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You said at the beginning she was seen as a "villian by others" yet did not elaborate. How anywhere in that story the way you've told could she possibly be seen as a villian?? Citation needed bruh. Also, you and every other channel like you have the same voice. Trying to sound all spooky, but you all end up sounding like Luka Magnotta deepthroating a veiny meat cigar. I'm sure I'm not the only one you've heard this from. You know I'm right.
I totally agree. I highly doubt his lie stemmed from a calculated and malicious decision, he was a young child suffering from abuse who naively thought that this was an opportunity to find a new loving family.
What a crafty little kid. I'm sure he would have made a fine car salesman, politician, or insurance rep. He had every reason to do what he did...quite an advanced imagination.. I'd say.
Just an fyi: $70 in 1928 was a little over $1100 in today’s money. With that said - thank you for the video, I enjoyed watching it a couple of times :)
$1161.41 to be exact. That seems surprisingly low, I thought it would be more like 10k when I heard it. It’s crazy the LAPD wouldn’t be the ones paying wtf during the depression most ppl barely had pocket change to spare.
@@larsonfamilyhouse I can only assume that they didn’t pay because during the Great Depression not only were the people broke but police departments as well. In my opinion though, the cost doesn’t seem all that high considering it was only to pay for a one way trip from Illinois to California? Anyway i also want to comment on how many likes I got for this comment haha. Completely unexpected
Unfortunately, I've read the biography on Sanford Clark written by his son (its called "The Road Out of Hell"). It's a well written book but I don't think I could ever recommend it due to how intensely upsetting Sanford's story is. However, in the book he is very clear that, not only was Walter Collins one of his uncle's victims, but that Sanford was unfortunately present for his murder. He says that he remembers Walter in particular because he was the first boy his uncle abused that could speak English (most of his previous victims were undocumented migrant children from Mexico) and how horrible it was to try and instruct Walter on how to attempt to survive and withstand his uncle's abuse. He also says that his uncle was very manic and unstable day to day, and his attempts to toy with Christine Collins from jail was very much in character for him. However, I cannot stress enough how upsetting that book is so please, please don't look into it unless you are ready to stomach some of the worst accounts of child abuse I've ever seen. There's two bits of light in the darkness, though, that I try to keep in mind when I get too depressed thinking about this cas: 1: Remarkably, Sanford went on to recover very successfully from his childhood and lived a full and happy life as, according to his son, an amazingly gentle, loving, and wonderful husband and father to his wife and kids. 2: After trying to desperately dodge the death penalty, Gordon Stewart Northcott was sentenced to hang. On top of this, the rope used to hang him was "mistakenly" too short so it took him in total 13 minutes to die.
Thanks for letting us know Sanford survived his traumatic upbringing to know + show love. I wouldn't be able to handle the book you cite, so I appreciate the info all the more. ty
Sorry if this is rather naive, but was the abuse some deviant sexual thing or just physical? The descriptions are so vague I literally have no idea what category it would even fall into. I assume it was worse than just mental/emotional stuff, as bad as that type of abuse can be.
The LAPD treated Christine Collins horribly after finding an abandoned boy and telling her to “try the boy out”. Like, horribly doesn’t come close to describe the way she was treated. J.J. Jones did Christine Collins so dirty, never apologized, never even paid her the money she was owed from the lawsuit she filed and won against him. My heart still breaks for her, she never truly got answers to what happened to Walter or where he was. She spent the rest of her life looking for him and that’s so upsetting to learn she died without finding her son. I do believe that he was unfortunately a victim of that sick monster Northcott and his disgusting mother.
The saddest part is that her son was likely dead within 1 week of going missing. But she never got closure & even thought he was coming home to her. That little brat that pretended to be him didnt have a single thought about her feelings. I get he was in a bad situation but jesus christ
@@fidelio9301 He was actually 12 to 13 & pretended to be her 9 year old son. That's why I'm saying that because a teenager is a lot more aware of the pain that would cause than a 9 year old. A 9 year old wouldnt even be able to plan out such an operation. But yeah his age still probably had something to do with it, hes still just a kid either way
This was turned into a movie called Changeling which overall seems to have stayed pretty accurate as far as movies based on true crime goes. Angelina Jolie really embodies the heartache of the role, it's been a long time since I've seen it but I remember it really staying with me.
Pretty certain Walter met his end at the ranch. I’m racking my brain for the source, but Sanford gave testimony of playing with a boy named Walter Collins, and trying to protect Walter from being murdered by Robert and his mother just before it happened….and he heard it happen. Sanford’s story is tragic, iirc he was sent to work on the farm by a neglectful family and there were multiple instances he tried to inform them of Robert’s abuse then his murders, and it wasn’t until his sister visited that someone took him seriously.
There’s a book covering the the life of Gordon Stewart Northcott called Nothing is Strange With You and I believe it’s in there, for one example. It’s not really about Walter Collins and Christine Collins, but recommended if you want to read more about the Wineville Chickencoop Murders and Northcott’s terrifying personality and actions.
I seriously can't believe the pressure and false happiness they forced upon the mother. They threatened her, claiming insanity and put her against her will in a insane asylum but it's so F*cked up they forced her into lying for their own police image and reputation.
That’s how women were treated in those times. Oh she’s inconvenient? She’s clearly gone mad, off to the asylum she goes! Mind you, the asylums were there to hold people, not help them
Never even apologize once the kid admitted he wasn’t Walter. JJ Jones even refused to pay her the money she was owed after she filed a lawsuit against him and won. I can’t believe how prideful some can be and cannot admit that they were wrong and weren’t perfect in their position.
What happened to Arthur? I hope he wasn't sent back to his abusive family. Even though he lied and used Christine, I doubt he did so out of malice. He was just a kid desperate to escape a bad situation.
I wonder the same thing. I really hope they didn't send him back to his abusive family. Although, given the LAPD's shady actions and the fact that he would be publicly recognized I really have to wonder how he just vanished after being found out.
According to a Mental floss article he was sent back to his family and attended a state rehabilitation program. He lived an average life after that until he died in 1954 of a blood clot. The article also states that he felt that he owed Christine an apology for impersonating Walter. He just wanted away from his stepmother and saw an opportunity for a free trip to California. Sad all around, but he seemed to turn out ok when he reached adulthood.
This is such a sad story, my goodness. I can't imagine my daughter going missing,. The hardest part - I imagine - is not knowing. What happened to your little baby? Are they still out there? Are they dead? That ambiguity has to tear a person up on the inside. Go hug your kids, folks.
They literally locked Christine away and when the police found out Christine was telling the truth, they still laughed at her instead of trying to find Walter..... SMH
When they found out she was telling the truth, they "laughed at her"? Where did you get that from? There was nothing in here about her being made fun of after she was proved to be correct
Thank you for highlighting the way civil commitment is used in conjunction with gaslighting to abuse innocent people. Also, I like the use of the original news clippings. It adds historical context and visual texture. Having said that, the stock footage you did use (like the drone shot of the field in dusk light) was tastefully chosen and added to the emotional ambience.
Hello! I seriously hope my comment isn't buried. I really want to let you know how great not only the video quality is but your voice and style in regards to the way you relay information is just outstanding. There are a few channels I actually wait patiently for their videos to slowly trickle out every month or so but you seem to put out content often enough to where I can binge and still have plenty to watch after❤️ Plus, I'm not sure but it seems as though you may have been in video production classes or public speaking courses because the narration is simply wonderful👍
I wouldnt have ever given up looking for my daughter. Thankfully, it only took me 3 months to find her. I looked every single day. Every. Day. All because my POS ex decided to move without telling me due to her bipolar disorder. Sadly, my daughter was killed just a year later when her mother decided that texting was more important than actually paying attention to the road while she was driving. And she wrecked. That wreck took our child from this earth. Worst day of my life.
I’ve heard this case told so many times each focusing on someone different. I’ve heard this case be told while focusing on Gordon or his family, Walter, even Arthur, but never focusing mainly on Christine until now. What an incredible woman, who was dealt so many bad hands yet never gave up.
Cadaber, you deserve so much more recognition and so many more subs and views for all of your videos. I'm blown away by the quality of what you produce and am always on the lookout for new videos from you. You have the perfect narration voice and you speak clearly and intelligently. I sincerely wish you MUCH success in the future and I truly am always excited when I see new videos from you. 😊 As always, this video is excellent and this whole concept is very creepy. I can't imagine enduring this situation. It's quite bizarre, unique, and is heartbreaking.
I feel bad for both Christine and Arthur. The former loses her son and gets her hopes up, while Arthur's had such an awful upbringing that he felt he had no choice but to be an impostor.
Anyone else equally horrified and unsurprised by the fact that police could (and still can) have someone involuntarily committed for the crime of being too difficult or inconvenient for them
I doubt that "they still can." It is extremely hard to have anyone committed for any period of time nowdays, even those who really need to be committed. They are typically held for a day or 2, then released, and are not given reliable supervision, even when it is needed, as with some schizophrenics who may tend to go off their meds when living independently, and becoming psychotic when off the meds.
@@heidih3048 "I doubt that "they still can." It is extremely hard to have anyone committed for any period of time nowdays" Yes, for average people. But for the tax-funded bullies that can do whatever they want, not so much. It just SEEMS that way because of course they'll work to cover their tracks or do it by proxy.
What I'm wondering is: Does the police still have the bones from that case? And do they, by any chance still have genetic material of the mother? I mean... it wouldn't really help anyone anymore, but it could solve the question on whether Walter was amongst the unfortunate on the farm...
Love the videos, keep it up. This was driving me nuts though. It’s recanted when you pull back a story, not recounted. Recounted is just telling an event from memory.
Besides making my blood boil, I've never heard a variation of the story that doesn't leave me in absolute awe that this was allowed to happen in reality. It's unreal.
@@lizc6393 oh I'm quite aware. "Corruption" doesn't even begin to describe how awful that establishment is. Christ, it's so bad that it's a running gag on a few channels I watch. And the part that kills me is that it's any wonder why people don't like or trust cops. They have way too much power and way too little accountability. Not to mention, their unions should have no say whatsoever in policy or anything else. I'm a union guy myself but The level of corruption in police unions is absolutely absurd. The LAPD is just on a whole nother level of all of that. Hell, they made a feature film about it. When Hollywood makes a fucking movie about just how corrupt you are, there's a problem there. What was that cop's name? Frank something with a C? The one that blew the whistle on the LAPD? Like his first day on the job he witnessed cops throwing a dude off a building. It's that bad.
@@lizc6393 Frank Serpico. They made a movie about him called "Serpico." He blew the whistle on the LAPD back in the '70s I believe. Some unbelievable shit.
The chicken coop murders have shaken me to my core for years. Northcott and that "mother" of his were PURE EVIL - and I mean it when I say it! Poor Christine, Walter, Arthur, Sanford and all of the victims of that EVIL duo. It is just sickening. I first heard about this case back when I was so young, maybe 11 or 12? I just couldn't believe it. Even my dad, who has a VERY strong stomach, was horrified. He remained calm but I could see it as he shook his head in disbelief. I so badly want to hug all the victims in this case (gosh, there are SO many!) and just get my hands on Northcott and his "mother". Ugh! LAPD's treatment of Christine is UNBELIEVABLE. Even after she showed them evidence and asked for more evidence, they had the nerve...and the AUDACITY!
Just FYI, I think you mean “recanted” where you say “recounted.” “Recounted” means to tell about, as in “they recounted the events.” “Recanted” means to disavow a previous statement or belief, as in “He recanted his previous confession, claiming his innocence.”
I appreciate how you always stive for a balanced point of view in your commentary! I was sympathizing the police at first but that had shattered at the point LAPD refused to listen to Christine. And the fake child taking the opportunity of escaping his family is sure a bizarre twist in this story, that is making it appear fictional. In the end, the woman was doing the job for the investigators, interrogating the killer and fishing for more details on the killed boys. Man. Christine Collins is a true hero.
Insane. Great video!! I grew up in DeKalb, IL for a number of years and never heard anything about the Collins case. Usually you hear about these things no matter the amount of time passed. Even the oldest cold case solved was the town over (Sycamore, IL). Also, its pronounced Deek - al - b.
So in Easter Ross we have a few areas of Pagan interest, specifically Rosemarkie where we have Fairy (Faery) Glen. We put coins into the offerings which is a large fallen tree that’s been there for decades, it’s a dead tree, you only use the dead tree as it’s disrespectful to use living trees. I’ve done this myself since childhood and have had visitors ask why we leave offerings. The offerings tree are us giving offerings to the faeries, to keep them happy. If we don't give the faeries offerings, then they will steal our nicely behaved, happy and healthy human babies with changelings, faery babies, who are horrible, difficult, don't behave and sickly. Basically, so your human baby isn’t swapped and a stranger takes its place. There’s also the Clootie Well at Munlochy where rag offerings are tied to a tree trunk and must not be disturbed, and must not be tied too tightly to damage the tree as again, it’s disrespectful to damage living trees. The rags must be left in place to naturally decay, they cannot be removed. Folk pray to the Gods for health mostly as the Clootie Well is a Celtic healing well (around Pictish era, so early 300’s). I’m from Contin, I grew up around these areas visiting regularly with my family, my Gran taught me about these rituals and the meanings behind them, and their histories are told on by the living generation. But yeah, the whole story makes me think of my Grans stories, of a changeling child taking place of the actual child by vengeful Faeries.
It's fascinating for sure, but it upsets me more than most cases (and I have a tolerance for grim cases.) Between the way Christine was tortured, and the hellish fate Walter faced, it just turns my stomach.
@@lizc6393 100% agreed. The injustice. I think that's what makes me truly upset and connected to this case. She was such a strong woman despite it all. I feel relatively convinced that Northcott did it, but who can say.
@@roxyhart5692 Oh, well, that certainly would make it rather difficult for me to read, I admit. That’s too bad. But it’s cool you did such a project and I’m still impressed even without seeing it!
I think the first time I heard about this was in a novel by James Ellroy, known for his period crime novels in and around Los Angeles. His works don't hold back about the institutional corruption in government and law enforcement.
i still think it’s the coolest thing ever that you just happened to become the first person to make your username “cadaber”. like imagine how many ppl tried to make their names cadaber but couldn’t bc you beat them to it
‘The Changeling’ w/ Angelina Jolie, movie, is a true story? Damn, I watched it as was fiction so once you started speaking of this, it start coming back to me. It was a hard movie to watch then but it’s going to b harder to rewatch again, knowing it was based on a real incident. It is a poetic despite tragic longing that the mother continued in her search for her son, that’s a long time to b looking. I agree, I think they r together, finally ❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥
This was. An experience, this is such an interesting and heartbreaking story, but the fact she had the courage to see him twice and not only analyze him the second time was ugh man, is this a movie yet?
My mom would tell me about this case when I was younger. She even had me watch the movie based on this. Wow how sad and scary. As an adult and trying to see why the police treated her like this.
He grew up got a job working on fairgrounds for a while and then eventually became a racehorse jockey before he died at 35 or 36 years old so he definitely lived longer than poor Walter
Omg this is just like that French con artist who pretended to be from a family from the US Midwest who had a child go missing years ago and they took him in after no one realizing the guy was like 30 but pretending to be 15. It’s the craziest story I’ve ever heard and there’s even a crazier ending. If you haven’t heard that story you absolutely need to look it up
The actions of JJ Jones and modern police are not that different. To be sure, there are good people working in police departments all across America, though I have immense distrust and disdain for the institution itself, but many people are absolutely abused and wrongfully detained, charged, and convicted on the words of spiteful or vengeful police achieving goals outside of the law.
I think its the one of the ghoul boys cover on buzzfeed unsolved?...... The theory was the boy is missing or dead she just come the boy as a shell of her son and live with it. Then the boy "said" I'm not her son i just live my life as someone else son to a mother who isn't mine
Angelina Jolie portrays this mother in a dramatization of the story called: “The Changeling”. Such a tragedy…(not the movie; it’s pretty good actually), but the actual happening….As a mother, I know there is no more “worst case scenario” than this.
Great show guys 👍❤️‼️. Is it just me or did anyone feel bad for Arthur the runaway from Illinois? I was waiting to hear that maybe Christine, despite knowing the truth about him, would have tried to help Arthur in some way. Let me clarify, I’ll never say that I understand what a mother goes through and feels in that situation. But as a mother, it’s a natural instinct to help/rescue all children in distress. I can’t imagine what poor Arthur’s step mother did to him once returned to her
I JUST saw a post about this on twitter today (it didn't name it though just gave an outline) and I went to your channel tonight and when I heard the twist I was like HOLLLY SHITTTT it's THAT
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@@howdareyouexist I mean sure but also what an odd scrap to seize on in the midst of the actual point of the original comment. At the very least congratulate Abigor on quitting if you're going to be all hit + run negative.
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I love your videos - you're one of my favourite youtubers and so fascinating. I have a tiny request, is there any chance you could mute-out rather than bleep-out swear words? I have sensory processing issues and hilarious as it is for everyone else to watch, I clear jumped out of my seat with the beep! :D
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@antonioi659 any chance you have the Halloween E-book from Verba school (formerly ru land club)? The Halloween reader. Any chance that I can get a copy if you still have it? Verba school no longer sells it
I love your channel. This does need to be said though, you used the word recount several times when the word you wanted to use was recant. They have different meanings. Your channel has such original and interesting content. I look forward to seeing more.
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Actually never mind it just has to be Capital C and the rest lowercase
Ouch. Man, that was harsh - I mean the beep.
If you want to curse - just curse.
You said at the beginning she was seen as a "villian by others" yet did not elaborate. How anywhere in that story the way you've told could she possibly be seen as a villian?? Citation needed bruh. Also, you and every other channel like you have the same voice. Trying to sound all spooky, but you all end up sounding like Luka Magnotta deepthroating a veiny meat cigar. I'm sure I'm not the only one you've heard this from. You know I'm right.
I feel bad for Arthur, even though he lied to Christine; poor kid just wanted to get away from all the abuse he endured... and poor Sanford, too!
I totally agree. I highly doubt his lie stemmed from a calculated and malicious decision, he was a young child suffering from abuse who naively thought that this was an opportunity to find a new loving family.
Hopefully he wasn't taken back to his family but I'd assume he was
@@RisingRevengeance I wonder about this too ): I really hope not
@@RisingRevengeance 14:37, the newspaper said he was "returned to his stepmother" :(
What a crafty little kid. I'm sure he would have made a fine car salesman, politician, or insurance rep. He had every reason to do what he did...quite an advanced imagination.. I'd say.
Just an fyi: $70 in 1928 was a little over $1100 in today’s money.
With that said - thank you for the video, I enjoyed watching it a couple of times :)
$1161.41 to be exact. That seems surprisingly low, I thought it would be more like 10k when I heard it. It’s crazy the LAPD wouldn’t be the ones paying wtf during the depression most ppl barely had pocket change to spare.
@@larsonfamilyhouse I can only assume that they didn’t pay because during the Great Depression not only were the people broke but police departments as well.
In my opinion though, the cost doesn’t seem all that high considering it was only to pay for a one way trip from Illinois to California?
Anyway i also want to comment on how many likes I got for this comment haha. Completely unexpected
@@larsonfamilyhouse1928 was not the great depression, homies.
Unfortunately, I've read the biography on Sanford Clark written by his son (its called "The Road Out of Hell"). It's a well written book but I don't think I could ever recommend it due to how intensely upsetting Sanford's story is. However, in the book he is very clear that, not only was Walter Collins one of his uncle's victims, but that Sanford was unfortunately present for his murder. He says that he remembers Walter in particular because he was the first boy his uncle abused that could speak English (most of his previous victims were undocumented migrant children from Mexico) and how horrible it was to try and instruct Walter on how to attempt to survive and withstand his uncle's abuse.
He also says that his uncle was very manic and unstable day to day, and his attempts to toy with Christine Collins from jail was very much in character for him.
However, I cannot stress enough how upsetting that book is so please, please don't look into it unless you are ready to stomach some of the worst accounts of child abuse I've ever seen.
There's two bits of light in the darkness, though, that I try to keep in mind when I get too depressed thinking about this cas:
1: Remarkably, Sanford went on to recover very successfully from his childhood and lived a full and happy life as, according to his son, an amazingly gentle, loving, and wonderful husband and father to his wife and kids.
2: After trying to desperately dodge the death penalty, Gordon Stewart Northcott was sentenced to hang. On top of this, the rope used to hang him was "mistakenly" too short so it took him in total 13 minutes to die.
Thanks for letting us know Sanford survived his traumatic upbringing to know + show love. I wouldn't be able to handle the book you cite, so I appreciate the info all the more. ty
That's crazy info, thanks for posting it. Also like your pokey little puppy avatar.
Sorry if this is rather naive, but was the abuse some deviant sexual thing or just physical? The descriptions are so vague I literally have no idea what category it would even fall into. I assume it was worse than just mental/emotional stuff, as bad as that type of abuse can be.
@@BuddyLee23 I’m pretty sure it was sexual abuse as well as physical
@@savannahlawrence2717 pretty sure?
The LAPD treated Christine Collins horribly after finding an abandoned boy and telling her to “try the boy out”. Like, horribly doesn’t come close to describe the way she was treated. J.J. Jones did Christine Collins so dirty, never apologized, never even paid her the money she was owed from the lawsuit she filed and won against him. My heart still breaks for her, she never truly got answers to what happened to Walter or where he was. She spent the rest of her life looking for him and that’s so upsetting to learn she died without finding her son. I do believe that he was unfortunately a victim of that sick monster Northcott and his disgusting mother.
The saddest part is that her son was likely dead within 1 week of going missing. But she never got closure & even thought he was coming home to her. That little brat that pretended to be him didnt have a single thought about her feelings. I get he was in a bad situation but jesus christ
@@frankmarano1118 True but I guess because he’s 9 he wouldn’t understand the gravity of the situation.
@@fidelio9301 He was actually 12 to 13 & pretended to be her 9 year old son. That's why I'm saying that because a teenager is a lot more aware of the pain that would cause than a 9 year old. A 9 year old wouldnt even be able to plan out such an operation. But yeah his age still probably had something to do with it, hes still just a kid either way
@@frankmarano1118 I see well yes that’s screwed up then.
i mean i'm not suprised, its the fucking LAPD. those guys were corrupt as shit
This was turned into a movie called Changeling which overall seems to have stayed pretty accurate as far as movies based on true crime goes. Angelina Jolie really embodies the heartache of the role, it's been a long time since I've seen it but I remember it really staying with me.
Definitely a good movie. The frustration she goes through when Walter "returns" and she just KNOWS it's not him. So heartbreaking.
Great movie, completely forgot about it
Belting film that is.
Ahh this is that case?
@@billblaski9523 yup
Pretty certain Walter met his end at the ranch. I’m racking my brain for the source, but Sanford gave testimony of playing with a boy named Walter Collins, and trying to protect Walter from being murdered by Robert and his mother just before it happened….and he heard it happen. Sanford’s story is tragic, iirc he was sent to work on the farm by a neglectful family and there were multiple instances he tried to inform them of Robert’s abuse then his murders, and it wasn’t until his sister visited that someone took him seriously.
I think I read that too and that it was a reddit writeup.
His sister was a hero. She tried to fight his mother from sending him back to the ranch originally.
There’s a book covering the the life of Gordon Stewart Northcott called Nothing is Strange With You and I believe it’s in there, for one example. It’s not really about Walter Collins and Christine Collins, but recommended if you want to read more about the Wineville Chickencoop Murders and Northcott’s terrifying personality and actions.
@@MegCazalet that might be worth a read when I can stomach it, thank you so much
I seriously can't believe the pressure and false happiness they forced upon the mother. They threatened her, claiming insanity and put her against her will in a insane asylum but it's so F*cked up they forced her into lying for their own police image and reputation.
That’s how women were treated in those times. Oh she’s inconvenient? She’s clearly gone mad, off to the asylum she goes! Mind you, the asylums were there to hold people, not help them
Never even apologize once the kid admitted he wasn’t Walter. JJ Jones even refused to pay her the money she was owed after she filed a lawsuit against him and won. I can’t believe how prideful some can be and cannot admit that they were wrong and weren’t perfect in their position.
@@sourgreendolly7685 they still are just to hold people
My public image is ruined, what will I do? Oh, I know, let's tell lies to the media, that'll fix it!
What happened to Arthur? I hope he wasn't sent back to his abusive family. Even though he lied and used Christine, I doubt he did so out of malice. He was just a kid desperate to escape a bad situation.
I wonder the same thing. I really hope they didn't send him back to his abusive family. Although, given the LAPD's shady actions and the fact that he would be publicly recognized I really have to wonder how he just vanished after being found out.
According to a Mental floss article he was sent back to his family and attended a state rehabilitation program. He lived an average life after that until he died in 1954 of a blood clot. The article also states that he felt that he owed Christine an apology for impersonating Walter. He just wanted away from his stepmother and saw an opportunity for a free trip to California. Sad all around, but he seemed to turn out ok when he reached adulthood.
This is such a sad story, my goodness. I can't imagine my daughter going missing,. The hardest part - I imagine - is not knowing. What happened to your little baby? Are they still out there? Are they dead? That ambiguity has to tear a person up on the inside. Go hug your kids, folks.
They literally locked Christine away and when the police found out Christine was telling the truth, they still laughed at her instead of trying to find Walter..... SMH
When they found out she was telling the truth, they "laughed at her"? Where did you get that from? There was nothing in here about her being made fun of after she was proved to be correct
@@heidih3048 They still mocked her for believing that the fake Walter wasn't her kid.. And in the video, the Captain of the LAPD mocked her...
Thank you for highlighting the way civil commitment is used in conjunction with gaslighting to abuse innocent people. Also, I like the use of the original news clippings. It adds historical context and visual texture. Having said that, the stock footage you did use (like the drone shot of the field in dusk light) was tastefully chosen and added to the emotional ambience.
I saw a quote somewhere that the captain accused Christine of “shirking her motherly duties” when she claimed the boy was not Walter.
Hello! I seriously hope my comment isn't buried. I really want to let you know how great not only the video quality is but your voice and style in regards to the way you relay information is just outstanding. There are a few channels I actually wait patiently for their videos to slowly trickle out every month or so but you seem to put out content often enough to where I can binge and still have plenty to watch after❤️ Plus, I'm not sure but it seems as though you may have been in video production classes or public speaking courses because the narration is simply wonderful👍
Imagine having an ego so massive that the notion of you being wrong is so crazy that you would have that person committed...
Imagine a kid trying to pretend he’s someone else’s missing kid. I mean the situation is pretty fucking crazy.
@@lemineftalinot hard to imagine, specially coming from an abusive home life. The cop’s behavior though, that’s absurd
“There’s an old saying, that a mother’s love is ever lasting”. Epic intro and I knew immediately I was hooked.
this breaks my heart. this poor woman and her poor son... i only hope that if there's an afterlife they're together there now.
As a mother myself....you don't give up.... EVER. I hope wherever Christine went when she died she was reunited with Walter.
I wouldnt have ever given up looking for my daughter. Thankfully, it only took me 3 months to find her. I looked every single day. Every. Day. All because my POS ex decided to move without telling me due to her bipolar disorder.
Sadly, my daughter was killed just a year later when her mother decided that texting was more important than actually paying attention to the road while she was driving. And she wrecked. That wreck took our child from this earth.
Worst day of my life.
@@J.C... 🤗❤️🩹😇🙏
I hope that you heal someday for your sake but also for the sake of your daughter. 💐
you dont go anywhere after you die. you simply stop being
Absolutely stunning tell of the story
I’ve heard this case told so many times each focusing on someone different. I’ve heard this case be told while focusing on Gordon or his family, Walter, even Arthur, but never focusing mainly on Christine until now. What an incredible woman, who was dealt so many bad hands yet never gave up.
Yes I've loved the thought of you covering this case!!
I took a vacation from work today, and I am thankful for this video as I lay down in the afternoon sun! Thank you Cadabar 💜
Cats are the best people
Cadaber, you deserve so much more recognition and so many more subs and views for all of your videos. I'm blown away by the quality of what you produce and am always on the lookout for new videos from you. You have the perfect narration voice and you speak clearly and intelligently. I sincerely wish you MUCH success in the future and I truly am always excited when I see new videos from you. 😊
As always, this video is excellent and this whole concept is very creepy. I can't imagine enduring this situation. It's quite bizarre, unique, and is heartbreaking.
I feel bad for both Christine and Arthur.
The former loses her son and gets her hopes up, while Arthur's had such an awful upbringing that he felt he had no choice but to be an impostor.
Anyone else equally horrified and unsurprised by the fact that police could (and still can) have someone involuntarily committed for the crime of being too difficult or inconvenient for them
I doubt that "they still can." It is extremely hard to have anyone committed for any period of time nowdays, even those who really need to be committed. They are typically held for a day or 2, then released, and are not given reliable supervision, even when it is needed, as with some schizophrenics who may tend to go off their meds when living independently, and becoming psychotic when off the meds.
@@heidih3048 "I doubt that "they still can." It is extremely hard to have anyone committed for any period of time nowdays" Yes, for average people. But for the tax-funded bullies that can do whatever they want, not so much. It just SEEMS that way because of course they'll work to cover their tracks or do it by proxy.
What I'm wondering is: Does the police still have the bones from that case? And do they, by any chance still have genetic material of the mother? I mean... it wouldn't really help anyone anymore, but it could solve the question on whether Walter was amongst the unfortunate on the farm...
The bones were from two brothers. Walters bones weren’t in the hole.
I can’t get enough of this channel! Gotta get those subs up!!
Always look forward to your videos, thank you
Cadaber dropping another banger!
Love the videos, keep it up. This was driving me nuts though. It’s recanted when you pull back a story, not recounted. Recounted is just telling an event from memory.
Heartbreaking. I can't nor want to imagine what Missus Collins went through.
I found your channel a few weeks ago and I've been a huge fan ever since! Love the vids bro
I've heard Sanford's story before and this one one briefly, but never knew that they were related! Great video.
I’M SO HAPPY I FOUND YOUR CHANNEL AHHHH THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONTENT
perfect thing to throw on in the background while i study my Greek :3 so excited i love your voice lol
I rarely am shocked out loud by anything I see, this one got me! When she was committed, I gasped. Great storytelling, effing terrible story.
Besides making my blood boil, I've never heard a variation of the story that doesn't leave me in absolute awe that this was allowed to happen in reality. It's unreal.
I recommend not looking into any more of the LAPDs botched cases then, it's a bottomless pit of incompetence and extreme corruption.
@@lizc6393 oh I'm quite aware. "Corruption" doesn't even begin to describe how awful that establishment is. Christ, it's so bad that it's a running gag on a few channels I watch. And the part that kills me is that it's any wonder why people don't like or trust cops. They have way too much power and way too little accountability. Not to mention, their unions should have no say whatsoever in policy or anything else. I'm a union guy myself but The level of corruption in police unions is absolutely absurd. The LAPD is just on a whole nother level of all of that. Hell, they made a feature film about it. When Hollywood makes a fucking movie about just how corrupt you are, there's a problem there. What was that cop's name? Frank something with a C? The one that blew the whistle on the LAPD? Like his first day on the job he witnessed cops throwing a dude off a building. It's that bad.
@@lizc6393 Frank Serpico. They made a movie about him called "Serpico." He blew the whistle on the LAPD back in the '70s I believe. Some unbelievable shit.
@@lizc6393 My bad Frank Serpico was in NYPD detective but still the corruption even in that department is unbelievable.
The chicken coop murders have shaken me to my core for years. Northcott and that "mother" of his were PURE EVIL - and I mean it when I say it! Poor Christine, Walter, Arthur, Sanford and all of the victims of that EVIL duo. It is just sickening. I first heard about this case back when I was so young, maybe 11 or 12? I just couldn't believe it. Even my dad, who has a VERY strong stomach, was horrified. He remained calm but I could see it as he shook his head in disbelief. I so badly want to hug all the victims in this case (gosh, there are SO many!) and just get my hands on Northcott and his "mother". Ugh! LAPD's treatment of Christine is UNBELIEVABLE. Even after she showed them evidence and asked for more evidence, they had the nerve...and the AUDACITY!
I live for that intro, never change it Cadaber.
Fascinating and sad case. You are really good at presentation.
Beautifully presented.
This is a story of both the depth and horror of a mother's love. Both would walk through fire for their offspring with very different souls.
Christine Collins: "Wait! This is not My son!"
The LAPD: "Just try him out. You'll get used to him".
Christine Collins: 🤨😕
News article @6:28 reads “Clew” is that old timey for “clue”? I’ve never seen it like that
Love you videos by the way. Great content and just overall an awesome TH-cam channel!!!!
Just FYI, I think you mean “recanted” where you say “recounted.”
“Recounted” means to tell about, as in “they recounted the events.”
“Recanted” means to disavow a previous statement or belief, as in “He recanted his previous confession, claiming his innocence.”
Your commentary is beautiful, respectful, and definitely deserves 👏👍🏻🥲🥺🤜🤛🤝🤝🤙
Finally, some content I NEED for working
I appreciate how you always stive for a balanced point of view in your commentary!
I was sympathizing the police at first but that had shattered at the point LAPD refused to listen to Christine. And the fake child taking the opportunity of escaping his family is sure a bizarre twist in this story, that is making it appear fictional. In the end, the woman was doing the job for the investigators, interrogating the killer and fishing for more details on the killed boys. Man. Christine Collins is a true hero.
Insane. Great video!! I grew up in DeKalb, IL for a number of years and never heard anything about the Collins case. Usually you hear about these things no matter the amount of time passed. Even the oldest cold case solved was the town over (Sycamore, IL). Also, its pronounced Deek - al - b.
So in Easter Ross we have a few areas of Pagan interest, specifically Rosemarkie where we have Fairy (Faery) Glen.
We put coins into the offerings which is a large fallen tree that’s been there for decades, it’s a dead tree, you only use the dead tree as it’s disrespectful to use living trees. I’ve done this myself since childhood and have had visitors ask why we leave offerings.
The offerings tree are us giving offerings to the faeries, to keep them happy. If we don't give the faeries offerings, then they will steal our nicely behaved, happy and healthy human babies with changelings, faery babies, who are horrible, difficult, don't behave and sickly. Basically, so your human baby isn’t swapped and a stranger takes its place.
There’s also the Clootie Well at Munlochy where rag offerings are tied to a tree trunk and must not be disturbed, and must not be tied too tightly to damage the tree as again, it’s disrespectful to damage living trees. The rags must be left in place to naturally decay, they cannot be removed. Folk pray to the Gods for health mostly as the Clootie Well is a Celtic healing well (around Pictish era, so early 300’s). I’m from Contin, I grew up around these areas visiting regularly with my family, my Gran taught me about these rituals and the meanings behind them, and their histories are told on by the living generation.
But yeah, the whole story makes me think of my Grans stories, of a changeling child taking place of the actual child by vengeful Faeries.
This is my favourite case. Made a huge write-up and analysis of it a decade ago and sometimes I revisit just to remember this and all the details.
It's fascinating for sure, but it upsets me more than most cases (and I have a tolerance for grim cases.) Between the way Christine was tortured, and the hellish fate Walter faced, it just turns my stomach.
@@lizc6393 100% agreed. The injustice. I think that's what makes me truly upset and connected to this case. She was such a strong woman despite it all. I feel relatively convinced that Northcott did it, but who can say.
Did you post it somewhere, by chance?
@@MegCazalet Unfortunately not. I mean, I still have it, but it's all in Swedish 😅
@@roxyhart5692 Oh, well, that certainly would make it rather difficult for me to read, I admit. That’s too bad. But it’s cool you did such a project and I’m still impressed even without seeing it!
I think the first time I heard about this was in a novel by James Ellroy, known for his period crime novels in and around Los Angeles. His works don't hold back about the institutional corruption in government and law enforcement.
I always imagine that when she passed, she reunited with her son. What a hard life she had. Another example of the police messing up this case.
Just found this channel loving it binge time
i still think it’s the coolest thing ever that you just happened to become the first person to make your username “cadaber”. like imagine how many ppl tried to make their names cadaber but couldn’t bc you beat them to it
He probably isn't the first but he just beat them in popularity. It's the illusion that matters when you're a youtuber I guess
dw dude, he used to have a skeleton dabbing as his profile pic
It ain't instagram, there could be hundreds of cadaber's on here. It's still very cool though, that he may be the most famous cadaber.
This was utterly heartbreaking. Poor people. It's so sad 😞
Great video, thanks!
Recant and recount have different meanings, though.
‘The Changeling’ w/ Angelina Jolie, movie, is a true story? Damn, I watched it as was fiction so once you started speaking of this, it start coming back to me. It was a hard movie to watch then but it’s going to b harder to rewatch again, knowing it was based on a real incident. It is a poetic despite tragic longing that the mother continued in her search for her son, that’s a long time to b looking. I agree, I think they r together, finally ❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥
Yay!!! Love your videos man keep it up!
LAPD: The more things change, the more we stay the same.
I would like to see a follow up on Sanford.
+ poor Arthur.
This was. An experience, this is such an interesting and heartbreaking story, but the fact she had the courage to see him twice and not only analyze him the second time was ugh man, is this a movie yet?
Omg fricken awesome, I thought the same about her paying for travel! Now I'm a new subscriber!!
My mom would tell me about this case when I was younger. She even had me watch the movie based on this. Wow how sad and scary. As an adult and trying to see why the police treated her like this.
I feel so terrible for that poor woman. I had never heard of this case.
Lovely, thank you
We still mistrust the LAPD, and all pds. Each major city probably has a horrifying tragedy committed by them.
@16:37 I can’t be the only person who saw a creepy figure underneath that table thing in the yard… wtf??
I see the ghoul 😱
I have to believe she found him afterlife or else this is way too sad a story.
What happend to Arthur? He was quite a inventive and I feel bad for him that he had to run away from home and pretend to be someone else
He grew up got a job working on fairgrounds for a while and then eventually became a racehorse jockey before he died at 35 or 36 years old so he definitely lived longer than poor Walter
"LAPD had began to developed a bad public image" yup and that never left, biggest gang in LA lol
Christine is the definition of what a true parent is.
Omg this is just like that French con artist who pretended to be from a family from the US Midwest who had a child go missing years ago and they took him in after no one realizing the guy was like 30 but pretending to be 15. It’s the craziest story I’ve ever heard and there’s even a crazier ending. If you haven’t heard that story you absolutely need to look it up
Love this channel
Incredible content
The actions of JJ Jones and modern police are not that different. To be sure, there are good people working in police departments all across America, though I have immense distrust and disdain for the institution itself, but many people are absolutely abused and wrongfully detained, charged, and convicted on the words of spiteful or vengeful police achieving goals outside of the law.
this case sounds familiar but Imma watch it again to fill my brain with lessons and knowledge.
I think its the one of the ghoul boys cover on buzzfeed unsolved?...... The theory was the boy is missing or dead she just come the boy as a shell of her son and live with it. Then the boy "said" I'm not her son i just live my life as someone else son to a mother who isn't mine
It might also be familiar because of the Angelina Jolie movie Changeling.
@@stalinsoulz7872 yeah that
@@StefTheBold well then happy theories Shaniacs
@@stalinsoulz7872 yeahhyh!!
Angelina Jolie portrays this mother in a dramatization of the story called: “The Changeling”. Such a tragedy…(not the movie; it’s pretty good actually), but the actual happening….As a mother, I know there is no more “worst case scenario” than this.
It's a horror movie for parents.
Great show guys 👍❤️‼️. Is it just me or did anyone feel bad for Arthur the runaway from Illinois? I was waiting to hear that maybe Christine, despite knowing the truth about him, would have tried to help Arthur in some way. Let me clarify, I’ll never say that I understand what a mother goes through and feels in that situation. But as a mother, it’s a natural instinct to help/rescue all children in distress. I can’t imagine what poor Arthur’s step mother did to him once returned to her
I JUST saw a post about this on twitter today (it didn't name it though just gave an outline) and I went to your channel tonight and when I heard the twist I was like HOLLLY SHITTTT it's THAT
Man I'm bummed out. That's a terrible story. But like you said, hopefully they both found each other in the end and now are at peace.
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@@howdareyouexist I mean sure but also what an odd scrap to seize on in the midst of the actual point of the original comment. At the very least congratulate Abigor on quitting if you're going to be all hit + run negative.
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$70 in 1920s is about $1,161.41 now, for the record.
I love your videos - you're one of my favourite youtubers and so fascinating. I have a tiny request, is there any chance you could mute-out rather than bleep-out swear words? I have sensory processing issues and hilarious as it is for everyone else to watch, I clear jumped out of my seat with the beep! :D
liked + replied to boost visibility so Cadaber sees OP
@Cheron88 I'm wondering if you have the Halloween E-book from Verba school (formerly ru Land club) on TH-cam? The Halloween reader. Any chance that I can get a copy if you still have it? Verba school no longer sells it
@Cheron88 You made a comment on Verba's post when the book was announced on TH-cam, so it sounded like you purchased it
Can we all acknowledge how unbelievably intelligent Arthur was to even think of and then attempt and being at least somewhat successful. Poor boy.
YES!!! NEW CADABER!!
::Preps vein::
What is the music that's is playing at 21:35?
I almost drove off the road when that censor beep sounded
@antonioi659 any chance you have the Halloween E-book from Verba school (formerly ru land club)? The Halloween reader. Any chance that I can get a copy if you still have it? Verba school no longer sells it
you left a comment on one of the posts when the book was announced, so it sounded like you purchased it
*AMAZING VIDEO*
Thank you.
Time to sleep listening to this. Thank you.
The movie changling about these events is really good and accurate to the real life events.
And people say that Clint Eastwood never directed a horror movie.
It is a horror movie.....for parents.
Some parents just don't have that loving motherly instinct and or motherly love but those facts completely shock me on the daily though dear!! 🤟🤟
If anyone is interested, Captain Joseph Jesse "J. J." Jones, who died on June 7, 1951, in Los Angeles, has a Memorial on the website Find A Grave.
Wow, the movie not only changed a lot of things. But flat out made stuff up.
Stupid question what is the name of the intro? I know this song but can't think of it ahhhh???
I love your channel. This does need to be said though, you used the word recount several times when the word you wanted to use was recant. They have different meanings. Your channel has such original and interesting content. I look forward to seeing more.