There's high debate amongst watchmakers regarding this version of the powermatic 80. Some watchmakers say they won't touch it whatsoever. And just advise you to send them back to Tissot where they'll just swap out the movement and you'll have to wait months to get your watch back. Some argue that this version of the powermatic 80 is actually beneficial. That the plastic parts help performance. It is worth noting that the watch can technically be serviced. But it takes a watchmaker that has the experience and knowledge about this specific movement to do so. This video is not made to bash the PRX and say its a bad watch. Infact, it's still an amazing watch to own. But this is something that is worth considering with the PRX that not many reviewers talk about. I've had a lot of watchmakers thank me for making this video and comment on how the movement is a pain in the ass to work with. And how a more traditional movement would've been better. Then some watchmakers say its fine and the movement is great. It's a highly debated topic, even on watch forums amongst movement nerds. The whole point of the video is that traditional, non swatch group watchmakers will have much more difficulty servicing this version of the powermatic 80. Some won't even touch the thing. Leaving you only one option, send it back to Tissot for the service. This is usually a higher price than an indipendant watchmaker. And will likely take a lot longer than one too. Also, they swap out the movement for a new one. If this isn't a negative to you, that's fine. To me, it is. I like the idea of a watch lasting a lifetime, movement included. In a world of throw away technology and outdated software, having something that can be fixed and restored for an entire lifetime is such an attractive idea.
Hmm, but independent of the pain of servicing the watch, is there any consensus about whether these plastic parts are effective and/or durable? Are the plastic parts precipitating the need for servicing more often than if the parts were made of metal?
@@lihongji8864if youre buying a mass produced watch for a few hundred and intend on creating a sentimental bond with a tiny part you'll rarely even see which you can eventually give your grandkid, then you have weird goals.
The plastic/synthetic parts are the thing that makes it advantageous. It’s self lubricating, and could last longer than standard metal parts as they don’t need re-oiling. For your point at the end about it being easier to swap out the whole movement than to service, well that’s also an advantage, its far less time consuming to do a full swap and thus less expensive as well. Also, these movements that have been removed and swapped would not go to waste if that’s another concern. Tissot will send these parts to their service centers to be serviced then put in a new watch, this is common practice in the Swatch group. You also make it sound like it’s impossible to calibrate the movement, which is most certainly is not, it just needs a different type of equipment which given the popularity of the PRX and the Powermatic 80 being heavily used, Tissot would make said equipment readily available in their service centers. Also, I believe there is still a standard regulator screw somewhere in the movement, so third party watchmakers and service centers could still calibrate the movement. The movement will also soon be very easy to acquire parts for as the ETA movement the Powermatic 80 is based on is widely used by other brands such as Hamilton, Mido, Certina, Rado, and more, so parts won’t be an issue as well. We shouldn’t be quick to judge Tissot for using some plastic parts, without even considering its advantages. And who knows, in a few years time once this tech has gotten some years behind it, it may turn out to be better than using all metal parts for entry level mechanical watches.
Glad someone said it. I wasnt looking forward to writing that all out 😂. Well put. These movements are still serviceable. Just because 2 parts (escape wheel and pallet fork from my understanding) are made of plastic doesnt mean the entire movement cant be serviced. Its still an eta 2824, which can easily be serviced. Considering an eta 2824 is around $250, and you can get a powermatic 80 for $120-$150, its quite an advantage and something you could even do at home if you have the tools. Honestly the worst part about the movement is just the fact its 3hz instead of 4hz. I personally wear mine every other day and have no need for 80hrs and would prefer 4hz 40hrs. But still very nice nonetheless you can get an 80hr power reserve at this price point.
@@wage6681 yup, that 80 hr power reserve is very much personal preference. I think I’m in the same boat with you wherein I would have preferred the PRX to have had a 4hz movement, cause I have 6 other watches that are in my daily rotation so by the time I get to wearing my PRX again, the power reserve would have run out anyway 😂. But yes, I do agree that having an 80 hour power reserve at its $675 price point is just unmatched and it’s definitely a great selling point.
Tissot uses plastic cause it is self lubricating and more durable to shocks, drops and bumps also it is easier to replace as well as cheaper. Even seiko uses this plastic parts
Its a swiss brand, affordable, lovely lovely design, an option for quartz and an automatic, now has different colors, has one of the best dials around. This without a doubt a perfect 10/10 everyday watch.
I went with the quartz 35mm version with the dark blue dial. I did it so I wouldn't have to spend much to get a service. I'm very impressed with it so far. It looks too good for the price. The finish on every bit of the watch is unbelievable. It's been my every day wear for the past few weeks, and I own a Rolex.
@@dabeaniebeanerWhat do you mean by "work good"? Quartz is more accurate at keeping time than automatic watches anyway. The difference here is the finish in the dial and the automatic movement. Not worth over double the price in my opinion on this particular watch.
@@dabeaniebeaner I guess it depends what you're really looking for. I don't think a Tissot PRX is a bad shout. I also don't think Seiko 5 is something to overlook, they have some pretty nice models like the Seiko 5 Sport, teddy baldassere has a few good reviews of them.
There are definitely concerns with the plastic escapement. However, they should be serviced as any other movement except with the replacement of worn plastic parts. I own a Tissot with th C07.601 P80, which has the traditional all metal escapement, and it has no issues. You mentioned that it does not have an adjustment lever for regulating timing. That is because the balance is free sprung like some Rolex movements, this allows greater resistance to shocks from changing the adjustment of the watch. Instead of using an adjusting lever, it uses timing weights that are mounted to the balance wheel.
@DANGMOE of course. The 2824 platform has been around since the 70s. It has proven itself to be a reliable design. The plastic escapement is not widely agreed on, but for as long as it functions, one shouldn't have issues out of it until the plastic wears out.
C07 movements are highly serviceable, so it's not just throwaway movement, they use special lubricant compared to the common swiss lever 9415 oil which if other watchmaker out there have the proper lubricant they could fix this watch too, and also the rate is adjustable by adjusting the eccentric screw as FFS it's a free sprung balance. They exchange the movement so the turn around time of servicing is faster while the old movement sent to Swiss to service as we're not only servicing Tissot in the workshop but also up all the way to Breguet which need much more time to spend with. Well, we exchange the movement in the service center so that the customer received back their watch much more quicker, and then we repackage the movement, ship 'em old customer movements out to Swiss HQ movement refurbishing facility to service to dismantle, wash, relubricate, fixing the parts that needed, broken parts would be collected and remade to become new parts, regulated and tested again according to the spec, went to QC then repackage it then sent to the service center around the world to use again as an exchange movement. If it's being serviced inside the customer service, just a standard mechanical watch without complication would need 3.5-4 hours of servicing, which include dismantling while also diagnostic of the movement parts, washing which would take an hour, assembling, lubricating, adjustment and testing, and it's not even going to the QC department yet. And seeing on how many Tissot, Certina, Hamilton, Mido, etc watches that is being sold per unit, if we do this, one could expect to wait for 4-6 months of queueing up just to be serviced. And also... Composite on watches has been existing for quite a in fact, date mech on japanese watches and also used on Omega 1xxx movements, lemania 5100s which some wheel and bridges and 1861's chronograph wheel brake, valjoux 7750s chrono runner brake/hour counter brake too, and also Tissot Idea2001. I think "the controversial" usage of composite element in the escapement pretty much even now in Tissot watches was also due to their research on that Idea2001 watch too, which have less friction during the runs of it, and it's also part of their heritage too, though Swatch also used the Tissot tech in the watch they produce. And it seem at some points there's just a stigma about any formulation of "plastic product" as cheap, while the process that produce that escapement is actually quite a technical achievement in and of itself. And also I haven't seen yet C01/C07 composite escapement melted by far inside a movement due to impact which happens during the locking phase of the escapement. There's nothing I could say about this as it's still a pretty new like from 2008. Though, from what I see from the Tissot Idea 2001, the escapement was "self lubricating" too, and due to less friction I guess there is less heat that was being generated by the impact of the working escapement, though there is the wear and tear factor that could happens with this escapement, I might have to mention too that the normal steel grinding against ruby for quite a long time could also produce the wear and tear of the ruby itself starting with scratches then the steel and the ruby was eating themselves out, just like sapphire crystal of a watch that has been worn for quite a bit without care, it could led to scratches too. Conclusion, material wise, it'll just behave like the usual escapement, have to be maintained too, though I might add it should be handled carefully as you don't want to deform the escapement at all, which would mess with the geometry it was produced as accurately as possible, causing bad performance if used. And also, this very watch used the very same hairspring developed by swatch group and APRP, nivarox, and no it's not from a "plastic" like you said but alloy of titanium and carbon, which more anti magnetic than standard hairspring alloy used in common wrist watches especially in the same range. And due to the free sprung/no adjustment index on the balance cock instead in the arm of the balance itself it is very sturdy against shock unlike standard non free sprung balance. And one could adjust it very accurately in comparison to the standard regulating system. There's a reason more and more haute horlogerie used free sprung instead of traditional system.
I'm not going to stand here and argue with your knowledge, you clearly know more than I do on this movement. However I do have a few points to make, I never said the movement couldn't be adjusted for accuracy, just that it doesn't have a traditional lever system. In terms of the plastic parts, the watchmakers I've spoken to say that they are much more difficult to service. And that less experienced watchmakers just won't touch them. Leading to ridiculous turn around times when sending it off to Tissot. Where I have it under good authority they'll just throw the movement out and pop in a new one. You're talking about the quality of the movement here, which I don't think is the issue. The movement is fine. I'm just mentioning a couple of features that are worth poiting out to potential PRX owners. The technology is fine, the servicing is something to consider.
@@TopTierTicker yet your video is mentioning that the movement is flawed. And I honestly think that you might read my comment which I admit sound very technical but it's just what it is. There's a misconception about making parts out of a composite cheapen the watch, eventhough the production of itself is really a technical marvel, and technically it's a lubricant free too, so your watchmaker doesn't even need to oil the escapement to make it run properly unlike the usual Swiss lever. And there's no need to adjust anything to the balance accuracy as once the eccentric screws on the arm of the balance is set there's no change in the accuracy regardless of how many times it was serviced. I don't understand where's the difficulty in servicing this watch, unless the "watchmaker" is just another watch breaker. Technician/watchmaker in Tissot? I work in one and as I said, PROPERLY overhauling these movement or any mechanical watch without complications needs atleast 4 hours, and in the workshop it's not only tissot, there's certina, rado, mido, longines, omega, glashutte original, breguet, jaquet droz, blancpain and etc, and counting on how many watches sold out there by Tissot, the waiting time would be a nightmare for a customer just queuing to be serviced thus except Longines and omega and other prestige brands they will exchange the movement with a new ones while the old customer movement would be overhauled back in HQ in ETA refurbishment facility, and that includes the very rusty ones. And it will be done so indefinitely as it's very unlikely that ETA manufacturer would be defunct, and even when (knocks on wood) it is, the composite escapement could be replaced with the standard steel and ruby common found in the 2824 movements. So no throwaway movement here even in the workshop.
@@watchnerdsthank you so much for your insight on this topic. If it wasnt for you i would have just took his words for fact and would have had a more negative view on the the prx. Keep sharing your Knowledge. In todays world everyone can just start a youtube channel and declare or present themselves as a expert even tho they really are not.
It has a free sprung balance wheel. It has adjustment screws that are adjustable for fine tuning its timing. The escape wheel and pallet fork are synthetic. The rest is made of normal materials. It is not a flaw of any kind. It reduces friction.
I compared both versions in the store and I went with the automatic one. The quartz is not bad by any means but it bothered me when I saw that the second hand doesn’t hit the markers perfectly 😝
My biggest querk when speaking about quartz ..if it dont hit the minute markers absolutely perfect ..its trash and I dont want anything to do with it. Even worse is when the second hand shakes when it tics 😢
When was the last time you serviced your watch? Modern movements barely need servicing. My Seiko skx GMT is a daily wear for me and even after 2 year of almost everyday usage it is working well within the tolerances
What would you replace the PRX with? I was going to purchase two today, but I will hold off instead. I want to dip my foot into the luxury watch world. Thank you.
there are two adjustment screws on a balance, which make an adjustment more accurate and precise. I could make my prx to do less then +0,5 seconds a day with it. Its a most precise movement I was ever working with…
i agree on all of what you said. its a cheap mass produced movement. using plastic parts on movement is a dealbreaker especially if its a critical part. people accepted the "plastic" on Lemania/Omega 1861 because its just a soft silicon delrin brake for the chrono which works great and doesn't BREAK unlike the plastics on powermatic80 😅 plastic escapement and pallet fork goodbye durability no shock resistance. just ba strong force flick on your wrist can break them hahaha
I own all quartz, not because of the price, my first watch was during the quartz revolution and I love them. I have 3 quartz prx's and would not change them.
I use to think plastic/nylon parts were a bad thing. Working on some of the things I do at my job, I am completely wrong! It holds up far better than metal ever could. Just think about a car’s suspension. What holds everything together and makes it last, so long as it’s not mistreated? In this case nylon, rubber, and plastic!
@@saish9225so what? Most of these watches will run pretty well for at least 5-10 years so if you have to drop 200 bucks once or twice a decade that’s still pretty decent value. Or you buy a 15,000 rolex and pay 1500 to service it every 5 years….
@saish9225 the fuck do you expect? Lower priced watches will always have higher proportion of their value taken up on maintaining them. This is largely irrelevant considering how reliable and well priced they are
It’s actually quite the opposite…many people are talking about that component. I like to sit on decisions for a while, but at that price point, I might still snag one some day.
As soon as I heard his opinion on this tissot automatic I instantly clicked “never recommend this channel” the plastic parts are easy to replace and they literally have major advantages long term. Glad this comment section passed the vibe check. I’ve seen hundreds and hundreds of videos on this exact Tissot automatic and this is honestly the first video I’ve seen of anyone trying to downplay it. Which is a good sign.. after overlooking them for so many years and actually getting one the quality is up there with the best for the price. It’s an insane watch for the price. I get more compliments and head turns w the tissot automatic then my omegas and my only two grand seikos, people are always amazed when they see it in person because of the price mostly but it also looks like quality don’t get me wrong. And btw I only got the grand seikos because i really wanted to see what the Japanese watches are made of & oh my god they are beautiful as well. I’m upset I didn’t get tissots sooner though because I could of saved some money at one point, but that was when I thought you needed to atleast spend 1500-4500$ to get a decent luxury watch.. moral of the story, tissot is god tier & you are 💩💩
It's factually correct that they don't actually. The movement is made to be disposable. But don't let my opinion spoil your enjoyment of the watch. The fact that you called someone '💩' shows your maturity levels anyway. Take care
Hmm i have the tissot prx chronograf with A05.H31 movment, does that one have a same flaw? I Marin this is more expensive watch that the regular trx automatic
I have powermatic 80 gendelman open heart dark blue dial! The watch is amazing! the movement is amazing cant take my eyes off! I dont care if ever need service and about the price! its worth getting it even for 3000!
Plastic is a derogatory word for high tech synthetic materials. As mentioned by others carefully chosen synthetic materials are mechanically superior to metals for some use cases. BTW: I recently acquired a Hamilton watch with a Powermatic 80. It’s the most precise mechanical watch in my collection and the cheapest.
so instead of bying "flawed" mechanical which might be a problem some day, you recommend crappy quartz where second hand does not hit the markers, for like 400$. 100$ quarts Casio will have better quality and hit every second marker, but this "luxury " swiss quartz will not
I had no problems at all getting my PRC200 Powermatic 80 from 2013 serviced. Tissot lists authorized service centers per country on their website with fixed prices for services. There’s a lot of fuss about the Powermatic being impossible to service or regulate - I don’t share that experience
I can say that my PRX 80 keeps time +-2 secs to my phone auto time setting after 2-3 days without winding daily, so, plastic or not, It looks good, feels good, it's good.
The quartz version is “ more true “ to the original version from back in the day .I also don’t understand the hype over cheap automatic watches . Not as accurate , more expensive to service or to replace the whole movement and more expensive ( in general ) to purchase .
I like the quartz version but it really should hit the makers like a $20 casio does. I sort of can't believe that's a thing that a Swiss watch maker is ok with.
Tissot watches are great. I have the gentleman 40mm stainless steel quartz which only cost me £400 and it’s my personal favourite. I have had watches far more expensive than my Tissot but they don’t look as good or perform the same level of accuracy as that one. Brilliant value for money.
It's an ETA movement in a palstic spacer ring. Tag Heuer Carrera 5 has an ETA movement in a plastic spacer ring too. But for 2500 euros, instead of 700. The ETA though can be bought in bulk for 50 Euros or even less, so there is some margin over the quartz tbh.
@@TopTierTicker I have done my research and seen that it's the Valjoux A05.H31 movement. My question was more around the servicing of the movement. It shouldn't have any servicing issues would it? And if you know, how much should one expect to spend on a servicing.
My watch guy, who works on everything, told me that quartz is really the way go. You just need to change the battery. He mentioned that "tuning up" an automatic cost way more than many, many battery changes. The worst case scenario, replacing the quartz mechanism, costs about 1/3 of an automatic tune up, and he mentioned that is rarely required.
The balance is free sprung, that is it does not, as you correctly state, have an Etachron adjuster on the balance spring. Instead it uses rotating weights on the balance itself, for adjusting rate and poise. This is a better system as used by Omega and lesser brands like Rolex. To state it is not adjustable is just wrong.
I never stated that it couldn't be adjusted. Just that it doesn't features an adjustment lever. Which is factually correct. I often use adjustment levers to adjust my watches. But free sprung balances are a lot harder for amateurs to work with. So this is a flaw for me.
@@TopTierTicker You spent the entire video rubbishing the movement, 'It's made mostly of plastic' and stating in effect that it would be repaired by replacement. Now you're saying that the movement is too good. Make up your mind. If this is the level of your discernment then I shall watch no more of you.
@@donaldasayers Top Tier Ticker googles this so-called "fact" of his and didn't even try to think deep enough. I can explain better than him: the PRX is equipped with the ETA.C07.111 movement; part of the C07 platform, and yes every effing Tissot you see (except for the Swissmatic because they use a movement derived from the Swatch sistem51) from PRX to Le Locle to Seastar 1000 and 2000---those are ALL ETA.C07.111 movements. Even the Certina Caimano line are equipped with ETA.C07.111 movements (the rest of the Certina DS watches have ETA.C07.611 which Rado also uses. Yes the Captain Cook is equipped with this very movement). Which means, if you follow this dumbassTopTierTicker's logic, then EVERY TISSOT watch is extremely flawed, unserviceable af like can you imagine the Tissot Seastar 2000 being "extremely flawed and unserviceable"?? Top Tier Ticker should do more research than Google ffs.
1. You can fine tune it 2. You can modifiy it so that it is having metal Parts 3. Swapping out movement as con is like saying “ready made sauce is bullshit”
Plastic escape wheel and fork is a good thing , very smooth action, and very long lasting, it's just an advancement in tech.. Tissot knows how to build good watches. Their is an adjustment , it's the two small screws on the balance wheel.
Late to the party, but Tissot is a Swatch Group brand, so they have a rather robust network to get parts to shops. As for the plastic parts, they use plastic parts in space shuttles and mission critical militaty kit too. What's your point? Plastic doesn't automatically mean low quality and there are many potential engineering considerations that could make plastic an appropriate choice. Heck, some plastics are more expensive than any of the metals they would use in watches at this price point. Per the no lever for enthusiasts to regulate at home, if that is something you care about, fair enough. It's not actually hard to do if you have the tools and know what you're doing.
So happy I didn't buy my Son one of these for his first serious mechanical watch. I would have been extremely angry to realise that this movement is basically using design cues from a typical quartz movement, bits of steel and plastic. We are fine if a quartz movement gives up after 5 years, but nobody is buying a mechanical watch with the same expectation and at twice the cost of the quartz.
No, watchmakers struggle intensly with the plastic parts of the Powermatic escapement, as they are basically build for a one way trip and wear out. At some point they just don't gain the necessary amplitude to pass the "good enough to wear". At the service center they change the movement and back at HQ they revise the movement and put new plasics into it. On the customers end this might be better in terms of reliability and service time but on the other hand Tissot basically gains a monopole on future service. Please keep in mind that only the lowest Powermatic version has the plastic parts, the "Silicone" Versions are still a fully mechanical watch without any plasic whatsoever.
Thank you, this is the point I'm trying to make with the video. You are being forced to service the watch with Tissot. The movement is great but, I'm glad someone understands the flaw in the system.
@@TopTierTicker No, the watchmakers that complain about this haven't upgraded their workshops and education to the standard required for a factory Swatch parts account. Same as the rest of the big companies. You think Joe Blow the Self Taught Botchmaker can just call up Richemont for replacement JLC date jumpers? Same thing with Swatch now. If you don't meet the requirements for a service account, you don't get the parts so you don't ruin their reputation with shoddy work. Instead they seem to be trying to ruin Swatch's reputation with shoddy misinformation...
Yes, totally possible! I have a tissot seastar 2014 (first gen of powermatic) and when the reverser wheels got stuck and it stopped hacking, i just swapped in a high grade eta 2824-2. Now it has 4hz and a much more accurate and serviceable movement. Although it does still say powermatic 80 on the dial 😂. Sellita sw200 works as well. Basically the exact same movement as eta 2824-2.
@@Matt463634some people wear their watches everyday and would rather have the smoother 4hz movement and increased accuracy that comes with it and have no need for "80" hour (the reason its called powermatic 80) power reserve. 40 hours does just fine for most.
Better? A mechanical is more expensive but not always better. If you wear it everyday a mechanical is fine, if it sits around & you don't keep it wound the oils dry. Quartz won't have that problem & plenty accurate.
I've missed the plastic movement part in my review (as someone in the comments noted!); however it seems these types of movements are more resistant to shocks, don't need lubricant, and remember it's a CHEAP mechanical watch. An actual service from a watchmaker is likely going to cost you more than just having a new movement swapped in it - I don't necessarily see this as a bad thing.
I don't disagree that the plastic parts help the actual functionality of the watch, they probably do improve it. But the whole romance of a mechanical watch is the longevity. The fact that a single watch and all it's parts can last a lifetime with occasional servicing and good care. Which isn't the case with this piece. Even the cost of the Tissot service isn't an issue, although I'm sure the wait time is more than usual. The 'disposable' movement is a big negative for this watch, that doesn't really seem to get covered.
Well but on the other hand I sent back 2 quartz ones because the second hand was not aligned with the outside lines for both of them and it triggered me so badly
how's the fact that the quartz movement is considered "not serviceable but replaceable" is it still worth to pick it up, because i want it to last as long as possible
Thanks for pointing that out but the PRX is not a mechanical watch - it’s an automatic watch. When you call it mechanical it specifically entails that the movement of the watch is specifically Mechanical meaning it lacks automatic self winding(rotor). It’s even on the dial “Powermatic 80” because it has 80 hours of power reserve from its automatic movement.
@@peter84624 hahah girl come on, thats pretty much what im trying to clarify! yes - technically all automatics are mechanical watches. But an automatic watch and mechanical watch are two different movements. Its like calling Seikos Spring drive movements "quartz" movements. I just personally believe that calling it mechanical instead of properly addressing it an automatic a pet peeve of mine. well just not using the right words in general urks me.
@@IreallycantthinkofahandleAutomatic watches are special types of mechanical watches, they are not completely different movements. There are companies (Like Timex with the Marlin) that buy an automatic movement, rip the rotor and the self winding mechanism off, and use that movement as a hand winding movement. Just like an internal combustion engine car, it's still the same engine, no matter if it's an automatic sold in the US, or a manual sold in Europe.
@@peter84624 I completely understand that but I don’t think your understanding what I’m trying to say is which is fine. All I’m saying is names of things are important. I would just never call a Omega Speed Master an automatic watch. I don’t know if you know how ground breaking it was when automatic movements became a thing. It was revolutionary. Saying they are the same thing is a great dishonor to the invitation that went into developing automatic movements.
you can get a PRX Powermatic 80 for $400-$500... Servicing my Tag cost me $750... At that point just buy a new PRX when it needs to be serviced, it'll be cheaper.
Bro, it's just the escapement wheel and the escapement fork that is made out of plastics, not the "whole inner movement". Also Tissot does this since about 30 years and the parts still hold up!
If I was you I would buy the quartz Prx (the cheapest one) I have one and it’s amazing I bought it second hand and it works perfectly and looks and feels so comfortable. I would recommend it to anyone looking for a watch also the dial looks amazing in the sun. I have the 35 mm one because it suits my wrist better and I would recommend that because integrated bracelets can make the dual look bigger on the wrist. This is the best watch out there imo under 500 quid.
Ironically that’s what they do when you get them serviced they pretty much replace the entire movement at least that’s what was done to mine twice before I sold it I got the watch back and on it’s service history it said the movement was replaced not just the plastic part, but they said the only issue of the watch was the plastic part so why replace the entire movement I don’t know
The quartz punches above its weight in every way. As far the automatic, you MIGHT not have to ever get it serviced tbh. If Tissot offers a movement swap is it really a flaw??
I feel like a lot of people are copy and pasting this news while when talking to actual watch makers acknowledge that the movement is highly serviceable and Tissot themselves offer fair prices.
What’s the problem with the PRX Tissot Powermatic 80 with a synthetic escape wheel pallet fork? Not all plastics are equal. It’s just a variation of an ETA 2400 series movement with two less jewels on the fork. It will still keep time accurately, as far as I know for years. As for no micro adjustment, you shouldn’t be taking the back off a $725 watch to adjust it yourself. Take it to a Tissot repair shop. If they replace the movement, for all intents and purposes, you have a brand spanking new watch.
I got as a gift Tissot 1853 PR100 SILVER from 2014. I saw that price of this watch goes more than 2k dollars. What is so special in it that it costs so much..I mean it is steel and sapphire glass, quartz watch..
@@TopTierTicker yes. I work and specialize on Rolex movements, mostly overhauls for dealers who give me a polished watch and have me do the overhaul. I also do a lot of vintage chronograph. Don’t get in too many PRX, but when I do, it’s to regulate the timing. Unfortunately I have to charge people a pretty penny and most deny me. I’ve seen these have amplitude issues as well as rotor play.
@@TopTierTicker I also do factory polishes. I’ve showed a couple on my page if you’re interested. Unfortunately no one wants to pay me to polish watches cause everyone has a polisher in house that they pay 30$ an hour.
@@TopTierTicker also about plastic parts. Believe it or not, I worked on one of the new patek calibers. Simple chronograph. It was taken to a independent watchmaker to be polished. Don’t ask me why, but at a certain point during the polish, the watch was subjected to heat. Client went to pick up the watch and was informed it was not working anymore. A 2021 watch. I inspected this watch after the client paid 2500$ to have it polished and delivered not working. I shit you not. The chronograph runner had melted. The teeth where all fucked up. I couldn’t believe it. It must have been some form of plastic. Patek also still utilizes plastic spacers. I hate plastic parts too. But even the top manfs use them as well.
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There's high debate amongst watchmakers regarding this version of the powermatic 80. Some watchmakers say they won't touch it whatsoever. And just advise you to send them back to Tissot where they'll just swap out the movement and you'll have to wait months to get your watch back.
Some argue that this version of the powermatic 80 is actually beneficial. That the plastic parts help performance.
It is worth noting that the watch can technically be serviced. But it takes a watchmaker that has the experience and knowledge about this specific movement to do so.
This video is not made to bash the PRX and say its a bad watch. Infact, it's still an amazing watch to own. But this is something that is worth considering with the PRX that not many reviewers talk about.
I've had a lot of watchmakers thank me for making this video and comment on how the movement is a pain in the ass to work with. And how a more traditional movement would've been better. Then some watchmakers say its fine and the movement is great.
It's a highly debated topic, even on watch forums amongst movement nerds.
The whole point of the video is that traditional, non swatch group watchmakers will have much more difficulty servicing this version of the powermatic 80. Some won't even touch the thing. Leaving you only one option, send it back to Tissot for the service. This is usually a higher price than an indipendant watchmaker. And will likely take a lot longer than one too. Also, they swap out the movement for a new one. If this isn't a negative to you, that's fine. To me, it is. I like the idea of a watch lasting a lifetime, movement included. In a world of throw away technology and outdated software, having something that can be fixed and restored for an entire lifetime is such an attractive idea.
Hmm, but independent of the pain of servicing the watch, is there any consensus about whether these plastic parts are effective and/or durable? Are the plastic parts precipitating the need for servicing more often than if the parts were made of metal?
It comes down to the debate of Theseus' paradox. If you believe keep changing parts over a lifetime is still the same watch then sure.
Wouldnt it be "easier" to replace the entire movement on basically all watches?
@@lihongji8864if youre buying a mass produced watch for a few hundred and intend on creating a sentimental bond with a tiny part you'll rarely even see which you can eventually give your grandkid, then you have weird goals.
so you liked your own comment
The plastic/synthetic parts are the thing that makes it advantageous. It’s self lubricating, and could last longer than standard metal parts as they don’t need re-oiling. For your point at the end about it being easier to swap out the whole movement than to service, well that’s also an advantage, its far less time consuming to do a full swap and thus less expensive as well. Also, these movements that have been removed and swapped would not go to waste if that’s another concern. Tissot will send these parts to their service centers to be serviced then put in a new watch, this is common practice in the Swatch group. You also make it sound like it’s impossible to calibrate the movement, which is most certainly is not, it just needs a different type of equipment which given the popularity of the PRX and the Powermatic 80 being heavily used, Tissot would make said equipment readily available in their service centers. Also, I believe there is still a standard regulator screw somewhere in the movement, so third party watchmakers and service centers could still calibrate the movement.
The movement will also soon be very easy to acquire parts for as the ETA movement the Powermatic 80 is based on is widely used by other brands such as Hamilton, Mido, Certina, Rado, and more, so parts won’t be an issue as well.
We shouldn’t be quick to judge Tissot for using some plastic parts, without even considering its advantages. And who knows, in a few years time once this tech has gotten some years behind it, it may turn out to be better than using all metal parts for entry level mechanical watches.
Glad someone said it. I wasnt looking forward to writing that all out 😂. Well put. These movements are still serviceable. Just because 2 parts (escape wheel and pallet fork from my understanding) are made of plastic doesnt mean the entire movement cant be serviced. Its still an eta 2824, which can easily be serviced. Considering an eta 2824 is around $250, and you can get a powermatic 80 for $120-$150, its quite an advantage and something you could even do at home if you have the tools. Honestly the worst part about the movement is just the fact its 3hz instead of 4hz. I personally wear mine every other day and have no need for 80hrs and would prefer 4hz 40hrs. But still very nice nonetheless you can get an 80hr power reserve at this price point.
sound like an expert well said
@@wage6681 yup, that 80 hr power reserve is very much personal preference. I think I’m in the same boat with you wherein I would have preferred the PRX to have had a 4hz movement, cause I have 6 other watches that are in my daily rotation so by the time I get to wearing my PRX again, the power reserve would have run out anyway 😂. But yes, I do agree that having an 80 hour power reserve at its $675 price point is just unmatched and it’s definitely a great selling point.
Not self lubricating
@@wage6681not a 2824
It's based on the C07 platform
Tissot uses plastic cause it is self lubricating and more durable to shocks, drops and bumps also it is easier to replace as well as cheaper. Even seiko uses this plastic parts
Not true.
Say it an't so not seiko
Please illustrate which Seiko uses this.
Thats why there highend Powermatix Movements doesn't have plastic parts lol just marketing bla bla bla they do it because its cheaper.
Why not make all of it plastic then 😂
Its a swiss brand, affordable, lovely lovely design, an option for quartz and an automatic, now has different colors, has one of the best dials around. This without a doubt a perfect 10/10 everyday watch.
Its garbage
And it feels nice on the wrist, unlike many even much more expensive ones.
I went with the quartz 35mm version with the dark blue dial. I did it so I wouldn't have to spend much to get a service. I'm very impressed with it so far. It looks too good for the price. The finish on every bit of the watch is unbelievable. It's been my every day wear for the past few weeks, and I own a Rolex.
The 35mm quartz is my favourite of the lineup! Grab and go, quick battery change, nice compact dimensions... Perfect pick!
Does it still work good and everything? I am about to buy one but I want to be sure
@@dabeaniebeanerWhat do you mean by "work good"? Quartz is more accurate at keeping time than automatic watches anyway. The difference here is the finish in the dial and the automatic movement. Not worth over double the price in my opinion on this particular watch.
@@iamacharliest any recommendations for a watch under $500?
@@dabeaniebeaner I guess it depends what you're really looking for. I don't think a Tissot PRX is a bad shout. I also don't think Seiko 5 is something to overlook, they have some pretty nice models like the Seiko 5 Sport, teddy baldassere has a few good reviews of them.
There are definitely concerns with the plastic escapement. However, they should be serviced as any other movement except with the replacement of worn plastic parts. I own a Tissot with th C07.601 P80, which has the traditional all metal escapement, and it has no issues. You mentioned that it does not have an adjustment lever for regulating timing. That is because the balance is free sprung like some Rolex movements, this allows greater resistance to shocks from changing the adjustment of the watch. Instead of using an adjusting lever, it uses timing weights that are mounted to the balance wheel.
Awesome rundown. Thanks.
@DANGMOE of course. The 2824 platform has been around since the 70s. It has proven itself to be a reliable design. The plastic escapement is not widely agreed on, but for as long as it functions, one shouldn't have issues out of it until the plastic wears out.
C07 movements are highly serviceable, so it's not just throwaway movement, they use special lubricant compared to the common swiss lever 9415 oil which if other watchmaker out there have the proper lubricant they could fix this watch too, and also the rate is adjustable by adjusting the eccentric screw as FFS it's a free sprung balance. They exchange the movement so the turn around time of servicing is faster while the old movement sent to Swiss to service as we're not only servicing Tissot in the workshop but also up all the way to Breguet which need much more time to spend with. Well, we exchange the movement in the service center so that the customer received back their watch much more quicker, and then we repackage the movement, ship 'em old customer movements out to Swiss HQ movement refurbishing facility to service to dismantle, wash, relubricate, fixing the parts that needed, broken parts would be collected and remade to become new parts, regulated and tested again according to the spec, went to QC then repackage it then sent to the service center around the world to use again as an exchange movement. If it's being serviced inside the customer service, just a standard mechanical watch without complication would need 3.5-4 hours of servicing, which include dismantling while also diagnostic of the movement parts, washing which would take an hour, assembling, lubricating, adjustment and testing, and it's not even going to the QC department yet. And seeing on how many Tissot, Certina, Hamilton, Mido, etc watches that is being sold per unit, if we do this, one could expect to wait for 4-6 months of queueing up just to be serviced.
And also... Composite on watches has been existing for quite a in fact, date mech on japanese watches and also used on Omega 1xxx movements, lemania 5100s which some wheel and bridges and 1861's chronograph wheel brake, valjoux 7750s chrono runner brake/hour counter brake too, and also Tissot Idea2001. I think "the controversial" usage of composite element in the escapement pretty much even now in Tissot watches was also due to their research on that Idea2001 watch too, which have less friction during the runs of it, and it's also part of their heritage too, though Swatch also used the Tissot tech in the watch they produce. And it seem at some points there's just a stigma about any formulation of "plastic product" as cheap, while the process that produce that escapement is actually quite a technical achievement in and of itself. And also I haven't seen yet C01/C07 composite escapement melted by far inside a movement due to impact which happens during the locking phase of the escapement. There's nothing I could say about this as it's still a pretty new like from 2008. Though, from what I see from the Tissot Idea 2001, the escapement was "self lubricating" too, and due to less friction I guess there is less heat that was being generated by the impact of the working escapement, though there is the wear and tear factor that could happens with this escapement, I might have to mention too that the normal steel grinding against ruby for quite a long time could also produce the wear and tear of the ruby itself starting with scratches then the steel and the ruby was eating themselves out, just like sapphire crystal of a watch that has been worn for quite a bit without care, it could led to scratches too. Conclusion, material wise, it'll just behave like the usual escapement, have to be maintained too, though I might add it should be handled carefully as you don't want to deform the escapement at all, which would mess with the geometry it was produced as accurately as possible, causing bad performance if used.
And also, this very watch used the very same hairspring developed by swatch group and APRP, nivarox, and no it's not from a "plastic" like you said but alloy of titanium and carbon, which more anti magnetic than standard hairspring alloy used in common wrist watches especially in the same range. And due to the free sprung/no adjustment index on the balance cock instead in the arm of the balance itself it is very sturdy against shock unlike standard non free sprung balance. And one could adjust it very accurately in comparison to the standard regulating system. There's a reason more and more haute horlogerie used free sprung instead of traditional system.
I'm not going to stand here and argue with your knowledge, you clearly know more than I do on this movement.
However I do have a few points to make, I never said the movement couldn't be adjusted for accuracy, just that it doesn't have a traditional lever system.
In terms of the plastic parts, the watchmakers I've spoken to say that they are much more difficult to service. And that less experienced watchmakers just won't touch them. Leading to ridiculous turn around times when sending it off to Tissot. Where I have it under good authority they'll just throw the movement out and pop in a new one.
You're talking about the quality of the movement here, which I don't think is the issue. The movement is fine. I'm just mentioning a couple of features that are worth poiting out to potential PRX owners.
The technology is fine, the servicing is something to consider.
@@TopTierTicker yet your video is mentioning that the movement is flawed. And I honestly think that you might read my comment which I admit sound very technical but it's just what it is. There's a misconception about making parts out of a composite cheapen the watch, eventhough the production of itself is really a technical marvel, and technically it's a lubricant free too, so your watchmaker doesn't even need to oil the escapement to make it run properly unlike the usual Swiss lever. And there's no need to adjust anything to the balance accuracy as once the eccentric screws on the arm of the balance is set there's no change in the accuracy regardless of how many times it was serviced. I don't understand where's the difficulty in servicing this watch, unless the "watchmaker" is just another watch breaker.
Technician/watchmaker in Tissot? I work in one and as I said, PROPERLY overhauling these movement or any mechanical watch without complications needs atleast 4 hours, and in the workshop it's not only tissot, there's certina, rado, mido, longines, omega, glashutte original, breguet, jaquet droz, blancpain and etc, and counting on how many watches sold out there by Tissot, the waiting time would be a nightmare for a customer just queuing to be serviced thus except Longines and omega and other prestige brands they will exchange the movement with a new ones while the old customer movement would be overhauled back in HQ in ETA refurbishment facility, and that includes the very rusty ones. And it will be done so indefinitely as it's very unlikely that ETA manufacturer would be defunct, and even when (knocks on wood) it is, the composite escapement could be replaced with the standard steel and ruby common found in the 2824 movements. So no throwaway movement here even in the workshop.
@@watchnerdsthank you so much for your insight on this topic. If it wasnt for you i would have just took his words for fact and would have had a more negative view on the the prx.
Keep sharing your Knowledge. In todays world everyone can just start a youtube channel and declare or present themselves as a expert even tho they really are not.
It has a free sprung balance wheel. It has adjustment screws that are adjustable for fine tuning its timing. The escape wheel and pallet fork are synthetic. The rest is made of normal materials. It is not a flaw of any kind. It reduces friction.
I compared both versions in the store and I went with the automatic one. The quartz is not bad by any means but it bothered me when I saw that the second hand doesn’t hit the markers perfectly 😝
My biggest querk when speaking about quartz ..if it dont hit the minute markers absolutely perfect ..its trash and I dont want anything to do with it. Even worse is when the second hand shakes when it tics 😢
When was the last time you serviced your watch? Modern movements barely need servicing. My Seiko skx GMT is a daily wear for me and even after 2 year of almost everyday usage it is working well within the tolerances
Bought the quartz version for my 14 year old. He loves it. Great 1st watch.
The quartz version is fabulous. What a great first watch for your young'en!
What would you replace the PRX with? I was going to purchase two today, but I will hold off instead. I want to dip my foot into the luxury watch world. Thank you.
CItizen Zenshin! or Venezianico Arsenale if you want to spend a bit more. Brilliant watches
@TopTierTicker I bought a Tissot Powermatic 80 with a black dial and a Citizen Eco-Drive chronograph with a white dial. Love em both.
If you're going "Retro 70's", Quartz is a must-have.🔥
there are two adjustment screws on a balance, which make an adjustment more accurate and precise. I could make my prx to do less then +0,5 seconds a day with it. Its a most precise movement I was ever working with…
wait that's the point why it is plastic... so they can swap it out. My Omega can't do that and a service costs me 900$
Bro you have money for omega you need to have money for a service , you dont buy Ferrari if you cant keep up with service
i agree on all of what you said. its a cheap mass produced movement. using plastic parts on movement is a dealbreaker especially if its a critical part. people accepted the "plastic" on Lemania/Omega 1861 because its just a soft silicon delrin brake for the chrono which works great and doesn't BREAK unlike the plastics on powermatic80 😅 plastic escapement and pallet fork goodbye durability no shock resistance. just ba strong force flick on your wrist can break them hahaha
I own all quartz, not because of the price, my first watch was during the quartz revolution and I love them. I have 3 quartz prx's and would not change them.
So bc of the price
I heard that the tissot prx dont last
So you took the quarz version because the automatic is full of plastic? So the quarz isnt?
What was the flaw? 😂
He literally said the whole heart of the watch is made from plastic
@@turnbasedtoddy7664Which is obviously a lie. All you can see is metal. The “whole” heart is not plastic. Sensationalism at its worst
@@jbachman01 There are breakdowns of the movement on youtube and it’s made of plastic. It’s just a fact, no sensationalism about it.
@@turnbasedtoddy7664 The escapement (2 pieces) are made of plastic. I wouldn’t call that the “whole heart” of a watch (unless I was being sensational)
@@turnbasedtoddy7664which in turn self lubricates and so is more durable and long lasting 🤦♂️🤡
I use to think plastic/nylon parts were a bad thing. Working on some of the things I do at my job, I am completely wrong! It holds up far better than metal ever could. Just think about a car’s suspension. What holds everything together and makes it last, so long as it’s not mistreated? In this case nylon, rubber, and plastic!
One of the main reason for its popularity is the size I haven't found a 35 mm watch on other brands
200 bucks and you got the whole service of any prx covered…
That's 30% of retail price. Makes no sense when the whole watch is hyped for its "value" proposition.
Thats true for ANY budget mechanical watch. They literally make no sense
@@saish9225so what? Most of these watches will run pretty well for at least 5-10 years so if you have to drop 200 bucks once or twice a decade that’s still pretty decent value. Or you buy a 15,000 rolex and pay 1500 to service it every 5 years….
@saish9225 the fuck do you expect? Lower priced watches will always have higher proportion of their value taken up on maintaining them. This is largely irrelevant considering how reliable and well priced they are
"Or you buy a $15,000 Rolex"
Or, idk, literally any non-mechanical watch that doesn't needed to be serviced unless it's broken.
It’s actually quite the opposite…many people are talking about that component. I like to sit on decisions for a while, but at that price point, I might still snag one some day.
As soon as I heard his opinion on this tissot automatic I instantly clicked “never recommend this channel” the plastic parts are easy to replace and they literally have major advantages long term. Glad this comment section passed the vibe check. I’ve seen hundreds and hundreds of videos on this exact Tissot automatic and this is honestly the first video I’ve seen of anyone trying to downplay it. Which is a good sign.. after overlooking them for so many years and actually getting one the quality is up there with the best for the price. It’s an insane watch for the price. I get more compliments and head turns w the tissot automatic then my omegas and my only two grand seikos, people are always amazed when they see it in person because of the price mostly but it also looks like quality don’t get me wrong. And btw I only got the grand seikos because i really wanted to see what the Japanese watches are made of & oh my god they are beautiful as well. I’m upset I didn’t get tissots sooner though because I could of saved some money at one point, but that was when I thought you needed to atleast spend 1500-4500$ to get a decent luxury watch.. moral of the story, tissot is god tier & you are 💩💩
It's factually correct that they don't actually. The movement is made to be disposable.
But don't let my opinion spoil your enjoyment of the watch. The fact that you called someone '💩' shows your maturity levels anyway.
Take care
Hmm i have the tissot prx chronograf with A05.H31 movment, does that one have a same flaw? I Marin this is more expensive watch that the regular trx automatic
I have powermatic 80 gendelman open heart dark blue dial! The watch is amazing! the movement is amazing cant take my eyes off! I dont care if ever need service and about the price! its worth getting it even for 3000!
the powermatic movement in the gentleman is different to the one in the PRX so your comment is a bit irrelevant.
I really want to get an mechanical version. do brands normally update their movements for the same watch? specially if its flawed?
Plastic is a derogatory word for high tech synthetic materials. As mentioned by others carefully chosen synthetic materials are mechanically superior to metals for some use cases.
BTW: I recently acquired a Hamilton watch with a Powermatic 80. It’s the most precise mechanical watch in my collection and the cheapest.
Would it be possible to fit a NH35 instead of a new Powermatic 80 when it's time to swop the movement?
Swapping the movement instead of servicing it sounds like cost savings for me. Win/win
so instead of bying "flawed" mechanical which might be a problem some day, you recommend crappy quartz where second hand does not hit the markers, for like 400$. 100$ quarts Casio will have better quality and hit every second marker, but this "luxury " swiss quartz will not
I’m still waiting for the part when he explains the flaws of the PRX.
He’s just a troll
He showed you. It’s an ugly watch!
I had no problems at all getting my PRC200 Powermatic 80 from 2013 serviced. Tissot lists authorized service centers per country on their website with fixed prices for services.
There’s a lot of fuss about the Powermatic being impossible to service or regulate - I don’t share that experience
I can say that my PRX 80 keeps time +-2 secs to my phone auto time setting after 2-3 days without winding daily, so, plastic or not, It looks good, feels good, it's good.
I was going to get a quartz version of the PRX anyway but this made me more comfortable in that.
What dial color is that above?
The quartz version is “ more true “ to the original version from back in the day .I also don’t understand the hype over cheap automatic watches . Not as accurate , more expensive to service or to replace the whole movement and more expensive ( in general ) to purchase .
Is this also the case for the tissot gentleman?
Nope, different versions of the powermatic 80
I like the quartz version but it really should hit the makers like a $20 casio does.
I sort of can't believe that's a thing that a Swiss watch maker is ok with.
Tissot are part of Swatch group now.
That's why I went for the gentleman open heart instead. The ETA C07.601 is a way better movement
Tissot watches are great. I have the gentleman 40mm stainless steel quartz which only cost me £400 and it’s my personal favourite. I have had watches far more expensive than my Tissot but they don’t look as good or perform the same level of accuracy as that one. Brilliant value for money.
That’s why you buy the Chronograph ❤️ with it’s new Valjoux 7750 based movement: A05 H31 💪
It's an ETA movement in a palstic spacer ring. Tag Heuer Carrera 5 has an ETA movement in a plastic spacer ring too. But for 2500 euros, instead of 700.
The ETA though can be bought in bulk for 50 Euros or even less, so there is some margin over the quartz tbh.
Just wondering if this applies to he prx chronograph as I'm thinking to get the prx chrono due to all the great deals at the moment.
Nope, completely different movement
@@TopTierTicker I have done my research and seen that it's the Valjoux A05.H31 movement. My question was more around the servicing of the movement. It shouldn't have any servicing issues would it? And if you know, how much should one expect to spend on a servicing.
I have the Tissot Couturier with a (Power 80) does not hold up to 80 hours at all.
I actually wasn’t aware of this. Was looking at one in the window only yesterday!
My watch guy, who works on everything, told me that quartz is really the way go. You just need to change the battery. He mentioned that "tuning up" an automatic cost way more than many, many battery changes. The worst case scenario, replacing the quartz mechanism, costs about 1/3 of an automatic tune up, and he mentioned that is rarely required.
The balance is free sprung, that is it does not, as you correctly state, have an Etachron adjuster on the balance spring. Instead it uses rotating weights on the balance itself, for adjusting rate and poise. This is a better system as used by Omega and lesser brands like Rolex. To state it is not adjustable is just wrong.
I never stated that it couldn't be adjusted. Just that it doesn't features an adjustment lever. Which is factually correct.
I often use adjustment levers to adjust my watches. But free sprung balances are a lot harder for amateurs to work with. So this is a flaw for me.
@@TopTierTicker You spent the entire video rubbishing the movement, 'It's made mostly of plastic' and stating in effect that it would be repaired by replacement. Now you're saying that the movement is too good. Make up your mind.
If this is the level of your discernment then I shall watch no more of you.
@@donaldasayers Top Tier Ticker googles this so-called "fact" of his and didn't even try to think deep enough.
I can explain better than him: the PRX is equipped with the ETA.C07.111 movement; part of the C07 platform, and yes every effing Tissot you see (except for the Swissmatic because they use a movement derived from the Swatch sistem51) from PRX to Le Locle to Seastar 1000 and 2000---those are ALL ETA.C07.111 movements.
Even the Certina Caimano line are equipped with ETA.C07.111 movements (the rest of the Certina DS watches have ETA.C07.611 which Rado also uses. Yes the Captain Cook is equipped with this very movement).
Which means, if you follow this dumbassTopTierTicker's logic, then EVERY TISSOT watch is extremely flawed, unserviceable af like can you imagine the Tissot Seastar 2000 being "extremely flawed and unserviceable"?? Top Tier Ticker should do more research than Google ffs.
@@TopTierTicker Free sprung is superior, you frame the lack of an adjustment lever as a flaw.
It does put me off somewhat to think it has plastic parts . I will be looking into this.
No matter the reason why the Automatic version is good or bad, I'm black skinned and picked a White Quartz one thats fits so goo on my wrist!!😊
Does lelocle use the same movement?
Some have Powermatic 80, but earlier ones not. I have an earlier Le Locle and the accuracy is amazing.
1. You can fine tune it
2. You can modifiy it so that it is having metal
Parts
3. Swapping out movement as con is like saying “ready made sauce is bullshit”
I have Powermatic Watch from 10 years, and i love it
Plastic escape wheel and fork is a good thing , very smooth action, and very long lasting, it's just an advancement in tech.. Tissot knows how to build good watches. Their is an adjustment , it's the two small screws on the balance wheel.
Is it the same for every powermatic 80 like the gentlemen?
99%
The gentleman has like 2 jewels more in it
Its not any harder to swap out a plastic pallet fork and escape wheel than it is on a regular 2824 with traditional parts
Late to the party, but Tissot is a Swatch Group brand, so they have a rather robust network to get parts to shops. As for the plastic parts, they use plastic parts in space shuttles and mission critical militaty kit too. What's your point? Plastic doesn't automatically mean low quality and there are many potential engineering considerations that could make plastic an appropriate choice. Heck, some plastics are more expensive than any of the metals they would use in watches at this price point. Per the no lever for enthusiasts to regulate at home, if that is something you care about, fair enough. It's not actually hard to do if you have the tools and know what you're doing.
So happy I didn't buy my Son one of these for his first serious mechanical watch. I would have been extremely angry to realise that this movement is basically using design cues from a typical quartz movement, bits of steel and plastic. We are fine if a quartz movement gives up after 5 years, but nobody is buying a mechanical watch with the same expectation and at twice the cost of the quartz.
Which color is this?
own 1 auto PRX, totally love it.
No, watchmakers struggle intensly with the plastic parts of the Powermatic escapement, as they are basically build for a one way trip and wear out. At some point they just don't gain the necessary amplitude to pass the "good enough to wear". At the service center they change the movement and back at HQ they revise the movement and put new plasics into it. On the customers end this might be better in terms of reliability and service time but on the other hand Tissot basically gains a monopole on future service. Please keep in mind that only the lowest Powermatic version has the plastic parts, the "Silicone" Versions are still a fully mechanical watch without any plasic whatsoever.
Thank you, this is the point I'm trying to make with the video. You are being forced to service the watch with Tissot.
The movement is great but, I'm glad someone understands the flaw in the system.
@@TopTierTicker No, the watchmakers that complain about this haven't upgraded their workshops and education to the standard required for a factory Swatch parts account. Same as the rest of the big companies. You think Joe Blow the Self Taught Botchmaker can just call up Richemont for replacement JLC date jumpers? Same thing with Swatch now. If you don't meet the requirements for a service account, you don't get the parts so you don't ruin their reputation with shoddy work.
Instead they seem to be trying to ruin Swatch's reputation with shoddy misinformation...
the fact that a lot of watch makers wont even touch is should be enough for most ppl.
I don't mind. I love it❤
What color is this dial?
ETA2824 direct swop out £150. Cheaper than a service and brings the sweep back to 4k
I wonder if it's possible to switch the Powermatic for a standard ETA or Sellita when it comes to service time?
You'll lose your 70hr power reserve?
Yes, totally possible! I have a tissot seastar 2014 (first gen of powermatic) and when the reverser wheels got stuck and it stopped hacking, i just swapped in a high grade eta 2824-2. Now it has 4hz and a much more accurate and serviceable movement. Although it does still say powermatic 80 on the dial 😂. Sellita sw200 works as well. Basically the exact same movement as eta 2824-2.
@@Matt463634some people wear their watches everyday and would rather have the smoother 4hz movement and increased accuracy that comes with it and have no need for "80" hour (the reason its called powermatic 80) power reserve. 40 hours does just fine for most.
Which one is better?Quartz or powermatic 80?
Better? A mechanical is more expensive but not always better. If you wear it everyday a mechanical is fine, if it sits around & you don't keep it wound the oils dry. Quartz won't have that problem & plenty accurate.
Does the Tissot PRX chronograph too has the plastic movement?
The chrono does not have a plastic escapement
This is the same for basically all low end swiss watches. Not great, but it is what it is. Anyway, for this particular watch, quartz is the way to go.
I've missed the plastic movement part in my review (as someone in the comments noted!); however it seems these types of movements are more resistant to shocks, don't need lubricant, and remember it's a CHEAP mechanical watch. An actual service from a watchmaker is likely going to cost you more than just having a new movement swapped in it - I don't necessarily see this as a bad thing.
I don't disagree that the plastic parts help the actual functionality of the watch, they probably do improve it. But the whole romance of a mechanical watch is the longevity. The fact that a single watch and all it's parts can last a lifetime with occasional servicing and good care. Which isn't the case with this piece. Even the cost of the Tissot service isn't an issue, although I'm sure the wait time is more than usual. The 'disposable' movement is a big negative for this watch, that doesn't really seem to get covered.
@@TopTierTicker On this I do agree - it does not lend well into the romance of mechanical watches! :)
What is the problem with powermatic 80?
It's a fantastic watch in all respects. I own one and have no regrets
The quartz version is the best choice to buy.
So it's an Actual is Autolub 2.0? I had one of those years ago. I really liked it.
Well but on the other hand I sent back 2 quartz ones because the second hand was not aligned with the outside lines for both of them and it triggered me so badly
how's the fact that the quartz movement is considered "not serviceable but replaceable" is it still worth to pick it up, because i want it to last as long as possible
what colour is the prx quartz featured in this video?
Is this a thing with all the powermatic 80 movements?
Because I am really scared to pull the trigger on the SeaStar 2000
Nope, only with this specific movement inside the PRX.
@@TopTierTickerSo e.g. a Gentleman with the Powermatic 80 is different in that regard?
Thanks for pointing that out but the PRX is not a mechanical watch - it’s an automatic watch. When you call it mechanical it specifically entails that the movement of the watch is specifically Mechanical meaning it lacks automatic self winding(rotor). It’s even on the dial “Powermatic 80” because it has 80 hours of power reserve from its automatic movement.
That is not true. All automatic watches are mechanical watches of course!
@@peter84624 hahah girl come on, thats pretty much what im trying to clarify! yes - technically all automatics are mechanical watches. But an automatic watch and mechanical watch are two different movements. Its like calling Seikos Spring drive movements "quartz" movements. I just personally believe that calling it mechanical instead of properly addressing it an automatic a pet peeve of mine. well just not using the right words in general urks me.
@@IreallycantthinkofahandleAutomatic watches are special types of mechanical watches, they are not completely different movements. There are companies (Like Timex with the Marlin) that buy an automatic movement, rip the rotor and the self winding mechanism off, and use that movement as a hand winding movement. Just like an internal combustion engine car, it's still the same engine, no matter if it's an automatic sold in the US, or a manual sold in Europe.
@@peter84624 I completely understand that but I don’t think your understanding what I’m trying to say is which is fine. All I’m saying is names of things are important. I would just never call a Omega Speed Master an automatic watch. I don’t know if you know how ground breaking it was when automatic movements became a thing. It was revolutionary. Saying they are the same thing is a great dishonor to the invitation that went into developing automatic movements.
Is that the "green" dial?? Lools way better in the video than in the pictures on the website if it is.
Buy the quartz?
you can get a PRX Powermatic 80 for $400-$500... Servicing my Tag cost me $750... At that point just buy a new PRX when it needs to be serviced, it'll be cheaper.
Seiko and other brands have been using plastic parts for years! So long as it's a plastic of quality, it's fine!
Really? Seiko?
Bro, it's just the escapement wheel and the escapement fork that is made out of plastics, not the "whole inner movement". Also Tissot does this since about 30 years and the parts still hold up!
Thanks for this. I am hunting for one as well. Ill just look for another one
If I was you I would buy the quartz Prx (the cheapest one) I have one and it’s amazing I bought it second hand and it works perfectly and looks and feels so comfortable. I would recommend it to anyone looking for a watch also the dial looks amazing in the sun. I have the 35 mm one because it suits my wrist better and I would recommend that because integrated bracelets can make the dual look bigger on the wrist. This is the best watch out there imo under 500 quid.
Hmmm
Thanks
good to know. thank you
doesn't that mean you can 3D print to replace watch parts? for an inexpensive watch it makes sense, no?
But you bought the quartz version which is made of....well plastic and easily replaceable. What is the point?
I have one. I love it. And if it ever brakes or causes problems, I just buy a new one. They are so cheap anyway
Ironically that’s what they do when you get them serviced they pretty much replace the entire movement at least that’s what was done to mine twice before I sold it I got the watch back and on it’s service history it said the movement was replaced not just the plastic part, but they said the only issue of the watch was the plastic part so why replace the entire movement I don’t know
Then swap it out for New movement what's the big?
The quartz punches above its weight in every way. As far the automatic, you MIGHT not have to ever get it serviced tbh. If Tissot offers a movement swap is it really a flaw??
When tissot services the watch they just put a new movement in
You get what you pay for
Still a good watch
I feel like a lot of people are copy and pasting this news while when talking to actual watch makers acknowledge that the movement is highly serviceable and Tissot themselves offer fair prices.
What’s the problem with the PRX Tissot Powermatic 80 with a synthetic escape wheel pallet fork? Not all plastics are equal. It’s just a variation of an ETA 2400 series movement with two less jewels on the fork. It will still keep time accurately, as far as I know for years. As for no micro adjustment, you shouldn’t be taking the back off a $725 watch to adjust it yourself. Take it to a Tissot repair shop. If they replace the movement, for all intents and purposes, you have a brand spanking new watch.
self-lubricating?? Are you sure?
What color code is it?
I got as a gift Tissot 1853 PR100 SILVER from 2014. I saw that price of this watch goes more than 2k dollars. What is so special in it that it costs so much..I mean it is steel and sapphire glass, quartz watch..
I deny those powermatic 80s all the time. They just aren’t made to be serviced by anyone but Tissot.
Are you a watchmaker?
@@TopTierTicker yes. I work and specialize on Rolex movements, mostly overhauls for dealers who give me a polished watch and have me do the overhaul. I also do a lot of vintage chronograph. Don’t get in too many PRX, but when I do, it’s to regulate the timing. Unfortunately I have to charge people a pretty penny and most deny me. I’ve seen these have amplitude issues as well as rotor play.
@@TopTierTicker I also do factory polishes. I’ve showed a couple on my page if you’re interested. Unfortunately no one wants to pay me to polish watches cause everyone has a polisher in house that they pay 30$ an hour.
@@TopTierTicker also about plastic parts. Believe it or not, I worked on one of the new patek calibers. Simple chronograph. It was taken to a independent watchmaker to be polished. Don’t ask me why, but at a certain point during the polish, the watch was subjected to heat. Client went to pick up the watch and was informed it was not working anymore. A 2021 watch. I inspected this watch after the client paid 2500$ to have it polished and delivered not working. I shit you not. The chronograph runner had melted. The teeth where all fucked up. I couldn’t believe it. It must have been some form of plastic. Patek also still utilizes plastic spacers. I hate plastic parts too. But even the top manfs use them as well.
Interesting, thank you for sharing your experience with us. I'll check out your page!