THE BEST TEAM WON! 🔊 - Stephen A. on the Celtics closing out the Mavericks in Game 5 | NBA Countdown
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- THE BEST TEAM WON! 🔊 - Stephen A. on the Celtics closing out the Mavericks in Game 5 | NBA Countdown
Stephen A. Smith, Michael Wilbon, Bob Myers and New York Knicks PF Julius Randle join Malika Andrews on NBA Countdown to react to Game 5 of the 2024 NBA Finals where the Boston Celtics secured their 18th championship with a win over the Dallas Mavericks.
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Crazy thing is Boston has been the best team all year. They just went 80-21 on the season. Let that sink in.
just wait till next season :)
Haven’t lost more than a game in a round and swept a team to get to the NBA finals. Plus, they played badly in game 4 of the NBA finals to win the chip in front of their own fans. This Celtics team is different.
@@mikeysonnnn😢
Next year they'll eclipse GS 2016 record 😎☘️🍀🏆
@@priincexavi5504HERE☘️🍀🏆
They went 37-4 at home in the regular season season. Crazy to think that Dallas ever had a chance after game 3 lol
Hard for any team to beat Tatum, Brown, Holiday, Prozingis and the MVP the REFS
@@chan13153 it's hard to accept, but Boston let yall have game 4.
@@tytytyme33 anyone who isn't a blind Celtics fanboy can see that the series was 100% rigged
It’s nice for devil worshippers to win😂
@@chan13153Dallas shot more FTs in games 2 & 3 and the Cs had more fouls called on them in both games. Ur just chattin
Dude , the Celtics won give them their credit I don’t want to hear “if” or “could” just stop it
Facts and the Finals MVP goes to the Refs.
@chan13153 oh yes totally. Celtics TOTALLY wouldn't have won by 18 tonight, and would have lost cuz the refs have that much impact on the game. Keep up ur delusion😊
@@chan13153🤡🤡
Great team not sold on Tatum and brown even though brown was good in the finals.
😂😂😂 the haters don't know what else to say. They just keep repeating the same thing 😂 . Open wide haters 😮🍆
ESPN needs new analysts.
They all say the same thing
@@1990758 literally all puppets on a string.
Media and the casuals: "Boston beating injured teams in the East to get to the Finals
Celtics: "it's actually too easy beating everybody"
... while Porzingis was barely playing
Yup. Its pretty lonely when you are too good😂
Exactly! I don't even want to hear that BS! We beat their "Marvelous Mavs" in a gentlemen's sweep after everyone kept saying they were going to destroy us. We are "Battle Tested" and came out of it with a championship!
💪🏾☘️🏀
@@Swiszms25It's not over until it's over Mavs in 9
@@kingmoreorless2810 When the Mavs win in 9, they can have the Kendrick Perkins trophy.
The Celtics just won a title and Wilbon immediately starts trashing the title. What an embarrassment. How is this what you talk about immediately after they win? ESPN is a joke.
he's salty cuz he was wrong
They can hate all they want, Celtics are on top of the world yet again!
Wilbon & SAS hates don't mean anything to Celtics. Lets go champs☘️
This is why inside the NBA is the best
WHO IS HE.HES A NOBODY LIKE ALL OF THEM.ESPECIALLY.STEPHEN A.I JUST COMMENT .I DNT LISTEN😊
This is how you build a team around your young talents. The Jays do not have to jump and join superteams to win a championship. Brad Stevens did a very good job of building this team.
They didn’t have to jump cause Stevens brought them a Superteam
Lol
@marcelo1458 not really, was mostly savvy trading, not like they went and paid mega bucks for a KD, etc. Bench also not particularly deep, had some luck with injury and were just more consistent than anyone else.
No they just got very lucky and had a easy path to the finals
@@dimitrioskaramanos9448 You can't really fault a team for building a super team but you can fault an mvp joining an mvp and 2 allstars the league didn't really value jrue,white or kp as much as they should have i bet the regret it
Stephen A gets to trash a Dallas playoff game in June tomorrow 😂
he need to trash himself for picking Dallas to win. the whole media did.. it's still mindboggling to me how they could even pick Mavs
@@hooligan5381 They just assumed cuz they had a better beating better teams that meant something when it didn’t. I kept telling people don’t assume the Celtics ain’t great just because they caught some breaks. They was great all year
@@hooligan5381 I think the media picked the Mavs for 1 of 2 reasons. The first being, these people are proclaimed as "gurus", but they dont watch all the Celtics games. The had NO idea how important Jrue & White were to this team. Their vision of Boston was from past teams, without those two, who fell short. These people cover ALL of sports. They simply dont have enough time to be on top of ANY single sport they cover. They watch highlights and box scores. They honestly are not capable of properly breaking down games. They are "hindsight" analyzers.
The 2nd reason, is that picking the Mavs gives more attention to the finals and more attention on them. Picking the slam dunk better team would have received a "ho hum" from the viewing audience. Picking the Mavs to beat the best team, gets the casual fan more involved. When the casual fan hears the underdog can win, they tune in.
The media is all hype. The cover and predict the better story, not the reality. They say how Boston had the easy run with Haliburton and Mitchell out, but they forget to tell you that Boston was up 2-1 vs Cleveland and 2-0 vs Indiana when those 2 got hurt...and of course they just assume Miami beats Boston with Butler, while of course disregarding that Miami never faced Boston with both White & Jrue.
And people will continue to try and diminish this title, because the media wants views and a lot of fans are morons.
@@datsapaddlin no. They was just hoping on the great white hope to beat a great TEAM. Only a fool picked the Mavs
@@blasianbombflower8828if he picked Boston and Luka won y'all would've said he hate euros relax 😂
Where did all the haters go? people being real chirpy this morning about mavs in 7…see ya next year! 🤣☘️
They all playing dead now 🤣
@@Gurenn83 On God lol
They’re hibernating rn, they’ll be back in October.
Yup and those same people glazing the maverick in the series in the finals 😂😭💀
on gawd 😂
Steven A didn't even listen to anyone else, you could tell he was just waiting to get off what he wanted to say 😂
What else is new lol
Yeah, he is always waiting to talk or rather waiting to yell.
I was waiting to hear Stephen anyway so...
Steven A$$ is a fool and picked the MAVs ….every one was picking Mavs. He’s getting paid for doing nothing but screaming
Oh you better believe I've held all receipts for the haters this year
So many people said "whoever comes out of the West in 5"! I'm coming after all of them!
@@smoothsinger422 I'm one of them. 😅 Hiding in the basement right now after bashing the Celtics 'cakewalk' to the finals. 🙈
@@Euclides287It's not over until it's over Mavs in 9
I’ve held back the toxicity all year. Now it’s gonna come out in full force
Wilbon sounds like such a hater. Cs whooped on the whole league. Give em their credit.
No he was giving every other team credit, and saying in culmination with celtics performing as they did this yr and being so dominant despite the plethora of formidable contenders this year, it put into perspective for him that this may be one of the best runs the Celtics have ever had. He was never discrediting the Celtics here lol.
Lol you weren't listening...
Yeah Wilbon like you but what was that.
It's the 2024 Celtics night...this guy is bringing stuff that don't matter. What a clown
@@Bars11_ Exactly wow!
Boston was so good this year... they're going to be a contender for a while yet.
Im calling it jb or tatum is walking. Lol they cant keep the copr of jrue, poringiz, and a few others together. Too many budding talents. Some will leave. They just gotta replace well
Yes. The devil goes strong
@@emeraldkattable It's for sure Porzingis. Not to mention Horford might retire now or maybe re-up for a one year deal for cheap.
@@emeraldkattablelmao Porzingis signed for the next 2-3 years 😆 jayson gets his extension this summer and so does derrick. Locks up the starting 5 for the next 3-5 years with the holiday extension a few months ago!
Ha!!!
@@emeraldkattableteam is good as it is but for jrue he's probs gonna be still good for at least the next 2 or 3 years
Michael Wilburn is such a hater bro
The Celtics won. Give them their dues especially how you didnt believe they would win
Let them hate. Celtics coming back next year.
How is wilbon hating?
He literally said they should get even more credit because of how good the league is 😐
@@SG__14 for him to use his few minutes to trash the Celtics ability to repeat next year, is kind of weird.
@@SG__14 why talk of repeat when they just won the finals. Talk about that more. Talk about how the whole media was wrong in picking the mavs to win. Talk about that more. Not about how you feel about them repeating while they literally just won
Wilbon is naming all these teams but not one team in the East is a serious threat to this Celtics squad. Yes, in the West Denver and Minnesota are dangerous but we just dismantled the team that came out of the west. There are levels to this and Boston is on a level no other team in the league is on.
Bucks blew them out twice
@@xavierb9061 where is bucks rn?
If sports was that predictable, no will be watching....
@@xavierb9061regular season doesn’t mean anything
Sixers lost every single postseason series against us. Bucks looked like a bunch of bums this year, couldn't play defense for their lives, they have no chance. The bigger threat is the Knicks if they can stay healthy but Randle gets injured every year it seems. There's no one in front of Boston, they won the east by what, 10 games? That's absurd
ESPN will never get Boston credit. Changing the goalpost now to say they aren’t good compared to to Celtics team of the past or saying they aren’t good enough for a dynasty is annoying to hear
Yeah, it's annoying. This Celtics team is the best NBA team since the W's lost KD in the 2019 playoffs.
Sure, injuries in the east made it all too easy to get back to the finals (but make no mistake, we'd be there regardless), but what we did to the best of the Mavs should make it crystal clear.
Last year, Denver lucked out because Miami was a proper Cinderella team punching well above their weight class, but I don't recall nearly as much slander. The Mavs were the top team in the west for the last 3rd of the season and all of the playoffs. And we made them look like Miami without Jimmy.
Wilbon tears down Celtics 18th instead of congratulating them.
no he didnt. U expect him to say this was the greatest championship team ever, greatest run ever? he gave them their flowers and literally said its more impressive than other Celtics title runs because the league is so stacked nowadays. so where exactly did he "tear them down"?? not trying to sound rude, i just genuinely dont understand where you're coming from
i get he picked the mavs and is prolly salty he looks goofy for picking them but he didnt tear them down at all
@@iwishiwasthomasshelby bro thats the second reply on 2 diff videos of u talking bout the devil in this championship. what r u going on about
Wow i know.
Where? I didn't see that.
Congratulations To The Boston Celtics💯👍
Some of these people was glazing the maverick all series in this final series 😂😂😂
Especially the people at that announcer table lol except JJ
Yes. Some people glaze God. But sometimes the devil wins!!!!😂
@@iwishiwasthomasshelby🤨
Now they're switching up 😂
Wilbon yapping
Wilbon, that was hater take. CONGRATULATIONS TO THE BOSTON CELTICS #18!!!!!
Batman and super man really got it done, the super avengers at this point it’s over for the east. They both was hooping
I told y'all the celtics threw that game at Dallas. They wanted to celebrate at home. You guys really thought Jalen Brown would score just 10 points and Tatum with 15 in game 4 if they were really trying? Losing by 38 and you all thought the Mavs were redeemed and legit again? Fools.
I think Tatum speech gave it away whe he said " qe always v look unce back (talking about the blowout) the fans deserve", and then he stopped himself
He about to say the fans deserve a win at home
Legendary team. Here comes the dynasty 🙏
Agree. They coming back next year, I can already tell even before the Finals started.
75 win team next season ☘️🍀🏆
Cmon …. They won 1 and yall saying dynasty already
Legendary after one Championship hospital run, I swear you casuals crack me up 😂
@@marcelo1458 Not a casual, idk what would make you think that. You know 0 about how much I watch
Boston was ahead of the rest of the league this year.
We had the easiest path BECAUSE WE DA BEST🍀🏆
Facts a lot of people saying we had the easiest path but nah it’s the Celtics making it easy
They don't realize when you have 5 starters that score double digits every game and play lock down defense that they are hard to beat.
@@MaidenMoneySo you wanna ignore all the injuries in the East??? .... 🤣😂😂
That and yall have a superteam and other teams were compromised, do give yall credit but keep that in mind
Why does randle look like that funny marcco dude😂
Chill😂
True 😂
i cant unsee it now lmao
Thought it was him
I was gonna say that too lol 😂
Imagine being champions and still are disrespected. ESPN is full of clowns, same people that said they can't play together, they way they play can't win a championship, Luka and Kyrie are the greatest duo that will demolish Celtics, winner of Wolves Nuggets will be champions are now saying this team can't go a run and win Multiple championships 😂😂😂. Come on Wilbon😅
Bird said it best about the Knicks, “Why should I be worried about a franchise that has less championships than I do?”
😂😂😂
As soon as the media picked mavs i knew mavs were gonna loose
Everytime a team wins its "this is the model." They said the same about Denver 🙄
Bro Celtics kept getting dragged by the mud just to shut everybody up I love it !!!
“Dallas are they leaving?” Wilbon cannot admit this team is head and shoulders above the league. They jusr gentleman swept Dallas but they’re a threat?
We won't know that until next year & I say that because I don't know if they're head and shoulders ahead of Denver
I love how pissed off he is. He knew at halftime it was wraps.
"The Best team Won" but most of these analysts chose Mavericks to win
"best offensive backcourt of all time"
It just goes to show that an avid fan is just as, if not more, knowledgeable than most of the talking heads. Not sure why we keep tuning into their bad takes.
@@malasc12yea they aren’t saying that now.
Congratulations to the Boston Celtics! 🍀🙌 With J. Brown sign until 2028, Tatum 2025, Holiday 2027, KP 2025. I see dynasty 🤷
As a Mavs fan from Slovenia, massive congrats to Boston, you were clearly the better team. You earned this...
It does hurt, but if someone told me we're gonna be in the finals at the start of the season I would have gladly TAKEN the deal. Hopefully we're gonna be back next season.
tadej winning the tour u good bro
@@fanda6122 bruv Euro is where it's at right now, but we definitely won't be in the finals there lol
@@the_smart_cookies_podBenjamin Sesko is legit
Gonne be tough to get back but Dallas needed this experience just like the Celtics did against the Warriors in 2022.
Lmao it’s over 😂
Stephen A owes him an apology
We win and Wilbon starts off talking about other teams 😂😂😂😂😂
WOw & i always like him Yeah this one stupid bad take.
🍀🍀🍀🍀🍀WHAT THEY GON SAY NOW?!?! WE THE CHAMPS BABY LETS GO!!!!! CELTIC NATION RISE UP!!!!!! 🍀🍀🍀🍀🍀🍀
I am surprised Malika did not say the coach of the Celtics was arrested in college for a fight. She is the worst
Wilbon took too long to mention the Knicks smh
Mavs in 6 was disrespectful. Bleed Green!!! ☘️☘️☘️
Beginning of a dynasty
Nah the east will be healthy next year
Yep. No reason they can't get 1 or 2 more. Not 1 team in the East is touching them.
@@wilhelm4321doesn’t matter Celtics are leagues above the east you better hope Denver can face them they are the only team who has a chance
@@thebermuda99Nah Giannis or Jimmy can get it done in 6 or 7 games
If White and JT are extended this starting lineup is under contract through 2025-26. That’s 2 more years. They could 3peat. Not to mention they would have JT and JB until 2030. Mental
Curry averaged 26.0 PPG, 6.3 APG, and 5.2 RPG 2015 and they gave it to igudala lol
For Iggy "defending" Lebron who avg 35-13-8, lol.
Why does Julius Randle look like funny Marco!? #FunnyMarco #juliusrandle #NewYorkKnicks
Celtics, especially Mazulla and the core players, can also be grateful and thankful to Ime Udoka for this Chip. He layed the foundational building block for this success
Thank you, gentlemen, for all of the excellent box-outs, defense, and adaptive offense. Thank you, Mazzula, for your genius, focus, and leadership.
Thank you, Tatum, for your humility, leadership, and professional focus.
Thank you, Brown, for your tenacity, leadership, and playing with all of your mind and soul.
Thank you, Horford, for being a passionate leader and consummate professional.
Thank you, Porzingis, for having the courage to give us 100% of your heart even when you only had about 80% of your body.
Thank you, Brissett, for your willingness to come off the bench and use your athleticism and hunger to win games.
Thank you, Davison, for staying focused even when your body wasn't feeling up to par-and for your quickness.
Thank you, Hauser, for BEING THE KYRIE-STOPPER and for not getting discouraged when the shots weren't falling.
Thank you, Holiday, for sacrificing so much just to fit into our system, yet still stepping up like an MVP consistently when it counted the most.
Thank you, Kornet, for your passion, athleticism, and consistent focus on excellence.
Thank you, Mykhailiuk, for your impressive athleticism and patience while on the bench.
Thank you, Peterson, for your excellent shot-making and decision-making.
Thank you, Pritchard, for being an insanely talented baller who decided to stay even when tempted to leave-and for the ICE in your veins.
Thank you, Queta, for your athletic prowess, enthusiasm to play, and good decision-making in the paint.
Thank you, Springer, for your cool-headed defense and willingness to sacrifice your offense even though you have the ability to shine.
Thank you, Tillman, for being a guy who only cares about helping out our team even though you have so much more to offer.
Thank you, Walsh,. for being the FUTURE of the Celtics. You're gonna be the difference-maker once you get your chance to shine.
Thank you, White, for being the humblest star in the NBA and your unflagging confidence and ability to execute when we needed it the most.
And thanks to the entire coaching staff, support staff, stadium staff, doctors, therapists, and practice staff. And last but not least, thanks to all of your family members who sacrificed time with you during this amazing season.
Celtics might go back to back this team is elite in all positions.
Ayo is that Funny Marco
Even though Celtics had the easiest path this year playoffs but can’t lie so got to give them credit.
Jayson Tatum has surpassed LeBron James and Kobe Bryant as the ALL-TIME leader in playoff points before 27 years old. If that wasn't crazy enough...
NOBODY in the NBA has more points or wins in the playoffs since Tatum has entered the league.
And nobody can say A WORD to him.
Champion.
Congrats Celtics! ☘️🏆
Bobcats in 6.
Miss the Bobcats, they had cool jerseys 😢
They all picked Denver to win when playoffs started, the experts😭🤣
Now that they've won it all 6 conference finals in 8 years becomes a feature not a bug 😂
Congratulations Boston Celtics!! 🏆
Need Kristaps to skip the olympics and get surgery on that foot and be ready for training camp. Appreciate his effort to play through it. 🙏☘️💪
Why is Julius Randle up there? I don't want to hear this dude trying to interject about his team atleast not right when the praise is supposed to still be coming in, we can hear that talk next week.
They bout to give Luka more passes than an NFL combine today
Nah Stephen A will slew Luka but everyone else finna give him a pass
No doubt .Jalen Brown should be with team USA in the olympics
Watching owners and executives lifting the trophy first is trash...
what you mean? they build this team to become a champion...
What is this elementary school lunch line? It doesnt matter who hoists it first Tatum ended up clutching to it for his life and I loved it
I kind of agree, let the players get theirs.
where do u think the supermax $$$ comes from? lmaoo
Yeah agree.
Kyrie’s finals was the wolves 😂
This is one of those times I really wish the TNT crew covered the finals.
3:06 “ You love seeing perseverance rewarded.” What a line and mic drop moment for Bob 💯✍🏾 🔥
And LA goes into a mighty depression 😮
Chuck's hand got swollen still rubbing Aladdin's lamp...Mavs in 9 😂😂
Marcus smart punching the air right now lmao
The actual contenders that I cheered for and they finally win it all.
MVP JT
No.. one game yes.. JB was better in 1st 4 games.. plus he guarded Luka
Jt literally had more points rebounds and assist 😂
I agree, JT should’ve been MVP.
I WANT IGUODALA
@@elvisjames1141you do know basketball is played on 2 ends right ?
Let's go Mavs in 9!🤣
Yo I was like why do they have funny Marco up there with them 😂
SAS always trying to explain and backtrack after his picks😂😂😅
Dallas really let the Western conference down only winning 1 game luka and kyrie were very disappointing in this final really bad.
All star game told me all I needed to know. West trash af
That's what happens when you're opponent excels in the half-court offense, perimeter defense, players that can switch on anyone, and has experience. The Celtics are simply a bad matchup for the Mavericks. The Celtics finally learned how to play team ball, and not hero ball...
Boston just had great defense
Marcus Smart punching the air right now
😂
Stephan A like 1-7 in finals predictions if you take away the two easy Warriors choices 😂😂😂
Loyalty paid off
I wish they could give Marcus Smart an honorary ring
Why? Smart played very hard, especially on defense, but I always felt that he was one of the reasons we had not won. As a floor general, his ball handling skills were shaky. He too often went for the fancy impressive pass instead of the safe efficient pass, and the thing is that he has great vision and should have made more good passes and less careless turnovers. Lastly, on a team with Tatum and Brown, and even Derek White, he was not the best option when it came to scoring at crunch time. But too often you'd be hoping that he would give the ball to Brown for a drive, or Tatum for a step back, and then suddenly Smart is taking, and missing, the hero shot. He was not a bad player by any means, but he was not as good on offense as he thought he was. You know who WAS really good on offense? Both White and Holiday. So, we lost Smart and he defense, but we got Holiday, who's defense is probably just as good. Overall in Holiday we got a guy who is a much more efficient scorer and can pretty much do it all. Do I dislike Smart? Not really. But does he deserve a ring? Not in my book.
Mahkiss Smaht!
Smart being gone is the reason they won
He is a flopping legend
Great comment @ironfangzu.
Smart doesn't understand the importance of a crucial possession.
In crucial moments instead of treasuring the ball smart made bone headed pass attempts or took an ill advised three. Good riddance.
Mavs in 6 though right?
Yeah. Maybe 2026 lol..
The Mavs in 7 are all in the purgatory now 😇
Great win
This is one of the most boring NBA Finals I've ever seen
So boring that they are already talking about other teams.
You obviously didn't watch last years.
I was rooting for the Mavs but I had a feeling The Celtics would win it all, good for them they earned it!!!!
They are bashing this team right after they won with WHAT IF's. If you actually watch the game they are a good defensive team
And I didn't even want to listen to Stephen A you know he was going to bash them
What is Wilbon talking about? Those 80’s Celtics Bird teams would destroy this team. Magic’s 80’s Lakers, MJ’s 90’s Bulls, Shaq & Kobe’s Lakers, Duncan’s Spurs, Steph’s Warriors team would all destroy this team. The ‘08 Celtics would beat this team. Even the Bad Boy Pistons & Hakeem’s Rockets would. They’re in the same class as ‘19 Raptors, ‘21 Bucks, ‘23 Nuggets, & that’s fine. They’re champions.
Nah this is team is definitely better than the 08 team
What u smoking on I want some😂
BRO STOP IT YOU SMOKING 😅😅😅
Tatum got robbed
I agree!
Idk this year seemed like a joint MVP
Who’s punching the air harder, Marcus Smart or Ime Udoka?
Good question 😂😂😂
“Can the Knicks stay healthy”
Julius Randle :😐 1:40 😂
Which is why they need more pieces, they didn’t hav enough, they cannot play hart n brunson 46 mins a gm
They better thank Udoka
I would like to see Embiid's reaction after he said he hates Boston 😂
4:45 Stephen A right as usual
It’s crazy the Media didn’t see this was the best team all year long.
Stephen A has called for Joe Mazzulla’s job all year any time Boston was brought up. I’m most happy for Joe. As a knicks fan.
😂😂😂 He kept bringing up Ime Udoka, "If Ime Udoka was here"
I do believe Ime is better, but he's gone for a good reason
Totally happy for Boston! Totally worth it!
You love seeing perseverance rewarded. Great statement.
Let’s gooooooooooooooooooooooo my Celtics 💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽🔥🔥🔥🍾🍻🥂
One thing i hate about sports media is the constant narrative driving. Why is it so important to compare this team to others? Lets celebrate this moment for them.
Finally. Mentioning the Knicks as a threat! Waited decades to hear that!
Glad Randle was there, that will motivate him big time to get the Knicks to the finals nxt season
Wilbaun with the biggest glazing of other teams I’ve ever seen. He can’t just give the Celtics credit
I know i can't stand debate shows they flip flop ALso i can't stand Men that wear flip flops especially with jeans.
Wow, way to go Julius! BBN
Finally, someone has something good to say about these Celtics! Thanks!
Beat a healthy Knicks team in the playoffs and or Sixers team n beat the Nuggets then we will talk, only real team u beat was the heat, cavs n pacers were light years behind u. Mavs clearly are not on the same planet as Boston as well