Angela deserved so much better during her run. Her and Shawn’s relationship was probably the healthiest relationships on the show. Also, Shawn’s actor treated her with the upmost respect and kindness while the others snub her.
I think differently. Angela and Shawn were a trauma bond. Their trauma and troubled history linked them together. I wouldn’t wish that on anyone, so I just don’t feel comfortable endorsing that ship, no matter how good or treated her.
@@TH-camReady No, they weren't trauma bonding. They never did toxic things to each other. They had more mature things happen to them hence why Shawn took Angela more seriously than other girls. Normal high school girls worry about superficial stuff while Angela seems to be able to communicate a level far beyond that challenged Shawn.
Absolutely loved how the show treated Shawn and Angela's relationship every bit as casually as all the other couples on the show. Their racial difference was never used as a source of either humor or tension and the troubles they faced were only the ones every couple faces at some point. That was REAL progress!
I was pretty young when I watched this show but not once did I see Shawn and Angelia as a “racial” couple. They were really good together and I enjoyed watching them be together.
I remember the conservative talking points at the time said that interracial dating wasn't normal in America and liberal media was trying to normalize something that was abnormal for most Americans. As a kid growing up in a diverse metropolitan area, Shawn and Angela's relationship looked normal to me and I started questioning why conservatives didn't want that. It was honestly the beginning of my understanding of conservative "values" when it comes to "purity". You can't unsee that. While interracial marriage is more accepted by conservatives now, we still see them fighting for gender purity, and certainly can't forget those years of them fighting for the "sanctuary of marriage". It all comes back to purity morals that are patriarchal and racist.
Good point. Even now if they were in a relationship on tv every conflict would be centered around race but on Boy meets World there's no wisecracks, centering race, or even weird comments about it as far as I can remember.
It’s so interesting to me that the 80’s, 90’s and early 2000’s had such a myriad of wonderful representation for Black women and girls and until recently there was major regression. You had characters like Angela; bohemian, beautiful intelligent and carefree, Lisa Turtle, Ashley Banks, Laura Winslow, Moesha Mitchell etc. for the last couple of decades Black women onscreen are either invisible by erasure, cartoonishly stereotypical, or a prop/foil to all non poc characters. One of the reasons growing up in this era was unmatched. Black women and girls had the opportunity to be fully realized and fully fleshed out characters onscreen. We were depicted, in all our nuances as human.
@@WatchTheClipsFilm-TvBecause the so called progress Hollywood really only want us around when we fit into their own preconceived stereotypes. Thats why there’s no room for the prude, wealthy, nerdy, or conservative black woman, just the slutty, poor, ghetto, ill-behaved ones that they keep cramming down our throats in music and television. It’s extremely annoying, feels like our reputation as women are always under attack.
@@WatchTheClipsFilm-TvI think part of the reason that this stopped is because in an effort to bring about equality of characters people started focusing on all the things you couldn’t do with black characters because it will be seen as racist. And while that has merit and is admirable it always makes some people skittish so that resort to making flat characters that have no flaws etc which makes them uninteresting and not relatable. So people lose interest. So then the writers and show runners start believing that people don’t want to see black women characters when the truth is we want to see fleshed out characters. That’s one of the reasons I think it happened.
I do wish that Angela and Shawn would had end up together on the spinoff and they could had adopted Riley's friend Maya. You would had never knew that Trina McGee was almost in her 30s playing Angela.
I my imagination, they did end up together. I think the spinoff sucked and should’ve never happened. Spinoffs/reboots always cater to new generations. The boy meets world spinoff shoulda been about them as adult. dealing with adult life issues. And it shouldn’t have been on Disney Channel. Would’ve been way more successful i think.
@@nes96it is unbelievable when her character was supposed to be 15. She was playing someone half her age and did an amazing job and looked the part. That is unbelievable especially when today they cast people in their late 20s, early 30s as teens and they look like they are in their 20s and 30s.
I’m Latina, and grew up watching BMW. I loved how the show treated Shawn and Angela’s relationship. It didn’t center around them being an interracial couple, just two people that really loved each that happened to be from different racial backgrounds. My husband is white and our relationship isn’t based on how different our backgrounds are, just how we love each other and bring out the best in one another.
5:26 I’m sorry, but my ideal experience as a black woman is to be treated like everyone else so this was refreshing to me. “My blackness” isn’t front and center in everyday human interaction, I don’t expect non black people to worry about “well, what does that mean/do/feel as a black woman” when it comes to life experiences EVERY PERSON goes through.
I agree with you. I think that is what I loved Angela so much bc she was obviously black (I mean, she wasn’t ambiguous) but she was also just a person. and preteen me loved that about her!
Black woman here that grew up on this show I’m 30 now and I promise I was so obsessed with Angela’s and Shawn’s relationship like the passion and intimacy along with the intensity was so awesome to me. Of course I stan Corey and Topanga but Angela and Shawn were the STANDARD.
The actress who played Bonnie on The Vampire Diaries had a lot of the same treatment. I hated how they didn't end up together. The notion that only Cory and Topanga get to have this long lasting love is stupid. There could have been different kinds of love on that show, but they were so single minded that they didn't even bother to do anything else.
I was shocked to find out that Trina McGee is actually ten years older than Rider Strong and already in her 30's when the show ended. It's a tribute to Trina's talent and youthfulness that you could hardly tell any age gap between her and the rest of the cast.
I felt sorry for Trina McGee behind the scenes as well. She had issues with Will Friedle, who called her "Aunt Jemima" in the makeup trailer, as well as Danielle Fishel and Ben Savage, being made to feel like a stranger after 60 episodes. However, she has since mended fences with Friedle and Fishel.
This beats the usual complaints from older white actors when a Black actor who guest starred/had a long character arc/season regular said something after the fact of their time and the white actor whining about being cancelled rather than sincerely apologizing and making amends. Kudos to the cast!
@MermaidGal90 When she finally came out with the microagressions that happened to her during her time on set, he was the one that cheered her on for finally being able to bring it up and discuss it.
Trina as Angela with her natural hair, styled hair, with lines, and having her own brand of humour and personality is ever a statement. The character is an icon not only for BMW but for TV history, and Trina is a hero for many, including me. I loved her vulnerability with her family when her father was introduced and I remember hearing the audience reaction when she finally told Shawn she loved him. If they could fly through the ceiling, they would. Same here. That they ended is realistic, yes, but I hear many fans say that their relationship is the most realistic one on the show. There can only be one Cory and Topanga yes because there is only one Cory and one Topanga. But Shawn and Angela were different, and fans, many fans, wanted that too. They did work, and they pulled each other through things, and the way they respected one another, reconciled, and put one before the other is an example to many. I like GMW and their characters too. But them writing Angela like that left a bitter taste in my mouth. Of course, Trina pulled it off nicely and you still see Shawn's care for her come through. "Put more of you in the world" was his answer when she asked him if she should have children, and yeh, I cried. But just for what their relationship could have been, but for what her continued character could have been in the show.
In watching this, I’m realizing that Angela has become an archetype for black women characters in mainstream shows. I remember almost the exact same storylines and tropes being used for Mercedes Jones in Glee, down to not allowing her character to have a healthy longterm relationship with her high school boyfriend because that “wasnt realistic” (but like everyone else was able to maintain a relationship with and even marry their high school sweethearts 🤔)
I always loved Shawn and Angela as a couple, especially since there were so few representations of interracial couples on screen. I liked that it was never really treated as an issue, and was disappointed that the spinoff revealed that they ultimately split up. However, at least they were on civil terms.
You should have played more of that audio clip from pod meets world podcast to give them full context of the incident between Will and Trina, so that your viewers would know that Trina sternly took the time to educate Will on why his joke was inappropriate, and how Will took her criticism and grew as a person from the experience. The way you edited it for your video seems to be engineered to create controversy. I highly suggest everyone go listen to the entire podcast.
@@thzene4967 But the video frames it as if it was huge ordeal, and that he was intentionally hurtful. Instead of it being made in and ingorant passing comment, and he was unaware of the connotation of the comment. Will also says that the incident "literally changed my life" in the episode. Also there wasn't an animosity between the cast mates the perceived animosity was created by people behind the scenes.The majority of incidents Trina experienced were from the crew off set. Trina, Ryder, Danielle, and Will expressed sorrow over the lost years of friendships, because of what producer implied about their feelings toward each other were. In the episode the cast talks about the fact that their age differences, and life experiences created a hurdle for them to get to know each other better during the show run. Again it's a great episode of a great podcast I highly recommend both but especially that episode.
Yes, couldn't agree more! I listen to the podcast every week and it's important to know she educated him, and he apologized profusely and learned from his mistake.
Well, I didn’t appreciate, was that in Girl meets world they made her out to just be Shawn’s ex girlfriend when she was a part of their whole friend group, her and topanga were even roommates in college dorm, and and they’re own apartment together!
The fact that Ben has never apologized to her, has never offered a public or private explanation, and has refused to acknowledge the situation is all you need to know about him.
Yeah it’s weird. Like they almost don’t acknowledge his existence on the podcast. But I think his involvement would silly things too much, bc of issues with Trina-but honestly I think they bigger issue that nobody seems to talk about is allegations against his brother, who is a director and ironically was in A BMW episode about teacher abusing power and assaulting his student.
Ben didnt do anything racist, he was just a typical egotistical child star who thought he was the ish and didnt let anyone forget it lol. Basically she felt he should have put more respect on her name since she was a grown woman and he was a child in her eyes, but in no way was he racist or even treating her differently than the rest of the cast.
@@CCI320she never said he was racist, hell she didnt even call the guy who made a racist joke racist she just said he was ignorant due to his lack of interaction with black people. Yall blew it out of proportion
5:23 in season 1 episode 8Eric dated an Asian girl named Lynda, she was presented as a Cheerleader and all American girl who brought Morgan a Chinese lantern. Her storyline was used to address race from a white perspective allowing the viewers who never experienced it get a small glimpse of their non white classmates have to face. Ashamed we never saw Lynda again nor was it addressed with Angela
One thing people get wrong is the "life long crush" thing with Topanga. Season 1 just had her as the "weird" girl Cory went to school with. They retconned a lot after season 1, like how his sister disappeared for several seasons. I always loved Trina's character on the show, she was like a slap-in-the-face the show really needed. And they really did do her character wrong. I've only seen a few episodes of Girl Meets World, and what I saw did not live up to the original, much like other shows they tried to do follow ups to. I can't speak for the people that identified with her, nor as someone who could identify with her on race and ethnicity, but I have to say, her being on the show and them not making a big show of her race being contrast with the rest of the cast helped normalizing such aspects in current shows. It gives us a positive look at what a world could be like without the hate so many people jump into (basically conservatives). In one aspect that some might not think about, that I think is important, they normalized her existence in a non-scifi show, meaning it didn't have to be some fantasy, other worldly life that in many ways seems impossible to live in, they gave us a look at our own society and living in the here and now (mostly) without the predjudices we otherwise see every day. Or if needed to put simply, they didn't have to stick her on a space ship named the Enterprise, for her character to be taken seriously.
"One thing people get wrong is the "life long crush" thing with Topanga. Season 1 just had her as the "weird" girl Cory went to school with. They retconned a lot after season 1, like how his sister disappeared for several seasons. " - yes! I watched the show as a kid, didn't really get into it, then a couple years later my younger brother got into it and we used to argue about that. To me Cory had hated Topanga and coming back seasons later it was jarring. He insisted that Cory was always in love with her.
@@Evamarie41I wouldn't say hated, more like, she was just there, and then the episode where they had to do a project together was their real first interaction that we know of. I also think she became the 3rd best friend the video talks about around the 3:20 mark. Their on screen chemistry probably pushed for that change in season 2 onward.
I loved Shawn and Angela’s relationship even more than Corey and Topangna’s. I thought S&A were more realistic, the writers screwed us over by not having them end up traveling the world and creating beauty together. Loved the episode when she told Cory that they weren’t really friends 🤣 oh and the episode where Shawn wrote that poem about her and she slapped him. Well…I know what I’m watching this weekend.
I a white boy who was living in Wyoming understandably had a crush on Topanga, I mean just look at her right. But when Andela was added to the show I had a way bigger crush on her. And while yes to is at least as beautiful it wasn't that. She had the brains and personality that I like to have around me. To me she was the person on the character on the show I most would want to spend time with in real life. To be frank my regular watching of boy meets world dropped of when she left the show. Like I still watched it and still enjoyed it but it wasn't the same. It taught me a lot about TV and how it can work. I think they messed up with her for sure. And now I'm learning they messed up behind the scenes too. This was very interesting thank you.
Boy Meets World was such a refreshing show for its time. It managed to capture the exact feeling of growing up and all the awkwardness around it. I'm only sixteen and resonate with it so deeply despite the fact that it was set in the 90s. Even though Cory is the protagonist I think characters like Shawn, Topanga and Angela stole the show. I see myself in Topanga so heavily as we are both young girls with such a strong sense of ambition and perfectionism to the point that it can hinder us.
Did her dirty in GMW. Should’ve been Shawn and Angela’s daughter that was best friends with Riley. Oh well at least we got Sabrina Carpenter out of that terrible spin-off.
The parallel treatment of Angela (Trina ), Lisa (Lark) from Saved by the Bell and Bonnie (Kat) from The Vampire Diaries is truly horrendous. I'd love to see videos on Lisa and Bonnie next because they were also done dirty and deserved so much better.
I hated what they did with Shawn/Angela on GMW. It makes no sense narratively other than they wanted Maya and Shawn to have a connection. Shawn's relationship with Maya's mom is forced.
BMW definitely was a show that was worth watching, especially with Angela thrown in the mix. While I noticed the token Black person trope coming into play, it nevertheless felt fleshed out. Just seeing Shawn and Angela's romantic relationship was so satisfying to witness and never focused too much on them being an interracial couple. Also, finding out that Will Friedle uttered Aunt Jemima towards Trina broke my heart. Though, it's good to know that the two made up and that she and the rest of the cast are still keeping in touch.
I loved her character! Shawn and Angela brought so much to the show. Corey and Topanga relationship could have still be "special" AS WELL as Shawn and Angela. They should have ended up together.
Watching this show, it was the first time I saw an interracial relationship. After a while, I saw it as it is…Didn’t like the breakup though. Angela was gone without any update. Mind you we GOT Minkus after years of hiatus. I agree that she deserved more development…At times, it was boring to see Cory and Topanga at the center of the show. It is getting tiresome to witness shows like this when the minority character gets the shortest end of the stick. wasn’t as developed as the others.
Though I can understand there being a debate about mentioning race, I’m personally glad that it was never a focal point specifically in the friend group because what they went with is kind of an accurate depiction of those types of relationships in my opinion. As a woman of color who grew up with predominantly white friends and partners (honestly purely because we shared the same interests) I don’t remember race coming up as a topic very much at all. I was just one of the girls. We were the “Blondtourage”lmao I know that’s not the case across the board, but the “color-blindness” they’re referring to isn’t too far a cry from what real people experience. With all that being said, the real issues and inequality she experienced behind the screen is still just as important to acknowledge and talk about because real people experience that too.
I never usually comment on these race bait videos , but the worse thing the sequel did was not letting Shawn be with Angela . I was fine with them not getting a happy ending in the main show, but to not let it happen for the sequel was a kick to the fans.
I thought it was ok. They cared so much for each other but had so much growing and self discovery to do, that they did literally continents apart, that I think it makes sense they would have difficulty coming back together to rekindle their relationship.
I love Shawn and Angela's relationship. Having a relationship between a white and black character was pretty big representation back in the day. Plus, I thought that their relationship was really sweet and endearing. I never liked how they handled Angela in Girl Meets World. That was one of the reasons I dropped the show. It never felt like a natural conclusion for their relationship, especially when Angela just wanted to spend time with her father instead of ditching Shawn. They just wanted to make Shawn and Kate into a couple just so that he could become Maya's step father. It just felt so forced and shallow to me. I still love their relationship and wish that they had ended up together.
I actually liked the show more when they were in college because of Trina’s character Angela. They didn’t mention race and I thought it was okay (because I was kid lol) I think things would be a little different if this show would come out today.
I think we need shows were certain situations of a interracial couple are addressed and shows where it makes no difference. Both are needed because one is needed social commentary and the other is the long term goal.
As a young African-American watching Boys Meet World , to me Topanga was close to black attitude. She was so cool. I loved the whole show and had a crush on Sean. I didn't see the race issue because I was young and I figured that the whole crew would meet black people in high school. Then when Angela showed up, I was so happy. My name Is Angela btw. The show could have ended right then and there because I was satisfied.
Angela and Shawn were an obvious trauma bond. Both characters come from troubled pasts and bonded. But, I just don’t understand why so many comments are endorsing this type of bond? It’s not healthy. Edit: Trauma-boring relationships are in the same realm as relationships based on sexual intercourse. It’s surface-level, and in the real world, it does not last. Therefore, they were not going to end up together.
I'm 36 and my youngest child is 8, oldest is 18. Both boys. I remember my eldest and his cousins tween years being pretty similar to mine. Well, minus some of the wilder stuff I got into as a 90s latchkey kid. My 8 year old and nephews are also into the same stuff more or less as his older brother was into (video games, Legos, Pokémon cards, anime, etc.) I wonder if this is a more tween girl oriented issue.
Topanga is a complete hypocrite. Shaming men in harassment episode for the same Actually less forceful behavior then Forcing a kiss on the boy locked to a locker and flat said don't kiss me
Jacobs was a racist. Girl Meets World should have made Maya biracial, a child of Shawn and Angela, Angela having died in child birth, Shawn distraught and becomes an absent father, which explains why the Matthews care so much and would give Shawn an arc.
Ideally, she wouldn't. However, I was working within the confines that they were. At the time, Rider Strong didn't want to reprise the role at all, so they would need to explain Shawn's absence in a way that could be redeemed and legt the Maya character somewhat broken. Had they known he would guest later on and throughout, they could have just said he was away at work and kept Angela around.
Angela deserved so much better during her run. Her and Shawn’s relationship was probably the healthiest relationships on the show. Also, Shawn’s actor treated her with the upmost respect and kindness while the others snub her.
Yep, I will never be a Feminist because of all of this.
@@suezcontours6653wtf
😂 ut! What is an ut??
I think differently. Angela and Shawn were a trauma bond. Their trauma and troubled history linked them together. I wouldn’t wish that on anyone, so I just don’t feel comfortable endorsing that ship, no matter how good or treated her.
@@TH-camReady No, they weren't trauma bonding. They never did toxic things to each other. They had more mature things happen to them hence why Shawn took Angela more seriously than other girls. Normal high school girls worry about superficial stuff while Angela seems to be able to communicate a level far beyond that challenged Shawn.
Absolutely loved how the show treated Shawn and Angela's relationship every bit as casually as all the other couples on the show. Their racial difference was never used as a source of either humor or tension and the troubles they faced were only the ones every couple faces at some point. That was REAL progress!
VERY TRUE 🙌
Agreed, I liked that they never highlighted or drew attention to their race difference, and they were a very relatable couple.
I was pretty young when I watched this show but not once did I see Shawn and Angelia as a “racial” couple. They were really good together and I enjoyed watching them be together.
I remember the conservative talking points at the time said that interracial dating wasn't normal in America and liberal media was trying to normalize something that was abnormal for most Americans.
As a kid growing up in a diverse metropolitan area, Shawn and Angela's relationship looked normal to me and I started questioning why conservatives didn't want that.
It was honestly the beginning of my understanding of conservative "values" when it comes to "purity". You can't unsee that. While interracial marriage is more accepted by conservatives now, we still see them fighting for gender purity, and certainly can't forget those years of them fighting for the "sanctuary of marriage". It all comes back to purity morals that are patriarchal and racist.
Good point. Even now if they were in a relationship on tv every conflict would be centered around race but on Boy meets World there's no wisecracks, centering race, or even weird comments about it as far as I can remember.
The fact that Trina was 27 playing a 15 years old is a total trip out.
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I was just thinking about this she was damn near 30, ten years older than all of them lol
It's sad how the writers were so mean to Shawn, they killed of his dad, his favorite teacher disappeared, his mom ran away, and so did Angela.
It’s so interesting to me that the 80’s, 90’s and early 2000’s had such a myriad of wonderful representation for Black women and girls and until recently there was major regression. You had characters like Angela; bohemian, beautiful intelligent and carefree, Lisa Turtle, Ashley Banks, Laura Winslow, Moesha Mitchell etc. for the last couple of decades Black women onscreen are either invisible by erasure, cartoonishly stereotypical, or a prop/foil to all non poc characters. One of the reasons growing up in this era was unmatched. Black women and girls had the opportunity to be fully realized and fully fleshed out characters onscreen. We were depicted, in all our nuances as human.
Why do you think this stopped?
@@WatchTheClipsFilm-TvBecause the so called progress Hollywood really only want us around when we fit into their own preconceived stereotypes. Thats why there’s no room for the prude, wealthy, nerdy, or conservative black woman, just the slutty, poor, ghetto, ill-behaved ones that they keep cramming down our throats in music and television. It’s extremely annoying, feels like our reputation as women are always under attack.
@@WatchTheClipsFilm-TvI think part of the reason that this stopped is because in an effort to bring about equality of characters people started focusing on all the things you couldn’t do with black characters because it will be seen as racist. And while that has merit and is admirable it always makes some people skittish so that resort to making flat characters that have no flaws etc which makes them uninteresting and not relatable. So people lose interest. So then the writers and show runners start believing that people don’t want to see black women characters when the truth is we want to see fleshed out characters. That’s one of the reasons I think it happened.
@@mtblaho oh that’s a smart explanation icl, never saw it that way
They did her dirty by not having her in the final episode
I do wish that Angela and Shawn would had end up together on the spinoff and they could had adopted Riley's friend Maya. You would had never knew that Trina McGee was almost in her 30s playing Angela.
That would have been am interesting plot line.
30s isn't old or middle aged its not unbelievable
I my imagination, they did end up together. I think the spinoff sucked and should’ve never happened. Spinoffs/reboots always cater to new generations. The boy meets world spinoff shoulda been about them as adult. dealing with adult life issues. And it shouldn’t have been on Disney Channel. Would’ve been way more successful i think.
@@nes96it is unbelievable when her character was supposed to be 15. She was playing someone half her age and did an amazing job and looked the part. That is unbelievable especially when today they cast people in their late 20s, early 30s as teens and they look like they are in their 20s and 30s.
I’m Latina, and grew up watching BMW. I loved how the show treated Shawn and Angela’s relationship. It didn’t center around them being an interracial couple, just two people that really loved each that happened to be from different racial backgrounds. My husband is white and our relationship isn’t based on how different our backgrounds are, just how we love each other and bring out the best in one another.
5:26 I’m sorry, but my ideal experience as a black woman is to be treated like everyone else so this was refreshing to me. “My blackness” isn’t front and center in everyday human interaction, I don’t expect non black people to worry about “well, what does that mean/do/feel as a black woman” when it comes to life experiences EVERY PERSON goes through.
Beautifully said💜
Totally agree 🙌. I'm Latina and have the same concept. It's honestly offensive to be treated differently, like people have to tip toe-- no
I agree with you. I think that is what I loved Angela so much bc she was obviously black (I mean, she wasn’t ambiguous) but she was also just a person. and preteen me loved that about her!
Black woman here that grew up on this show I’m 30 now and I promise I was so obsessed with Angela’s and Shawn’s relationship like the passion and intimacy along with the intensity was so awesome to me. Of course I stan Corey and Topanga but Angela and Shawn were the STANDARD.
The actress who played Bonnie on The Vampire Diaries had a lot of the same treatment.
I hated how they didn't end up together. The notion that only Cory and Topanga get to have this long lasting love is stupid. There could have been different kinds of love on that show, but they were so single minded that they didn't even bother to do anything else.
I was shocked to find out that Trina McGee is actually ten years older than Rider Strong and already in her 30's when the show ended. It's a tribute to Trina's talent and youthfulness that you could hardly tell any age gap between her and the rest of the cast.
I felt sorry for Trina McGee behind the scenes as well. She had issues with Will Friedle, who called her "Aunt Jemima" in the makeup trailer, as well as Danielle Fishel and Ben Savage, being made to feel like a stranger after 60 episodes. However, she has since mended fences with Friedle and Fishel.
But was Rider Strong nice to her???
@@MermaidGal90 Yes, she reported that Rider and the crew were absolutely lovely to her.
This beats the usual complaints from older white actors when a Black actor who guest starred/had a long character arc/season regular said something after the fact of their time and the white actor whining about being cancelled rather than sincerely apologizing and making amends. Kudos to the cast!
@MermaidGal90 When she finally came out with the microagressions that happened to her during her time on set, he was the one that cheered her on for finally being able to bring it up and discuss it.
Trina as Angela with her natural hair, styled hair, with lines, and having her own brand of humour and personality is ever a statement. The character is an icon not only for BMW but for TV history, and Trina is a hero for many, including me.
I loved her vulnerability with her family when her father was introduced and I remember hearing the audience reaction when she finally told Shawn she loved him. If they could fly through the ceiling, they would. Same here.
That they ended is realistic, yes, but I hear many fans say that their relationship is the most realistic one on the show. There can only be one Cory and Topanga yes because there is only one Cory and one Topanga. But Shawn and Angela were different, and fans, many fans, wanted that too. They did work, and they pulled each other through things, and the way they respected one another, reconciled, and put one before the other is an example to many.
I like GMW and their characters too. But them writing Angela like that left a bitter taste in my mouth. Of course, Trina pulled it off nicely and you still see Shawn's care for her come through. "Put more of you in the world" was his answer when she asked him if she should have children, and yeh, I cried. But just for what their relationship could have been, but for what her continued character could have been in the show.
In watching this, I’m realizing that Angela has become an archetype for black women characters in mainstream shows. I remember almost the exact same storylines and tropes being used for Mercedes Jones in Glee, down to not allowing her character to have a healthy longterm relationship with her high school boyfriend because that “wasnt realistic” (but like everyone else was able to maintain a relationship with and even marry their high school sweethearts 🤔)
I always loved Shawn and Angela as a couple, especially since there were so few representations of interracial couples on screen. I liked that it was never really treated as an issue, and was disappointed that the spinoff revealed that they ultimately split up. However, at least they were on civil terms.
Angela deserved better she was an icon. I’m thankful for Trina’s performance!
You should have played more of that audio clip from pod meets world podcast to give them full context of the incident between Will and Trina, so that your viewers would know that Trina sternly took the time to educate Will on why his joke was inappropriate, and how Will took her criticism and grew as a person from the experience.
The way you edited it for your video seems to be engineered to create controversy. I highly suggest everyone go listen to the entire podcast.
Yes podcast is great!!!!
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But the video frames it as if it was huge ordeal, and that he was intentionally hurtful. Instead of it being made in and ingorant passing comment, and he was unaware of the connotation of the comment.
Will also says that the incident "literally changed my life" in the episode.
Also there wasn't an animosity between the cast mates the perceived animosity was created by people behind the scenes.The majority of incidents Trina experienced were from the crew off set.
Trina, Ryder, Danielle, and Will expressed sorrow over the lost years of friendships, because of what producer implied about their feelings toward each other were.
In the episode the cast talks about the fact that their age differences, and life experiences created a hurdle for them to get to know each other better during the show run.
Again it's a great episode of a great podcast I highly recommend both but especially that episode.
@@thzene4967 then don't read them.
@@thzene4967 then why do you continue to engage?
Yes, couldn't agree more! I listen to the podcast every week and it's important to know she educated him, and he apologized profusely and learned from his mistake.
Well, I didn’t appreciate, was that in Girl meets world they made her out to just be Shawn’s ex girlfriend when she was a part of their whole friend group, her and topanga were even roommates in college dorm, and and they’re own apartment together!
The fact that Ben has never apologized to her, has never offered a public or private explanation, and has refused to acknowledge the situation is all you need to know about him.
Yeah it’s weird. Like they almost don’t acknowledge his existence on the podcast. But I think his involvement would silly things too much, bc of issues with Trina-but honestly I think they bigger issue that nobody seems to talk about is allegations against his brother, who is a director and ironically was in A BMW episode about teacher abusing power and assaulting his student.
Apologize for what? She still has not even said what he supposedly did to her.. I think she's full of shit.
Ben didnt do anything racist, he was just a typical egotistical child star who thought he was the ish and didnt let anyone forget it lol. Basically she felt he should have put more respect on her name since she was a grown woman and he was a child in her eyes, but in no way was he racist or even treating her differently than the rest of the cast.
@@CCI320she never said he was racist, hell she didnt even call the guy who made a racist joke racist she just said he was ignorant due to his lack of interaction with black people. Yall blew it out of proportion
5:23 in season 1 episode 8Eric dated an Asian girl named Lynda, she was presented as a Cheerleader and all American girl who brought Morgan a Chinese lantern. Her storyline was used to address race from a white perspective allowing the viewers who never experienced it get a small glimpse of their non white classmates have to face. Ashamed we never saw Lynda again nor was it addressed with Angela
Angela was always one of my favorite characters. I was so upset when they broke up.
One thing people get wrong is the "life long crush" thing with Topanga. Season 1 just had her as the "weird" girl Cory went to school with. They retconned a lot after season 1, like how his sister disappeared for several seasons.
I always loved Trina's character on the show, she was like a slap-in-the-face the show really needed. And they really did do her character wrong. I've only seen a few episodes of Girl Meets World, and what I saw did not live up to the original, much like other shows they tried to do follow ups to.
I can't speak for the people that identified with her, nor as someone who could identify with her on race and ethnicity, but I have to say, her being on the show and them not making a big show of her race being contrast with the rest of the cast helped normalizing such aspects in current shows. It gives us a positive look at what a world could be like without the hate so many people jump into (basically conservatives).
In one aspect that some might not think about, that I think is important, they normalized her existence in a non-scifi show, meaning it didn't have to be some fantasy, other worldly life that in many ways seems impossible to live in, they gave us a look at our own society and living in the here and now (mostly) without the predjudices we otherwise see every day. Or if needed to put simply, they didn't have to stick her on a space ship named the Enterprise, for her character to be taken seriously.
"One thing people get wrong is the "life long crush" thing with Topanga. Season 1 just had her as the "weird" girl Cory went to school with. They retconned a lot after season 1, like how his sister disappeared for several seasons. " - yes! I watched the show as a kid, didn't really get into it, then a couple years later my younger brother got into it and we used to argue about that. To me Cory had hated Topanga and coming back seasons later it was jarring. He insisted that Cory was always in love with her.
@@Evamarie41I wouldn't say hated, more like, she was just there, and then the episode where they had to do a project together was their real first interaction that we know of. I also think she became the 3rd best friend the video talks about around the 3:20 mark. Their on screen chemistry probably pushed for that change in season 2 onward.
I loved Shawn and Angela’s relationship even more than Corey and Topangna’s. I thought S&A were more realistic, the writers screwed us over by not having them end up traveling the world and creating beauty together. Loved the episode when she told Cory that they weren’t really friends 🤣 oh and the episode where Shawn wrote that poem about her and she slapped him. Well…I know what I’m watching this weekend.
Did everyone else get a glitch around 9:56-10:03?
Yes. It's recorded that way, seems like.
Angela is the only reason I watched Boy Meets World
I a white boy who was living in Wyoming understandably had a crush on Topanga, I mean just look at her right. But when Andela was added to the show I had a way bigger crush on her. And while yes to is at least as beautiful it wasn't that. She had the brains and personality that I like to have around me. To me she was the person on the character on the show I most would want to spend time with in real life. To be frank my regular watching of boy meets world dropped of when she left the show. Like I still watched it and still enjoyed it but it wasn't the same. It taught me a lot about TV and how it can work. I think they messed up with her for sure. And now I'm learning they messed up behind the scenes too. This was very interesting thank you.
Loved her character on that show! She was a big part of why I kept watching💜💜
Thanks for making this. Definitely a very important character.
Boy Meets World was such a refreshing show for its time. It managed to capture the exact feeling of growing up and all the awkwardness around it. I'm only sixteen and resonate with it so deeply despite the fact that it was set in the 90s. Even though Cory is the protagonist I think characters like Shawn, Topanga and Angela stole the show. I see myself in Topanga so heavily as we are both young girls with such a strong sense of ambition and perfectionism to the point that it can hinder us.
Did her dirty in GMW. Should’ve been Shawn and Angela’s daughter that was best friends with Riley. Oh well at least we got Sabrina Carpenter out of that terrible spin-off.
The parallel treatment of Angela (Trina ), Lisa (Lark) from Saved by the Bell and Bonnie (Kat) from The Vampire Diaries is truly horrendous. I'd love to see videos on Lisa and Bonnie next because they were also done dirty and deserved so much better.
She will always be remembered for what she was able to achieve.
She carried the "and then there was Shawn 🔪" episode🤣🤣🤣💙💞 I LOVE this show!
Would love to see more videos on black characters and/or the shows that come from that specific Era of UPN
I hated what they did with Shawn/Angela on GMW. It makes no sense narratively other than they wanted Maya and Shawn to have a connection. Shawn's relationship with Maya's mom is forced.
BMW definitely was a show that was worth watching, especially with Angela thrown in the mix. While I noticed the token Black person trope coming into play, it nevertheless felt fleshed out. Just seeing Shawn and Angela's romantic relationship was so satisfying to witness and never focused too much on them being an interracial couple. Also, finding out that Will Friedle uttered Aunt Jemima towards Trina broke my heart. Though, it's good to know that the two made up and that she and the rest of the cast are still keeping in touch.
I loved her character! Shawn and Angela brought so much to the show. Corey and Topanga relationship could have still be "special" AS WELL as Shawn and Angela. They should have ended up together.
Watching this show, it was the first time I saw an interracial relationship. After a while, I saw it as it is…Didn’t like the breakup though.
Angela was gone without any update. Mind you we GOT Minkus after years of hiatus. I agree that she deserved more development…At times, it was boring to see Cory and Topanga at the center of the show.
It is getting tiresome to witness shows like this when the minority character gets the shortest end of the stick. wasn’t as developed as the others.
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Though I can understand there being a debate about mentioning race, I’m personally glad that it was never a focal point specifically in the friend group because what they went with is kind of an accurate depiction of those types of relationships in my opinion. As a woman of color who grew up with predominantly white friends and partners (honestly purely because we shared the same interests) I don’t remember race coming up as a topic very much at all. I was just one of the girls. We were the “Blondtourage”lmao I know that’s not the case across the board, but the “color-blindness” they’re referring to isn’t too far a cry from what real people experience. With all that being said, the real issues and inequality she experienced behind the screen is still just as important to acknowledge and talk about because real people experience that too.
I never usually comment on these race bait videos , but the worse thing the sequel did was not letting Shawn be with Angela . I was fine with them not getting a happy ending in the main show, but to not let it happen for the sequel was a kick to the fans.
I thought it was ok. They cared so much for each other but had so much growing and self discovery to do, that they did literally continents apart, that I think it makes sense they would have difficulty coming back together to rekindle their relationship.
How is it “race bait” to address blatant racism? Or even just an analysis of a Black character?
She’s an icon to me. A 25 year old married bw with a baby (who looks very young) and acting. She’s an inspiration
Sheesh
I hate the fact that every other 80's/90's sitcom had to have a token black friend who's usually female and therefore a non-threatening archetype
I loved Shawn and Angela they were so well written. I hated that could reconcile in Girl Meets World
I've been loving all the character analysis of these throwbacks shows, please do more of these. 😊
I loved Shawn and Angela they were a great couple.
Angela was such a big deal to me at 10 years old i finally saw a girl who looks like me and is just so cool i hate how they did her on the reboot
I have been waiting for a take on Boy Meets World since I found this channel and loved that you talked about Angela.
Glad to see this being talked about
I love Shawn and Angela's relationship. Having a relationship between a white and black character was pretty big representation back in the day. Plus, I thought that their relationship was really sweet and endearing. I never liked how they handled Angela in Girl Meets World. That was one of the reasons I dropped the show. It never felt like a natural conclusion for their relationship, especially when Angela just wanted to spend time with her father instead of ditching Shawn. They just wanted to make Shawn and Kate into a couple just so that he could become Maya's step father. It just felt so forced and shallow to me. I still love their relationship and wish that they had ended up together.
This was a great video! I’d love to hear Angela Moore’s take on The Take’s video. She deserves it!
Another 90s show that portrayed pairing off with people of different races as normal was Hey Arnold.
Loved her!💎✨💐
One of my favorite shows!
Coincidentally, I was just watching the 'Black People Love Paramore' episode on 'Boy Meets World.' 😂 Perfect Timing. 👌
Growing up I never looked at this show or other shows as needed diversity I just watched and enjoyed 🤷🏿♀️
Thank you for touching on all of this 🙏
Angela was so beautiful! Disney did her dirty!
I only watched the show because of Angela
I actually liked the show more when they were in college because of Trina’s character Angela. They didn’t mention race and I thought it was okay (because I was kid lol) I think things would be a little different if this show would come out today.
I think we need shows were certain situations of a interracial couple are addressed and shows where it makes no difference. Both are needed because one is needed social commentary and the other is the long term goal.
@@slashandbones13 true you’re absolutely right! I got to say I was disappointed that in the new series they ended up not being together.
OMG DO KAT GRAHAM NEXT! that girl was EVERYTHING on the Vampire Diaries and ooooh THEY DID HER SO DIRTY!
I watched this show BECAUSE of Angela. Had I not seen her while flipping through channels I would have never watched this show.
Hope we get more diverse content like this more than the regular examining of friends, mean girls, and sex in the city
As a young African-American watching Boys Meet World , to me Topanga was close to black attitude. She was so cool. I loved the whole show and had a crush on Sean. I didn't see the race issue because I was young and I figured that the whole crew would meet black people in high school. Then when Angela showed up, I was so happy. My name Is Angela btw. The show could have ended right then and there because I was satisfied.
She’s always been so pretty! 😍
Who writes these scripts? 'weary' when you meant 'wary', 'regulated' when you meant 'relegated'. are they written by chatgpt?
I also heard that they didn't have anyone who could do her hair, so she would have to stay up the night before to do it herself.
Trina McGee ❤
Angela and Shawn were an obvious trauma bond. Both characters come from troubled pasts and bonded. But, I just don’t understand why so many comments are endorsing this type of bond? It’s not healthy.
Edit: Trauma-boring relationships are in the same realm as relationships based on sexual intercourse. It’s surface-level, and in the real world, it does not last. Therefore, they were not going to end up together.
She should’ve went to Europe after the series finale. They should’ve had in the last episode
What’s with the annoying jazz in the background
Please do a video in the future on Shawn!
Trina still looking like a smoke show 😍
4:55 literally makes no sense there were black women kissed on screen before BMW
Angela was one of my favorite characters.
I was really upset to hear about the behind-the-scenes bullshit that she put up with.
The whole aunt j comment tho. 😮💨 they knew better.
They totally did...they always do.
Who's they? It was Will. There's no they.
Blacks are the only people who will SCREAM racist remarks in the streets, then b!tch when someone else does it…..to that I say “GET OVER IT!” 😂
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They should have been endgame 😩
I'm 36 and my youngest child is 8, oldest is 18. Both boys. I remember my eldest and his cousins tween years being pretty similar to mine. Well, minus some of the wilder stuff I got into as a 90s latchkey kid. My 8 year old and nephews are also into the same stuff more or less as his older brother was into (video games, Legos, Pokémon cards, anime, etc.) I wonder if this is a more tween girl oriented issue.
Facts!
thanks ✌
They just had her asking like sammy
The 90s yo
All this did was remind me of how god damn Bad Trina was! 😍😍😍😍
Topanga is a complete hypocrite. Shaming men in harassment episode for the same Actually less forceful behavior then Forcing a kiss on the boy locked to a locker and flat said don't kiss me
Jacobs was a racist. Girl Meets World should have made Maya biracial, a child of Shawn and Angela, Angela having died in child birth, Shawn distraught and becomes an absent father, which explains why the Matthews care so much and would give Shawn an arc.
Why does Angela have to die?
Ideally, she wouldn't. However, I was working within the confines that they were. At the time, Rider Strong didn't want to reprise the role at all, so they would need to explain Shawn's absence in a way that could be redeemed and legt the Maya character somewhat broken. Had they known he would guest later on and throughout, they could have just said he was away at work and kept Angela around.
Like the video please
I have zero recollection of this character, bizarre
Third!
I am a POC and I truly believe inclusion is not important.
Then you are probably the only one 😂😂😂
@@Willow-cw9te diversity shouldn't drive a story.
@@brendagomez8656 but it didn’t drive their story
You don’t speak for us and there is proof that representation makes a difference. This video literally shows how
Why is it token black actresses just HAVE to find "micro aggressions" to tweet about? I wonder what Anne Frank would make of this "struggle"?
The first time I ever saw teenage black girl character I related too! I thank god GMW introduced me to her to this day🫶🏿