Dice Setting Works! Video Evidence from Casino
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Thanks, I hope to try Ellis this week! I'm more interested in the setting before the toss because I agree with you about after the wall 🎲🎲
Thanks Jeremy, cool tracker. I saw on Dicesetter that he was using the "all seven" 1/2, 6/5 set that day. Maybe he doesn't want the dice to land perfectly, just a little "off", so it doesn't end up being 7 with that set.
Jeremy, this was an OUTSTANDING VIDEO!!!!!!!!!!
You did an EXCELLENT job of analyzing and commentating on this!!!
I have been TRYING to tell you to TRY dice-setting with a controlled arm motion of tossing the dice when you actually DO play in the REAL world to see how it goes for you, and you MIGHT be surprised at YOUR results!
I would say start by picking ANY Hardway's combination as your set - example: 1+1, 2+2, 3+3, 4+4, 5+5, or 6+6 - and then toss them and aim for the SAME spot every time IF you can for only ONE bounce before it hits the alligator wall, and that's it, but try it for at LEAST the next 5 times you play in the REAL world, because your random tosses have NOT been working for you, and I have been watching your throws in the REAL world!!!
I have seen MANY times in the REAL world how a dice-setter with a controlled way of tossing the dice compares to a RANDOM roller and the dice-setter ALWAYS winds up making MORE points and throwing LESS sevens than the random shooter, after watching those shooters throw NUMEROUS times on the SAME table!!!
I am HOPING that this opens up your mind a little bit to at LEAST giving dice-setting a TRY for at LEAST 5 times to see how you do! You MIGHT actually SURPRISE YOURSELF!!!
An experienced dice setter will land the dice past the pass line at the opposite end of the table. They will hit the back wall and die... This shooter is landing prior to the pass line making his roll more random as the dice have a greater distance to travel to the back wall...
Dice influence (I don't like to call it "dice setting" or "dice controlling" because those terms imply a level of control that you do not have) is difficult precisely because there is still a random element, no matter how good you are. All you are trying to do is avoid Big Red at a rate which erases the house edge, but even if you can do that you're still going to have some point-seven-outs from time to time. They won't all be monster rolls, you're just looking for an average shot length of like 10-12 rolls, instead of the 8.5 that the completely random shooter would have.
Exactly right!
The term "dice setting" only refers to the way you position the dice before throwing them. For the most part dice setters do not say they can control or call a shot. Influence on the other hand is something different
I’m understand people call it different things. If you can have influence, and be able to overcome the odds of the game, you would be able to become a professional craps player and make a mint. Who is averaging 12 rolls?
@@ColorUpNOBODY, & I AM a Controlled Shooter. Half of these So/Called Dice Influencers are TOTALLY delusional.
Only One bounce before the backwall, or having the dice to skip, hop, & Trickle to the backwall like my Toss Technique & it’s STILL a HORRIFICALLY violent affair AS SOON as the dice make initial table contact.
Successful Dice Influencing and/or long rolls whether intentional or unintentional is because of the CORRECT amount of ENERGY that’s applied to the Toss.
A Winger, Flinger that tosses the dice out of his Ass & goes on a 40-50 roll hand & everyone says: “ Aw… he/she simply got lucky!
Well, ya gotta do SOMETHING in order to get lucky, right? That person that got lucky & tossed that 40 /50 roll hand applied the correct amount of ENERGY to the tosses IN ORDER to GET lucky!
Viewing Slow Motion video of the most expert looking Tosses that people SWEAR ( in REAL TIME) are the most beautiful tosses that have ever witnessed are a complete TRAIN WRECK when viewed in Slow Motion.
There is no earthly or heavenly explanation ( besides the correct amount of energy being applied to successful Dice Tosses) that explains WHY the dice flip, flop, explode, implode, & go through MANY gyrations, yet, SOMEHOW end up being successful Tosses!
Dice Tosses are either Random or Chaotic. If the tosses are Chaotic, they exhibit a very subtle & complicated deterministic trait/patterns that are pretty much impossible for the human brain to decipher, yet …. It does exist!
Dice Influencing? Watch roughly a Thousand hours of the most expert looking in SLOW MOTION, then ya just MIGHT have a General understanding of what Dice Influencing TRULY entails ( the Highly Skilled Shooter’s advantage will be thinner than a slice of bacon) & what your REALLY up against when honing the Art of Dice Influencing!
Whew… I’m tired, & out of breath! 😝
Time for my Senior Citizens NAP! 😂
One issue I see with his throws. You want both dice to land right before the wall with just enough force to barely bounce against the back wall, and then fall and stop immediately. His throws are too hard and cause too much play in the dice when they come off the wall. Which is one reason they recommend you stand next to the dealer in the middle to throw. Shortest distance so you can throw softer. Also, a lot of people think dice setting is the ability that you can throw a certain number every throw. Dice setting with the proper throw is trying to get it to work once in every few throws. If you can get one out of 5 - 10 throws to work, you reduced the advantage the house has by a tiny bit. If you set up the hard way dice set, with the one and six on the outside ends, all the numbers in the middle of the dice rotate properly never equal seven. Those dice have to stay together, rotate the same speed, land softly square and barely bounce against the back wall, and then stop dead again square. Does it work? I don't know, but I just got off a cruise where one girl seemed to always last longer shooting than anyone else every night for the week. She had a good form, always set it on hard way set, and dice landed soft with little bounce. I made money off her shooting and walked away from the week three hundred more than I came with. At one point though I was a thousand three hundred ahead, and the casino whittled me down a thousand over the last few days. But walking away after a week 300 ahead is still a win for the amount of time and enjoyment I got.
According to him, he will claim he throws this way intentionally because it has shown the best results..."Don't fix it if it isn't broken..." All that matters is results; No matter how they are achieved. Maybe he "beleives, so it comes true"...?
Aloha Craps Community!
The casinos have the best “scientific data” on this controversial craps subject.
A good question we should be pondering, no matter what side of the fence you currently are on is: “Why are casinos investing money into making their tables more bouncy with different types of underlayments? Also, if you pay attention to the electronic craps table scene. Here in Las Vegas the casinos just recently upgraded all the electronic craps tables with a lot more aggressive speed bumps on the table surface and a spongy bouncy material on the bottom area of the diamond back walls. Are the casinos doing this to help extend all of our rolls which in turn will increase our profits for those betting on the Lightside?
I switched to Vegas' E Tables because the system is faster, beats handling chips, persnickety dealers, is more comfortable relaxing in the slot machine chairs provided, and the bouncy table surface becomes manageable after a while.
I prefer the E tables as well. I’ve been able to adjust my shot on them and like the ability to be creative with placing my own bets. The getting paid properly on each bet is nice as well.
I'd like to see how he sets the dice, holds the dice, tosses the dice because here it's just the landing. Ideally you want a soft and slow throw and land within 1-2 inches from the wall. This throw is too hard and his dice go everywhere. It's really not tight. Rhe purpose is that the dice will be like a gymnast landing their flips, stick it don't bounce and roll around
Check out his channel for video of his grip and toss.
I think you’d be surprised when watched back on video and slowed down, that most people’s dice will bounce and roll all around.
I have a certain dice set for the come out and I do roll more 7's. And when the point is on, I change the set and if i'm havin g a big roll I pound the 6 & 8's
Lol dice settting can get you more predictable or consistent numbers, but..."dice setting" takes practice. Same amount of energy, same spot on the map, same angle of approach, dice rotating on same axis, and hitting same spot on wall. You do it enough you'll know what #'s you tend to throw alot of. All in all, it's a bit like probability of rolling 7. It resets every throw.
Unfortunately, there is no dice control here. The only purpose of dice control is to keep the dice from rolling by landing them 3 inches from the wall and keeping them controlled in the 3 inch roll back. There is zero control here so this is random rolling. He can accomplish the same thing by throwing them randomly. Even when dice control is perfect it does NOT prevent it being a 7. You cannot control dice making a 7 but the concept is the less the dice roll around the better chance it's less likely to be a 7. When I want 7s and 4s and 10s never would I dice set. Random rolling 100% throws way more 7s and 4s and 10s. When I use dice setting I can throw inside numbers and less 4s, 7s,10s. That's a fact because I'm able to repeat 3 inch little rolling. Not being mean but this video is showing a random roller and any lucky random roller could accomplish the same. When you see someone control dice you can see the difference
Completely agree
Thanks for showing. Love the dots for each throw.
If dice setting worked would he be rich and constantly playing than making youtube video
Exactly!!!👏👏👏I haven’t tried it yet but will be pretty soon…gonna find a $5-$10 table, buy in with $100 using green chips ($25.00)
Putting $50 on don’t come…before the come out roll,and $25 on the 4 and $25 on the 10.
@@vasquezalfredlet us know how long your bankroll last
Yeah it's like NBA players who practice shooting the basketball or golfers who use a small stick to hit a little round ball into a small hole totally lucky never still😂 I mean how could you take two square objects and influence the reaction because everybody else uses a ball😂
Not neccessarily...It's not an exact science. No matter how accurate you are, unless a robot, you will roll 7's. However, the length of rolls have improved signifigantly for players that constantly practice...In other words; You wont become "rich", but you can/will become successful...Casinos simply don't press the issue because more people are unsuccessful, than are successful...If it didn't work, Golden touch, and others wouldn't have been 86'd from certain establishments...
The thing about dice setting is you only need 1 extra roll to eliminate house edge 2 gives you an advantage so definitely worth trying.
However it is a learned skill takes a lot of practice
Luck? Influence? Doesn't matter to me, I love Craps for its entertainment value, and something that engages my brain a little keeping up with bets and payouts. If a "setter" is efficient in their set/throw and is not some uppity player always screaming at the people at the other end for hands/shadows/chip placement....then I am cheering them on! Ellis Island is really making itself a home in this era of YT and Craps play.
Agreed
Newish to craps, I just started throwing dice sets for 2 trips now. 2) rolls of 20+ and 2) point 7 outs and 1 in normal average roll range. There needs to be a study of at least 1000 rolls dice setting and 1000 rolls of random shooting to see if there is evidence to back either theory. A lady who never played before in her life rolled 300+ her very first time so I personally think its more random but I will still dice set because I feel confident in my bets and the shots when I do.
I have a practice table i built in my basement. One of the hardest things i HAD TO LEARN IS KEEPING FINGERS TOGETHER AS YOU RELEASE THE DICE FROM YOUR THROW. Muscle memory. I had a casino take the dice from me and would not let me throw anymore. They refused my play. Said I knew what I was doing.
I took a microwave cart and made it into my throwing station from my half table. Arm rest and throwing top has regulation dimensions. I then can move my throwing station to different locations as I use a laser pointer to line up my arm rest with the table. Works great. Now that I have a Casino 35 minutes away I am starting to practice again. had a 28 throw. I write down all my throws to analyze the different dice set results. I use a blue dice for the left dice and a red one for the right. I guess I take it a little far, but I enjoy it.
If I had a craps table I’d give it a go and practice, it’s got to more fun than not trying
I think it is fun, certainly doesn’t hurt to try
I had a full sized table for over a decade! I wanted to be the Nolan Ryan of Dice setting! I rolled thousands and thousands of times,,, I had some tremendous Rolls no doubt... Hit the world several times... But on the overall, I would say the house was still favored.... So most the time i go now,, i hit and run playing the dark side.. Seems to be the best way to make a buck!
I have started setting, 6x 2-3 back on come out. 5s up 1s back for point. It doesn't always work but I seem to get longer runs. Being consistant with the throw is the hard part. As far as pros go I was on a cruise recently where the a guy got cut off 1st night because he was up 10k! He came back the next 2 days starting with $1500 and walking away with $7500-$8500 each time. When he threw the dice always landed in the same spot! Cheers
It would have been nice, if you also filmed his set. Then you could see what he starts with vs what the final number....
You can check out his video. He shows his set and toss.
ya, I was curios about the dice set as well, and if he was using a different on the come out roll.
I think you’re both right it’s random for the most part as it hits the table and wall but dice control as you throw and try and hit the same spot and same rotation. That part is is setting i believe craps is the only game you hold the dice your throw either win or lose your own money your in control of it. So if you can use some dice control it helps a little there is no full proof way but you can control what you can. Thanks for the videos love the content you have helped me learn craps and I thank you so much
When I put my landing zone where the wall meets the table I had the best results. We were there the day after this was filmed and had a 40+ roll which is longest for me
Always great content Jeremy. Appreciate your honesty on your videos. Thanks for supporting our channel as well. Have a blessed week 🙌🏻
I would recommend shooting at higher fps to get true slow motion. Additionally it only takes 1 controlled throw in 43 to erase the -1.52 edge on a pass line bet. Lastly there are a whole host of other benefits to controlled shooting as well and even some quantum factors in you want to take it that far.
I’ve shot and posted videos with 240fps before. This time I just had my phone.
@@ColorUp thanks I would appreciate seeing that. As far as the perfect shot where everything behaves per the text book, in my experience those are few and far between. The majority of the time we all just hoping for just barely good enough.
In theory if you have the dice a certain way in your hand and you throw them the same way every time then you should get a similar result. The trick is to not hit the wall too hard all they have to do is make contact. I was throwing the dice low with not much behind it landing around the pass line trying to get them to hit the smooth spot of the wall. It worked until I neglected to make sure the dice were precisely in the same position. I believe it worked but it’s extremely difficult/next to impossible to do anything with that level of consistency.
I toss with a high arc and to land as close to the base of the wall as possible.
It works, I've had table supervisors admonish me.
I've also had the crew take a pass on their rotation to keep the flow going. Always, always bet for the crew!
I’ve seen pit admonish for throwing too high, and dice getting close to wall base. I’m sure you can control before wall…that’s why most make you hit the wall.
@@ColorUp yep. The dice are not allowed to go over stick's eye height. I've had a few times when they will lower the stick until it's out over the table at like 10:00.
I would say, dice control, not really. But, I do believe you have to think of it like any other repeatable motion. Think of bowling, horseshoes, darts, etc. And, the energy in the dice when you make a pass. If you can control your mechanics and the energy, I do believe you put yourself in a position that will allow you to have longer rolls a little more often. The randomness of the dice hitting the will have it's own effect, which can be a negative at times. Hence, the dreaded PSO
Exactly!!
In my view you should only adjust your set if you're throwing nearly perfect shots every time. Otherwise you're just putting variables on top of variables. So the real key to effectively adjusting your set is doing the actual practice hours so you throw well.
Those variables, known and unknown are already in place. Your awareness then attempt to control or at least influence one or more variables (how dice are positioned in hand, aiming point, wrist stiffness, swing method, swing power, release dice point, etc.) reduces the amount of residual intrinsic error (or what we is called randomness here).
He has the same problem I have when I try to control/influence the dice. After the dice hit the wall, I have too much energy and as a result the dice dance anywhere they want to. The closer you get to the wall without hitting it and the more vertical the dice are when they land the less energy is imparted on the bounce. I've got a whole lot of practice to do myself before I ever go to a casino and use it. He does hit it well a couple of times though.
If you can control the landing zone and the angle of attack then the randomness can also be limited. However that requires you to hit the exact same spot with the exact same angle of attack. i.e. probably not happening all the time.
If you are able to control how the dice are positioned when you throw and continue to finely control your hand like any pro sports person would it should further reduce the house edge. They are two factors out of many but certainly two factors, reducing the effect of randomness. It would be interesting to see a formal study on this with lots of rolls and lots of different people who attempt to do so roll.
It's all random no matter how someone tosses. But there's nothing wrong with practicing and setting the dice.More power to you. Just keep your chips out of the way and you'll see longer rolls no matter how dice is tossed.
Amen, more power to ya. I’m all in favor of those that try and throw longer.
Personally I totally believe in dice setting because normally the longer rolls I have seen are done by people who practice it. I myself practice dice setting and have compared my rolls to others at the table and my rolls are consistently longer than random shooters. I also believe the real goal is not only to eliminate the 7 but also to just get the dice to settle as quickly as possible.
Thanks for the great video! I really appreciate the time and effort you put in!
I keep hearing David from CQ "set up for the long roll".
There are few dice controllers who can call numbers but, I have seen two. One, in Las Vegas, in the late 1990s and the guy threw a one-hundred dollar chip out and said to hop the hard 10, then rolled a hard ten. This guy also had a MONSTER roll of at least an hour.
The second was at the Mardis Gras casino in Tunica, in the early 2000s. A guy would throw a $100 chip out and say "Box Cars!" then roll a twelve. Then he would roll for a while and do it again or call and roll an eleven or a two or whatever he hopped. It was incredible. That guy also had a monster roll.
Jeremy - Thank you for making this video. The slow motion with the landing spots and final resting points is facinating. I'd love to see you do this with other dice setters so we can compare landing zones, arc of throw and the tumble of the dice after hitting the table. Perhaps even slower motion so we can see the numbers of the dice as they hit the table? You are the man.
Would love to. I’m not sure most would be willing for me to show this on their throws. 🫣 @dicesetters is a nice guy, and a good sport.
Great job Jeremy. Keep an open mind,I definitely think DI works. Do they roll great every time ? No, but most of the time way better than a random roller. Alex sounds like a hoot, I watch him also on his channel. I will check out dice setter’s channel.
The airborne Dice looked to be rotating on axis but after they hit, random havoc took charge.
I set in Washington. I only try to lower the house edge by .5 % or better. After a lot of practice and different grips, I find I can roll certain #'s more than the others. Throwing with the same motion, velocity, angle, and landing zone is hard to do though. I also try not to spin the dice. A lot of practice to see how the dice react with my style.
So nice to see smart player not betting the pass line with dice on other side of table
Not sure if you’ve done a video on it already but do you know how dealers position bets? I get confused sometimes when the table is full and sometimes I forget where my come bets go… how do they position it so that they can keep track of who bet?
Dice all over the place , lucky roll
My favorite spot is 1 left of stick, which shortens the length of the throw. In my mind the less force you have to use to throw the dice, the more influence you can put on them. I shoot from L1 to the far right corner and the goal is to have them lightly hit the wall with as minimal force as possible. But I still only have one good roll for about every 4th bad one.
I will say this. I think 50% of the outcome depends on the table. I have been at tables that would usually be busy on a Friday or Saturday night. And virtually the only players staying at the table were darksiders. I have a hard time believing that the dice were casino manipulated. But on one side of the table, dice keep rolling. On the other side, the dice stop almost immediately. The dealers always tell you to hit the wall with both dice. But there are spots on the table where the dice stop rolling even though you used strong force. I have caught pit bosses saying that they have secret table obstacles, with a smile. I am not joking about this. Under these circumstances, you might as well throw it randomly
I watched this roll live on the casino quest channel. It was a ton of fun to watch! Felt like I was there winning with Alex.
I’d like to see the landing zone rolls that landed on 7 compared to the other rolls.
Great video! In my opinion dice setting, dice influencing, is more about confidence and comfort. There is something to be said about that. Money Shot over at Hawaii Crap Shooters has documented his journey practicing his dice control and he has tons of hats and jackets from Freemont because of his consistent monster rolls. Of course, there is a lot of luck involved as well lol
I like the idea that it’s about comfort and confidence…that’s something I can get behind.
Wow Jeremy with a dice setting video! Sweet!
Interesting experiment would be for you to practice 50 or more throws a night with a set and see if you noticed any difference. Maybe for a month. If you wanted to put that much time into it. Would be interesting from your skeptical point of view to see what happens.
I played for a few hours on Sunday. The funny thing was the player that focused on dice setting was the only one who got a marker instead of buying in with cash.
I remember when I had a 46 roll no 7's until 46th then that was coming out then I 7'd out at 61 best roll of my life.
Very interesting video Jeremy. Great job.
Love your videos and strategies Jeremy
Most of the sevens I roll is when they fall short of the wall. I don't know why
Great video! thanks Jeremy!
Table looks super bouncey.
It’s not
YES!!!
This IS a SUPER-bouncy table, as I myself have played there several times!!!
GREAT that you noticed this!
@@ColorUp It IS!
I have played there several times and compared to many OTHER places I have played at, it is actually the BOUNCIEST of ALL the places I have played at!!!
And I ALWAYS pay attention to how bouncy a table is!
Yep, I was there last night but layout was like an orange color... this must be a a different table. But it was super bouncy and no good rolls.
Personally I didn't see the hype of Ellis Island
I was saying the same thing… 😂😂😂
Interesting dude.
For the record, I do shoot at Ellis Island often. The tables are on the bouncier side of the spectrum at Ellis. Those who shoot enough dice know that just by watching the reaction of the dice after contact on the table in the video.
I am new to craps. what does the chip placement mean from the dealers. Does this mean anything or is it a way to help them remember which bet is for which person. Thanks in advance.
Certain position for certain players th-cam.com/video/zDzqAkwPVU4/w-d-xo.htmlsi=71UEYeGxe4jNrq_-
“I’m trying to work out some things in my head. Shooting dice gives me something to do.”
Jake was surprised. It was as though one brick in the wall had come off. Dare he try to bring more transparency to the wall? No, that wouldn’t be fair. “I was quite confident you were going to throw another Hard 8,” he said, steering the conversation completely away from the personal.
“I was too. We were both wrong. It’s the same in life. We count on some things, but they don’t always work out that way. In fact, most of the time, the wrong numbers show up.”
-- from "Journey to a Second Spring"
Definitely don't think there is anything to it. Back wall prevents any kind of control i'd say. I've probably watched just as many brand new dice rollers roll long streaks as people who take their time and clearly have practiced setting. Now I know some setters will just say it give you a slight advantage, but thats pretty hard to prove i'd say, so might as well just have fun with it instead of trying to hard to get something that may not exist.
Great videos as always!
I think is depends how bouncing is the table. That table is a little bit bouncing
Who's the guy you're talking to? He sounds familiar.....
Jacob’s life Vegas
@@ColorUp funny, he sounds like someone I know
It would be extermely easy for a dice setter to prove it works by simply throwing 1,000 rolls on a regulation craps table/ pit whatever it's called. In 1,000 rolls, 160 of them should be 7s. If dice setting works, they'd be able to roll way below that number.
those dice are bouncing way to much for any kind of control........not a believer
as a dice dealer and craps player, no dice setting does NOT work lmao
Thank you for a good video. If you ever make it back to Ellis, let me know. We will have to do this again.
Would love to! Thanks for allowing me to share and dissect. I hope it brings some traffic to your channel.
41 rolls admittedly is a small sampling size however 29 inside numbers is almost 71% whereas totally random should be 50%
He definitely had a great throw, especially with those inside numbers
Also you should examine probability.
Although I we have all witnessed 41 rolls before, he had a sequence of 6 inside numbers in a row, occurring once every 64 rolls and a notable 11 in a row only occurring on average once every 2000 tosses
I roll 7's all the time. Usually, within 1-4 rolls, never the average 8.5. I tried setting dice and the rolls did get longer. Even got tall from ATS. But still getting roll out 7 and pso but the rest are Usually longer than 4 rolls. Never average 8-9 rolls even with dice setting.
Dice setting is real if you believe. Who needs chips. I believe in coolers. I have even seen them or my rolls have. Vegas is the land of ohs and odds. As Alex CQ says, you must believe. Thanks for the vid.
Real if you believe. I like that ha
I'm sure Ellis island appreciates everyone of you who who only collected red chips during that monster of a roll!!! 🤷
This actually works shaking the dice is no good but there is that possibility of losing
Interesting perspective. 🤔
Where I live in Argentina they do not let you set the dice, They hand them to you and you can place them on the felt for better grip but arent allowed to look down a lot or move the dice around or you get a warning and expelled from the table if they really notice, they rather have the you throw the dice how they hand them to you w/o placing them down on the felt. dissapoints, and also makes you think....
Good stuff Jeremy.
For true scientific study, one has to mark the number position layout of the dice prior to throw, measure various wind resistance while in the air and the effects on landing. compared to a similar starting setup with a random roller (like me) who just chucks them down the table and enjoys the atmosphere. Pending some space alien who can predict the numbers thrown or is able to "dice set" over a long period (>12 hours) and clean out the house by hitting a sequence of numbers to their advantage.
1) if dice setting "worked", casinos would find a way to ban it or remove the advantage. 2) dice settings may reduce some of the house edge, thus allowing the player to win more over a shorter period (hit and run method, i call it). It is no different to Greg Uloh (sorry spelling) and his massive feeder system that hits big based on a small bankroll and limited play time.
Yes, this is nowhere even close to scientific, was just for fun
I'll just th,row out there that in Windover nugget they wouldn't let me set dice, after I tipped and placed bets for the crew they finally started giving me 3v sets on the dice. Walked with 1800.00 was down 480 before they started giving me my set.
Time for a new video with King Dice
What number was he setting his dice on?
I always make the argument that if dice setting had even the slightest chance of working casinos would ban it like card counting.
Oh yeah the person betting the pass line kinda where he is shooting is driving me crazy lol.
what was his dice set?
Without knowing what setup he's using it's impossible to analyze in this way. The big question with dice setting isn't that the dice tumble and spin, but rather if they remain on the intended axis. You can figure this out if you have a high frame rate camera where you can slow it down and actually see the axis they are spinning on.
I personally don't think dice setting is the panacea the disciples think it is, but I don't think it's entirely INEFFECTIVE either. You have to be absolutely precise, which is impossible for a human to do.
At the end of the day, you’re still gambling. There’s always going to be randomness and luck involved. Sometimes it’s hot. Sometimes it’s cold. You just gotta hope it gets hot when you’re on the table.
This is really dope I think you should have clipped some of the time in between rolls tho
It's a reserved table, no other elements involved help that 42 rolls. Idiots throwing money in the middle of the roll or stacking 5 dollar chip sky high where the dice lands. Great shooting technic regardless.
Lots of box (especially inside) numbers. Would be really interesting if someone who swears by this were to video a couple hundred rolls of controlled shooting vs random toss, aiming for the same landing zone and use the slowmo video to count the revolutions off the wall (one each axis) and compare some hard data over a decent sample size. Obviously would be very tedious, but would give a real good idea whether there is a true edge there.
Here’s my take. If this was actually possible, couldn’t it be tested by using a robot arm and simulate the exact same throwing motion, velocity, height, etc? It’s all physics and there are too many variables that even if there is a faction of variation the results will be different.
There have been robot arm tests…they couldn’t consistently beat random either
@@ColorUp There is just too many variables even with a robot arm. Changes in air pressure, any variations of air movement, slight vibrations in the table, even the position of chips placed. It’s all too random.
@@ColorUp interesting
In the book: "A Scientific Study of Dice Control - Rolling Thunder", a unique mechanical arm was used to launch the popular 3V set using different dice grips compared with random hand rolling, with results supporting the hypothesis that influencing dice behavior is possible.
I will need to get this book. Several reviews say it’s full of stories…but for data, he uses 400 rolls in the tests…if true that would not be nearly enough for real scientific research.
41 / 7 (the mythical number!) = 5.8xxx call it "6". therefore the average win vs 7 was 6 rolls. same as any other standard craps game where you get some PSO and some longer rolls. Interesting video, excellent location of the dice marking, No real evidence that "dice setting" is the secret to breaking the bank.
To "PROVE" would take thousands of times..
Then again, to get to a point you might prove it would take tens of thousands of times in practice.
Yeah, I’d say 10,000 plus times to qualify as scientific data?
He thought about the craps game last night at Drake’s Diamond Casino where he had won $800 with a shooter who threw the dice in a most erratic and capricious manner. She was a craps heretic, that was for sure. There he was setting up the dice in a three-three arrow formation and carefully launching them to the other side in a gentle arc, and here was this woman flinging the dice, showing them no respect whatsoever. And boy, did she win...never threw a seven in nearly 50 minutes of play, except two times on the come out roll. He had invited her to have a drink with him afterwards, but she had demurred. He wondered if she would be coming back to the casino that night.
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He hoped the heretic shooter would be there this evening. By flinging the dice without preparation or contemplation, she had turned the game into one of pure chance. To let go and let the stars speak their stories-was that useful philosophy, he wondered.
From “Journey to a Second Spring”
I hope you respond to this Dom the guy on Golden touch has done this he's banned so if it didn't work why is he banned so people don't want to be banned
Dom stated in a podcast interview he has been removed from casinos for card counting, not dice throwing.
If dice setting were possible you could build a robot that would throw dice exactly the same way and get the same roll each time. In reality you only need to reduce the probability of rolling a7 a tiny bit to give the player an edge. It would become immediately obvious that dice setting worked. Nice video but not evidence of anything except a nice roll.
Regarding not throwing 7s in 20+ rolls that's really the only way you can hit the all so it does happen just not when I'm playing 😂
I truly understand that if you say Dice influence/ control whatever exists, your channel will probably suffer because you promote strategy => in other words everything is random. Your analysis however based on landing zone and where the dice settle is rather elementary. You do not mention set used and result made. And you fail to mention that this table is a bouncy castle. Difficult to get dice to behave.
I really don’t like being negative on anyone’s channel as we are all together in craps.
My channel wouldn’t suffer as I think most players would love for me to promote dice influence. I would love to believe players can gain an edge as well. I show strategies because people like to know different forms of money management which is essentially all a strategy is. Now if you could extend your rolls beyond random and bet accordingly that would be great. I know you’ve spent years practicing. What is your average roll now? How far are you beyond 8.53xxx rolls? I’m not trying to be a jerk with this question, but I really want to know, for those that have an actual edge over casino, why isn’t this edge hammered? Bet table max and stay in casino until asked to leave then go to another casino. If you have an edge, like some poker and BlackJack players…that’s just what you do?
I appreciate what you do, and know you are very respected in the dice community because of your transparency. It’s not some mythical thrower from a book, you show it live daily, so kudos to you. 🎲👍🏻
@@ColorUp Jeremy I appreciate the kind comments but I did not comment to draw attention to myself. I did an exercise over a year in 2022. Threw 56,000 rolls and managed to beat SRR by 5.6% and managed to beat BSR by 6% only. The SOR was quite respectable as well over the 8.5 mark. But it’s not at 10% or more that people expect. I do not preach Dice influence but rather dice expertise. A combination of consistent technique and dice set choice in real time. As far as betting goes I use 2 hits n down. I don’t care much about it. I am just a purist in the skill.
@@GeorgeFromCy 50k+ data is awesome. So even with all your dedication to skill you might be doing 5-6% better? would you say then, although could be incrementally better than random, not enough to bet large and become a professional? Or maybe for others, it is possible?
@@ColorUp t-distribution is at 5%. I beat it slightly but still beat it. Jeremy , I never thought of becoming a pro gambler. I have thought of becoming an experienced shooter though and I think I am there.
also, a monster roll, will have 7's in it, it just needs to happen between points.
There is a mathematical equation for the arc the dice describe in the air, I’m sure, but one has to take into account the idiosyncrasy of the shooter. Was there any real advantage to setting up the dice and throwing them in a neat way? He would like to think so, but how much more fun it was watching Holly shoot. And to be fair, she had done much better than him on all the days.
On the one hand, you have a man who studies the currents and the seasonal flow of water, and on the other, you have this woman who steps into the stream without forethought or calculation.
-- from "Journey to a Second Spring"
This guy has thrown long rolls on a consistent basis, he’s had 3 long rolls in a 4 day period , so I’d put money on his throw rather than mine or yours
Exactly!!! Could just be a "hot streak"; Whatever the case, not the time to be idle at the table...At the end of the roll (for whatever the reason), his rack was full, while others were empty...Call it whatever, some people are just luckier than others. Best to take full advantage when given the opportunity...
Yes, push the 7 out a little further, that is the goal
This was a fantastic video. I agree with everything you are saying but somehow he gets a 41 roll. it makes me very confused.
Longest throw recorded was a grandma who threw random. 🤷♂️
He had a lot of 7s and hit the chips many times, very lucky
Every person I’ve ever seen that was really into dice setting is kidding themselves. They throw the dice the same way as every other person random af and a lot of 7’s. No professional gamblers ever win in the long term. House always wins. It’s why casinos couldn’t care less cause they know. Do they get burned sometimes sure but not in the long run cause we always throw a 7 eventually.