The great thing about Danny McKnight is that he actually walked around commanding the convoy like that. I've read the book, and multiple witnesses were amazed at the way he walked around, not paying any attention to the gunfire around him. Tom Sizemore did his character a great service in that movie.
What I loved about Apocalypse Now was the huge contrast between Kilgore and the Do Lung bridge. Kilgore and his men were in a Valhalla of sorts - Fighting by day, eating, drinking and surfing by night. Fallen soldiers (and even enemy VC) would be celebrated as heroes, and it's all cemented and tied with the Flight of the Valkyries. The Do Lung bridge, however... Where souls are sent for eternal fighting in the dark, with no real chain of command, no one to look to, accompanied by the constant shootings, explosions and screams. The bridge was Purgatory, Pandemonium and Hell. Those serving there were the doomed and the damned. When the protagonist gets there, those doomed souls beg him to take them from this hell, only to be silently refused.
Its not a movie, but "The Pacific" will always be tops on my list of war movies or shows. I think it shows the absolute brutality of war, and the change in the psyche of those involved the best of any movie or show I have ever seen.
My grandfather was at peleliu and Okinawa and that series have a glimpse of how awful that was. If you want to delve deeper into pacific a dude named Ian w toll wrote a trilogy of books about the whole war in the pacific and Dan Carlin just did a whole series about the pacific war. It is all amazing
I checked "With The Rare Breed" out of the local library shortly after Eugene Sledge passed away, and was surprised to see that he had signed that copy. Made reading it that much more moving.
No one will pick this, but I go with "Siege Of Firebase Gloria." Loved getting the viewpoint of both the Marine leader, R. Lee Ermy and his counterpart, the commanding officer of the large NVA force.
Gloria director Brian Trenchard-Smith also made 1995 remake of classic Humphrey Bogart war movie Sahara. For a relative low-budget television movie, it's surprisingly good, with James Belushi playing hard-boiled sarge in a rare non-comedic role.
Something I loved about We Were Soldiers, which is one of my top 5 military films, was that it explored what the wives and families went through throughout those early battles as the military was not prepared for what happened.
the book is outstanding. there is a scene were a wounded air cav soldier is waiting as the NVA are going thru the bodies and executing them. just as he is about to get killed, a ground attack jet wipes out the NVA. the soldier was quoted 'god bless all airmen'
I absolutely think Letters is a wonderful film - it has everything that Flags of our Fathers is lacking. Not that Flags is a terrible movie, but I find myself disappointed every time I do watch it
Apocalypse now isn't necessarily a war movie that's grounded in any reality. Although a good watch its still Heart of Darkness in SE Asia rather than in Africa. Saving Ryan's Privates is Spielbergian Schmaltz.... Made amazingly but all craft, no substance. BHD is very good ... Nothing epic, groundbreaking or novel though... Besides Hoot letting us know what's important. Platoon is a solid effort that was ruined by Stone's pathetic propaganda and fictional bias against the man and the mindset required to persevere in that conflict .... Barnes is Reality.
Mt list before watching.... 1. Apocalypse Now 2. All Quiet on the Western Front (1931) 3. Saving Private Ryan 4. Cross of Iron 5. Paths of Glory Honourable mentions to Kelly's Heroes, The Dirty Dozen, Dambusters and The Great Escape.
When I was doing my infantry training we ended up watching one of the episodes of band of brothers, specifically for the trench clearing, and caping the German 88s
Yes after Gettysburg, but not the Battle of the Crater, - The Battle of Fort Wagner on July 18, 1863, was an unsuccessful assault led by the 54th Massachusetts, an African American infantry, famously depicted in the movie Glory. Fort Wagner is located on Morris Island in the Charleston Harbor, South Carolina. - The Battle of the Crater was a battle of the American Civil War, part of the siege of Petersburg, Virginia.
Lawrence of Arabia is also one of my all-time favorite movies; a perfect film. History Bro and I completely agree on David Lean's Lawrence as a truly amazing film. The recent UHD-4K release of Lawrence of Arabia looks incredible on my OLED TV! What a truly brilliant film!
This was such a great stream. I always come back and rewatch it every 6 months or so just to get the chance to hear two war movie connoisseurs wax lyrical about some of the best ones of all time. Both of them habe great insights and i could hear them reminisce about these wonderful works of art all day. I really wish the History Bro came on other streams because his imput is trully fascinating and invaluable.
All great choices, if you haven’t seen The Captain… see it. True story, very dark, but also very humorous and does a great job portraying the absolute insanity of the twilight of the Nazi regime. I’m a watch geek and I love the true story of the Great Escape where there’s an understanding between the German and British officers that the prisoners are required by Military code to attempt escape, and the Germans are responsible for preventing this, and it’s about respecting your opponent in this cat and mouse game. The Rolex Chronograph owned by the real life British officer (forget who) was recently auctioned. The amazing part was that the Officer ordered the Rolex or had to send it out for repair after getting captured, Rolex delivered the watch, and the German Commandant was so honorable that he let the British SAS Officer keep the watch when he could have kept it for himself. The watch was used to time on one of the tunnels and auctioned at Sotheby’s for 40,000£.
Just watched this the other day because of your recommendation, excellent film. Not gonna lie I laughed my ass off when he brought in the flak gun during the execution. Such dark humor.
The Beast of War, or The Beast as it became known in later years for some unknown reason. Very underrated anti war movie set in Afghanistan about a lost Russian tank being hunted by mujahideen. The story is being told from both perspectives. An Amazing forgotten war film.
TANK BOOOOOY! Fab film. One of those I stumbled across late at night and it drew me in- now it gets a rewatch from me every few years. Great cinematography, great score, great cast. The beleaguered, claustrophobic tank itself almost feels like a character by the end. That turd Fury could have learned something from The Beast.
British movie industry made shitload of great war movies in the 1950's. The Cruel Sea, Ice Cold in Alex, The Battle of the River Plate, The Dam Busters and The One That Got Away just to name a few...no graphic violence or F-bombs, but good storylines, solid acting and great characters.
@@mikavirtanen7029 All true. Also Dunkirk from 1958 with John Mills. Tells the real story of an army unit stuck in France and getting the order to retreat to Dunkirk. No fanciful nonsense added in like in the recent version.
John Mills won WWII, pretty much shows up on every front. Ice Cold in Alex is the best of those movies in my view, the scene where they are reverse cranking the ambulance up the sand dune is epic.
@@jonbaxter2254 yeah well 50% of the commanders in all wars lose what you gonna do eh? nature of the beast .. he did bloody good considering the opponent really couldnt lose .. rather they could lose 1000 times but hannibal couldnt afford to lose once eh?
5.Fury 4.Kellys Heros 3.The Great Escape ( shut up it is) 2.Saving Private Ryan 1.Platoon Honorable mentions go to, Black Hawk Down, A Bridge Too Far, Sink the Bismark! and 1917. Plus a spooky mention goes to Deathwatch starting Jamie Bell and Andy Serkis
@@MajorVanBloodnok Yea. If you like more logical and com bat realistic action, watch "unknwown soldier". The finns have all done their conscription, so they have a good idea on how things works.
I remember watching The Eagle has Landed with my dad a lot, and The Guns of Navarone was another weekend favourite, as for the more modern films, Danger Close about the Australians in Vietnam is also very good
My top 5: 1: Master and Commander 2: Black Hawk Down 3: A Bridge Too Far (Edit: Remembered this one too late, easily top 3 :)) 4: Letters of Iwo Jima 5: Glory If I had to go on, the following would be in a top 20: Force 10 of Navaronne, Kellys Heroes, Where Eagles Dare, Troy (extended), All Quiet on the Western front, Saving Private Ryan, The last of the Mohicans, Kingdom of Heaven (extended), Hacksaw Ridge, Braveheart, Waterloo, Max Manus, Den 12 Mann, Kongens Nei, The Patriot. Lots of other hounourable mentions though ;)
The Longest Day has to be in the top 5. so it's not utterly realistic in showing the horrors of war, but it's very realistic in just about every other way.such a well made film. A huge cast of major top flight stars in it, and I loved it that it was in black and white
best part of it was it was made with the assistance of thousands of actual witnesses from both sides, bloody few war films can say that :) its almost a documentary/testimony, its very close to the real thing, best as they could do, and cannot be ignored for anyone studying the real thing
@@markhill3858 very well said and this movie highlights the huge importance of the british which is largely ignored by us americans. I never get tired of watching it. one thing I was curious about when the germans were defending on top of some hotel, what a realistic scene, they were using some really cool anti aircraft guns. I didn't think the germans had such a thing so I looked it up and sure enough they were american naval anti aircraft guns. they had this cool sound to them. that was about the only thing in the entire movie that wasn't spot on accurate. Also loved the movie "A Bridge too long" oh I mean a Bridge too far. ha. it was a long movie but wow what a great movie again with tons of big stars in it and utterly realistic.
Loved when Drinker was talking about how movies like the Deer Hunter couldn't be made today. But then I remember movies like the Road and No Country for Old Men have been made recently. I still have some hope.
Will I mean No Country for Old Men was made 14 years ago and The Road 12 years ago. The political and social climate was different back then than it is now, so I can see where the Drinker is coming from.
Drinker, I’ve doing a deep dive on your open bars, but I saw this Happy Hour and had to watch. I love historical movies, especially war films from every period.
Point of contention, Patton’s pistols weren’t Pearl Handled, they were Ivory Handled. He once corrected a reporter who asked him about his Pearl Handled pistols, and Payton replied, “only a pimp in a New Orleans cathouse uses a Pearl Handled pistol, mine are God F@$king Ivory Handled!”
Drinker, have you seen "the Hill" with Sean Connery? Brilliant film. It takes place during WWII in a British military prison in N Africa. One of Connery's best performances.
When I was a kid I loved The Alamo. I don't even remember that movie, but my father had it on VHS, so I watched it like 2-3 times a day, until he had enough and recorded some other movie over it XD
Try "Paths of Glory" (1950s), "All Quiet on the Western Front (1930s version) and "Cross of Iron" (1960s). The first is still the most realistic WW1 movie ever with a very good script, the second is the best from the perspective of an individual conscript and the third is the most gripping whilst being very realistic (except for any scene with women in it)
The big red one was awesome. The member of the squad who is the narrator and aspiring author working on his war epic was played Robert Carradine of Revenge of the Nerds fame. Written and Directed by Samuel Fuller.
I'm glad you mentioned The Enemy Below as an Honorable Mention. This was my Dad's favorite movie. I didn't appreciate it as a kid or young adult but as I mature, I appreciate it more and more. Thanks, Dad for introducing me to it. Interesting Fact, Star Trek: TOS borrowed heavily from it in the episode where the Enterprise is following a cloaked Romulan Ship that is in Federation space heading home. The Curt Jurgens character is played by Mark Lenard.
Aye, I'm sure its a good Tarantino movie, if you like him, but as a war movie its an utter failure. If you want to watch alternate reality war movies you might as well watch Soviet war movies of the Stalinist era.
@@strafer8764 unhistorical it may be .. in fact its about 90% fantasy by weight, no argument :) there WAS a ww2 and there WERE ratzis and they DID have a problem with certain genetic subtypes of humanity, thats about as accurate as you can call it :) .. but Its still a bloody rockin war movie in my book :) Hells Bells you could say the same about Where Eagles Dare couldnt ya?
Great discussion. Just wanted to say I highly recommend you check out The Operations Room. They show missions and operations from history and break it down from top-down view. The reason I mention this is because of Black Hawk Down. They did a fantastic 2 part overview of the mission and how it went down. Highly recommend to any one to check it out.
“You can’t pick who falls from a chopper, who gets hit. It’s just war” Hoot, and the other delta force sergeant who fought with Steele constantly were GOAT.. oh Gordy, and randy too, went in to save their friend knowing they were prob going to die anyway. And knight, he never flinched, genius, he just reacted and did what needed to be done, ignored everything else... twambles and Nelson, going deaf
@@Brownie-ms6sv The Pacific, while good, doesn't stack up to BoB. Everything from the visuals of BoB, being mostly practical effects to the series following the same group of characters for the length of the series make it an easier to follow and more enjoyable experience, with it also looking more gritty and realistic, as well as the characters and actors being more believable in their roles. Despite The Pacific having more gore it came off as cartoony at times with the CG and with the way some of the characters are portrayed and how they look even and focus mid-series it breaks the continuity which BoB had. Both are very good, but BoB is among, if not the greatest mini-series of all time IMO.
@@Brownie-ms6sv I go back and forth on it. I’m glad I’ve seen The Pacific but don’t need to ever again, really. It lacks the story and structure of BoB, in addition to the mentioned quality and CGI issues
It should be noted that Lee Marvin was a Marine, wounded in action in the Pacific theater during WW2. Also, R. Lee Ermy was an actual Drill Sergeant during Vietnam. He based his lines on actual verbage commonly used then. He said it was so rough because they had shortened the training time, in order to get as many men in the field, as quickly as possible. The shorter the number of days, the harder the Drill Sergeants had to be on the men to get them prepared to face combat. As far has him being lightly built: "It's not the size of the dog in the fight. It's the size of the fight in the dog." The Napalm scene in 'We Were Soldiers' wasn't an accident. It was a "Broken Arrow" situation where their position was actively being overrun. Dropping the ordinance close to our lines was on purpose - because that's where the enemy was. Sizemore's character in 'Black Hawk Down' reminds me of the Ronald Spiers character in 'Band of Brothers.' He shows no fear because, as he tells a young, frightened soldier: "The only hope you have is to accept the fact that you're already dead. The sooner you accept that, the sooner you'll be able to function as a soldier...All war depends upon it." 'The Duelist' is one of my all time favorites. It is a gorgeous film, soft focus, saturated color, slightly urine and vignetted, like an old oil painting. Great story, well written and well acted. When 'Platoon' came out I asked a friend (who did 3 tours as a Marine in Vietnam) if it was accurate. He said he never encountered any such break in Military discipline - and he spent much of his time there humping through the jungle with a shotgun for close quarter combat, clearing V.C. tunnels. He always wore a Military cap around bearing a patch reading "Vietnam Hunting Club." lol
Europa: The Last Battle But if asked what my favorite Hollywood BS war movies would be.... We Were Soldiers Hacksaw Ridge Saving Private Ryan Black Hawk Down The Longest Day But Hacksaw and We Were Soldiers are totally interchangeable
Not sure what happened to the original upload but wanted to say this guest was really good! Please have him back, his charm and excitement are infectious as well as so knowledable.
Original upload was on "Critical Drinker" channel, reupload is on "Critical Drinker After Hours" channel. This is how Mr. Drinker is mostly doing it. But I also agree with your comment about Mr. Bro - this livestream was very interesting and so seems to be his channel as well
My grandfather served under Patton, and he told me he once witnessed a tank driving the wrong way, and Patton, seeing this from a jeep, started cursing and yelling at some private who just happened to be standing there, screaming "stop that tank! Get him back here now!" So this poor kid starts running alongside this tank, banging on the armor, completely useless, but he couldn't tell Patton "wtf am I meant to do?"
My favourite is The Wild Geese with Roger Moore, Richard Burton, Hardy Krüger and Richard Harris. It would probably be cancelled nowadays though since it deals with an African civil war and uses colourful language.
Sterling Hayden was great in Dr. Strangelove as Colonel Jack T. Ripper. His earlier career was spent mostly playing in a ton of low budget noir films as heavies as well as doomed protagonists. Later he would be known for playing the corrupt police chief that Michael Corleone kills at Louie's Italian Restaurant in The Godfather.
Apocalypse Now is, in my opinion, THE greatest war movie ever made. It may in fact be the best movie ever made, of any genre. It would easily make my top-three of favorite movies of all-time.
Yeah, Ermey was awesome. And he is pretty much the first and the last man to be promoted after leaving service. When he left service he was a sergeant but he was promoted outside the service to gunnery sergeant thanks to his efforts as an actor which enhanced enlistment numbers and the image of the service.
He got gut-shot in Vietnam and after recuperation was a DI, and I'm pretty sure he made Staff Sergeant. It was only after a lot of movie appearances and his stint as 'Gunny' on his TV program 'GunnyTime' about various firearms that the Marine Corps decided to honorarily promote him to Gunnery Sergeant. So that 'Gunny' could be a Gunny.
What's great about the 2 Delta Force snipers in BHD is that they were both awarded the Medal of Honor for their sacrifice, and the guy they were trying to save actually survived and is still alive now. His name is Michael Durant. He wrote a book about his experiences.
My Top 5 (before watching the video): 1. Where Eagles Dare, 2. The Longest Day, 3. Mosul, 4. Platoon, 5. Zulu. Honourable mentions go to War For The Planet Of the Apes, Waterloo, All's Quiet On The Western Front, Cross of Iron, and Full Metal Jacket.
All of these are trumped by Band of Brothers. Just rewatched, and it's just so incredible, especially given that it's all true. Honorable mention tho goes to Greyhound. Great film that really captured the chaos of the convoy strategy against the wolf packs.
Let me offer five that I don’t see mentioned at all or much: 1) MacArthur: A forgotten follow-up to “Patton.” Gregory Peck is brilliant as the General. 2) Red Dawn: Oddly, one of the more insightful movies about partisan warfare ever made. 3) Gettysburg: Lyrical and well-acted, could never be made today. 4) Lawrence of Arabia: Great writing, better performances Well, that’s four.
Lol. Red Dawn is on my short list of dumbest movies ever made. Gettysburg is written by Michael Shaara and based on his historical fiction novel The Killer Angels. Very good book and it amazes me how often I think of that book some 30 years after reading it.
A friend of mine was in the Rangers and was in the Battle of Mogadishu (Black Hawk Down). They fought for 36 hours and he still has shrapnel in his shoulder from the fight. He says that Black Hawk down is more or less how the whole thing went down and most of the characters are combinations of guys he knew or knew of...so he's kind of in the movie. He was the unit's radio operator. It's great to know Hollywood can get a story right once in a while and I'm glad to see Black Hawk Down on Drinker's list. And, yeah, my friend is one of those guys that wouldn't duck when gunfire or artillery shells are going off.
_Tora! Tora! Tora!_ --- it's a tiny bit surreal because it doesn't have any cursing, but it's an excellent telling of the Pearl Harbor saga from both Japanese and American viewpoints.
The other fun thing about Blackhawk Down is you had a cast that included Legolas (Orlando Bloom); Obi-Wan Kenobi (Ewan McGregor); Mad Max (Tom Hardy); Lucius Malfoy (Jason Isaacs); and Jamie Lannister (Nikolaj Coster-Waldau).
People watching this, consider taking a look at the german production "Unsere Mütter unsere Väter", rereleased as "Generation War". Its a movie about 5 german friends and their experiences within the second World War.
Operation Market Garden was one of Montgomery's biggest follies, and it was made worse by Montgomery allowing a massive german force to escape the Falaise pocket. In addition you had the massacre of polish paratroops in a german/english crossfire, the english were using the same ammo as the germans, so the germans were able to capture 1st division ammo drops and use them. As for Monty's rep, he had no part to play in the victory in North Africa. The defense of El Alamein was setup and planned out by the general Monty replaced, he had no part in it.
I'm part way in, but if Das Boot is not mentioned I will be sorely disappointed. Saw the director cut in theatres and that is by far my favorite next to saving Private Ryan. The sounds of the ASDEC radar still gives me chills, that whole search for them still almost makes me bite my nails.
@@davidallen3774 At my age ive seen many great scenes in a lot of war movies but that scene has to be the most impressive ive ever seen. Hands down. It never fails to fill me with awe.
The amount of real and working equipment they used in this movie is very impressive. I think half the British tanks are actual runners. The scene where Michael Caine drives down the line of tanks has some fibreglass statics to make up the numbers, but the rest were real.
As for modern, I appreciate that 13 Hours brought the guys in to consult, on top of having the book to work with. They later said it was as realistic as they could expect it to be.
As a 78 year old Vietnam combat veteran.. I've see a lot of combat. I would say that the top ww 2 is saving Private Ryan. Also Brad Pitt movie fury. As for the Vietnam it would be Rodger Stone platoon, and of course Apocalypse now. But realistic movie's aside I like Kelly's heros.
Fury sacrificed too much reality for flashy drama. Like the scene with the Tiger. In real life at the ranges they were at, the two 76mm M4s would've put APCBC rounds right through the Tigers glacis with absolutely no trouble at all. There wouldn't have been a need for a cross-field rush. 2 76mm M4s vs a Tiger = a dead Tiger. The 76mm M1 gun could kill a Tiger at like 1,900 yards or something silly like that, and that's not even counting the APCR rounds.. Also the whole "supply shortage" feel was unnecessary. We were talking April 1945. Weeks before the end of the war. We had more tanks over there than we knew what to do with. Supply units were begging the stateside armories to stop sending tanks because they had nowhere to put them. The like about "not being able to do anything about mechanical issues" is just another example of drama defeating realism. In reality, if they had a busted lugnut they could've gotten a new tank.. Let alone a new lugnut..
All excellent choices.I'd like to also add: Come & See Kingdom of Heaven (the director's cut, not the god awful theatrical version) Casualties of War (this film would never get made today) and Battle of Algiers
All Quiet on the Western Front, Waterloo, The Lost Battalion would be some additional recommendations I don't think see on a lot of peoples radar anymore.
Taegukgi, a Korean movie about the Korean War. Absolutely phenomenal, fantastic acting, and based in a true story. A remarkable film I highly recommend!
DA Dye, military consultant for Platoon, Saving Private Ryan as well as bit roles as generals colonels (he was "there will be a court martial" and also "in fact he's probably KIA and if you send a rescue mission they'll end up KIA too"). There's a great book called Citadel that was his account of the battle of Hue City as an embedded Marine journalist. He's also got a commentary track on the anniversary edition of Platoon, he points out a lot of little details that slip by the layman
Not sure it's really a "war movie" but the battle scenes are brilliant. Saw it in a movie theater and it sounded like the cannon balls were zooming over my head.
I'm well into my sixty's and as a youngster a lot of the men who I grew up with and looked up to were WWII vets. One of them was my beloved father who passed away at 96 yrs. old. I have to preface this by saying that my dad did respect overall the efforts of all the Alliance forces, so please NO ONE TAKE OFFENSE HERE!! However, one of the things I heard my dad say multiple times growing up was; "Yeah those Brits were a brave lot, they'd fight till the last American". Just a glimpse into how I think quite a few American vets felt.
Yeah, but your lot did take a long time to show up at all. We had been at war for more than 2 years by then. A quick google shows we lost 6% of UK military personnel and USA lost less than 2%.
I once saw a Russian made Move called "The 8 Companie" what is about the Soviet war in Afgahnistan. In my eyes a well done move and it was refreshing to see something like that from a Russian perspectiv. But me as a German fella, I would also recoment "The Downfall" of course and a Move from the early 90 what is simply called Stalingrad.
Perfect call on the Big Red One . Try some Russian movies Battle for Sevastopol, 9th Company , Siege of Leningrad, Panfilovs 28 , there is a TV series called Night Swallows - basically the night witches as you discussed.
Regarding Platoon, I remember seeing somewhere that during the village burning scene neither Dale Dye nor Oliver Stone could be on set. Both had bad memories of similar things happening.
R Lee Ermey was hired as a consultant. They had another actor for the D.I. roll. Was't delivering a good performance. Ermey stepped in unleashed a huge tirade AS AN EXAMPLE and Kubric said 'YOU are the D.I.'. The original actor became the helicopter gunner describing how you shoot women and children.
Blackhawk Down was done with a great mind to keep to what happened and it did a great job. I know some guys that were there, and some of them say they believe the movie did a better job than the book at keeping to what really happened. It is one of my favorite war movies as well. An outlier that I think is worth a watch as well, "The Blue Max".
I have Lawrence of Arabia on DVD. The intermission is actually on the DvD, so you have to fast forward through it. Lasts about 10 mins. I think maybe Spartacus or was it Ben Hur which also has it. Monty Python and the Holy Grail also has an intermission, but thats put in for comedic effect :P
In regards to a Bridge too Far. I visited to pay my respects, the kids look after the graves, the locals wouldn't let me pay for any beer or food. It's an amazing place and bejesus they love the British and are still thankful that we did our best
Since you both rate A Bridge Too Far so highly, you need to check out a movie called Theirs Is The Glory. It's about the battle of Arnhem and was made in 1946. What's unique about it is that all the men in the movie actually fought there. Its filmed on the actual battle sites which still had a lot of damage to the buildings. This movie might be considered one of the first docudramas. I highly recommend it.
Master & Commander. Not only is it incredibly historically accurate it's a period of history that's seldom touched on.
Absolutely!
It's so boring
Well no, it was a America ship they should.of been after
@@Constantine_IA absolutely agreed…barely watchable
If you liked the movie platoon I would recommend you read the 13th valley
The great thing about Danny McKnight is that he actually walked around commanding the convoy like that. I've read the book, and multiple witnesses were amazed at the way he walked around, not paying any attention to the gunfire around him. Tom Sizemore did his character a great service in that movie.
What I loved about Apocalypse Now was the huge contrast between Kilgore and the Do Lung bridge.
Kilgore and his men were in a Valhalla of sorts - Fighting by day, eating, drinking and surfing by night. Fallen soldiers (and even enemy VC) would be celebrated as heroes, and it's all cemented and tied with the Flight of the Valkyries.
The Do Lung bridge, however... Where souls are sent for eternal fighting in the dark, with no real chain of command, no one to look to, accompanied by the constant shootings, explosions and screams. The bridge was Purgatory, Pandemonium and Hell. Those serving there were the doomed and the damned. When the protagonist gets there, those doomed souls beg him to take them from this hell, only to be silently refused.
Its not a movie, but "The Pacific" will always be tops on my list of war movies or shows. I think it shows the absolute brutality of war, and the change in the psyche of those involved the best of any movie or show I have ever seen.
I recently just finished watching that one, those scenes in Okinawa...
My grandfather was at peleliu and Okinawa and that series have a glimpse of how awful that was. If you want to delve deeper into pacific a dude named Ian w toll wrote a trilogy of books about the whole war in the pacific and Dan Carlin just did a whole series about the pacific war. It is all amazing
I checked "With The Rare Breed" out of the local library shortly after Eugene Sledge passed away, and was surprised to see that he had signed that copy. Made reading it that much more moving.
I've been meaning to watch The Pacific because I'm a huge fan of Band of Brothers. I've seen clips but never watched it from beginning to end.
No one will pick this, but I go with "Siege Of Firebase Gloria."
Loved getting the viewpoint of both the Marine leader, R. Lee Ermy and his counterpart, the commanding officer of the large NVA force.
Never gets old watching it to this day. 😀
Fucking great movie
I love that movie. 😅😅 Its would definatly suck without R Lee Ermy in it though.
Gloria director Brian Trenchard-Smith also made 1995 remake of classic Humphrey Bogart war movie Sahara. For a relative low-budget television movie, it's surprisingly good, with James Belushi playing hard-boiled sarge in a rare non-comedic role.
this is a ripper. r lee ermy and wings hauser. fantastic. they pull out every cliche and trope but that's ok.
Master and Commander would be on my list purely for historical fiction and being a great movie
Toss in some Horatio Hornblower.
I agree.. I love the stories by Partick O'Brian... I have the audio books brilliantly narrated by Patrick Tull
God I love that movie
@@scatton61 I need to look that up
Master and Commander has some great historical elements and accuracy but ultimately turns into hollywood cheese at the end which always bothered me.
Something I loved about We Were Soldiers, which is one of my top 5 military films, was that it explored what the wives and families went through throughout those early battles as the military was not prepared for what happened.
Yes!
The movie got me interested in the real Hal Moore which in turn became a personal hero. His principles for leadership are outstanding.
My mom always says that she has customers who were in nam who say that movie is incredibly realistic
The napalm attack is harrowing and really well done
the book is outstanding. there is a scene were a wounded air cav soldier is waiting as the NVA are going thru the bodies and executing them. just as he is about to get killed, a ground attack jet wipes out the NVA. the soldier was quoted 'god bless all airmen'
Nicely done for including The Duelists! Highly recommend watching and reviewing this one Drinker. More people need to know about and watch this gem!
The Duellists is definitely one of the best movies I've ever seen, it's a must see.
Proper film. Easy to appreciate actors who have spent time learning how to fence instead of tippy tap each others sword.
Good call dude really good call a hit from hit and miss Ridley Scott
Cross of iron.
Saving private Ryan
Black hawk down
Zulu
Battle of Britain
But there’s still loads of good ones that easily could make a top 5
Neat to see someone mention Cross of Iron. Not in my top 5, but one everyone who loves the genre should see.
Hey, it's the guy who sometimes appears on the Lotus Eaters.
My top 5
1.) Saving Private Ryan
2.) Letters From Iwo Jima
3.) Black Hawk Down
4.) Platoon
5.) Apocalypse Now
Yeah because "Come and See" is not a War movie and not a Great one either.
I absolutely think Letters is a wonderful film - it has everything that Flags of our Fathers is lacking.
Not that Flags is a terrible movie, but I find myself disappointed every time I do watch it
Apocalypse now isn't necessarily a war movie that's grounded in any reality. Although a good watch its still Heart of Darkness in SE Asia rather than in Africa.
Saving Ryan's Privates is Spielbergian Schmaltz.... Made amazingly but all craft, no substance.
BHD is very good ... Nothing epic, groundbreaking or novel though... Besides Hoot letting us know what's important.
Platoon is a solid effort that was ruined by Stone's pathetic propaganda and fictional bias against the man and the mindset required to persevere in that conflict .... Barnes is Reality.
Mt list before watching....
1. Apocalypse Now
2. All Quiet on the Western Front (1931)
3. Saving Private Ryan
4. Cross of Iron
5. Paths of Glory
Honourable mentions to Kelly's Heroes, The Dirty Dozen, Dambusters and The Great Escape.
No 'Come and See' arguably the greatest war film
@@marcusmaher-triskellionfil5158 Oh man, I struggled with that one... sorry
When I was doing my infantry training we ended up watching one of the episodes of band of brothers, specifically for the trench clearing, and caping the German 88s
Same it was a textbook section in attack
It was textbook because that was Winter's first time clearing such a position. That it worked so well is still taught in most military academies.
E Z Company bro!!!
"Glory" is the story of the all black unit from Massachusetts, the battle was " The battle of the crater " which was AFTER Gettysburg...
The big battle in Glory is the Battle of Fort Wagner, which was 2 weeks after Gettysburg, the Crater was about a year after those battles.
Yes after Gettysburg, but not the Battle of the Crater,
- The Battle of Fort Wagner on July 18, 1863, was an unsuccessful assault led by the 54th Massachusetts, an African American infantry, famously depicted in the movie Glory. Fort Wagner is located on Morris Island in the Charleston Harbor, South Carolina.
- The Battle of the Crater was a battle of the American Civil War, part of the siege of Petersburg, Virginia.
Battle of the Crater is in Cold Mountain.
Lawrence of Arabia is also one of my all-time favorite movies; a perfect film. History Bro and I completely agree on David Lean's Lawrence as a truly amazing film. The recent UHD-4K release of Lawrence of Arabia looks incredible on my OLED TV! What a truly brilliant film!
My choice for #1. While Apocalypse Now shows the insanity seen by the MC, Lawrence shows the insanity experienced by the MC.
This was such a great stream. I always come back and rewatch it every 6 months or so just to get the chance to hear two war movie connoisseurs wax lyrical about some of the best ones of all time. Both of them habe great insights and i could hear them reminisce about these wonderful works of art all day. I really wish the History Bro came on other streams because his imput is trully fascinating and invaluable.
All great choices, if you haven’t seen The Captain… see it. True story, very dark, but also very humorous and does a great job portraying the absolute insanity of the twilight of the Nazi regime.
I’m a watch geek and I love the true story of the Great Escape where there’s an understanding between the German and British officers that the prisoners are required by Military code to attempt escape, and the Germans are responsible for preventing this, and it’s about respecting your opponent in this cat and mouse game. The Rolex Chronograph owned by the real life British officer (forget who) was recently auctioned. The amazing part was that the Officer ordered the Rolex or had to send it out for repair after getting captured, Rolex delivered the watch, and the German Commandant was so honorable that he let the British SAS Officer keep the watch when he could have kept it for himself. The watch was used to time on one of the tunnels and auctioned at Sotheby’s for 40,000£.
Just watched this the other day because of your recommendation, excellent film. Not gonna lie I laughed my ass off when he brought in the flak gun during the execution. Such dark humor.
Another great film for that era is the Scarlet & the Black
@@LucefieD Yeah, that's a oh shit hilarious but gnarly scene.
The fact that it's a true story makes it that much more insane.
The Beast of War, or The Beast as it became known in later years for some unknown reason. Very underrated anti war movie set in Afghanistan about a lost Russian tank being hunted by mujahideen. The story is being told from both perspectives. An Amazing forgotten war film.
9th Company is also very good.
TANK BOOOOOY! Fab film. One of those I stumbled across late at night and it drew me in- now it gets a rewatch from me every few years. Great cinematography, great score, great cast. The beleaguered, claustrophobic tank itself almost feels like a character by the end. That turd Fury could have learned something from The Beast.
The Cruel Sea (1953). The perfect British WWII naval movie. Shows the quiet, stoic courage of the British navy.
A great film. Quite brutal and realistic for its time.
Especially when Compass Rose gets sunk and the crew endure the freezing conditions.
British movie industry made shitload of great war movies in the 1950's. The Cruel Sea, Ice Cold in Alex, The Battle of the River Plate, The Dam Busters and The One That Got Away just to name a few...no graphic violence or F-bombs, but good storylines, solid acting and great characters.
@@mikavirtanen7029 All true. Also Dunkirk from 1958 with John Mills. Tells the real story of an army unit stuck in France and getting the order to retreat to Dunkirk. No fanciful nonsense added in like in the recent version.
John Mills won WWII, pretty much shows up on every front. Ice Cold in Alex is the best of those movies in my view, the scene where they are reverse cranking the ambulance up the sand dune is epic.
History Bro has some pretty great videos. His discussions with Sargon on Alexander, Phyrrus, Hannibal and Xenophon have been excellent.
Still makes me sad every time I hear about Hannibal
@@jonbaxter2254 yeah well 50% of the commanders in all wars lose what you gonna do eh? nature of the beast .. he did bloody good considering the opponent really couldnt lose .. rather they could lose 1000 times but hannibal couldnt afford to lose once eh?
5.Fury
4.Kellys Heros
3.The Great Escape ( shut up it is)
2.Saving Private Ryan
1.Platoon
Honorable mentions go to, Black Hawk Down, A Bridge Too Far, Sink the Bismark! and 1917. Plus a spooky mention goes to Deathwatch starting Jamie Bell and Andy Serkis
Fury is absolute dog shit. Das Boot should be n1
@@guitarjacob1237 Fury is basically a chore to get through.
@@MajorVanBloodnok Yea. If you like more logical and com bat realistic action, watch "unknwown soldier". The finns have all done their conscription, so they have a good idea on how things works.
Dunkirk anyone?
The Outpost is one of the best war films in a while,it’s easily the best War In Afghanistan movie.
A lot of people challenged Jake tappers narrative
It was good, but I liked "Lone Survivor", "Hyena Road", & "American Sniper" more.
@@LoneWolfRanging I don’t give a shit about him I just enjoyed the film for what it was.
I thought you meant Outpost the horror film haha
The beast 1988
For Medieval battle scenes, Branagh's Henry V really nails the brutality of it all, and the panning post-battle shot is a classic.
I remember watching The Eagle has Landed with my dad a lot, and The Guns of Navarone was another weekend favourite, as for the more modern films, Danger Close about the Australians in Vietnam is also very good
Does Danger close have a scene where American an Australian GIs are betting on a fight between a spider and a scorpion ?
@@robslowinski3085 um nope not in the version i watched
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My top 5:
1: Master and Commander
2: Black Hawk Down
3: A Bridge Too Far (Edit: Remembered this one too late, easily top 3 :))
4: Letters of Iwo Jima
5: Glory
If I had to go on, the following would be in a top 20: Force 10 of Navaronne, Kellys Heroes, Where Eagles Dare, Troy (extended), All Quiet on the Western front, Saving Private Ryan, The last of the Mohicans, Kingdom of Heaven (extended), Hacksaw Ridge, Braveheart, Waterloo, Max Manus, Den 12 Mann, Kongens Nei, The Patriot. Lots of other hounourable mentions though ;)
The Longest Day has to be in the top 5. so it's not utterly realistic in showing the horrors of war, but it's very realistic in just about every other way.such a well made film. A huge cast of major top flight stars in it, and I loved it that it was in black and white
Funny too. That scene where they just walk part each other because they were both looking up
best part of it was it was made with the assistance of thousands of actual witnesses from both sides, bloody few war films can say that :) its almost a documentary/testimony, its very close to the real thing, best as they could do, and cannot be ignored for anyone studying the real thing
@@markhill3858 very well said and this movie highlights the huge importance of the british which is largely ignored by us americans. I never get tired of watching it. one thing I was curious about when the germans were defending on top of some hotel, what a realistic scene, they were using some really cool anti aircraft guns. I didn't think the germans had such a thing so I looked it up and sure enough they were american naval anti aircraft guns. they had this cool sound to them. that was about the only thing in the entire movie that wasn't spot on accurate. Also loved the movie "A Bridge too long" oh I mean a Bridge too far. ha. it was a long movie but wow what a great movie again with tons of big stars in it and utterly realistic.
@@fredgarv79 I like to point to that one for "See Hopkins didnt start as Hannibal Lector he was a star for a long time :)"
It was actually shot in colour and displayed in black and white. There was a special edition VHS in colour that is hard to come by.
Loved when Drinker was talking about how movies like the Deer Hunter couldn't be made today. But then I remember movies like the Road and No Country for Old Men have been made recently. I still have some hope.
Will I mean No Country for Old Men was made 14 years ago and The Road 12 years ago. The political and social climate was different back then than it is now, so I can see where the Drinker is coming from.
Drinker, I’ve doing a deep dive on your open bars, but I saw this Happy Hour and had to watch. I love historical movies, especially war films from every period.
Point of contention, Patton’s pistols weren’t Pearl Handled, they were Ivory Handled. He once corrected a reporter who asked him about his Pearl Handled pistols, and Payton replied, “only a pimp in a New Orleans cathouse uses a Pearl Handled pistol, mine are God F@$king Ivory Handled!”
yea they cleaned it up a bit for the movie.
Drinker, have you seen "the Hill" with Sean Connery?
Brilliant film. It takes place during WWII in a British military prison in N Africa.
One of Connery's best performances.
Oh I forgot about that, looks like I have something to watch on bank holiday Monday
I don't know that one, ill give it a go.
Probably Connery’s best film in my view.
@@somebloke757 Yes, agreed, with "The Offence" as well but that's off topic for this video.
Yesh
When I was a kid I loved The Alamo. I don't even remember that movie, but my father had it on VHS, so I watched it like 2-3 times a day, until he had enough and recorded some other movie over it XD
Try "Paths of Glory" (1950s), "All Quiet on the Western Front (1930s version) and "Cross of Iron" (1960s). The first is still the most realistic WW1 movie ever with a very good script, the second is the best from the perspective of an individual conscript and the third is the most gripping whilst being very realistic (except for any scene with women in it)
13 Hours for me is my number one. I've probably watched it at least 15 times. Heroic.
The big red one was awesome. The member of the squad who is the narrator and aspiring author working on his war epic was played Robert Carradine of Revenge of the Nerds fame. Written and Directed by Samuel Fuller.
I'm glad you mentioned The Enemy Below as an Honorable Mention. This was my Dad's favorite movie. I didn't appreciate it as a kid or young adult but as I mature, I appreciate it more and more. Thanks, Dad for introducing me to it. Interesting Fact, Star Trek: TOS borrowed heavily from it in the episode where the Enterprise is following a cloaked Romulan Ship that is in Federation space heading home. The Curt Jurgens character is played by Mark Lenard.
Seeing Inglorious Basterds there in the thumbnail as part of a "Greatest War Movies" already made me nauseous.
Aye, I'm sure its a good Tarantino movie, if you like him, but as a war movie its an utter failure. If you want to watch alternate reality war movies you might as well watch Soviet war movies of the Stalinist era.
It’s a good movie but yea I wouldn’t go comparing it to Saving Private Ryan.
@@strafer8764 unhistorical it may be .. in fact its about 90% fantasy by weight, no argument :) there WAS a ww2 and there WERE ratzis and they DID have a problem with certain genetic subtypes of humanity, thats about as accurate as you can call it :) .. but Its still a bloody rockin war movie in my book :) Hells Bells you could say the same about Where Eagles Dare couldnt ya?
@@strafer8764 SPR has no business in a top 20 as well....
@@idrathergetaidsthangetwoke9145 I guess I haven’t seen the best war ones then.
Great discussion. Just wanted to say I highly recommend you check out The Operations Room. They show missions and operations from history and break it down from top-down view. The reason I mention this is because of Black Hawk Down. They did a fantastic 2 part overview of the mission and how it went down. Highly recommend to any one to check it out.
Black Hawk Down is currently my fave
This is our War, not yours...
“You can’t pick who falls from a chopper, who gets hit. It’s just war”
Hoot, and the other delta force sergeant who fought with Steele constantly were GOAT.. oh Gordy, and randy too, went in to save their friend knowing they were prob going to die anyway. And knight, he never flinched, genius, he just reacted and did what needed to be done, ignored everything else... twambles and Nelson, going deaf
Paths Of Glory is so overlooked as an all time great war film. It’s not the most action packed but it’s just a beauty of a movie
Any chance of a Band of Brothers series review? I've watch it every 3 or 4 years and I'm still blown away and enthralled by the quality.
The companion series The Pacific is worth a look too if you like BoB that much.
@@Brownie-ms6sv The Pacific, while good, doesn't stack up to BoB. Everything from the visuals of BoB, being mostly practical effects to the series following the same group of characters for the length of the series make it an easier to follow and more enjoyable experience, with it also looking more gritty and realistic, as well as the characters and actors being more believable in their roles. Despite The Pacific having more gore it came off as cartoony at times with the CG and with the way some of the characters are portrayed and how they look even and focus mid-series it breaks the continuity which BoB had.
Both are very good, but BoB is among, if not the greatest mini-series of all time IMO.
@@Loose89 I agree it's not up to the same level as BoB, few tv shows are, but it's still worth watching imo.
@@Brownie-ms6sv I go back and forth on it. I’m glad I’ve seen The Pacific but don’t need to ever again, really. It lacks the story and structure of BoB, in addition to the mentioned quality and CGI issues
It should be noted that Lee Marvin was a Marine, wounded in action in the Pacific theater during WW2. Also, R. Lee Ermy was an actual Drill Sergeant during Vietnam. He based his lines on actual verbage commonly used then. He said it was so rough because they had shortened the training time, in order to get as many men in the field, as quickly as possible. The shorter the number of days, the harder the Drill Sergeants had to be on the men to get them prepared to face combat. As far has him being lightly built: "It's not the size of the dog in the fight. It's the size of the fight in the dog." The Napalm scene in 'We Were Soldiers' wasn't an accident. It was a "Broken Arrow" situation where their position was actively being overrun. Dropping the ordinance close to our lines was on purpose - because that's where the enemy was. Sizemore's character in 'Black Hawk Down' reminds me of the Ronald Spiers character in 'Band of Brothers.' He shows no fear because, as he tells a young, frightened soldier: "The only hope you have is to accept the fact that you're already dead. The sooner you accept that, the sooner you'll be able to function as a soldier...All war depends upon it." 'The Duelist' is one of my all time favorites. It is a gorgeous film, soft focus, saturated color, slightly urine and vignetted, like an old oil painting. Great story, well written and well acted. When 'Platoon' came out I asked a friend (who did 3 tours as a Marine in Vietnam) if it was accurate. He said he never encountered any such break in Military discipline - and he spent much of his time there humping through the jungle with a shotgun for close quarter combat, clearing V.C. tunnels. He always wore a Military cap around bearing a patch reading "Vietnam Hunting Club." lol
Lee Marvin made that movie for me.
Lawrence of Arabia (1962)
Spartacus (1960)
The Great Escape (1963)
Twelve O'Clock High (1949)
The Dirty Dozen (1967)
The Hill starring Sean Connery, set in a WW2 Army prison camp. Amazing performances by everyone involved.
Europa: The Last Battle
But if asked what my favorite Hollywood BS war movies would be....
We Were Soldiers
Hacksaw Ridge
Saving Private Ryan
Black Hawk Down
The Longest Day
But Hacksaw and We Were Soldiers are totally interchangeable
Another WW2 film that I really enjoy watching is Von Ryan's Express starring old Blue eyes Frank Sinatra along with a stellar cast of actors.🤩😎💯👌👍
Run Von Ryan!
Not sure what happened to the original upload but wanted to say this guest was really good! Please have him back, his charm and excitement are infectious as well as so knowledable.
Original upload was on "Critical Drinker" channel, reupload is on "Critical Drinker After Hours" channel. This is how Mr. Drinker is mostly doing it. But I also agree with your comment about Mr. Bro - this livestream was very interesting and so seems to be his channel as well
I woke up half drunk/hang over Monday night... (I'm Mexican) thought ot was a Documentary cuz of his voice!
Black Hawk Down
The Outpost
Saving Private Ryan
We Were Soldiers
A Bridge Too Far
Are my top 5 war movies.
My grandfather served under Patton, and he told me he once witnessed a tank driving the wrong way, and Patton, seeing this from a jeep, started cursing and yelling at some private who just happened to be standing there, screaming "stop that tank! Get him back here now!" So this poor kid starts running alongside this tank, banging on the armor, completely useless, but he couldn't tell Patton "wtf am I meant to do?"
My favourite is The Wild Geese with Roger Moore, Richard Burton, Hardy Krüger and Richard Harris. It would probably be cancelled nowadays though since it deals with an African civil war and uses colourful language.
Interesting thing it also had one of Mad Mike's mercenaries Ian Yule in the movie.
If you're including Aliens you have to throw "Starship Troopers" in there.
Sterling Hayden was great in Dr. Strangelove as Colonel Jack T. Ripper. His earlier career was spent mostly playing in a ton of low budget noir films as heavies as well as doomed protagonists. Later he would be known for playing the corrupt police chief that Michael Corleone kills at Louie's Italian Restaurant in The Godfather.
Apocalypse Now is, in my opinion, THE greatest war movie ever made. It may in fact be the best movie ever made, of any genre. It would easily make my top-three of favorite movies of all-time.
The Longest Day remains my favorite war movie…had all the stars of the day in it, give it a watch if you haven’t! I also love Full Metal Jacket!
Love it. Henry Fonda as Teddy Roosevelt Jr. really hits home, and The Duke is great as always, even on a cart.
Yeah, Ermey was awesome. And he is pretty much the first and the last man to be promoted after leaving service. When he left service he was a sergeant but he was promoted outside the service to gunnery sergeant thanks to his efforts as an actor which enhanced enlistment numbers and the image of the service.
He got gut-shot in Vietnam and after recuperation was a DI, and I'm pretty sure he made Staff Sergeant. It was only after a lot of movie appearances and his stint as 'Gunny' on his TV program 'GunnyTime' about various firearms that the Marine Corps decided to honorarily promote him to Gunnery Sergeant. So that 'Gunny' could be a Gunny.
What's great about the 2 Delta Force snipers in BHD is that they were both awarded the Medal of Honor for their sacrifice, and the guy they were trying to save actually survived and is still alive now. His name is Michael Durant. He wrote a book about his experiences.
Dualists is a great movie. Wonderful and unexpected pick. Well done a must see and review for the Drinker.
My Top 5 (before watching the video):
1. Where Eagles Dare,
2. The Longest Day,
3. Mosul,
4. Platoon,
5. Zulu.
Honourable mentions go to War For The Planet Of the Apes, Waterloo, All's Quiet On The Western Front, Cross of Iron, and Full Metal Jacket.
All of these are trumped by Band of Brothers. Just rewatched, and it's just so incredible, especially given that it's all true.
Honorable mention tho goes to Greyhound. Great film that really captured the chaos of the convoy strategy against the wolf packs.
The Duellists is a truly beautiful film.
Worth 2 hours of any reasonable person's time...
Let me offer five that I don’t see mentioned at all or much:
1) MacArthur: A forgotten follow-up to “Patton.” Gregory Peck is brilliant as the General.
2) Red Dawn: Oddly, one of the more insightful movies about partisan warfare ever made.
3) Gettysburg: Lyrical and well-acted, could never be made today.
4) Lawrence of Arabia: Great writing, better performances
Well, that’s four.
Lol. Red Dawn is on my short list of dumbest movies ever made.
Gettysburg is written by Michael Shaara and based on his historical fiction novel The Killer Angels. Very good book and it amazes me how often I think of that book some 30 years after reading it.
@@JH-pt6ih Which one, the original Red Dawn, or the remake?
@@spacedinosaur8733 Original. Haven’t seen the remake.
A friend of mine was in the Rangers and was in the Battle of Mogadishu (Black Hawk Down). They fought for 36 hours and he still has shrapnel in his shoulder from the fight. He says that Black Hawk down is more or less how the whole thing went down and most of the characters are combinations of guys he knew or knew of...so he's kind of in the movie. He was the unit's radio operator. It's great to know Hollywood can get a story right once in a while and I'm glad to see Black Hawk Down on Drinker's list. And, yeah, my friend is one of those guys that wouldn't duck when gunfire or artillery shells are going off.
'Coronel! They're shooting at us!"
"Well shoot back!"
Last movie that I remember having an intermission was The Deer Hunter, and that came out in 1978
_Tora! Tora! Tora!_ --- it's a tiny bit surreal because it doesn't have any cursing, but it's an excellent telling of the Pearl Harbor saga from both Japanese and American viewpoints.
The other fun thing about Blackhawk Down is you had a cast that included Legolas (Orlando Bloom); Obi-Wan Kenobi (Ewan McGregor); Mad Max (Tom Hardy); Lucius Malfoy (Jason Isaacs); and Jamie Lannister (Nikolaj Coster-Waldau).
@@JustinK808 Only saw that movie once a thousand years ago. Completely forgot Legolas and Ang Lee Hulk were in it.
Paths of Glory is not just one of my favorite war movies, but one of my favorite movies altogether.
People watching this, consider taking a look at the german production "Unsere Mütter unsere Väter", rereleased as "Generation War". Its a movie about 5 german friends and their experiences within the second World War.
I'd recommend 'heartbreak ridge'. Basically the Clint take on Full Metal Jacket. Great film.
Operation Market Garden was one of Montgomery's biggest follies, and it was made worse by Montgomery allowing a massive german force to escape the Falaise pocket. In addition you had the massacre of polish paratroops in a german/english crossfire, the english were using the same ammo as the germans, so the germans were able to capture 1st division ammo drops and use them.
As for Monty's rep, he had no part to play in the victory in North Africa. The defense of El Alamein was setup and planned out by the general Monty replaced, he had no part in it.
I'm part way in, but if Das Boot is not mentioned I will be sorely disappointed. Saw the director cut in theatres and that is by far my favorite next to saving Private Ryan. The sounds of the ASDEC radar still gives me chills, that whole search for them still almost makes me bite my nails.
The parachute invasion scene from A Bridge to far is the best I've ever seen. So many extras. So many real planes.
And real paratroopers. All the extras that did the jump sequences were members of the Parachute Regiment
@@davidallen3774 At my age ive seen many great scenes in a lot of war movies but that scene has to be the most impressive ive ever seen. Hands down. It never fails to fill me with awe.
The amount of real and working equipment they used in this movie is very impressive. I think half the British tanks are actual runners. The scene where Michael Caine drives down the line of tanks has some fibreglass statics to make up the numbers, but the rest were real.
No way it's better than the Klendathu drop
@@captnwinkle CGI is the death of great cinema.
As for modern, I appreciate that 13 Hours brought the guys in to consult, on top of having the book to work with. They later said it was as realistic as they could expect it to be.
History Bro is such a lovely person, he seems to love history
Hopper and Brando's dialog and performances are examples of trying to make sense out of chaos.
As a 78 year old Vietnam combat veteran.. I've see a lot of combat. I would say that the top ww 2 is saving Private Ryan. Also Brad Pitt movie fury. As for the Vietnam it would be Rodger Stone platoon, and of course Apocalypse now. But realistic movie's aside I like Kelly's heros.
Fury was awesome but last scene sucked, too unrealistic. Now, Starship Troopers, totally reall.
As a Mexican, thanks for your service sir!
I would like to hear your thoughts on the first half of Full Metal Jacket
@@kwazhims3lf.. the entire movie was crap..
Fury sacrificed too much reality for flashy drama. Like the scene with the Tiger. In real life at the ranges they were at, the two 76mm M4s would've put APCBC rounds right through the Tigers glacis with absolutely no trouble at all. There wouldn't have been a need for a cross-field rush. 2 76mm M4s vs a Tiger = a dead Tiger. The 76mm M1 gun could kill a Tiger at like 1,900 yards or something silly like that, and that's not even counting the APCR rounds..
Also the whole "supply shortage" feel was unnecessary. We were talking April 1945. Weeks before the end of the war. We had more tanks over there than we knew what to do with. Supply units were begging the stateside armories to stop sending tanks because they had nowhere to put them. The like about "not being able to do anything about mechanical issues" is just another example of drama defeating realism. In reality, if they had a busted lugnut they could've gotten a new tank.. Let alone a new lugnut..
@@wun1gee nice points and totally agree. At least the girl had her las egg
All excellent choices.I'd like to also add:
Come & See
Kingdom of Heaven (the director's cut, not the god awful theatrical version)
Casualties of War (this film would never get made today) and
Battle of Algiers
The British had a device called the Piatt, shown in Anthony Hopkin's fight for the Arnhem bridge.
All Quiet on the Western Front, Waterloo, The Lost Battalion would be some additional recommendations I don't think see on a lot of peoples radar anymore.
Taegukgi, a Korean movie about the Korean War. Absolutely phenomenal, fantastic acting, and based in a true story. A remarkable film I highly recommend!
DA Dye, military consultant for Platoon, Saving Private Ryan as well as bit roles as generals colonels (he was "there will be a court martial" and also "in fact he's probably KIA and if you send a rescue mission they'll end up KIA too"). There's a great book called Citadel that was his account of the battle of Hue City as an embedded Marine journalist.
He's also got a commentary track on the anniversary edition of Platoon, he points out a lot of little details that slip by the layman
A Happy Hour right before Halloween where you discuss war movies!? Consider my expectations subverted.
1. Come and See (winner by a mile)
2. The Thin Red Line
3. Operation Daybreak
4. Three Kings
5. Das Boot
My non WW2 list would be:
1.Black Hawk Down
2.Gettysburg (1993 with Martin Sheen)
3. Zulu
4. The Crossing
5. Master and Commander
Master & Commander is such an underrated movie.
Not sure it's really a "war movie" but the battle scenes are brilliant. Saw it in a movie theater and it sounded like the cannon balls were zooming over my head.
@@georgeedward1226 It is a war movie.
I havent seen the crossing to my recollection, but based on my agree entirely with you list I should.
I was waiting to see someone else mention Gettysburg. A brilliant film that couldn’t be made today.
I'm well into my sixty's and as a youngster a lot of the men who I grew up with and looked up to were WWII vets. One of them was my beloved father who passed away at 96 yrs. old. I have to preface this by saying that my dad did respect overall the efforts of all the Alliance forces, so please NO ONE TAKE OFFENSE HERE!! However, one of the things I heard my dad say multiple times growing up was; "Yeah those Brits were a brave lot, they'd fight till the last American". Just a glimpse into how I think quite a few American vets felt.
Yeah, but your lot did take a long time to show up at all. We had been at war for more than 2 years by then. A quick google shows we lost 6% of UK military personnel and USA lost less than 2%.
I once saw a Russian made Move called "The 8 Companie" what is about the Soviet war in Afgahnistan. In my eyes a well done move and it was refreshing to see something like that from a Russian perspectiv. But me as a German fella, I would also recoment "The Downfall" of course and a Move from the early 90 what is simply called Stalingrad.
Perfect call on the Big Red One . Try some Russian movies Battle for Sevastopol, 9th Company , Siege of Leningrad, Panfilovs 28 , there is a TV series called Night Swallows - basically the night witches as you discussed.
No mentions of the 1993 Stalingrad eh? Seems not enough people know about it, its probably my favorite
Paths of Glory with Kirk Douglas is one of my all time favorites, the acting is absolutely phenomenal.
Regarding Platoon, I remember seeing somewhere that during the village burning scene neither Dale Dye nor Oliver Stone could be on set. Both had bad memories of similar things happening.
Come And See is an outstanding film. Some of the selections were a little too "Hollywood" and obvious. Great show though
You can talk half way around the world with a 1/4 watt radio. They had those in WW2. They were just a one frequency unit
R Lee Ermey was hired as a consultant. They had another actor for the D.I. roll. Was't delivering a good performance. Ermey stepped in unleashed a huge tirade AS AN EXAMPLE and Kubric said 'YOU are the D.I.'. The original actor became the helicopter gunner describing how you shoot women and children.
Blackhawk Down was done with a great mind to keep to what happened and it did a great job. I know some guys that were there, and some of them say they believe the movie did a better job than the book at keeping to what really happened. It is one of my favorite war movies as well.
An outlier that I think is worth a watch as well, "The Blue Max".
I agree 100% with History Bro on The Duelists, especially during the scenes during the Retreat from Moscow.
I have Lawrence of Arabia on DVD. The intermission is actually on the DvD, so you have to fast forward through it. Lasts about 10 mins. I think maybe Spartacus or was it Ben Hur which also has it. Monty Python and the Holy Grail also has an intermission, but thats put in for comedic effect :P
12 Oclock high..with Gregory Peck. He is amazing in that film.
The Killing Fields worth an honorable mention. Band of Brothers is of course tier one. Act of Valor also worth the realistic mention.
In regards to a Bridge too Far. I visited to pay my respects, the kids look after the graves, the locals wouldn't let me pay for any beer or food. It's an amazing place and bejesus they love the British and are still thankful that we did our best
Since you both rate A Bridge Too Far so highly, you need to check out a movie called Theirs Is The Glory. It's about the battle of Arnhem and was made in 1946. What's unique about it is that all the men in the movie actually fought there. Its filmed on the actual battle sites which still had a lot of damage to the buildings. This movie might be considered one of the first docudramas. I highly recommend it.
Not a real contender for "The Greatest", For Me Gallipoli is always top 3 brilliant, brilliant film