt this "me" you feel and think yourself to be. th-cam.com/video/-A0cCNr6Wws/w-d-xo.html
Sir, if i am God then why i am powerless and non-doer... Why doer is someone else, if everything is me? ...
There is no "me" to claim ownership...there is nothing to identify with. But another pointer could be God/You are omnipresent and omnipotent and sole mover of the universe. But the trap is to identify as this. The "me" is an illusion and once shattered only leaves God. There is no doer of any kind...there is just the happening/action.
@@NondualityChannel This ME is also GOD... so why i dnt remembr that i created this illusion
@@karmakumara Why don't you remember or realize you are dreaming every night when you dream? You create the illusion/dream every night but don't remember/recognize this.
@@NondualityChannel but dream is not in my control... Its happening automatically...but GOD has control on his imagination
@@karmakumara Are those assumptions true?
Eric, is Brahman or Self the same like energy, you know like particles and atoms, or is the energy coming out from Brahman?
Consciousness/Brahman/Self/Energy is finer yet than particles and atoms. Particles and atoms are but forms.
@@NondualityChannel Therefore FORMLESS Energy is synonymous of Self, Consciousness or Brahman?
@@marcotarallo5559 Forms are not other than energy either. Brahman alone exists.
@@NondualityChannel And can Brahman be experienced?
@@marcotarallo5559 The eye never sees itself. Don't try to experience Brahman/Self...anything experienced would never be it. What is experiencing is Brahman/Self...just like what is seeing is the eye.
Thank you. Excellent. Dummy pronouns: it and there.
Greetings Eric,
When we observe a reaction arising within us, somehow it loses energy and dissipates. Can you kindly explain why bringing awareness to what we feel, makes it go away? How or why does awareness works in this way?
Sorry it might not be related to what is being discussed in the video.
It depends, but in truly seeing (due to observing a reaction)...understanding may arise. As reaction arises from our current understanding, if the understanding changes then the reaction changes.
If the same reaction keeps arising in similar situations, then the unseen has not yet been seen.
@@NondualityChannel Yes if understanding arises, we won’t react in the same way or at all to the external thing maybe.
But what I am not understanding is that even when understanding has not arisen, I haven’t seen the unseen, yet it goes away. Ofcourse it arises again when similar stimulus comes into contact.
@@manishbhagchandani6436 I don't recommend what your doing then if it just goes away temporarily to arise again the next time a similar stimulus arises. To continue doing so is just avoiding what is happening instead of delving into it and understanding it.
@@NondualityChannel delving into it using thought makes it analysis by me like it might be happening because of this leading to that and therefore this. But self-enquiry (which I think you’re pointing towards) is something different. Can you guide me on this please or maybe make a video on it for everyone’s benefit.
But kindly help us in differentiating between self-enquiry and analysis.
@@manishbhagchandani6436 I never said delve into it using thought. Just look and perhaps see.
Self enquiry does not involve contemplation or thinking...very different from analysis.
Hello, I have a question,
If i am not the doer then who is responsible for my mistakes?
And if i am responsible then how if i am not doer?
Responsibility is a derivative of the illusion of an independent agent (i.e. doer). No doer...no one responsible.
Also, "mistake" is a negative judgment of what happens naturally in the learning process. Toddlers learning to walk...there are missteps that land you on your butt...not mistakes. The missteps were needed to learn how to walk. No one is born master of anything...let alone master of life. So missteps will be made (that is certain)...and nothing wrong with missteps. They were necessary to learn. Life is trial and error...lots of error...why deem it bad or negative and call it a mistake?
I would say there is no such thing as a mistake, no such thing as responsibility, and no such thing as the doer.
The "it" is in fact the planet earth, that is raining in a particular area (where the observer is at) on the planet itself. Ie it is raining.
Swap out the pronoun for the actual word - the planet earth is raining or Earth is raining...that makes no sense.
@NondualityChannel
You are joking, right?
You wouldn't keep it in the same sentence structure as that is a short hand for expressing the idea that we have to deal with the hydrological cycle here on earth. The evaporation of moisture from especially the oceans, provides the main source of the moisture for storms that produce the precipitation.
The fact that it precipitates only over 11% of the
globe at any time demonstrates that the rates of precipitation on average when and where it occurs are 9 times the evaporation rates, or in other words, the area required to feed a precipitating weather system is 9 times the precipitation area through the convergence of moisture. This also highlights the importance of the environmental moisture content, which is largely governed by temperature via the Clausius-Clapeyron equation
determining good estimates of the
frequency of precipitation with climate variability and change, it is perhaps surprising that we can deduce some consequences for expectations of precipitation extremes. Although the above arguments are heuristic, because the frequencies obviously differ considerably with location and event, and most weather systems are not circular, they provide an excellent rule of thumb and conceptual basis for understanding how often rain falls and how it may change in the future.
But either way, planet earth is a rainy planet. Thus, as an observer in a localized region. It rains is a fair short expression of the fact that it (earth) precipitates regularly
All I'm saying is that to the topic you are discussing, the earth is the doer. In a dream the mind is the doer. It's like a computer, the DOS is the doer and so is the operating system which proxies for the DOS to allow you perform tasks. One it macro and all encompassing, and one is micro. Both are doing
Go beyond the thoughts, words and meanings. Witness without the mind imposing its labels and constructs. There is no doer.
It can be said that there is the illusion of a momentary appearance of a doer. But no such entity truly exists apart from That Absolute Truth which alone is, yet is beyond being and non being.
I am riding my bike.
Your doing cycling? The carnal mind is doing the action using the vessel to operate the pedals. And your spirit mind is enjoying the action of cycling. Because it is going along for the ride. The spirit says I AM RIDING , the carnal mind says that's MY BIKE. Both are doers, both are equally sharing an experience. Like Cain and Abel in your head. Cain claims ownership of anything earthly, Abel claims ownership of spiritual things like the experience of it. Cain and Abel were never real people, they were given an identity to reference duality of your mind. The whole book of Genesis talks about the evolution of the mind actually. And I know Christians are against that. But check out Bill Donahue - Atom and Eve lets get it right on TH-cam.
@@ronheiland6250 I think I hear what you are saying but it's still not computing.
Maybe my spirit and carnal mind are fighting so I can't understand?
@@ronheiland6250 I will look up that video I haven't heard of him or you before. TH-cams Algo sent me to you
The laugh sounds creepy and contrived.
@@malwinajaniak2487 Just don't get hoodwinked!
Wow!!
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