Unlimited buff range with your own damage buffing as well. No other buffer has their own damage scaling to around 200k+ per rotation Here’s my furina’s damage at 41k HP with 61/270crit Minion 1 - 20k per hit Minion 2 - 28k per hit Minion 3 - 35k per hit Vaporize the hits and you get double the amount….heck no buffer can do that damage except her.
@@Vergil-uq5kgcurrent best team on genshin consist of neuvillete furina kazuha and baizhu, so yeah you don't need jean if you have someone like baizhu
Kazuha : can't buff GEO, ANEMO and DENDRO character Bennet : can only buff ON-FIELD character and can't buff character who has HP scale Furina : can buff all element and Both ON-FIELD AND OFF-FIELD character
Geo doesn't want Furina because you'll need a healer. Usually you run 3-4 Geo. Anemo has better choices for supports than furina. Dendro also doesn't need furina because dendro/electro is too good to pass. We don't need to buff off-field characters, unless you're using better options like yelan - which you wouldn't be using furina in the team Furina takes 2 spaces to be effective, and the buff isn't as good as the other supports. Yes, she can also deal damage with her elemental skill and apply hydro (slow); but if you're gonna take 2 spots for that, better use yelan and one of the other good supports. Unless you're talking neuvilette, i see no reason to take Furina.
this is a terrible comparison, kazuha provides 30% elem dmg bonus from his buff, so a large part of the buff is vv, furina can provide more dmg bonus and have another party member hold vv instead
Funny thing you can do with Furina. Also will make farming less tedious. Archon Team: Furina, Nahida, Raiden(EM), Zhongli(FullHP) Zhongli E>Furina E>Nahida E+Q>Raiden E>Stay as Raiden to get Nahida's EM buff. Also stand at the top of Zhongli's pillar to assert dominance.
I feel like you made this a bit too early. Furina's talent is still only at talent lvl 7, which means is missing a lot of her buffing potential. lvl 7: 0.19% * 300 stacks = 57% max (teamwide) dmg bonus lvl 10: 0.25% * 300 stacks = 75% max dmg bonus While Kazuha is pretty much at his max dmg potential with: 977 em * 0.04% = 39.08% (elemental) dmg bonus. I get the point of the video, but I feel like people will take this video out of context without knowing this
furina is cracked, she doesnt just buffs the whole team with a 100% uptime but it also buffs any damage, even dendro and geo, wich kazuha cant do, and bennet just buffs atack so its not useful with characters like neuvillette,and furina has a really high personal damage, so she is basically a 100% uptime buffer, 100% uptime off field dps and can be used as a healer (wich is not optimal but still an option, especially in coop since the heal range is CRAZY and not bad even with a damage build since you always want her to have high HP) so overall furina is the best one, but off course she doesnt powercreep them, there are teams that prefer kazuha or bennet.
Each one of them depends on different things for their buffs: Furina only needs her talent leveled up but needs a team-wide healer Bennet needs a lvl 90 weapon with high base dmg and his talent Kazuha just needs 4-pc VV with a lot of EM since his buff doesn't depend on a talent lvl, it scales with elemental mastery
Yeeeah, that's what i think too, i pulled her c1 anyway(just for lolz), but really i don't really have any team where she really stands out, like she is mediocre as hell, tho the team with raiden, furina, yelan and jean is pretty good, but like it consists of the best chars plus my raiden is c2 and yelan is c1r1, anyway i don't recommend her for beginner accounts like i tested the hell out of her and i don't really think that her c2 will really change anything, the only thing u ll get is some personal dmg increase and faster fanfare stacks, in most of her teams she doesn't really need it and if u try to play her with some non-team-wide healer like bennet, ur team will always be on the verge of death, even with all these fanfare stacks its not worth it coz u will die anyway and in teams with team wide healer that c2 personal dmg increase is just lackluster 🤷 P.s pulled her c1 only because its somewhat a shame to have a char that isn't even plays that well and doesn't bring anything new to the table, so i was like forced to do it. She is one hell of a overrated char😂
Even Furina’s buff lower then Both boys,But She have a massive DMG skill and her buff is DMG bonus not ATK and it don’t need to swirl (btw She need healer to fast stacking fanfare instead )thx you for testing and now only I just need to do is pull her. - Furina’s simp
kazuha provides 30% elem dmg bonus from his buff, so a large part of the buff is vv, furina can provide more dmg bonus(averafe 40%) and have another party member hold vv instead, while her e does amazing damage
Yeah, but keep in mind that Furina is only at talent lvl 7, which means is missing a lot of her buffing potential. lvl 7: 0.19% * 300 stacks = 57% max (teamwide) dmg bonus lvl 10: 0.25% * 300 stacks = 75% max dmg bonus While Kazuha is pretty much at his max dmg potential with: 977 em * 0.04% = 39.08% (elemental) dmg bonus
Furina's buff also encourages you to use MH rather than regular sets on your hypercarries, also she wants an atk goblet over damage percent goblet when using furina, she gives so much damage bonus that it causes diminishing returns and thereby makes her buff look smaller than it might otherwise
I did a test on Ganyu using atk% goblet and she hits about 20k - a little bit less than Cryo% - but the results may change you also use Kazuha or Zhongli...
@@Moku_Kun how close were the substats roughly? also, only 57 percent with talent level 7 vs 75 percent with talent level 10, it should be a fairly large increase
I mean her buff is more like Mona's really. C1 gives 100% bonus dmg and C0 like 70%. Kazuha's double buff,part of it comes from Venerer - Shred of 40% which would put a ruin hunter at -30% cryo resistance + ~39% Cryo bonus (kazuha offers 0.04% elemental dmg for every point of EM he has for the element he swirls,this passive is separate from his ult) Bennett - Bennett + Noblesse,you know what that does. Just raw ATK bonus Furina - %dmg increase,it's really kinda the same as Mona's In a context where Furina would reduce cryo defenses somehow I believe she'd do a lot better than Kazuha but I don't know rly I think they sort of wanted to redo mona sort of? While catering to characters that don't benefit from ATK like Neuvi now.
Yeah, but keep in mind that Furina is only at talent lvl 7, which means is missing a lot of her buffing potential. lvl 7: 0.19% * 300 stacks = 57% max (teamwide) dmg bonus lvl 10: 0.25% * 300 stacks = 75% max dmg bonus While Kazuha is pretty much at his max dmg potential with: 977 em * 0.04% = 39.08% (elemental) dmg bonus
@@cybergamer__i guess we'll have to see in a couple weeks which one will buff more, furina's 75% for whole team, or kazuha's 40% + 40% vv shred(since it's a given) for a single element
@@silverandy100is the “Mona and Furina” type adding onto the percentage of the multiplier? Like Wanderer C2? Or just straight up multiplies the damage?
Kazuha buff 30% + viri debuff 70% Duration viri 8s , for buff debuff ,electro,cryo,pyro,hydro and viri can debuff reaction amplifer Srpecial ability cc Bennet buff 80% + nobless 20% Duration 12s ,for buff ,character scalling from base atk, not for hp scaling, and banned from quicken or hyperbloom team Special abilty heal Furina buff 100% Duration 18s ,for buff damage all character ,buff healing bonus type dinamic must have healer, but the buff for 1 team, Special ability offield dps
i find she not replace anyone she just change the way you play, you could still play with old buffer with more instant but her buff not bad either, even more you could play her with old buffer to make broken buff 😅 kazuha, bennet and mona is really instant buffer, ulti and you get buff but duration is like 5-8 second the different with furina her buffer kinda need some fanfare requirement but her duration is more long like 18 second and for all party not only on field mean your support could give some buff damage too Ganyu need chrage attack about 2 second so with kazuha or mona or bennet giving you chance to 2-4 buff CA 25000x4 =100.000 dmg meanwhile with furina giving you chance to 6-9 buff CA, let say average 18000 with fanfare need time to stack, 18000x9 = 162.000 dmg so i think old buffer giving you change to one hit enemy but she great with characther who constantly giving damage persecond
Thats actualy interesting, i didnt do much test nor the math but furina by herself doesnt boos that much interesting, its more because she both global buff, heal and she does nice amount of damage herself that she is this strong so basicaly on team that dont have much passive damage but focus much on combo and on field dps she is useless if there are other option OR if she isnt properly build to do damage herself
ppl say furina better then these 2 like bruh! these characters is the top tier support right now that we actually got so far!. today im actually got my own furina and i make my kokomi a dps with kazuha, debuff+buff, yelan for support dmg and furina with actually both support and sub-dmg..my build for kokomi was her with 45k hp, 188%er and 100%healing bonus! the dps is actually happening thanks to furin boost of ult!.
Yeah, but keep in mind that Furina is only at talent lvl 7, which means is missing a lot of her buffing potential. lvl 7: 0.19% * 300 stacks = 57% max (teamwide) dmg bonus lvl 10: 0.25% * 300 stacks = 75% max dmg bonus While Kazuha is pretty much at his max dmg potential with: 977 em * 0.04% = 39.08% (elemental) dmg bonus
I would say it's unbalanced when you remember that anemo is extremely good at buffing. From swirl itself, vv, kazuha raw buff based on his em alone, also swirl don't actually ruin reaction of other types. Bennett has small areas which a bit of a downside if you go against bosses with huge area or if you use melee with enemies scatter around the area. Furina on the other hand for me her biggest disadvantaged is her weapon and ascension don't boost dmg buff but only for herself as sub dps, she also needs to stack from the beginning of the burst. I thought at first she can get stacks outside of burst duration so when she bursts the buff is at max stack but apparently not Oh and btw you forgot to showcase using mona
That’s because furina’s const buffs her dmg buffs. Other than c2 kazuha, there is no const buff for kazuha’s buff. So it’s not a ‘disadvantage’ just whale territory.
Did this test on my own but with higher constellation units. Ganyu’s base CA is 18407. My Furina is C2 and at max FF level 8 burst Ganyu CA hit 25025. Kazuha/VV C2 hit 28227. Bennet with noblesse level 13 burst hit 29187. Without noblesse is 27727. If you take away VV from kazuha, ganyu only hits 22090. Essentially a huge part of kazuha’s buff comes from his ability to use VV & the buff from noblesse is nothing to scoff at. If none of these characters could use artifacts the results would be much much closer. In short, Bennett forces you to play circle impact, only works on attack scaling units, but gives the biggest buff in the game assuming you don’t already have absurd amounts of attack in your kit. Only buffs on field. Kazuha provides VV shred and a damage bonus putting him on par with Bennett raw buffing abilities. Can buff at most 2 characters but doesn’t last long and not always easy or possible to pull off double swirls Furina gives damage bonus, high off-field damage, the longest duration of the other buffers, doesn’t force you to play in a circle, and buffs the entire team not just the onfielder. But has the lowest raw buffing after factoring in artifacts & you must bring a healer. Personally my bennet has seen less and less play these days while kazuha is still a staple on many of my teams and furina is crazy versatile and will fit anywhere as long as you bring a healer.
@@Vergil-uq5kg Then that’s their problem. Furina teams want a healer. If you for whatever weird reason don’t want to use a healer then don’t use Furina. Simple.
@@Vergil-uq5kg 1. Nobody forces you to play Furina 2. Who told you that she can't be played without a healer. Have you ever heard of the Archon Team? They kill enemies while standing completely still. I use them a lot to afk farm a domain. Archon Team Furina, Nahida, Raiden(EM), Zhongli(FullHP) Zhongli E>Furina E>Nahida E+Q>Raiden E Also stand at the top of Zhongli's pillar to assert dominance.
@@Vergil-uq5kgshe is meta tho, bennet doesn't support neuvillete which arguably the best dps right now, and you can also use her with kazuha if you have someone like baizhu.
@@iliveinabedroom I m using neuvillette furina Charlotte kazuha but i m preety sure Bennet nd kazuha will revive in natlan bcz in fontain furina is absolute beast after kazuha
People are hating on him even though his skill is short cd ..can swirl and buff constantly in every 4-5 seconds... Doesn't need a healer...doesn't need to burst...can apply other element via swirling..crowd control... People failing to realize Furina is made for new playstyle and new meta with hp manipulation and not to defeat old buffers
I mean Furina can make your DPS use the MH, and she doesn’t have ER issues (from an experience), and her buff lasts for 18, and massive damage, and can be used with Dendro, and basically almost all teams using a healer. And the Furina on the trail isn’t maxed yet…
The thing with furina is without const and Fontaine characters like neuvi, it takes some time for her fanfare to be maxed. Depending on your team, sometimes your fanfare only max out near the end of the buff. Like your showcase above. If we dissect the teams, I’d love to see that furina and ganyu team in the abyss. Basically not practical to expect full fanfare immediately all the time without a Fontaine unit that can drain hp. Whereas, benny and kazuha’s buffs are maxed instantly the moment you cast them. So I’d say if you really want to make furina work for non-Fontaine units who drain hp (better than other buffers) get her constellations. 👍🏻
note: 1. Bennett buff only for Atk scaling character and take buff onfield 2. Kazuha buff only for element absorbed 3. furina Once Elemental Burst is active, all parties immediately get buffs. buff to all dmg except reaction.
This just proves that all archons are good when it comes to co-op viability cause with Venti e skill, you can fly with other characters, with Zhongli, you can have elemental shred but with C2, you can have shield, with Raiden, you can have coordinated electro attack, with Nahida for longer dendro application & better dendro reaction with her ulti, & for Furina, she can heal and buff everyone while her ulti duration is still there
Thank you. I'm not gonna pull for her. I already have Bennet and Kazuha so I don't need another buffer especially one that's worse than both of them I'm saving up for natlan!
well i know kazuha buff is strong thoo, but i prefer balancing buffing healing party too. so while coop can make another player survive from furina heal and get buff from furina, plus point. furina can buff geo, dendro, even physical too thats make flexible at all parties, but cant buff reactions like bloombloom, meanwhile thats allls i know from furina,
have you tried to use atk goblet on Ganyu instead of cryo? coz Furins buff is the dmg multiplier and having a high raw attack might be good? just my thoughts. i would want to see it if there's a difference
Yeah I did, my Ganyu hits about 20k-ish ( a little less than Cryo%) But I think if you use additional buff like Kazuha, Zhongli,.. with Furina then Atk% might pull ahead.
You didn't even crown bennett's burst lol. But outside of that it's a pretty great comparison! I guess the one major advantage bennett has over the other units is that he allows Ganyu to melt, which incrceases her damage by a ton.
Furina really doesn't add much value as she requires a healer in her party, preferably Jean for quickly getting max fanfare. The same team can do higher damage with Kazuha, Kokomi (with 4pc tenacity and ttds), shenhe and ganyu. When I say my ganyu does 94k charged shot with this team. (No food buffs) I'm not kidding. I was surprised myself when I saw this but I basically gave ttds buff to shenhe rather than to ganyu. Shenhe got more atk which made her E buff stronger. So really what Furina is adding, other character's can already do. Maybe she shines in teams which have off field dmg, like Yae, Xiangling and xingque. But for hyper carry teams, I don't think she's much needed.
I mean if you're gonna ignore how the video not only failed to get Furina all the fanfare, pitched her against higher level enemies, she isn't fully leveled and that's important for HP scalers, ignores her sub dps and the fact that she buffs everyone and everything and how she obviously doesn't have fully leveled talents sure. I find amazing how she managed to deal 23k despite all that actually.
@@drekhunterunless you have healers like baizhu/good build Charlotte, Fontaine team members, difficult to say that her fanfare will be maxed out immediately. Unless you have her const. Like look at the team op ran with her to max out that fanfare 💀 try running that team in the abyss
Currently using Yae, Nahida, Kokomi and Bennet, for Hyperbloom (absolutely insane damage). Was wondering about getting Furina, and replacing Bennett. But it looks like Bennett is the better damage boost (I use DPS Kokomi 4pc Ocean Hued, on-field) Plus, with Nahida's burst.... it's amazing having the 3 different elements her burst needs. So I'd be losing that pyro bonus damage for Nahida's Skill (after using her burst). But with Furina, I get Hydro resonance.
I'd actually think Furina is better in your team. Yae, Nahida and Kokomi values dmg% buff and you have Kokomi as the primary healer to stack fanfare buff.
@@jamiesucks7994that's the point. Furinas buff is universal and applies to all of party members. Plus her personal damage of her salon members outclasses the buff of the other 2. Not only she buff her whole teams dmg, she buff also herself.
To wake you guys up with the harsh reality…furina’s buff is 20 fck*n seconds….have you tried buffing razor and all of raiden’s attack? Only furina can buff each and every single hit of it…bennet can’t do it specially in abyss neither can kazuha.
it works both ways, for those characters who snapshot, such as xiangling or ayaka, the instantaneous buff from kazuha or bennett would be way better than furina's because those characters can't utilise furina's full buff because it takes so long, so there isn't better or worse or harsh realities, its just who fits in your teams the best.
Kazuha have short cd so he can swirl the said element every 4 seconds ..can crowd control ...apply other elements through swirling..taking advantage of vv..and ever better if u have his weapon..not saying Furina is bad...she's GREAT but they're both different..only thing common between them is buffing..but they're even different element and have different playstyle and role... And yet I see hate among fans over Fictional character..no wonder why most people deny playing genshin even when they do...like...yeah... Embarrassing
Kazuha has access to VV shred and elemental damage buff. which means he buffs you in two ways but for only one character or characters of the same element in the team. Kazuha's buff also last for only 8s and VV shred lasts for only ten seconds. So in all, I think Furina is better at buffing in general and you can run her in many teams compared to kazuha.
@@itssenpai626 so it's the vv shred after all. Kazuha can double swirl so he can buff more than 1 element. I wish that jean was on VV so I could see but Ill just run my own test. I guess i just kinda expected more difference from a 40% buff and a 75% buff. But you're right I agree that Furina has more benefits and flexibility on a bigger perspective.
@@itssenpai626 so it's the vv shred after all. Kazuha can double swirl so he can buff more than 1 element. I wish that jean was on VV so I could see but Ill just run my own test. I guess i just kinda expected more difference from a 40% buff and a 75% buff. But you're right I agree that Furina has more benefits and flexibility on a bigger perspective.
@@Inzesuru VV shred alone is actually very powerful if you can maintain a high uptime. In my opinion, it gives you a higher damage buff in a short time compared to furina's buff. But Furina will win in the long term especially if you have more energy recharge on her. Oh and you can still run Jean on VV shred. Her healing for more funfare stacks still contributes to more damage so there's no damage loss if you don't run kazuha instead👍
@@itssenpai626 hey its me again XD sorry just ignore if me if u dont feel like discussing but i did some tests with my wriothesley (vs masanori). Basically im trying to find why furina doesnt exactly buff as much as it says but like im not really smart so i thought maybe there are just a lot of stuff im failing to consider and 100% bonus dmg ofc wont literally mean 2x my damage however im just looking at my kazuha buff bc with kazuha my dmg is increased by 40% as he's supposed to. Then i compared it to furina+jean vv, which should be the same the only difference is the dmg bonus they provide. The result was a 57% damage increase. my furina is c1 level 9 ult so at max fanfare i should be near a 100% dmg bonus. So then I tried smth and changed my wrio goblet to atk% instead of cryo bonus and it's a mere 400 more atk and same crit dmg and the result, my dmg increase went to 69%. Basically there's prolly an atk threshold i should reach to clearly see my furina giving me 100% dmg bonus. I mean it makes sense cuz ppl did say too much of one stat and it starts falling off
my team (fuirna jean bennet neuviellete) sometime i use (furina jean bennet and raiden) (furina jean nahida and xiangling) with furina and jean then jean 4pcs artifaxt that decrease enemy resistance of element thats mixed up in swirl ive been using jean and furina since furina release so i can say 100% jean is best for furina jean is anemo charaxter can heal continuously while doing basic attack good at rotation and also a great healer its all in one so i think some of u guys think twice before sayin jean is not that good haha😅😅 jean x furina always❤❤
Furina is much better, it buffs the damage of the entire team regardless of where your damage comes from, and you are not conditioned to a certain area as is the case with the other two, if you leave you lose all the buff (Bennet case) or gain part of the the along with the damage (case of kazuha, if you move away from the ulti it obviously does not apply damage, which usually happens a lot in the abyss. Conclusion, Furina is much more versatile, more stable due to the fact that no matter where you go you don't lose the buff, it lasts a long time, and since your entire team hits more you end up having more dps, and all that without counting the great damage of those little creatures , who also follow you and hit the enemy you are hitting.
Kazuha buffs the team with swirl ..you don't need to use his burst to get the elemental damage bonus... He can also do crowd control... Abuse Vv shred ...does not need a healer... Furina have more buff percentage, although needs a healer to reach max fanfare... But can buff teams which cannot take advantage of vv shred and swirl ...have a higher personal damage ... Have no CD problem...can walk on water... Can benefit teams that does not benefit from Atk or cannot use Vv shred...
@@soujiokita6062 She can also benefit teams that works with ATK, because she buffs the damage received by the enemy, that is why she is so versatile, of course she has the condition of the healer (mostly at c0) but I don't see it as a problem, Kazuha does not work with dendro teams, each character has its limitation, and while it is true that Kazuha can buff with her elemental and inflict damage, in percentage terms, Furina's personal damage provides much more dps and damage without needing to apply a buff
The good thing about Furina is the damage bonus is easy to get if you get good heals. Kazuha needs double swirl if you play like melt or vaporize if one is damage dealer one is sub DPS.
Can you do this again but with her burst crowned. Your furina damage buff is only about 57% but at level 10 its 75% can you try again once its crowned pls
I don't know how the exact calculations of the damage output but the 75% damage bonus from furina is actually not as good as it on paper. In actual action it only buff around 33% LOL.
Thats how every multiplier works in the game. Same with crit (although crit is scarce so its closer to what it says then dmg bonus). Multipliers like yoimiya E, wanderers E, wriothesley E and neuvillette passive have no other source. So theyre what they say theyre on paper. 160% from passive is just that, 1.6 × dmg.
@gzgreyzone no no no. The 75% dmg bonus is added to the 46% dmg bonus (46.6%) on the Goblet. So the math is: let's say the raw dmg is "X" ---> X × 46÷100 + X = 15504. ---> 46X÷100 + X = 15504 ---> Find lowest comment multiple between 100 and 1 That's 100, so: 146X÷100= 15504 Cross multiply 146X = 1,550,400 Divide both sides by 146 X = 10,619.178082192 So now that we have raw dmg without any dmg bonus (although I didn't use .6 from the goblet), we now find out what we will get when we add the dmg bonus from the Goblet and furina; 10,619 (rounded) × (46÷100 + 75÷100) + 10619 = 10,619 × 121÷100 + 10619 = 12,849 + 10619 = 23,468 (rounded). The video, ganyu also got 23k from furina buff. I can explain further if you want.
Is it just me or your goat hasn't eaten enough flowers? I mean not to boost anything but my friend can make dmg of 25k on second charge yet his just using the craftable f2p bow from inazuma, and me with 28k with amos and just 50/180 crit ratio and just her raw strength... At least make your goat a proper set like wanderer or blizzard, because i want to see her do more dmg 😊... Hope you won't take this on the negative side but a pointers with another player, aighty bye
you know furina buffs the most here right? she buffs so much that it causes diminishing returns if you use dmg bonus goblet. if the person in the video had used an atk% goblet instead of cryo dmg goblet then ganyu's dmg would go 27k+. furina wins against any buffers as long as you have a healer.
@@validq_well what u r saying is not entirely true i tested pyro bonus vs hp% on hu tao team(yelan, hu tao, furina and jean) the damage was significantly lower like -10k while vaping i tried it on other chars and very often i encounter the same, i suppose certain chars CAN have a bit higher dmg but, the difference is always laughably small, so doesn't really changes anything
@@androidgames1602 do you know how hutao works? hutao isnt a hp scaler. she is an atk scaler. what's special about her is that she CONVERTS her hp into atk. and if you already have enough hp (30k+ is usual with hydro resonance) then you are already near the cap meaning you'd rather go for a pyro dmg goblet. try it on someone like ayato or xiao or yelan.
@@validq_ u r correct, but i tried it on yelan and the damage is still lower, like 18k vs 18.8k, so i admit my hp% goblet has only 14% cd, while the hydro goblet has 28%, for now this only proves that furina makes bonus% and stat% very similar, somewhere stat% maybe even higher but not so much that one would reorganize his chara for that miniscule dmg increase. Tho truly to say my yelan is c1r1 and uses hp% goblet, i tried with cd % instead but the damage is only lower, maybe without r1 she will do more damage, but I'm sure not by a lot
@@itssenpai626Yeah I forgot that she can buff off-field dmg, while bennett requires characters who can snapshot his buff to be used off-field like Xiangling. (Disregard kazuha cuz he used vv shred) Also can she buff transformative dmg like hyperbloom??? You said all types of damage... I don wan furina cri
The good thing about furina is that she buffs not just the on field character but everyone on the party
Unlimited buff range with your own damage buffing as well. No other buffer has their own damage scaling to around 200k+ per rotation
Here’s my furina’s damage at 41k HP with 61/270crit
Minion 1 - 20k per hit
Minion 2 - 28k per hit
Minion 3 - 35k per hit
Vaporize the hits and you get double the amount….heck no buffer can do that damage except her.
@@Zerocyxone9what constellation your furina has?
sis plz
@@Zerocyxone9_when_ she crits that is, apparently
she drains your HP, at the same time all members' HP in coop mode. I would kick anyone who join with Furina and mess up my HP level @@hirohero2490
Keep in mind majority of kazuha buff is vv, and Furina can run another vv on the team not to mention the damage
Bro why can't use kazuha with furina Jean is just trash for cc and we still have good healers
@@Vergil-uq5kgno one is forcing u to use jean play how u want
Yet another stupid comment lol
@@Vergil-uq5kgcurrent best team on genshin consist of neuvillete furina kazuha and baizhu, so yeah you don't need jean if you have someone like baizhu
@@Vergil-uq5kg
My team: [Xiangling, Kazuha, Kokomi, Furina]
I don't have Jean anyway...
Thanks. I wanted to see her buffing capability compared to other characters
Glad I helped!
Her buff is for the whole team, no just for a specific element or for the character on field.
What’s the point of buffing up character off field?
@@syedakib3534it's good for some off field sub dps who can't snap shot
@@syedakib3534Sub DPS, like Yelan, Xingqiu and Xiangling
@@syedakib3534uhm, who? Nahida, Fischl, Albedo, Yae, Furina, Beidou, Lisa, Yelan, Xingqiu, Xiangling, the Traveller, Venti, Rosaria 😅😅😅
@@syedakib3534bruh half the roster in genshin deals off field dmg lmao. 😂
Kazuha : can't buff GEO, ANEMO and DENDRO character
Bennet : can only buff ON-FIELD character and can't buff character who has HP scale
Furina : can buff all element and Both ON-FIELD AND OFF-FIELD character
U forgot to mention that's her buff will need time to get max fanfare and also needs a healer taking a spot of another support
@@mcccgsjhc yeah that is the problem which furina fanboy can't accept
Furina deals good dmg herself. much better than kazu or benny
Geo doesn't want Furina because you'll need a healer. Usually you run 3-4 Geo.
Anemo has better choices for supports than furina.
Dendro also doesn't need furina because dendro/electro is too good to pass.
We don't need to buff off-field characters, unless you're using better options like yelan - which you wouldn't be using furina in the team
Furina takes 2 spaces to be effective, and the buff isn't as good as the other supports. Yes, she can also deal damage with her elemental skill and apply hydro (slow); but if you're gonna take 2 spots for that, better use yelan and one of the other good supports.
Unless you're talking neuvilette, i see no reason to take Furina.
@@ALEXANDER6888 Which geo? because noelle is already a good healer with her cons xD, itto for sure.
Furina is still relevant because her E skill does a lot dammage, she even beat Yelan Q from Theory crafters
this is a terrible comparison, kazuha provides 30% elem dmg bonus from his buff, so a large part of the buff is vv, furina can provide more dmg bonus and have another party member hold vv instead
@@polymer240%
@@polymer2his ganyu is also very terrible, there is also a factor of higher dmg scaling which in case of furina not present
I'm glad you still alive.
@@polymer2 30% dmg bonus is depend if you have low em on him but if it's over 1k then it's 40% and up
Funny thing you can do with Furina. Also will make farming less tedious.
Archon Team:
Furina, Nahida, Raiden(EM), Zhongli(FullHP)
Zhongli E>Furina E>Nahida E+Q>Raiden E>Stay as Raiden to get Nahida's EM buff.
Also stand at the top of Zhongli's pillar to assert dominance.
I feel like you made this a bit too early. Furina's talent is still only at talent lvl 7, which means is missing a lot of her buffing potential.
lvl 7: 0.19% * 300 stacks = 57% max (teamwide) dmg bonus
lvl 10: 0.25% * 300 stacks = 75% max dmg bonus
While Kazuha is pretty much at his max dmg potential with: 977 em * 0.04% = 39.08% (elemental) dmg bonus.
I get the point of the video, but I feel like people will take this video out of context without knowing this
furina is cracked, she doesnt just buffs the whole team with a 100% uptime but it also buffs any damage, even dendro and geo, wich kazuha cant do, and bennet just buffs atack so its not useful with characters like neuvillette,and furina has a really high personal damage, so she is basically a 100% uptime buffer, 100% uptime off field dps and can be used as a healer (wich is not optimal but still an option, especially in coop since the heal range is CRAZY and not bad even with a damage build since you always want her to have high HP) so overall furina is the best one, but off course she doesnt powercreep them, there are teams that prefer kazuha or bennet.
Each one of them depends on different things for their buffs:
Furina only needs her talent leveled up but needs a team-wide healer
Bennet needs a lvl 90 weapon with high base dmg and his talent
Kazuha just needs 4-pc VV with a lot of EM since his buff doesn't depend on a talent lvl, it scales with elemental mastery
I wasted 430 pulls to get her C2, and now i don't have anywhere to use her, because she downgrades my best teams.
Yeeeah, that's what i think too, i pulled her c1 anyway(just for lolz), but really i don't really have any team where she really stands out, like she is mediocre as hell, tho the team with raiden, furina, yelan and jean is pretty good, but like it consists of the best chars plus my raiden is c2 and yelan is c1r1, anyway i don't recommend her for beginner accounts like i tested the hell out of her and i don't really think that her c2 will really change anything, the only thing u ll get is some personal dmg increase and faster fanfare stacks, in most of her teams she doesn't really need it and if u try to play her with some non-team-wide healer like bennet, ur team will always be on the verge of death, even with all these fanfare stacks its not worth it coz u will die anyway and in teams with team wide healer that c2 personal dmg increase is just lackluster 🤷
P.s pulled her c1 only because its somewhat a shame to have a char that isn't even plays that well and doesn't bring anything new to the table, so i was like forced to do it. She is one hell of a overrated char😂
@@androidgames1602 man we all know she's overrated but still AQ
@@androidgames1602I'm from future but why is a mediocre character usually the most used in spiral abyss??
Even Furina’s buff lower then Both boys,But She have a massive DMG skill and her buff is DMG bonus not ATK and it don’t need to swirl (btw She need healer to fast stacking fanfare instead )thx you for testing and now only I just need to do is pull her. - Furina’s simp
Fellow Furina shrimp
kazuha provides 30% elem dmg bonus from his buff, so a large part of the buff is vv, furina can provide more dmg bonus(averafe 40%) and have another party member hold vv instead, while her e does amazing damage
Swirling is easier than building a team around with another healer
Yeah, but keep in mind that Furina is only at talent lvl 7, which means is missing a lot of her buffing potential.
lvl 7: 0.19% * 300 stacks = 57% max (teamwide) dmg bonus
lvl 10: 0.25% * 300 stacks = 75% max dmg bonus
While Kazuha is pretty much at his max dmg potential with: 977 em * 0.04% = 39.08% (elemental) dmg bonus
@@cybergamer__ what if you include vv set ?
Furina's buff also encourages you to use MH rather than regular sets on your hypercarries, also she wants an atk goblet over damage percent goblet when using furina, she gives so much damage bonus that it causes diminishing returns and thereby makes her buff look smaller than it might otherwise
you mean hp goblet?
@@parthsankhe213 no they are talking about ganyus goblet
@@grumpydragon8934 ah got it, thanks
I did a test on Ganyu using atk% goblet and she hits about 20k - a little bit less than Cryo% - but the results may change you also use Kazuha or Zhongli...
@@Moku_Kun how close were the substats roughly? also, only 57 percent with talent level 7 vs 75 percent with talent level 10, it should be a fairly large increase
Furina also buffs all party members of every element
Benny does the same. Not sure about Kazuha
@@syedakib3534kazuha only specific element, one type per burst. He's useless with physical dps like Eula
@@syedakib3534benny can't buff , character hp scaling ,neuvillet,yelan, and banned from quicken or quickbloom team,
@@syedakib3534 bennette only buffs the on field character, and kazuha only buffs one element
@@maplesally1218 bruh Bennett gives 90% dmg bonus compared to 0-75% dmg bonus from Furina
I mean her buff is more like Mona's really. C1 gives 100% bonus dmg and C0 like 70%.
Kazuha's double buff,part of it comes from Venerer - Shred of 40% which would put a ruin hunter at -30% cryo resistance + ~39% Cryo bonus (kazuha offers 0.04% elemental dmg for every point of EM he has for the element he swirls,this passive is separate from his ult)
Bennett - Bennett + Noblesse,you know what that does. Just raw ATK bonus
Furina - %dmg increase,it's really kinda the same as Mona's
In a context where Furina would reduce cryo defenses somehow I believe she'd do a lot better than Kazuha but I don't know rly
I think they sort of wanted to redo mona sort of? While catering to characters that don't benefit from ATK like Neuvi now.
Yeah, but keep in mind that Furina is only at talent lvl 7, which means is missing a lot of her buffing potential.
lvl 7: 0.19% * 300 stacks = 57% max (teamwide) dmg bonus
lvl 10: 0.25% * 300 stacks = 75% max dmg bonus
While Kazuha is pretty much at his max dmg potential with: 977 em * 0.04% = 39.08% (elemental) dmg bonus
@@cybergamer__i guess we'll have to see in a couple weeks which one will buff more, furina's 75% for whole team, or kazuha's 40% + 40% vv shred(since it's a given) for a single element
@@curlynicks I would test this myself but I do not have Kazuha *sad*
@@silverandy100is the “Mona and Furina” type adding onto the percentage of the multiplier? Like Wanderer C2? Or just straight up multiplies the damage?
@@curlynicksif vv shred is 40% I guess even Jean or Venti can do 40% then
Kazuha buff 30% + viri debuff 70%
Duration viri 8s , for buff debuff ,electro,cryo,pyro,hydro and viri can debuff reaction amplifer
Srpecial ability cc
Bennet buff 80% + nobless 20%
Duration 12s ,for buff ,character scalling from base atk, not for hp scaling, and banned from quicken or hyperbloom team
Special abilty heal
Furina buff 100%
Duration 18s ,for buff damage all character ,buff healing bonus
type dinamic must have healer, but the buff for 1 team,
Special ability offield dps
Furina buff 75% ..only 100% with constellation
@@soujiokita6062 100% is the total amount of buff given by Furina, unlike Bennet and Kazuha who were also helped by artifacts
no it isnt lol@@maplesally1218
so pull for kazuha everyone because I can't imagine someone playing this game without kazuha.
i find she not replace anyone she just change the way you play, you could still play with old buffer with more instant
but her buff not bad either, even more you could play her with old buffer to make broken buff 😅
kazuha, bennet and mona is really instant buffer, ulti and you get buff but duration is like 5-8 second
the different with furina her buffer kinda need some fanfare requirement but her duration is more long like 18 second
and for all party not only on field mean your support could give some buff damage too
Ganyu need chrage attack about 2 second
so with kazuha or mona or bennet giving you chance to 2-4 buff CA 25000x4 =100.000 dmg
meanwhile with furina giving you chance to 6-9 buff CA, let say average 18000 with fanfare need time to stack, 18000x9 = 162.000 dmg
so i think old buffer giving you change to one hit enemy
but she great with characther who constantly giving damage persecond
Just finished the archon quest and the story ...
She came home at exactly 90 ...
And no talent , i should be able to 8 the Q this week ...
She's absolutely worth it tho!
You can now go pat her with her smug little face >:)
What at 90?
I play the game since month 1 and I have never heard of someone reach 90 pity.
@@FunTimeGhz i have reached pity 90 several time , yes . :'(
@@IpangSNM
You are unique
@@IpangSNM damn that's basically impossible. Unlucky
Thats actualy interesting, i didnt do much test nor the math but furina by herself doesnt boos that much interesting, its more because she both global buff, heal and she does nice amount of damage herself that she is this strong so basicaly on team that dont have much passive damage but focus much on combo and on field dps she is useless if there are other option OR if she isnt properly build to do damage herself
Lv 79 Furina doesn't count.
ppl say furina better then these 2 like bruh! these characters is the top tier support right now that we actually got so far!.
today im actually got my own furina and i make my kokomi a dps with kazuha, debuff+buff, yelan for support dmg and furina with actually both support and sub-dmg..my build for kokomi was her with 45k hp, 188%er and 100%healing bonus! the dps is actually happening thanks to furin boost of ult!.
Yeah, but keep in mind that Furina is only at talent lvl 7, which means is missing a lot of her buffing potential.
lvl 7: 0.19% * 300 stacks = 57% max (teamwide) dmg bonus
lvl 10: 0.25% * 300 stacks = 75% max dmg bonus
While Kazuha is pretty much at his max dmg potential with: 977 em * 0.04% = 39.08% (elemental) dmg bonus
kazuha still buffs way more @@cybergamer__
I would say it's unbalanced when you remember that anemo is extremely good at buffing. From swirl itself, vv, kazuha raw buff based on his em alone, also swirl don't actually ruin reaction of other types.
Bennett has small areas which a bit of a downside if you go against bosses with huge area or if you use melee with enemies scatter around the area.
Furina on the other hand for me her biggest disadvantaged is her weapon and ascension don't boost dmg buff but only for herself as sub dps, she also needs to stack from the beginning of the burst. I thought at first she can get stacks outside of burst duration so when she bursts the buff is at max stack but apparently not
Oh and btw you forgot to showcase using mona
That’s because furina’s const buffs her dmg buffs. Other than c2 kazuha, there is no const buff for kazuha’s buff. So it’s not a ‘disadvantage’ just whale territory.
@@tomatorama whale territory IS disadvantaged for most player haha
You can run both…. No one is stopping you
Que Jean on Furina team giving you at least 200 fanfare stacks from the beginning and vv shred in one character for furina.
Did this test on my own but with higher constellation units. Ganyu’s base CA is 18407. My Furina is C2 and at max FF level 8 burst Ganyu CA hit 25025. Kazuha/VV C2 hit 28227. Bennet with noblesse level 13 burst hit 29187. Without noblesse is 27727. If you take away VV from kazuha, ganyu only hits 22090. Essentially a huge part of kazuha’s buff comes from his ability to use VV & the buff from noblesse is nothing to scoff at. If none of these characters could use artifacts the results would be much much closer.
In short, Bennett forces you to play circle impact, only works on attack scaling units, but gives the biggest buff in the game assuming you don’t already have absurd amounts of attack in your kit. Only buffs on field.
Kazuha provides VV shred and a damage bonus putting him on par with Bennett raw buffing abilities. Can buff at most 2 characters but doesn’t last long and not always easy or possible to pull off double swirls
Furina gives damage bonus, high off-field damage, the longest duration of the other buffers, doesn’t force you to play in a circle, and buffs the entire team not just the onfielder. But has the lowest raw buffing after factoring in artifacts & you must bring a healer.
Personally my bennet has seen less and less play these days while kazuha is still a staple on many of my teams and furina is crazy versatile and will fit anywhere as long as you bring a healer.
Bro not everyone likes healers or use healers
@@Vergil-uq5kg Then that’s their problem. Furina teams want a healer. If you for whatever weird reason don’t want to use a healer then don’t use Furina. Simple.
So many languages in the world... And you decided to speak based! 🗿
@@Vergil-uq5kg
1. Nobody forces you to play Furina
2. Who told you that she can't be played without a healer. Have you ever heard of the Archon Team? They kill enemies while standing completely still. I use them a lot to afk farm a domain.
Archon Team
Furina, Nahida, Raiden(EM), Zhongli(FullHP)
Zhongli E>Furina E>Nahida E+Q>Raiden E
Also stand at the top of Zhongli's pillar to assert dominance.
Or, just use them together for Maximum buff 👍
U didn’t cap furina btw
bruh imagine playing for meta. Play her because she deserve it. benet and kazuha can gtfo for all i care
But she it meta
Kazuha is more fun to play then her tho
@@jagneel6640 Bro she's not meta or should I say same meta as kazuha or Bennet she's a ez ss tier but not ss+
@@Vergil-uq5kgshe is meta tho, bennet doesn't support neuvillete which arguably the best dps right now, and you can also use her with kazuha if you have someone like baizhu.
@@iliveinabedroom I m using neuvillette furina Charlotte kazuha but i m preety sure Bennet nd kazuha will revive in natlan bcz in fontain furina is absolute beast after kazuha
kazuha doing what a furina and jean does together, alone, with one simple e skill. and doenst need hp mechanics, and isnt burst reliant
People are hating on him even though his skill is short cd ..can swirl and buff constantly in every 4-5 seconds... Doesn't need a healer...doesn't need to burst...can apply other element via swirling..crowd control... People failing to realize Furina is made for new playstyle and new meta with hp manipulation and not to defeat old buffers
@@soujiokita6062 ikr, he does the job of two characters but everyones shitting on him cuz hes not a waifu. i fcking hate these fckers
Kazuha doing *Half* of what Furina and Jean does together. Half the buff.
Plus CC but minus the heal
@@PhuongHoang-cj9jz The only reason is furina simping man NGL furina just to got huge emotional attachment
I mean Furina can make your DPS use the MH, and she doesn’t have ER issues (from an experience), and her buff lasts for 18, and massive damage, and can be used with Dendro, and basically almost all teams using a healer. And the Furina on the trail isn’t maxed yet…
All I know is she increased my Kazuha and Bennett damage as well. I don't have as good artifacfs for any of them.
The thing with furina is without const and Fontaine characters like neuvi, it takes some time for her fanfare to be maxed. Depending on your team, sometimes your fanfare only max out near the end of the buff. Like your showcase above. If we dissect the teams, I’d love to see that furina and ganyu team in the abyss. Basically not practical to expect full fanfare immediately all the time without a Fontaine unit that can drain hp.
Whereas, benny and kazuha’s buffs are maxed instantly the moment you cast them.
So I’d say if you really want to make furina work for non-Fontaine units who drain hp (better than other buffers) get her constellations. 👍🏻
note:
1. Bennett buff only for Atk scaling character and take buff onfield
2. Kazuha buff only for element absorbed
3. furina Once Elemental Burst is active, all parties immediately get buffs. buff to all dmg except reaction.
But needs a good healer like Jean or Baizhu
This just proves that all archons are good when it comes to co-op viability cause with Venti e skill, you can fly with other characters, with Zhongli, you can have elemental shred but with C2, you can have shield, with Raiden, you can have coordinated electro attack, with Nahida for longer dendro application & better dendro reaction with her ulti, & for Furina, she can heal and buff everyone while her ulti duration is still there
I know Furina is not the Hydro Archon anymore but still, she's the human vessel of Focalors so that still counts
Thank you. I'm not gonna pull for her. I already have Bennet and Kazuha so I don't need another buffer especially one that's worse than both of them
I'm saving up for natlan!
I know it’s not a perfect showcase and all, but I think your Bennett attack is quite a detriment to the buffs he can provide.
Even mine has over 2000
Very well controlled test :D
And let remember she is a off field dps, buff all the members of the team, aply hydro and walk on water
well i know kazuha buff is strong thoo, but i prefer balancing buffing healing party too. so while coop can make another player survive from furina heal and get buff from furina, plus point. furina can buff geo, dendro, even physical too thats make flexible at all parties, but cant buff reactions like bloombloom, meanwhile thats allls i know from furina,
have you tried to use atk goblet on Ganyu instead of cryo? coz Furins buff is the dmg multiplier and having a high raw attack might be good? just my thoughts. i would want to see it if there's a difference
Yeah I did, my Ganyu hits about 20k-ish ( a little less than Cryo%)
But I think if you use additional buff like Kazuha, Zhongli,.. with Furina then Atk% might pull ahead.
@@Moku_Kun i see, ty for info
actually furina increases the damage not the attack.
Her buff is more like elemental damage bonus
@@eliseo1452 her buff is raw dmg like yelan and mona elemental dmg is different
You didn't even crown bennett's burst lol. But outside of that it's a pretty great comparison! I guess the one major advantage bennett has over the other units is that he allows Ganyu to melt, which incrceases her damage by a ton.
Furina really doesn't add much value as she requires a healer in her party, preferably Jean for quickly getting max fanfare. The same team can do higher damage with Kazuha, Kokomi (with 4pc tenacity and ttds), shenhe and ganyu.
When I say my ganyu does 94k charged shot with this team. (No food buffs) I'm not kidding.
I was surprised myself when I saw this but I basically gave ttds buff to shenhe rather than to ganyu. Shenhe got more atk which made her E buff stronger.
So really what Furina is adding, other character's can already do.
Maybe she shines in teams which have off field dmg, like Yae, Xiangling and xingque. But for hyper carry teams, I don't think she's much needed.
so much salty people trying to put kazuha down 😂
I mean if you're gonna ignore how the video not only failed to get Furina all the fanfare, pitched her against higher level enemies, she isn't fully leveled and that's important for HP scalers, ignores her sub dps and the fact that she buffs everyone and everything and how she obviously doesn't have fully leveled talents sure.
I find amazing how she managed to deal 23k despite all that actually.
@@drekhunterunless you have healers like baizhu/good build Charlotte, Fontaine team members, difficult to say that her fanfare will be maxed out immediately. Unless you have her const. Like look at the team op ran with her to max out that fanfare 💀 try running that team in the abyss
Currently using Yae, Nahida, Kokomi and Bennet, for Hyperbloom (absolutely insane damage). Was wondering about getting Furina, and replacing Bennett. But it looks like Bennett is the better damage boost (I use DPS Kokomi 4pc Ocean Hued, on-field)
Plus, with Nahida's burst.... it's amazing having the 3 different elements her burst needs. So I'd be losing that pyro bonus damage for Nahida's Skill (after using her burst).
But with Furina, I get Hydro resonance.
I'd actually think Furina is better in your team. Yae, Nahida and Kokomi values dmg% buff and you have Kokomi as the primary healer to stack fanfare buff.
benny's atk buff doesn't increase hyperbloom dmg, nor does furina's dmg bonus buff. hydro resonance also does little to nothing for hyperbloom
@@Laythe_ Hydro res and fanfare buff still buffs Yae, Nahida, Kokomi, as this team looks more like a quickbloom team than a hyperbloom.
Yelan tier sub dps
Kazuha tier support
She is cracked
Yes man until u have good healer😂
Now make a video showing kazuha buffing a anemo, geo or dendro character and bennet buffing an hp, def or em scaling character
Kazuha can’t buff anemo because you can’t swirl anemo with anemo
@@jamiesucks7994 exactly
xdd just for that Furina ist so much better
@@jamiesucks7994that's the point. Furinas buff is universal and applies to all of party members. Plus her personal damage of her salon members outclasses the buff of the other 2. Not only she buff her whole teams dmg, she buff also herself.
@@thegoat2739Kazuha sucks without Vv
To wake you guys up with the harsh reality…furina’s buff is 20 fck*n seconds….have you tried buffing razor and all of raiden’s attack? Only furina can buff each and every single hit of it…bennet can’t do it specially in abyss neither can kazuha.
it works both ways, for those characters who snapshot, such as xiangling or ayaka, the instantaneous buff from kazuha or bennett would be way better than furina's because those characters can't utilise furina's full buff because it takes so long, so there isn't better or worse or harsh realities, its just who fits in your teams the best.
Kazuha have short cd so he can swirl the said element every 4 seconds ..can crowd control ...apply other elements through swirling..taking advantage of vv..and ever better if u have his weapon..not saying Furina is bad...she's GREAT but they're both different..only thing common between them is buffing..but they're even different element and have different playstyle and role... And yet I see hate among fans over Fictional character..no wonder why most people deny playing genshin even when they do...like...yeah... Embarrassing
bennet and kazuha absolutly can do it and they have been doing it for a long time lmfao.... have u played any of those teams? like what?
i used her and never see numbers change in char details 🙂💔💔💔
The thing is that Furina buffs everyone and everything no matter what, you could be build on defense or atk or hp, she still will buff you…
It depends how you build the characters very much
hmmm how do u make sense of how kazuha buffs more than furina even tho on paper furina seems to buff more? Is it just the vv shred?
Kazuha has access to VV shred and elemental damage buff. which means he buffs you in two ways but for only one character or characters of the same element in the team. Kazuha's buff also last for only 8s and VV shred lasts for only ten seconds. So in all, I think Furina is better at buffing in general and you can run her in many teams compared to kazuha.
@@itssenpai626 so it's the vv shred after all. Kazuha can double swirl so he can buff more than 1 element. I wish that jean was on VV so I could see but Ill just run my own test.
I guess i just kinda expected more difference from a 40% buff and a 75% buff. But you're right I agree that Furina has more benefits and flexibility on a bigger perspective.
@@itssenpai626 so it's the vv shred after all. Kazuha can double swirl so he can buff more than 1 element. I wish that jean was on VV so I could see but Ill just run my own test.
I guess i just kinda expected more difference from a 40% buff and a 75% buff. But you're right I agree that Furina has more benefits and flexibility on a bigger perspective.
@@Inzesuru VV shred alone is actually very powerful if you can maintain a high uptime. In my opinion, it gives you a higher damage buff in a short time compared to furina's buff. But Furina will win in the long term especially if you have more energy recharge on her. Oh and you can still run Jean on VV shred. Her healing for more funfare stacks still contributes to more damage so there's no damage loss if you don't run kazuha instead👍
@@itssenpai626 hey its me again XD sorry just ignore if me if u dont feel like discussing but i did some tests with my wriothesley (vs masanori). Basically im trying to find why furina doesnt exactly buff as much as it says but like im not really smart so i thought maybe there are just a lot of stuff im failing to consider and 100% bonus dmg ofc wont literally mean 2x my damage
however im just looking at my kazuha buff bc with kazuha my dmg is increased by 40% as he's supposed to. Then i compared it to furina+jean vv, which should be the same the only difference is the dmg bonus they provide. The result was a 57% damage increase. my furina is c1 level 9 ult so at max fanfare i should be near a 100% dmg bonus. So then I tried smth and changed my wrio goblet to atk% instead of cryo bonus and it's a mere 400 more atk and same crit dmg and the result, my dmg increase went to 69%. Basically there's prolly an atk threshold i should reach to clearly see my furina giving me 100% dmg bonus. I mean it makes sense cuz ppl did say too much of one stat and it starts falling off
Realistically though, you would use VV on Jean.
my team
(fuirna jean bennet neuviellete)
sometime i use
(furina jean bennet and raiden)
(furina jean nahida and xiangling)
with furina and jean then jean 4pcs artifaxt that decrease enemy resistance of element thats mixed up in swirl ive been using jean and furina since furina release so i can say 100% jean is best for furina jean is anemo charaxter can heal continuously while doing basic attack good at rotation and also a great healer its all in one
so i think some of u guys think twice before sayin jean is not that good haha😅😅
jean x furina always❤❤
Furina is much better, it buffs the damage of the entire team regardless of where your damage comes from, and you are not conditioned to a certain area as is the case with the other two, if you leave you lose all the buff (Bennet case) or gain part of the the along with the damage (case of kazuha, if you move away from the ulti it obviously does not apply damage, which usually happens a lot in the abyss.
Conclusion, Furina is much more versatile, more stable due to the fact that no matter where you go you don't lose the buff, it lasts a long time, and since your entire team hits more you end up having more dps, and all that without counting the great damage of those little creatures , who also follow you and hit the enemy you are hitting.
Kazuha buffs the team with swirl ..you don't need to use his burst to get the elemental damage bonus... He can also do crowd control... Abuse Vv shred ...does not need a healer...
Furina have more buff percentage, although needs a healer to reach max fanfare... But can buff teams which cannot take advantage of vv shred and swirl ...have a higher personal damage ... Have no CD problem...can walk on water... Can benefit teams that does not benefit from Atk or cannot use Vv shred...
@@soujiokita6062 She can also benefit teams that works with ATK, because she buffs the damage received by the enemy, that is why she is so versatile, of course she has the condition of the healer (mostly at c0) but I don't see it as a problem, Kazuha does not work with dendro teams, each character has its limitation, and while it is true that Kazuha can buff with her elemental and inflict damage, in percentage terms, Furina's personal damage provides much more dps and damage without needing to apply a buff
furina can work on many teams yes.... but she doesnt do anything better than anyone@@thegoat2739
In short (Buff To All Character) + (Sub Dps)
What will happen if kazuha, furina and bennett is in the same team how much is the damage it will do?🤔
Was Jean wearing viridescent venerer? If doesn't make sense why she "didn't buff that much"
Jean isn't built in V.V in this video.
The good thing about Furina is the damage bonus is easy to get if you get good heals. Kazuha needs double swirl if you play like melt or vaporize if one is damage dealer one is sub DPS.
Thats not fair as kazuha was using VV
Can you do this again but with her burst crowned. Your furina damage buff is only about 57% but at level 10 its 75% can you try again once its crowned pls
I don't know how the exact calculations of the damage output but the 75% damage bonus from furina is actually not as good as it on paper. In actual action it only buff around 33% LOL.
Thats how every multiplier works in the game. Same with crit (although crit is scarce so its closer to what it says then dmg bonus). Multipliers like yoimiya E, wanderers E, wriothesley E and neuvillette passive have no other source. So theyre what they say theyre on paper. 160% from passive is just that, 1.6 × dmg.
Correct me if im wrong tho.
@putent9623 your ganyu raw damage is 15504 if furina really gives 75% damage bonus it's supposed to be 15504 + 11628 (it's the 75% of 15504) = 27132
I don't know why your ganyu gets more than 33% damage bonus, since most characters only get less than 33%
@gzgreyzone no no no.
The 75% dmg bonus is added to the 46% dmg bonus (46.6%) on the Goblet. So the math is: let's say the raw dmg is "X"
--->
X × 46÷100 + X = 15504.
--->
46X÷100 + X = 15504
--->
Find lowest comment multiple between 100 and 1
That's 100, so:
146X÷100= 15504
Cross multiply
146X = 1,550,400
Divide both sides by 146
X = 10,619.178082192
So now that we have raw dmg without any dmg bonus (although I didn't use .6 from the goblet), we now find out what we will get when we add the dmg bonus from the Goblet and furina;
10,619 (rounded) × (46÷100 + 75÷100) + 10619
=
10,619 × 121÷100 + 10619
=
12,849 + 10619
=
23,468 (rounded).
The video, ganyu also got 23k from furina buff.
I can explain further if you want.
me using all 3 of them in a team 😎
Big brain
I don't care. I have all the buffers and I can use them all at once lol.
Thats balanced coz furina has salon damage
So.. i could say that Bennett > Furina? about buffing of course
I'm so used to c6 Furina now lol she's just instantly at max fanfare without a healer.
You should change your Ganyu artifact asap. Go for shimenawa or wanderer's troupe 4 set pieces. Your charge attack numbers make me sad.
I dissagree
The best is kazuha
Furina team has jean with VV its mean furina test result is less than 23K without VV jean
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Ok but all together
Kazuha is just too good
Is it just me or your goat hasn't eaten enough flowers? I mean not to boost anything but my friend can make dmg of 25k on second charge yet his just using the craftable f2p bow from inazuma, and me with 28k with amos and just 50/180 crit ratio and just her raw strength...
At least make your goat a proper set like wanderer or blizzard, because i want to see her do more dmg 😊... Hope you won't take this on the negative side but a pointers with another player, aighty bye
Furina, yelan, raiden, jean (xianyun ) a lot of burst damage
if furina's burst is lvl 10 she will outdo them all
No lol
yes lol
@@jacksonwww5
Furina is not viable alone u need to have a team healer as well honestly Bennett and kazuha far more better than her
True
Kazuha❤
That’s why he is the goat , the GOAATTT.
you know furina buffs the most here right? she buffs so much that it causes diminishing returns if you use dmg bonus goblet. if the person in the video had used an atk% goblet instead of cryo dmg goblet then ganyu's dmg would go 27k+. furina wins against any buffers as long as you have a healer.
@@validq_well what u r saying is not entirely true i tested pyro bonus vs hp% on hu tao team(yelan, hu tao, furina and jean) the damage was significantly lower like -10k while vaping i tried it on other chars and very often i encounter the same, i suppose certain chars CAN have a bit higher dmg but, the difference is always laughably small, so doesn't really changes anything
@@androidgames1602 do you know how hutao works? hutao isnt a hp scaler. she is an atk scaler. what's special about her is that she CONVERTS her hp into atk. and if you already have enough hp (30k+ is usual with hydro resonance) then you are already near the cap meaning you'd rather go for a pyro dmg goblet. try it on someone like ayato or xiao or yelan.
@@validq_ u r correct, but i tried it on yelan and the damage is still lower, like 18k vs 18.8k, so i admit my hp% goblet has only 14% cd, while the hydro goblet has 28%, for now this only proves that furina makes bonus% and stat% very similar, somewhere stat% maybe even higher but not so much that one would reorganize his chara for that miniscule dmg increase. Tho truly to say my yelan is c1r1 and uses hp% goblet, i tried with cd % instead but the damage is only lower, maybe without r1 she will do more damage, but I'm sure not by a lot
Uhm what is Hu Tao's role using her E there?
For CRIT Rate from her passive.
Now Ganyu Kazuha Furina Bennet pls
kazuha and bennet both 6 stars character
But by end ruin gaurd died by furina
Were talking about the buff and your talking about furina's dmg. 😂
Yeah I pretty much have to neft her damage to do the video lol
@@jhimjimmapa1725 I meant even though her buff is not high as others but she makes up with her personal damage
Why not use all together xD
Bcz it's furina simping era mean it's genshin community
I hate this game for giving me a dam qiqi
Tough luck ;w;
Bruh, Im already sensing Furina crying if players just go back to teams of kazuha and bennett instead...
Furina can buff the whole team and all types of damage so I don’t think that’s gonna happen anytime soon
@@itssenpai626Yeah I forgot that she can buff off-field dmg, while bennett requires characters who can snapshot his buff to be used off-field like Xiangling. (Disregard kazuha cuz he used vv shred)
Also can she buff transformative dmg like hyperbloom??? You said all types of damage...
I don wan furina cri
I'm yet to get her and test that out. But that will be OP@@ANoobInvoid
@@itssenpai626 ppl said it does not work, and its odd when you said it to be all forms of damage despite not having furina yet.
@@ANoobInvoid you can find youtube videos on furina eula teams. It’s clear she can be used not only in elemental damage teams but physical as well.