"we know they are lying. They know they are lying. They know that we know they are lying. We know that they know that we know they are lying. And still they continue to lie." -Alexander Solzhenitsyn
Lol Zelenzky of Ukraine now also knows and says many people are lying, at the expense of his country's safety, and guess whom? 🤡
不得不說這位李梓敬議員反應很快,主持人丟出來的問題他都能接的很漂亮甚至再丟回去給他,令人驚嘆
但最令人驚嘆的還是這位李議員可以這樣一臉正經的講幹話,著實令小弟弟們佩服。
可怕的就是香港有這麼一幫沒有良知恬不知恥的人
If you can not debate him on each issue with facts, he has to be "shameless".
只要自己不尷尬,尷尬的就是別人
一个认为稳定的香港更符合自己的利益,一个认为动乱的香港更符合自己的利益,自己的老百姓都关心不够,还要关心他国的百姓,真是道德高尚,这么高尚,直接捐点钱,直接允许无条件移民不就好了?
Don't think he will invite Dominic to the interview again, all his questions and insinuations were smashed to pieces by Dominic!
They are just talking past each other, like a “good” debate in a democratic election
世界已經一分為二, 同樣事物, 兩群人看到的竟是兩個完全不同的對立面
@@hokanlie8275 這反映中國沒有民主自由,只有支持聲音,打壓反對聲音,美國人對政府不滿,顯示有支持和反對聲音,而且政府可以有不同政黨交替,所以有民主
各提問時間點
0:06 如何形容香港的政治制度
1:02 香港還有民主嗎
2:13 香港還是一國兩制嗎
3:19 如何看待立法會投票率
5:16 香港人還相信有多元聲音嗎
6:32 如何看待政治人士入獄
7:31 國安法有否影響言論自由及政治自主
9:30 香港是警察國家嗎
10:58 如何看待黎智英入獄
12:17 如何看待觸犯國安法的行為
13:48 香港還有學術自由嗎
15:11 香港有否以言入罪
16:08 能說出「天安門廣場大屠殺」嗎
17:12 如何看待香港人對中國人的身份認同
18:56 如何看待移民數字
20:12 香港還有營商自由嗎
21:39 中國有宗教自由嗎
@重心指數 在新中国,共产党一个县的杀人指标都上万,看谁杀的人多。
共产党害死几千万中国人,共产党还害死国家主席刘少奇、彭德怀、林彪、陈毅、贺龙、高岗、饶漱石、陶铸等。
在共产党恐怖统治下,中国国家主席、同几千万中国人都被共产党下毒手害死。共产党把屠刀已经对准香港人,香港人要小心。
Great job, Dominic .
Next time, the interviewer needs to speak Chinese, mandarin or Cantonese is OK.
The only part that people in Hong Kong and America share the same is that they could both criticize the US president.
agree, Your statement is ironic.
But there are exceptions, As China seeks to improve relations with the United States.
at this time, Hong Kong cannot criticize the US president.
For example, Trump won the election, China has remained silent as the U.S. president is about to take office. The reason is that China is trying to figure out how to deal with Trump.
@@user-gy1uh5rv6z Are you kidding? "China seeks to improve relationship with the US"? China doesn't even want to answer US's request for conversation. The US officials have been rejected a couple of times and China reluctantly took part in a few. The fact is: The US badly needs China to solve its internal problems, where China doesn't care at all.
@@snooker9773 No, I'm serious. Did you know that China has recently re-examined the previous rationing system of grain, vegetables and meat ? This is in response to the U.S.-China trade war and a shortage of foreign exchange, which could affect Chinese purchases of rice from foreign countries. But many life-saving drugs in the United States are produced in China.
@@snooker9773 I don't think you understand China, no, you don't understand the CCP, they are good at strategy and struggle. Alaska talks, Chinese representatives blame the United States. Later, some media revealed that China ordered a batch of passenger planes from the United States before the meeting to make up for the trade imbalance between China and the United States.
Seems you dun even read the news about HK, but it’s not your fault as “Two of the city’s news outlets, Stand News and Citizen News, have been recently closed” oh, actually three including apple daily
There’s a Chinese saying: When you’re thick skinned/ shameless, you’re invincible!
HK rioters are thick skinned, now they are in jailed ashamed and defeated.
这个支持人真的不是很礼貌,强行打断别人说话
Well said, Dominic.
一邊在扼死你
一邊說你仍未死
有群幫兇還在抱怨你挣扎甚麼
2 of my friends moved to Uk and came back already! Few months only and they had enough in UK
在香港,人民可以因自由意志,進行對於不公事務抗議。
在香港,人民可以因行政首長,乃至國家主席作為,公開責難。
#是的 #在夢裡可以 #或牢籠裡
謝謝西門先生,完美示範何謂厚顏無恥、指鹿為馬。精彩精彩!👏👏
@@lschyt是非自有公論,公道自在人心。搜索歷史真相固然沒錯,但不代表下令屠殺的人,所做的一切就對。
我是不是個正常人,由你說的算。但我百分百肯定的是,只要是正常人就不會支持殘害手無寸鐵平民的行為。講完。
因為他們有不同的利益 所以他們的觀點完全不同。這個世界上沒有一個人是完全中立的 我們都被自己看到的接觸到事物所蒙蔽。同樣的 世界沒有絕對的好和不好 只有是否適合自己。李議員自己有生意在內地 BBC是一個西方媒體 大家都用不同的角度在看世界。
李議員其實不應該說香港享有與美國一樣的自由。這個太假了。應該說 就算香港沒有西方民主和自由又如何 難道現在的日子不是比2019年更太平嗎 難道只有西式民主才令這個城市更好嗎?他太激動了,反而令這個辯論變得好似 家庭主婦係街市買餸咁。
2019年要是有民主那就太平了,修訂草案早在議會被否決,不用人們示威。
很多人就是不了解民主是可以替代暴力革命推翻政權的。中國歷史上往往需用到暴力手段推翻暴政,但民主制度下以選票就能推翻。
政府不管民意,自然有示威發生。而且不反映民意的政府沒有認授性,人民也不服。故此,由人民選出的政府至少具備認授性,他們也較願服從。
辯論重來就不是為了說服對方的,是用來喚醒觀眾的,但是,裝睡的觀眾永遠都喚不醒
人家是双标怪,自己问题一堆不说,总是强调别人问题。这个主持人从头到尾都是在用一种攻击性的言辞,没有事实证据支撑的指责以及西方固有的傲慢在说话,BBC如果能够客观看待中国的发展和现状,那么就不是BBC了。
@@user-of4tl8bt6s 徐州8个孩子的妈妈,被狗链拴着,被打得只剩2颗牙,被拐卖,被禁锢、被几个人强奸,8个孩子的父亲不知道是谁。在共产党恐怖统治下,拐卖妇女儿童的事件成千上万,这都是共产党统治中国的伟大成就。
@@user-mi2bb9bd1l 你是用膀胱看問題嗎?美,英等西方國家也發生過類似事件,你怎麼不放屁?說的好像共產黨包庇拐賣犯人似的,在中國拐賣婦女,兒童是重罪 要判刑十年以上甚至死刑。
Very good comedy. Had very good fun for 20 minutes. Good job!!
李梓敬好嘢!
The debate was wonderful, and both sides were polite, without interrupting the other at will.
It's interesting that the interviewer mentions the fact that the interviewee was educated in the U.S. That's great, It's the people who are educated in, and argue with the "West" that makes the conversation interesting.
@@lobonoxxxx shame for what? Who are you? I'm sure you are chinese too right? Has the brits fed propaganda to you and your family pre 97?
李梓敬真是好样的!以准确的数字丶真实的情况完美KO了BBC主持人!正义永远立於不败之地,这是永恒的真理。
@@hosir6652 樹大有枯枝,族大有乞兒,什麼教堂,佛廟,道觀, 教埸,有錯違規,危害國家,禍害人民,就要清拆受罸。在中國,天主教沒有免死金牌!
这个主持人是知道装不懂,其实就是西方一贯的无礼和傲慢而已,人家根本不关心事实对错,只要我喜欢的,不论怎么样都是对的,哪怕杀人放火,只要不是在英国,都是捍卫“民主自由的人权卫士”
看过下面很多的评论有感,这场辩论就好像有个英国人提醒你屎拉裤子上拉,结果你却质问对方美国人也有屎拉裤子上的为什么我不能?香港有这样不知羞耻的建制派真是很棒,市民们敲锣打鼓欢天喜地准备迎接社会主义铁拳,至于美国到底怎么样真的不需要香港人操心。最后说回香港,其唯一的作用就是外资的传送带和大陆官商的洗钱通道而已,美国让美金和港币彻底脱钩的那天将会是香港的末日。
之前, 我們可以隨便批評政府.
現在, 根據國安法 : " 導致他人對政府不滿, 引起他人對政權仇恨 " ! 隨時受到指控 !!!!!!
阿西莫夫的《基地与地球》
當文明離開的時候,原本有秩序的世界,逐漸變成只剩暴力的蠻荒之地.
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香港過去在發生重大事件後.都會成立一個調查委員會..
例如..西環煤氣鼓爆炸..旭龢道冧山泥..蘭桂坊事件..嘉利大廈事件等等..
希望反送中事件也如是
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前事不忘 後事之師👍
03:14 Dominic Lee said "I don't wanna agree with you" instead of I don't agree with you. That tells you, deep down he doesn't even believe what he say.
最後的宗教問題應該由徐錦堯神父解答,他熱愛中國更在國內傳道很多年。
6:06 他們沒有被取消資格, 只是人直接被"取消"而已
他們因為自己瘋癲狂妄的反華言行被取消資格,一個仇恨中國香港的人並沒有資格代表普遍香港人,而且大部份這些人從2014至2019年都有份破壞立法會,並有份癲覆香港社會。
挺強,頭腦清楚,反應快,並看似有文有路,有論點,是個優秀的壞人。
Bad guys are those who did illegal things in the streets of HK in the black riot in 2019.
也沒錯!自由程度沒差別只是自由後有罪跟沒罪的差別而已
即便这位巧舌如簧,运用了很多数据对比,和新加坡和美国比。但是还是改变不了现状,改变不了已经发生的事实。
很多人因为政治诉求,而被送进牢房。然后这群人向社会宣扬“没有这群人,香港稳定多了,意见都统一了。”。
我觉得不在于什么民主形式,而在于这个系统是否尊重“人”,不过你是什么人,高矮胖瘦,喜欢习近平还是厌恶习近平,都能被尊重,并保证安全。
如果不能保证这些人的安全、自由表达,那这个系统存在的意义是什么?
So wrong, the turn out rate of voters is high when people feel something must be done differently, like the 2020 election in the US.
On the subject of the survey done in 2019 that a lot of people regard themselves as HKers rather than Chinese, I can say that in the UK, the authorities consider people from our part of the world are all of Chinese origin, like it or not. I think the show-host was very biased to have quoted the identity survey.
這訪問真的超精采,偷換概念的辯論高手
What Mr Lee said is true. The fact is if you don’t do illegal things, there’s no need to worry.
@@waikitjim5668 They loved being slaves to England. Returning to China is only good for ordinary people, but it is a nightmare for those who worship Westernism.
I think the interviewer should talk more about how the “elected” Boris has been playing the party gate during this pandemic……how was Boris elected in the first place? ……a manipulated “election” system is called “democracy”😜
“That is not true” “That is not true” “That is not true” 😂
hahaha yes, Dominic is trying very very hard to lie his way through. He need to evade the June-4th questions. The host Mr. Sackur is giving him a very hard time.
I'm Hong Kong citizen,he said is true and you were not living in my city would know nothing about the truth and just believe the hypocritetal mass western medium washing your mind.
Keep sleeping in your well
@@lobonoxxxx you were completely brainwashed by biased Media. Shame on you!
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Really HARD for the guest to TALK with constant interruption by interviewer.
希望14億人都可以完整看到這審犯的過程,看看罪犯狡辯時如何緊張如何害怕的樣子
This video should be watched by many more people.
Mr Lee is a talent who dodged the questions all the time but talking different issue. When asked about religion freedom, he talked about the Chinese love China government. It is a very practical CCP speaker 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Yes as a mainland Chinese, I think he can respone directly, Steven is asking a questions base on some hypothesis, like he always do, that's his little trick all the time, Steven can either know very little about China like a lot of youtube viewers, or he just planned to do so for more view on his show. The China he pictured is so strange to us in China.
China does have religion freedom. Buddhism, Taoism, Muslim are all flourishing in China. Christians are under scrutiny only because churches are used by some foreign countries to topple other countries ' government. Churches before accusing other countries should clean up their own houses.
Yes. I agreed with you. He tried very hard to avoid questions. He defended China , like 1989 Student crackdown . He tried to deny this happening in China. Shame on him. In order to curry favor with the Chinese government, he did not face the truth. Shame on him. He chose money but give up his conscience. Sadly, God is very disappointed in him.
@Kin Lin Wu God's final judgement will reveal who are liars and hippocrates. We wait and see. Too early to judge at this time cause we are not God.
But the Lord said to Samuel, “Do not consider his appearance or his height, for I have rejected him. The Lord does not look at the things people look at. People look at the outward appearance, but the Lord looks at the heart.”
1 Samuel 16:7 NIV
Isn’t it the way the Chinese Communists always do? A good example is Wang Yi. The most beloved Chinese official in Canada!
“全过程民主”那么搞笑的词能一本正经的说出来也是厉害。自己选的议员,总统都有可能违背竞选承诺。你一没投票权,二没监督权,你要怎么搞全过程民主呢?那群橡皮图章都不是你票选出来的,从一开始就没有民主,遑论全过程民主。
1.过去西方污蔑中国政府独裁统治、残暴镇压,中国政府就借用他们的言论体系,提出了“有为政府、有效市场”这个说法,至今没有见过能够反驳的!因为改革开放成果举世瞩目!
2.全过程民主也是一样的道理:对应的是西方休克性民主制度!民主只在竞选的时候苏醒并发挥作用。选举过后,什么竞选承诺都可以放下不管,政府专心致志为资本和财阀服务,选民就是路边的野草,这就叫“休克性民主”。
3.全过程民主就是要把政府对人民的承诺按时兑现,否则要追究相关政府部门和人员的责任。比如武汉抗疫初期政府抗疫不力,整个武汉官场被撸了一遍。而美国抗疫不力死了近百万人,没有哪个政客是因为这个下台的,这就叫休克性民主!
@@predator1739 彭帅在网上质控被性侵,然后号没了,彭帅张高丽变成了敏感词,人联系不上,接受采访都得被安排才可以,这就是你的全过程民主
BBC Hardtalk should ask US and Britain to remve their natinal security laws.
👏👏👏👍👍👍Well done! 🙏🙏
Election is democracy.Buckshot.
We are forced to vote for two candidates that we disliked but we are forced by law to vote. Where is our freedom and human rights
Seems that building gulag concentration camp. Let u guys get some exercise in the Tibet railway construction.
That's what Fk Saxons want you to vote for rotten Saxon apple or rotten Saxon orange. Either sucker is still Fk Saxons
Well said! Both are rotten apples but we were forced to pick either one, where’s our right then? Bullshit democracy
Mr Lee, I salute u, you are a very intelligent and calm person, if I have a chance in Hong Kong, I would love to shake your hand
香港 伊朗 北韓 同樣擁有民主 言論自由和選舉權😂 只要夠無恥 怎樣說都可以😂
When it comes to money & power, a person can forbid conscience to gain what he is after, never minding justice & own religious belief. Over centuries, there are just too many of such examples. Evil may prevail for a while, but will be defeated by truth at the end. By then, it will be all too late to regret for the sinners.
no such thing as good or evil. Every government has fucked up and will continue to fuck up. What varies is the severity of the fuck ups.
Under Common law, no one will be in jail without verdict but in HK, no one knows, when will all democrats in jail have their verdicts. Everytime on court, it is claimed that evidence is still not enough n wait for another round to submit more evidence for verdict.
Dominic, you are incredible.....👍👍👍👍
2:59 you are done. we DO NOT have an independent judiciary system, said the Chinese government and the hong kong government. the judiciary system should be led by the CEO of the SAR. the executive comes first. so does china practice the capital system.
點贊李先生的激辦到位。厚顏無恥的雙重標準,美國代理人被抓也那來問問題?無恥到極點。
批評中國?那美國也怎樣怎樣怎樣……基本上這就是李的邏輯 🤣
@@Sam642009 西方的所谓民主制,实际是金主制,是金主操控候选人的选择,以人民投票,制造民意授权的假象,选出被操控的国家领导和国会议员,以达到服务金主的目的。西方谈的民主,只着重选举,却从不说领导人和议员的素质和能力,有否做出利民的政绩,根本从来不是以民为本,不断重复民主人权自由,只是为了抢占道德高地和掩饰资本主义的丑恶。拥戴西方的所谓民主制,如果不是盲从附和,脑袋必定是很有问题。
The BBC guy was actually not asking questions. He was actually making statements.
BBC主持人就是在问问题啊,结果我方精神小伙一直讲「美国也这样啊」完全没回答主持人问题,是在搞啥呢?也是辛苦他了,万一精神小伙讲错话,家里的产业就被咱们共惨党查水表了...
When you could believe in your own lies you would be shamelessly believing that you’re the winner of the debate. However the laughters belong to the audience.
那句“虚伪”讲的真好!
一流👏👏👏🙏
The interviewer's objectives were clearly exposed. Dominic Lee defended all of his accusations , He was obviously not achieving his goal. Great Job, Dominic.
”全过程民主“这是去北京培训班学习过了。😂
thanks for the Chinese subtitles to let us know more about his personal thoughts XD
@@1983725999 Domonic Lee wishes he can be a commie. But the problem is he cannot. CPP will never trust anyone borne and raised in HK. Even if they let them join, they will never hold any significant position.
Very good debate .👍👍
日後真係可以有機會黎一個辯論的話,不妨找陶傑、曾志豪同呢件李生去比併,但如果呢件李生真係咁沙塵,想「更上一層樓」,咁就要試吓約彭定康同佢大辯論啦!
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俄羅斯媒體發了篇很有意思的文章,文章標題稱“試想一下,如果阿桑奇揭露的是中國的罪行,而非美國的罪行 。”文章自問自答,如果阿桑奇是一名中國記者和出版商,他應該已獲得諾貝爾獎,成為人權日的主角,本週他的畫像會被放在拜登的“民主峰會”頂端。看看阿桑奇現在的淒慘下場,大家就知道所謂的民主、自由,不過都是西方的工具罷了。
试想下陈秋实揭露的是中国的罪行,也非美国的罪行。
额,不对陈秋实被抓了。
没关系,还有 美国 李文亮医生。
还好人家是有点名气的。不然所谓吹哨人可能要呆着 美国 监狱了。
不对李医生的微博说他因为提早通知,被 美国 警察抓了问话。
香港人同美國人一樣批評美國總統,但香港人只可以批評習近平一次。
冷知识:占领白宫随便搭帐篷,占领华尔街迅速被清场。
不同国家政体不同,确实中共给不了你向往的一些自由,这也没啥可洗的,不过权力的运行逻辑古今中外并没有变过,美国把政治笑话当成安抚民心的奶头乐算是他们的优越性了,也就如此了,骂完了是挡住美国总统逛萝莉岛了?还是阻止总统给亲信谋私利了?还是防止总统安排儿子女婿以权谋私了?
如果啥也影响不了,只是多一个给民众发泄情绪的通道,那只能说好棒棒哦
如此狡辯,我也能辯到這個李梓敬!
Keep up your good work Mr LI. from Canada.
主持人在談論香港的問題,這「小李子」卻在談論美國的問題。🙄
lee的意思很明白:如果要用同一套民主人权的标准来衡量一个政府的施政是否符合民主人权,那么主持人批判香港问题的时候应该和美国执行一个标准。潜台词就是:如果用大陆的标准,那么香港警察是失职的。执法不够强硬,放纵了暴徒、加大了破坏力度,危害了大多数香港人的 利益!
Dominic definitely outperforms that brainless playing machine👍🏻
I like Dominic more and more and more😉
關於自由的認知程度很明顯差之千里
Mr Li is simply playing a game for twisting the logic. What a shame!
I think the host was trying to twist the facts. The logic is that it is always wrong if you are not bashing freedom, human right in HK or in China. It is the CBB style.
Well said Mr.Li !!!👍👍👍👍👍👍
外國人永遠搞不懂,他們眼中的極權中式民主為什麼能發展的這麼成功富裕,還有這麼高的民意支持。
這位議員家族企業需要北京,你懂地☺️
How about a discussion of the democracy that the UK government gave Hongkong before 1997 and compare it with present situation ?
how about UK gov grant British citizenship to HK citizen instead of making them applying BNO visa, yes, a visa. Oh, wait! is it because HK is a colony under her majesty royal kingdom, for which HK citizen does not deserve 1st class citizenship privilege,
Ethnocentric white people are outdated white people. Try to come and talk like this to Singapore. And be prepared to be blasted by SG ministers. Go watch how LKY roasts ya guys and even British HK governor sitting beside him lmfao
Can the host say Kill the Queen in public here? Have the host literally see what happened in Xinjiang?
看來許多人都忘了2019年在香港發生什麼樣的事,香港警察,
哼,笑了。
"That is not true" no matter what you say or what fact you mentioned. My job is to read my scripts and i am in my daydreaming mode.
The guy does not know what is true or false. What are facts or not. This is coy. And this is bad ?.... News show facts. The end. Opinion pieces, then it would be a chat show... or a talk... but he is the politician. Why is this all messed up ? Documentaries are not documentaries. News are not news ?
Very good , 無得頂。
如果BBC能安排一個視頻直播的辯論節目, 由李梓敬對羅冠聰, 相信會很精彩, 收視率肯定超高.
直播他们怕是掐不过来哦🤣
不可能互相说服任何一方,因为互相立场和目的不同。我们做好自己,让那些人永远去做政治反对派和流亡者,反正他们目的就是反对,而非真的让人们有好生活。
@@Bill_here_USA 反贼需要说服吗?看着它被虐就行了
佢哋之前已經對戰過
早就辯過了,羅啞口無言