Part of why I enjoy it is because these classic aircraft still feel like machines. They are not hiding behind computers and plastic facades, just plain old flying machines.
I had 85 hours in a dash one 7:08 with a 165 Franklin before I bought my dash three Stinson it was OK down low but as soon as you go into Idaho in the backcountry it was a dog even after putting VG's on it it really didn't help much. You're Ground adjustable prop has as much to do with your airplanes performance as the engine which I think is a great combination. Years ago when I looked at the Lycoming upgrade I was not impressed installation materials that they were using at the time. I would love to get a good look at yours. I think you made a good airplane great and it is a super Stinson now !
First off the Cooper STC has great installation materials, high quality stuff. You're correct the Franklin started to falter quickly with altitude. Still breaking it in I've only had this above 3000' once and I was really impressed with the ROT to 7,500' I'll talk about this a bit more in another video, in the end I was still holding a 700fpm. The Franklin would have been down to 300-400fpm at this altitude. I bet I'd keep 500fpm+ up to 10K. Thanks for watching the video and keep the dirty side down.
Glad to see the Stinson back in the air! I have a 470 in my " Super Stinson" and it is thirsty! If I was doing one I'd probably go with the lycoming. On floats it's nice to pull up to a marina and buy fuel. If I was on wheels still I'd say come test them back to back. I don't live far from you. But it will now be a float plane for the foreseeable future.
I think on water the extra HP would be advantageous. That is the one role I see the O-470 being the better choice. If you want to come for a ride and see how the 360 works let me know.
That’s a slick set up. Perfect match for what you do. I’m sure on floats it would be great as well. I have a 470 metalised 108-3. With floats but it’s on 850 wheels. Anyway was thinking of the AV-30. Did you get an adapter plate made or can you buy it?
The 470 would be a great choice for a float plane. I didn't need an adapter plate, if fit right in the hole, That was one of the attractive features of the AV-30. Thanks for watching!
What a fantastic little plane! Id say it definately qualifies as a super stinson!!! Are these all new upgrade/mods you added recently? I know its been awhile since Ive had your video pop up in my feed. Would be cool if there were video of your plane being upgraded but man Id love to have a little back country plane like that to fly over to Prineville OR in and visit family! My flying days are done but thanks for sharing yours!!!
I'm glad the video helps you relive the days of flying. There is a video made during the upgrade, there wasn't a whole bunch up video because we did the upgrade quickly and that didn't leave a whole bunch of time to film.
@@GreatMichiganBushCo No worries It's great you got your plane all spruced up! It's awesome! I'd be very proud of that plane! Thanks for sharing it with us!
Mine has an Continental IO-360. 210Hp is plenty of fun an will still cruise 7.8 GPH. Engine is a minimal weight increase with the fixed pitch prop. Similar climb rate. I know mine is a "super" at this point! 🙂These are fantastic airplanes with an alternate powerplant.
whats the weight difference between ly 0360 and the con IO-360 and would you stick with the IO-360 or do you wish you had the ly 0-360? my gut says more HP lol
The difference in weight is 30 pounds. Now that being said weight on the nose is problematic due to CG shift. It would be interesting to see the difference side by side or to fly both on the same day.
From what I read . The agreements for both are competitive. See if you can link up with the comment or with the IO-360 and do a comparison vid that would be rad
@@GreatMichiganBushCo i think there are positives and negatives to both engines. A negative is the added expense of maintaining 6 cylinders, the flip side is the 6 is smooth and to me,sounds awesome. The original stc was for a CS prop which does add more weight but also achieved a 2000 ft / min climb. The macauly prop used on mine is the same combination used in the Cessna mescalero back in the late 60’s. It seems well matched and has a great climb rate. I cruise around 2250/2300 rpm. The fuel consumption gives me enough endurance. I do like the injected fuel system. I also have the madras droop tips fitted. I have never flown without them so i can comment on their effectiveness.
Thanks. I think it's cool too. Stay tuned for GMBCo. adventures that will include this airplane in the future. If you have any fun places to visit let us know.
Absolutely over time the instrument continues to improve and problems that early instruments had have been solved, now they even have magnetic flux sensors for the AV30. It's a great instrument and both are some of the best values for avionics on the market.
@GreatMichiganBushCo 😆 what's not to like ! 👍 I am a big fan of Blue...she is a beautiful plane....a classic! The prop is cool...its a bit "resto-mod" (if your into cars), and I love the modern tweaks youve done to her....However the prop hob is incongruous looking and spoils Blue suede shooes classic good looks ! You know I am right Scooter...if you do a Poll I am sure everyone of your fans would agree... But I love your basic plan for the aeroplane se really is a Super Stinson with a Super Pilot 👌 👍
I think the most pressing question most want to know is... how much? 😀 Having flown both a 108-2 w/ 165 Franklin and 108-3 w/ 0-470 this week... the big bore engine just bludgeons the air and the climb angle at 80 MPH is almost scary!
I'm not sure how much. I have put these pieces together over two and half years and didn't keep records, probably because I don't want to know. I'd sure like to hear more about the -3 with the O-470. The Lycoming O-360 with the propeller pitched for climb is also scary climb angle it points towards the sky and levitates. I think the Franklin is a smooth running, great sounding engine and probably good for the time, but today it's not the best choice for this airframe.
Your enthusiasm is infectious! I'd be incredibly proud as well - fly safe and I look forward to seeing your future adventures in your Super Stinson!
I really appreciate people watching these videos. Blue skys
You can tell you love that machine!
Part of why I enjoy it is because these classic aircraft still feel like machines. They are not hiding behind computers and plastic facades, just plain old flying machines.
Your New moniker: Super Scooter.....just LOVE that plane....
I like it! Though our call signs are like the military... Never cool always remind you of something you don't want to remember
Great video
Thanks! I appreciate you watching and stopping to make a comment. Blue Skys!
I had 85 hours in a dash one 7:08 with a 165 Franklin before I bought my dash three Stinson it was OK down low but as soon as you go into Idaho in the backcountry it was a dog even after putting VG's on it it really didn't help much.
You're Ground adjustable prop has as much to do with your airplanes performance as the engine which I think is a great combination. Years ago when I looked at the Lycoming upgrade I was not impressed installation materials that they were using at the time. I would love to get a good look at yours.
I think you made a good airplane great and it is a super Stinson now !
First off the Cooper STC has great installation materials, high quality stuff. You're correct the Franklin started to falter quickly with altitude. Still breaking it in I've only had this above 3000' once and I was really impressed with the ROT to 7,500' I'll talk about this a bit more in another video, in the end I was still holding a 700fpm. The Franklin would have been down to 300-400fpm at this altitude. I bet I'd keep 500fpm+ up to 10K. Thanks for watching the video and keep the dirty side down.
Glad to see the Stinson back in the air!
I have a 470 in my " Super Stinson" and it is thirsty! If I was doing one I'd probably go with the lycoming. On floats it's nice to pull up to a marina and buy fuel. If I was on wheels still I'd say come test them back to back. I don't live far from you. But it will now be a float plane for the foreseeable future.
I think on water the extra HP would be advantageous. That is the one role I see the O-470 being the better choice. If you want to come for a ride and see how the 360 works let me know.
That’s a slick set up. Perfect match for what you do. I’m sure on floats it would be great as well. I have a 470 metalised 108-3. With floats but it’s on 850 wheels. Anyway was thinking of the AV-30. Did you get an adapter plate made or can you buy it?
The 470 would be a great choice for a float plane. I didn't need an adapter plate, if fit right in the hole, That was one of the attractive features of the AV-30. Thanks for watching!
What a fantastic little plane! Id say it definately qualifies as a super stinson!!!
Are these all new upgrade/mods you added recently? I know its been awhile since Ive had your video pop up in my feed.
Would be cool if there were video of your plane being upgraded but man Id love to have a little back country plane like that to fly over to Prineville OR in and visit family! My flying days are done but thanks for sharing yours!!!
I'm glad the video helps you relive the days of flying. There is a video made during the upgrade, there wasn't a whole bunch up video because we did the upgrade quickly and that didn't leave a whole bunch of time to film.
@@GreatMichiganBushCo No worries It's great you got your plane all spruced up! It's awesome! I'd be very proud of that plane! Thanks for sharing it with us!
Mine has an Continental IO-360. 210Hp is plenty of fun an will still cruise 7.8 GPH. Engine is a minimal weight increase with the fixed pitch prop. Similar climb rate. I know mine is a "super" at this point! 🙂These are fantastic airplanes with an alternate powerplant.
whats the weight difference between ly 0360 and the con IO-360 and would you stick with the IO-360 or do you wish you had the ly 0-360? my gut says more HP lol
I liked the loss of weight with the O-360, but the #35 might be worth 30 horsepower. Lucky for me IO-360 wasn't an option for the -2/
The difference in weight is 30 pounds. Now that being said weight on the nose is problematic due to CG shift. It would be interesting to see the difference side by side or to fly both on the same day.
From what I read . The agreements for both are competitive. See if you can link up with the comment or with the IO-360 and do a comparison vid that would be rad
@@GreatMichiganBushCo i think there are positives and negatives to both engines. A negative is the added expense of maintaining 6 cylinders, the flip side is the 6 is smooth and to me,sounds awesome. The original stc was for a CS prop which does add more weight but also achieved a 2000 ft / min climb. The macauly prop used on mine is the same combination used in the Cessna mescalero back in the late 60’s. It seems well matched and has a great climb rate. I cruise around 2250/2300 rpm. The fuel consumption gives me enough endurance. I do like the injected fuel system. I also have the madras droop tips fitted. I have never flown without them so i can comment on their effectiveness.
Love the videos, how often do you come to Louisiana I am in the New Iberia area with a 108
Not that often, but do you have some good places to fly or a good place to meet and fly. We are always looking for more fun!
If you are ever back at Johnson Field, I have a colt there, look me up.
Is that N4909Z? If so I'd really like to see... If not I still would like to see it. I'll have this back up there, hopefully sooner than later.
@@GreatMichiganBushCo I have 43Z. 09 moved further north but is still flying
@@hundy220 Well I'd sure like to fly the patch in a Colt again.
Not flying the mighty CRJ anymore?
I fly the Super Stinson 108!
Awesome job man! Which STC did you end up with? Univair or Cooper?
I went with the Cooper STC it went very well. I was happy with the paperwork and how it all went together.
That's a pretty cool airplane!
Thanks. I think it's cool too. Stay tuned for GMBCo. adventures that will include this airplane in the future. If you have any fun places to visit let us know.
Maybe safer too? The Lycoming 0360 is known as bullet proof.
That was a consideration when I chose the A4M solid crank. Installing a reliable engine was a priority.
Do you still like/suggest the AV30 and AV20?
Absolutely over time the instrument continues to improve and problems that early instruments had have been solved, now they even have magnetic flux sensors for the AV30. It's a great instrument and both are some of the best values for avionics on the market.
1700 ft per minute ! ♥️ I love your plane... I want one just like it ! With that in mind, have you ordered that Spinner yet ??? 🤔😉
I'm not sure it's going to get a spinner. Maybe, maybe not. I get a sense. You really like spinners? 🤣
@GreatMichiganBushCo 😆 what's not to like ! 👍 I am a big fan of Blue...she is a beautiful plane....a classic! The prop is cool...its a bit "resto-mod" (if your into cars), and I love the modern tweaks youve done to her....However the prop hob is incongruous looking and spoils Blue suede shooes classic good looks ! You know I am right Scooter...if you do a Poll I am sure everyone of your fans would agree... But I love your basic plan for the aeroplane se really is a Super Stinson with a Super Pilot 👌 👍
You're selling it 😂
@GreatMichiganBushCo Yeah baby cakes you know I am right 😆😅🤣 get that spinner ASAP!
Hey his prop looks pretty sweet compared to mine! O-435 / Hartzell HC12x20 without a spinner.
Inspiring
Glad you liked the video. Are you upgrading a plane or hoping to?
I think the most pressing question most want to know is... how much? 😀
Having flown both a 108-2 w/ 165 Franklin and 108-3 w/ 0-470 this week... the big bore engine just bludgeons the air and the climb angle at 80 MPH is almost scary!
I'm not sure how much. I have put these pieces together over two and half years and didn't keep records, probably because I don't want to know. I'd sure like to hear more about the -3 with the O-470. The Lycoming O-360 with the propeller pitched for climb is also scary climb angle it points towards the sky and levitates. I think the Franklin is a smooth running, great sounding engine and probably good for the time, but today it's not the best choice for this airframe.
Scooter, you had me until "faster". You know you can't make a Stinson fast! 😉
Great explanation though!
I did note that "faster" was 105kts, that's up 3 or 4 from before. My hair is not on fire but when flying at 100 anything helps 😅
@@GreatMichiganBushCo In the words of my dad, "They call it the 108 because no matter what you do to it, it'll never go faster than 108." 😆
In trying to get to 108 😂
You know, there's no replacement for displacement...
That's the saying and it's catchy. Yet, I'm not sure it's always true.
try fuel burn........Every thing is a compromise..
.... Being a super swell guy of course!!!
No one in the Heart Michigan Bush Co is a super swell guy... You must be thinking of someone else. 😃
You did good .
Thank you. Stay tuned for future improvements and GMBCo. adventures