My favorite theory about why Andor was so great was that Disney execs didn’t know anything about the character or story so they made little to know input in the story
Honestly, that’s not uncommon. A lot of the best comic storylines from the big two (Marvel and DC) involve random side characters that the writer is allowed to do whatever they want with. The creator of Andor didn’t want to tell story using every character in the extended universe, nor did he want to sell a bunch of merchandise. Man just wanted a good story, and Disney thought it would be a good filler before the Mandalorian returned.
It was great because they didn't actually care about it and didn't ruin it with politics, and it flopped because nobody expects anything from disney anymore, just another random spin off
It’s going to end up being directed by like four different people. Because they all left but their “contributions” remained intact bc fuck idk man, desperate.
@Lucas Savicki I'm with you. I wish all those who rallied fans to hate on TLJ would rewatch all 9 eps from start to finish and honestly evaluate them outside the lens of nostalgia bias. I recently did this with my kid, and it really changed my mind on the whole series. The sequel series as a whole is decent and worthy of being part of the universe. While I love SW, the original and prequel series were just not that good. They were loaded with bad acting, cheesy dialogue, dumb plot twists and holes, and tropes that were overused even at the time they were made. Each of the 9 films had some good elements and some bad ones, and while I think 9 is probably the worst in the series, it isn't that bad compared to the others. I think a big part of the problem is that most fans placed SW on some narrative pedestal without realizing that the films were meant to tell an old fashioned epic like Iliad or Odyssey. It wasn't about telling a complete, fully developed and coherent story. It was about making the audience feel a particular way and bringing them along the heroes journey. It's always been about the feels, not the thoughts, and sadly it's been the thoughts that have gotten in the way of many people enjoying the films. Now I'm not saying people should overlook stupid things in films, but I am suggesting that people judge them on their level with what they were trying to accomplish. And all 9 films did that very well.
I don't know, man. A story about a desert orphan finding out a droid with critical information on it's way to aid the rebel forces, then meeting a grumpy father figure, a guy wearing leather with no desire to die for the rebel cause and Chewbaca? Going to a sleezy cantina, flying on the the Millenium Falcon, fiding out they have magic powers, fiding out the bad guy with with a black mask has a planet killing -moon- spacestation, fiding out bad man in black mask has a personal connection with grumpy father figure, having bad guy with with a black mask kill grumpy father figure in a one on one confrontation, then having an xwing make a 1 in a million shot after a tight trench run, ultimately destroying the enemy spacestation? As a concept, that's kinda out there. I'd say it was a coin flip whether it would work or not.
I feel like the success of The Force Awakens was due to the fact it mirrored A New Hope. Same formula for the modern times and it was a well made film.
"I don't think David Lynch was that interested in the Mace Windu series." David Lynch: "I started to get a headache. Like a migraine. They started explaining purple light sabers. I needed to go home and lay down."
@Munchies 2019 I still adore Star Wars, I just steer clear of anything sequel-related for me lol. But yeah I am like a megafan and that movie made me cease any further Star Wars intake for like a year and a half 🫤
I often think about how different modern media would look like if David Lynch had taken the Return of the Jedi job. Twin Peaks: The Return would have been considered too tame in that world
@@diehard7517Dune didn't had nearly as much backing and expectation (at least on it's first cycle, not after it became a long wait) as SW did with RoTJ
@@Casshio They say the only way to enjoy Obi Wan and Boba Fett it's in form of a movie, because those two were originally to be movies, there are fan edits that supossedly make them better.
Because marvel has a different structure in terms of making movies, marvel had consistant leadership with 10 years of good movies, star wars was sold, and suddenly went from the original 6 + clone wars to constantly releasing movies and shows that weren't good. Marvel under disney had a pre established goodwill with people built over years, Lucasfilm had good will with people, under george, now george isn't there, the change from one mans vision to multiple directors and writers is what's hurting it, star wars isn't built to handle multiple visions from different people, marvel was because that's how they started. Disney is trying to turn star wars into a "multiplayer game" when it was built to be a "singleplayer game"
Lmao I understand what you’re trying to say. But Star Wars literally started in 1977, fatigue was always on the horizon, even during the prequel times. The fact that George sold it should have been a stronger sign of fatigue than anything else. He knew the fan base has BEEN toxic and impossible to please lol. Everything from these Disney years has just been a really expensive, really ugly victory lap with new owners who don’t understand the product
Probably because Marvel was pretty solid through endgame meanwhile Star Wars immediately started off with an incredibly divisive trilogy that in multiple ways shits on what came before. But as we’ve seen with Guarduans 3, Jedi Survivor, Bad Batch season 2, and Andor, people aren’t tired of these properties, they’re tired of bad products from these properties.
@@Vainner Idk what solid means to you because Mandalorian was disappointingly average. Expensive ass production backed by the most childish script and choreography. The only good thing about it was how cute Mando and Grogu's interactions were
I think it's really funny how you can see in some of these shows, how they are bogged down with bad filler because they were originally meant to be movies
@@WhispCommanderComics Nah. If anything, Falcon and the Winter Solider actually needed a few more episodes. The bad part was the action-filled last episode which deflated the whole thing - the typical last third of a Marvel movie stuff. It was so rushed. *Episode 5 was the best episode and it's mostly just the characters working though things* ... it would have been glossed over in a movie. lol. Sam, Bucky and John Walker were good characters to set a series around. Maybe I'm just moving out of the demographic for comic book movies/TV but I want less battles and more talking and the TV shows offer an opportunity for that. *I'd definitely take a Marvel version of The Leftovers* covering what happened to the remaining people after The Snap in more detail.
Filler doesn't exist in shows like that, filler is a term specifically for adaptions that need to pad out time for the source material to catch up. none of the shows you're referring to are adapting anything, you're using a term with a fundamental lack of understanding for that terms meaning. Just because a smaller character focused episode doesn't do anything for you, doesn't mean the writers made it just to extend the series out. Some people like self contained one offs, so they include self contained one offs.
Presenting Ingmar Bergman's "Stürr Voæren" trilogy about Yoda's feverish PTSD induced decent into madness as he's slowly dying inside his swamp hut alone and forgotten while conversing with Yaddle's ghostly apparition (played by Bergman's wife ofc).
I love the homage to Dvorak 9th symphony 4th movement, from which John Williams I believe took his inspiration from, or how ever else you'd want to describe it.
“Let’s hire someone who’s made a couple mediocre indie movies and hope for the best” seems like Disney’s tactic for “reinventing” Star Wars and Marvel, and it’s really showing the limits of those people, because it really shows the difference between what a dedicated and devoted writer is and someone who is doing it because it’s a big paycheck. I bet anything people like Rian Johnson and Chloe Zhao got hired more for their status as rising indie darlings than for any actual solid pitches they made. Besides that, when they took on the jobs there was probably a minimum of research done. Compare that to the only indie director who really made it big on superhero movies; Christopher Nolan. Nolan went all in and read much of the Batman comics, hired comic expert and writer David Goyer to come in and shape it with him, and took his time planning a foundation story, and a sequel which built on it further. And even when Nolan didn’t really want to do a third one at first, when he got back into it he gave it his best shot and created a spectacular trilogy that is still regarded as the best superhero movies made.
"People got tired of star wars really fast" True in essence, people got tired of disney wars really fast Only shining anomaly being Andor, showing heights I'm not sure they'll ever comprehend
The on and off Dvorak Symphony Movement 9 during the background is a perfect tonal indicator for Star Wars progressions in less then 10 years. I love it 😂🎉
I feel like the opening scroll on the next Star Wars film should be used to explain what happened to every directors Trilogy they were promised and how Disney screwed them out of it, rewrote it and/or reshot it. What about the Jar Jar Binks standalone film we were promised
I don't think people would watch 90 minutes of a film scroll explaining all of Disney's mistakes 🤣 Instead just get Man Carrying Thing to carry the franchise
I googled this in a panic to see whether or not the Jar Jar Binks movie was actually a thing. I will purposely not say what I found in order to mildly annoy someone else.
So many people dislike Andor because it doesn't "feel exactlly like SW " ....dummies... Or they have PTSD from all those Disney atrocities, so they can't recognise a good thing when it comes along..
Obviously a David Lynch SW project would’ve been bonkers, but I’m almost more interested in an Ingmar Bergman Star Wars. It would probably be focused on the mortality of the Jedi and the spiritual aspects of force ghosts and their souls. Might be interesting.
The event that split us from the good timeline to where we are now was people rejecting Jar Jar, not giving Lucas either the opportunity to reveal he was the sith lord behind it all or to flesh out Dooku
@@V1489CygniAgreed. The puzzle pieces were all there. That was going to be one of the greatest plot twists in film history. The bumbling idiot was actually the mastermind.
As long as people keep watching everything that's vaguely related to something they like, they will keep getting whatever random stuff someone is willing to write
And yet through all of this chaos and the ashes, Andor rose up, I have no idea how it was as amazing as it was or how Disney let something like it be released with their name attached to it.
Yeah, it's really a shame that nobody really watched that show. There seems to be a pattern where the less of a brand the main character has such as andor or Mando at first, the better the show is.
@Bobby2889 I will say, with how good the show is in my opinion, it does drag through some parts. Especially 2 episodes where they're just planning an attack. But once you get to the prison episodes/ the finale, it turns into some of the best content star wars has ever had. You just gotta wait it out.
@@robhardingpoetry It definitely gets good. It's true, the show in general might have different pace, but it picks up after ep.3. I think next 1-2 episodes might hook you. It definitely gets very very good. It might be worth saying there is also more than 1 story arc throughout the season.
I’d say that the solution is to tell different and well made stories set in the same universe instead of relying so much on nostalgia, but as Andor kinda proved, that doesn’t really get people to even give it a chance.
I think that Disney should apply that same strategy that Sunrise/Bandai have applied to the Gundam franchise, I mean : touch your main line when you good enough ideas to do it and when you don't, try to do some spin-offs without touching the main time line in that way if you fail your fans can ignore that fail and continue loving the main product
Before "Here's Johnny," Jack Nicholson tried "THE NEW STAR WARS IS A SURPRISE HIT" as his catch-phrase in The Shining, but Kubrick felt that was "too cerebral."
this is spot-on, even more than you think, even down to Disney thinking we "got tired" of Star Wars. the fans weren't fatigued. they were disgusted. they were repulsed by what Disney turned Star Wars into, and they checked out.
"Okay, so here's my idea: we bring on a trio of world-class martial artists, and then have them get eaten by space slugs after two minutes of screen time and zero martial arts." -Man Directing Thing
Full disclosure: i like TLJ Disney not having a consistent plan for the sequel trilogy doomed it before it started. That shit retconned its own retcons that spun off into more retcons and now the fanbase is more fragmented than when Jar Jar was a thing.
Disney really came in like Walter Peck saying "Shut this off. Shut these all off." They literally could've just let the EU and LucasArts keep doing their thing and fans would've been happy, but nooooo!
Something I never thought would happen to me: Wondering what an Ingmar Bergman Star Wars film would look like. Wondering what David Lynch’s Mace Windu trilogy would look like. Todd Field’s Star Wars. Not that I necessarily want to know what those would look like. Not the intelligent part of my brain, anyway 😂
Yeah holy I remember my cousins being so open and excited for the future of the next two movies... FUCK THE LAST TWO MOVIES... sorry I still haven't recovered from those... things. Honestly I keep saying I am glad its back for the kids but is there even stuff that kids can be excited for Star Wars wise? Like when we were kids, there were always action figures and affordable ones too. I could save up and get any character. Now it's like $20 for the small ones and hard to even find a Luke because they barely make any and they sell out fast. I guess the books and some of the comics are fine at least.
@@nameynamename3758 His time with Tuskens where he comedically explained how to ride bikes, the slap stick scooter chase, that time he got knocked on his ass immediately by some guys with shields or the one when he rampaged through the city of "his people" with a rancor, losing control over it after like 5 seconds, the one where he beat his old rival with the power of friendship and then at the end when he said, "fuck it, time to go, bye". You know. Fun Babo stuff.
To be totally fair, The Mandolorian and Andor have been some of my favourite television as of recent. The former being really nice nerdy comfort food, and the latter being a genuinely excellent and clever show. I also really love Rogue One. The lows are low, but the highs are high.
I enjoy the the side stories within the galaxy like Mando and Andor but don't want to hear about the jedi vs sith anymore Maybe more Star Wars with less Fan Service
Not gonna lie, hearing that rian johnson will never get his trilogy was perhaps the best news I received (yes, yes, I lead an empty life and I'm a horrible person; move on). That aside, the whole fatigue thing is relatable. I've lost track of which show to watch so I don't know which character ties in where.
And somehow Andor happened, basically the best film/show Star Wars since the original trilogy. That show demonstrated that people isn't tired of Star Wars, they are tired of mediocre Star Wars (everyone was also pretty hyped with first two seasons of The Mandalorian, which were very good, so it's easy to notice tha pattern)
@@Obi-Wan_Kenobi It was better than every Star Wars besides ESB. Actually took some risks and was very well directed. You can not like the film but if u look at Rian Johnson's body of work you see he is super talented. I hate how online film crit bros tend to label artists as "untalented" just cause they make one movie they dont like 😂
Producer: "I'm just saying, an Old Republic trilogy could be the kickstart to a fresh and exciting era of Star Wars." Disney: "Uh uh. Or alternatively, you're fired."
I remember when The Last Jedi came out people were arguing we had "Star Wars fatigue". Just 3 movies: Force Awakens, Rogue One, and the Last Jedi. And people were blaming the fans saying we're fatigued and not in the right mindset to enjoy Star Wars. Seems like a joke now. These days Disney tries to treat it like their second MCU.
Who needs new characters? They messed up when they didn't start with adaptations in 2012. They would have less worrying about being creative or hiring "flavor-of-the-week" directors, even if they needeed to pay pennys to old authors.
The Dvorak in the 2015 section is a representation of the “new world” of Star Wars that had just opened up to Disney. Or maybe it’s just a LOGH reference to call to mind other space opera.
"The Mandalorian is a surprise hit!"
"10 TV SHOWS A YEAR, MINIMUM"
THE DAY OF A FINALE IS THE PREMEIRE OF ANOTHER 4-ISH EPISODE STAR WARS SHOW!
My favorite theory about why Andor was so great was that Disney execs didn’t know anything about the character or story so they made little to know input in the story
Ans it flopped because it's not Star Wars. Should've just ended the story story with Ep6 and called it a day.
@@greygorygaming where did you read that it flopped?
Honestly, that’s not uncommon.
A lot of the best comic storylines from the big two (Marvel and DC) involve random side characters that the writer is allowed to do whatever they want with.
The creator of Andor didn’t want to tell story using every character in the extended universe, nor did he want to sell a bunch of merchandise. Man just wanted a good story, and Disney thought it would be a good filler before the Mandalorian returned.
There certainly wasn’t much fan service in it and when there was it was all in the background where it needed to be
It was great because they didn't actually care about it and didn't ruin it with politics, and it flopped because nobody expects anything from disney anymore, just another random spin off
We all see the obvious solution to the Star Wars Fatigue. Every character gets a Holiday Special. That'll fix it all.
"When everyone hates Star Wars, no one will! Wait, no..."
Genius but it has to be every single one
@@pleasedontbreakintomyhouse7989 even Glab Shito ?
@@niccolorichter1488 EVERYONE
If Max Reebo gets a special where he's just chilling and making Jizz, I'll fall in love all over again, holiday or no. You can't ruin it for me.
At this point, Disney even holding a director for a Star Wars movie will be an accomplishment.
It’s going to end up being directed by like four different people. Because they all left but their “contributions” remained intact bc fuck idk man, desperate.
@lrig snart which is dumb, since his movie was the best one to come out of disney
@@lucs028 I mean... It was the most spectacular in a way, but putting half of the internet on fire isn't exactly a seal of quality.
@@bilbobaggins9451 a vision that has hurt the franchise. Congrats.
@Lucas Savicki I'm with you. I wish all those who rallied fans to hate on TLJ would rewatch all 9 eps from start to finish and honestly evaluate them outside the lens of nostalgia bias. I recently did this with my kid, and it really changed my mind on the whole series. The sequel series as a whole is decent and worthy of being part of the universe. While I love SW, the original and prequel series were just not that good. They were loaded with bad acting, cheesy dialogue, dumb plot twists and holes, and tropes that were overused even at the time they were made. Each of the 9 films had some good elements and some bad ones, and while I think 9 is probably the worst in the series, it isn't that bad compared to the others.
I think a big part of the problem is that most fans placed SW on some narrative pedestal without realizing that the films were meant to tell an old fashioned epic like Iliad or Odyssey. It wasn't about telling a complete, fully developed and coherent story. It was about making the audience feel a particular way and bringing them along the heroes journey. It's always been about the feels, not the thoughts, and sadly it's been the thoughts that have gotten in the way of many people enjoying the films. Now I'm not saying people should overlook stupid things in films, but I am suggesting that people judge them on their level with what they were trying to accomplish. And all 9 films did that very well.
It was physically impossible to not make Episode 7 a success.
I don't know, man. A story about a desert orphan finding out a droid with critical information on it's way to aid the rebel forces, then meeting a grumpy father figure, a guy wearing leather with no desire to die for the rebel cause and Chewbaca? Going to a sleezy cantina, flying on the the Millenium Falcon, fiding out they have magic powers, fiding out the bad guy with with a black mask has a planet killing -moon- spacestation, fiding out bad man in black mask has a personal connection with grumpy father figure, having bad guy with with a black mask kill grumpy father figure in a one on one confrontation, then having an xwing make a 1 in a million shot after a tight trench run, ultimately destroying the enemy spacestation?
As a concept, that's kinda out there. I'd say it was a coin flip whether it would work or not.
@@V1489Cygni Wow, what a fresh take. Definitely never heard this before.
@@Jerrrrremy Sounds like you'd have a bright future at Disney
@@V1489Cygni Chewbacca specifically being there is the secret ingredient
I feel like the success of The Force Awakens was due to the fact it mirrored A New Hope. Same formula for the modern times and it was a well made film.
"Stop letting me talk".
Perfect ending, could have worked with literally any movie franchise in existence.
Mission Impossible still slaps tho
"I don't think David Lynch was that interested in the Mace Windu series." David Lynch: "I started to get a headache. Like a migraine. They started explaining purple light sabers. I needed to go home and lay down."
Wait, did they actually.
@@abeedo The tagline was, "A Jedi in trouble."
@@abeedo Lynch was offered to direct Return of The Jedi, the migraine quote is what he said happened when he sat down with George Lucas lol.
@@zero-pl3tt And then they suckered him into making Dune. He should have done the Star Wars film.
@@DPMusicStudio Naw. Dune was half a step away from true greatness, despite it all. th-cam.com/video/pixm64N5xeI/w-d-xo.html
Star Wars ended by making everyone into Harrison Ford, tired of it all 😭
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That’s actually an amazing insight
@Munchies 2019 I still adore Star Wars, I just steer clear of anything sequel-related for me lol. But yeah I am like a megafan and that movie made me cease any further Star Wars intake for like a year and a half 🫤
@@cbesmer7 Harrison Ford initially wanted Han Solo to die in The Empire Strikes Back. It seems like he's been over Star Wars ever since.
@@omarcardenas2012The Last Jedi is the best Star Wars movie
I often think about how different modern media would look like if David Lynch had taken the Return of the Jedi job. Twin Peaks: The Return would have been considered too tame in that world
A Star wars movie made by Lynch would be really interesting
I'm sorry, if he'd WHAT?!
That part was _real?_
@@AdamFunk George Lucas considered Lynch for directing Return of the Jedi.
I don't know, Lynch tried directing a space opera movie once and it didn't go well...
@@diehard7517Dune didn't had nearly as much backing and expectation (at least on it's first cycle, not after it became a long wait) as SW did with RoTJ
Star Wars is what I have nightmares of what Lord of the Rings could have been/may yet become.
One could hope that they actually learn from the Star Wars and superhero fatigue... or maybe it's wishful thinking
Is 100 percent about to become
at we can hold the OT tight at night
Erm actually sweaty you are racist and sexist if you don't watch the amazon version that nobody watched or talks about anymore
Give it time.
The Boba Fett show feels like an hour and a half Disney+ special that somehow got stretched into a full TV series
With a Mandalorian commercial plopped in the middle
Same with the Obi Wan one. But at least that could've been salvaged.
There’s a Boba Fett show?!?!?
@@fractal5764 Don't bother.
Edit: Oh, I get it.
@@Casshio They say the only way to enjoy Obi Wan and Boba Fett it's in form of a movie, because those two were originally to be movies, there are fan edits that supossedly make them better.
Star Wars fatigue arrived faster than Marvel's one. That's impressive
Because marvel has a different structure in terms of making movies, marvel had consistant leadership with 10 years of good movies, star wars was sold, and suddenly went from the original 6 + clone wars to constantly releasing movies and shows that weren't good. Marvel under disney had a pre established goodwill with people built over years, Lucasfilm had good will with people, under george, now george isn't there, the change from one mans vision to multiple directors and writers is what's hurting it, star wars isn't built to handle multiple visions from different people, marvel was because that's how they started. Disney is trying to turn star wars into a "multiplayer game" when it was built to be a "singleplayer game"
@@Apac12 I feel like Marvel has gone downhill since Stan Lee died, but I'm glad he isn't alive to see what most Marvel movies and shows have become.
Lmao I understand what you’re trying to say. But Star Wars literally started in 1977, fatigue was always on the horizon, even during the prequel times. The fact that George sold it should have been a stronger sign of fatigue than anything else. He knew the fan base has BEEN toxic and impossible to please lol. Everything from these Disney years has just been a really expensive, really ugly victory lap with new owners who don’t understand the product
Probably because Marvel was pretty solid through endgame meanwhile Star Wars immediately started off with an incredibly divisive trilogy that in multiple ways shits on what came before. But as we’ve seen with Guarduans 3, Jedi Survivor, Bad Batch season 2, and Andor, people aren’t tired of these properties, they’re tired of bad products from these properties.
@@jesustovar2549 he wasn't Marvel CEO, he didn't even write the stories for a long time, MCU fans act like he was responsible for everything
"Stop letting me talk!"
If only Disney executives actually asked that from their assistants instead of to open the door for them.
*cough* Kathleen Kennedy
Aw man. I'm already getting "Mediocre, sometimes good tv" fatigue.
Andor was pretty damn good, though.
@@EmeraldLavigne for a star wars show
Andor was, like, the ONLY good thing Disney has made ever since the acquisition. That and like, two episodes of Visions.
@@ori.g4mi mandalorian and tales were solid my guy
@@Vainner Idk what solid means to you because Mandalorian was disappointingly average. Expensive ass production backed by the most childish script and choreography.
The only good thing about it was how cute Mando and Grogu's interactions were
I would definitely be interested in Todd Field bringing his Tar energy to a Star Wars film
Tar?
@@kodyshaw6991 its a movie, its pretty good
@@kodyshaw6991 Tár is a great recent movie that got some Oscar nominations!
Am the only one who had a double take after seeing that The Force Awakens came out in 2015 it still feels like I just saw it in theaters
ikr lmaoo
Time is wild! That’s how I feel about all of MCU phase 2…can’t believe it was almost 10yrs ago now.
Nope, that definitely feels like a movie that came out 8 years ago.
Oh yeah definitely it just doesn’t feel like it’s been 8 years already time really flies
Adjusted for pandemic it was only 5 years ago
I think it's really funny how you can see in some of these shows, how they are bogged down with bad filler because they were originally meant to be movies
Which shows? I’m curious
@@PurpleNoir Obi wan, book of boba fett, and falcon and the winter solider definitely come to mind.
@@WhispCommanderComics Nah. If anything, Falcon and the Winter Solider actually needed a few more episodes. The bad part was the action-filled last episode which deflated the whole thing - the typical last third of a Marvel movie stuff. It was so rushed. *Episode 5 was the best episode and it's mostly just the characters working though things* ... it would have been glossed over in a movie. lol. Sam, Bucky and John Walker were good characters to set a series around. Maybe I'm just moving out of the demographic for comic book movies/TV but I want less battles and more talking and the TV shows offer an opportunity for that. *I'd definitely take a Marvel version of The Leftovers* covering what happened to the remaining people after The Snap in more detail.
Filler doesn't exist in shows like that, filler is a term specifically for adaptions that need to pad out time for the source material to catch up.
none of the shows you're referring to are adapting anything, you're using a term with a fundamental lack of understanding for that terms meaning. Just because a smaller character focused episode doesn't do anything for you, doesn't mean the writers made it just to extend the series out. Some people like self contained one offs, so they include self contained one offs.
@@Fanatic_Foremem Reva's entire inclusion in Kenobi is filler to extended out a script that was originally intended for a movie. So yeah, it's filler.
Presenting Ingmar Bergman's "Stürr Voæren" trilogy about Yoda's feverish PTSD induced decent into madness as he's slowly dying inside his swamp hut alone and forgotten while conversing with Yaddle's ghostly apparition (played by Bergman's wife ofc).
I love the homage to Dvorak 9th symphony 4th movement, from which John Williams I believe took his inspiration from, or how ever else you'd want to describe it.
You're forgetting the part where they keep hiring rookie writers for their projects, and yet they can't figure out why people don't like the writing.
Ain't it ironic
Yep, and the nonstop multimillion dollar cameos in every episode are really cutting into the CGI and production budgets
Just like videogame movies back in the day, though ironically those are getting....better.....oh man are Star Wars films the new "videogame movies*??
@@bend.7590 Disney trying to explain why a 2 minute Jack Black and Lizzo cameo was a good investment
“Let’s hire someone who’s made a couple mediocre indie movies and hope for the best” seems like Disney’s tactic for “reinventing” Star Wars and Marvel, and it’s really showing the limits of those people, because it really shows the difference between what a dedicated and devoted writer is and someone who is doing it because it’s a big paycheck.
I bet anything people like Rian Johnson and Chloe Zhao got hired more for their status as rising indie darlings than for any actual solid pitches they made. Besides that, when they took on the jobs there was probably a minimum of research done. Compare that to the only indie director who really made it big on superhero movies; Christopher Nolan.
Nolan went all in and read much of the Batman comics, hired comic expert and writer David Goyer to come in and shape it with him, and took his time planning a foundation story, and a sequel which built on it further. And even when Nolan didn’t really want to do a third one at first, when he got back into it he gave it his best shot and created a spectacular trilogy that is still regarded as the best superhero movies made.
I think this is your most accurate skit to date!
All of skits are accurate! The one he did about the Tolkien Estate has been my favorite
Every Studio/Stupid Exec sketch is gold. I'd literally up my Patreon teir to fund a miniseries about just this. Seriously.
Pretty much. Cynical Hollywood studios just try to replicate the universe of movies without understanding what made it work.
@lrig snart Yup. They just think "Oh, it's [PROPERTY NAME]. They'll like whatever we do"
@lrig snart ah, the awful, awful reality where Sem Mendes us a real director....
Hollywood has historically always learned the wrong lessons from big successes.
"People got tired of star wars really fast"
True in essence, people got tired of disney wars really fast
Only shining anomaly being Andor, showing heights I'm not sure they'll ever comprehend
The on and off Dvorak Symphony Movement 9 during the background is a perfect tonal indicator for Star Wars progressions in less then 10 years. I love it 😂🎉
wow, i appreciate the dedication to hire the entire company of Disney for one video, good job Mr Carrying Thing
I feel like the opening scroll on the next Star Wars film should be used to explain what happened to every directors Trilogy they were promised and how Disney screwed them out of it, rewrote it and/or reshot it. What about the Jar Jar Binks standalone film we were promised
"Izza people gunna makes a movie??"
I don't think people would watch 90 minutes of a film scroll explaining all of Disney's mistakes 🤣
Instead just get Man Carrying Thing to carry the franchise
I googled this in a panic to see whether or not the Jar Jar Binks movie was actually a thing.
I will purposely not say what I found in order to mildly annoy someone else.
@@james2529 I know about the Jar-Jar movie, isn't that the one where they confirm that he was a sith all along? 🤣
@@ChrisKeziahHyde *150 minutes
David Lynch making a Star Wars-related anything is a great inside-joke for those who saw *that one* interview.
All of this adds to the question, how the fuck did Andor happen? That show is something else
Best piece of Star Wars media since Return of the Jedi 👌👌
They said fuck it whats the worst that can happen we got Grogu money
@@thatginger6839 I'd say it's better than Return of the Jedi, RotJ is definitely the most campy movie out of the OT with the whole Ewok storyline.
@@liaiouihhui you're right about the Ewok stuff, but the Luke/Vader plot is too top tier to disregard the entire movie imo
So many people dislike Andor because it doesn't "feel exactlly like SW " ....dummies...
Or they have PTSD from all those Disney atrocities, so they can't recognise a good thing when it comes along..
Obviously a David Lynch SW project would’ve been bonkers, but I’m almost more interested in an Ingmar Bergman Star Wars. It would probably be focused on the mortality of the Jedi and the spiritual aspects of force ghosts and their souls. Might be interesting.
To think of how close we got to the Jar Jar trilogy 😢
The event that split us from the good timeline to where we are now was people rejecting Jar Jar, not giving Lucas either the opportunity to reveal he was the sith lord behind it all or to flesh out Dooku
@@V1489CygniAgreed. The puzzle pieces were all there. That was going to be one of the greatest plot twists in film history. The bumbling idiot was actually the mastermind.
@@Marcell2aG as the man said, "Jar Jar is the key to all of it"
“Stop letting me talk” is perhaps the best advice anyone could give to Disney and Marvel right now
As long as people keep watching everything that's vaguely related to something they like, they will keep getting whatever random stuff someone is willing to write
The Amazing Spider-Man Comics in a nutshell
He really wrote, directed, produced and starred in a whole Star Wars trilogy just for this video, talk about dedication
Very original comment…
@@nickm.5931 :(
„Stop letting me talk”😂
And yet through all of this chaos and the ashes, Andor rose up, I have no idea how it was as amazing as it was or how Disney let something like it be released with their name attached to it.
Yeah, it's really a shame that nobody really watched that show. There seems to be a pattern where the less of a brand the main character has such as andor or Mando at first, the better the show is.
@Bobby2889 I will say, with how good the show is in my opinion, it does drag through some parts. Especially 2 episodes where they're just planning an attack. But once you get to the prison episodes/ the finale, it turns into some of the best content star wars has ever had. You just gotta wait it out.
@@robhardingpoetry The end of that episode is precisely when it becomes amazing. Keep going.
@@robhardingpoetry It definitely gets good. It's true, the show in general might have different pace, but it picks up after ep.3. I think next 1-2 episodes might hook you. It definitely gets very very good. It might be worth saying there is also more than 1 story arc throughout the season.
It's the best thing to ever come out of Star Wars. But it's in spite of Disney, they'll be content to just churn our more Mando.
I’d say that the solution is to tell different and well made stories set in the same universe instead of relying so much on nostalgia, but as Andor kinda proved, that doesn’t really get people to even give it a chance.
I think that Disney should apply that same strategy that Sunrise/Bandai have applied to the Gundam franchise, I mean : touch your main line when you good enough ideas to do it and when you don't, try to do some spin-offs without touching the main time line in that way if you fail your fans can ignore that fail and continue loving the main product
Love the Ingmar Bergman reference 😂😂
When you realize a movie ticket cost $11 and Disney plus costs the same but the shows air for two months so it’s like paying $22 for a movie ticket
Great job to Man for Carrying the Thing before it fell over at 0:28 that was a close one
Before "Here's Johnny," Jack Nicholson tried "THE NEW STAR WARS IS A SURPRISE HIT" as his catch-phrase in The Shining, but Kubrick felt that was "too cerebral."
"mediocre....sometimes good t.v." pretty much sums it up for me 😂
I can't believe Kevin Feige actually called mr. Man as if he actually worked at Disney lmao
Damn, I was so excited for David Lynch's Windu series.
this is spot-on, even more than you think, even down to Disney thinking we "got tired" of Star Wars.
the fans weren't fatigued. they were disgusted. they were repulsed by what Disney turned Star Wars into, and they checked out.
Bob Iger was citing Star Wars fatigue mid way through the Sequel Trilogy! Uh, no dude… your movies were just terrible.
@@Pneumanonwe were really fatigued with the same old themes, story beats, and imagery. They didn't do anything new with the franchise!
"Stop letting me talk"
"Okay, so here's my idea: we bring on a trio of world-class martial artists, and then have them get eaten by space slugs after two minutes of screen time and zero martial arts."
-Man Directing Thing
Could not be more accurate.
Couldn’t stop cackling at:
*”maybe if we got some of that Tár energy”*
I love how it's almost perfectly split in half between the two parts
Damn, Igmar Bergman directing science fiction related shots are the stuff of glorious dreams.
"Stop letting me talk!" 😂 The talking isn't the problem; it's just that some people are actually listening.
"No more Star Wars"
It hurts to hear but maybe it's for the best
Full disclosure: i like TLJ
Disney not having a consistent plan for the sequel trilogy doomed it before it started. That shit retconned its own retcons that spun off into more retcons and now the fanbase is more fragmented than when Jar Jar was a thing.
I like TLJ, too.
Using Dvorak 9th 4th movement is a great choice lmao. Great work as always!!
Shout out to Andor, not only one of the best Star Wars related thing ever made, but also one of the best tv show in recent years
This man can’t miss
Since everyone’s getting a trilogy, when can we expect the Man Carrying things Star Wars Trilogy to come out?
The Mandalorien was super good. I want more of that please
Igmar Bergman honestly would’ve done a good Revan story imo
I value the cultured Easter egg of the fact that she inspired Gilbert Taylor.
@@bencebotye3904 She?
@@bencebotye3904 are you mixing up Igmar Bergman and Ingrid Bergman?
Ingmar*
@@ya9ya10 sorry, I missread/missread his name.
You come up with such good characters!
i just saw someone say they were glad andor wasn't political
i'm still letting that sink in
That last line is killer
The state of Star Wars now makes me miss the Expanded Universe more than ever. That had its misses for damn sure, but the hit rate was far higher imo.
Disney really came in like Walter Peck saying "Shut this off. Shut these all off." They literally could've just let the EU and LucasArts keep doing their thing and fans would've been happy, but nooooo!
I see you using new world symphony, nice choice
“Stop letting me talk” - Kathleen Kennedy
"Stop letting me talk!"
Bruh I spit my gum out at that one.
Something I never thought would happen to me:
Wondering what an Ingmar Bergman Star Wars film would look like.
Wondering what David Lynch’s Mace Windu trilogy would look like.
Todd Field’s Star Wars.
Not that I necessarily want to know what those would look like. Not the intelligent part of my brain, anyway 😂
Lmao, you conveyed the excitement and the reservation so well!
The Force Awakens just makes me sad honestly. I remember leaving the theater so excited to see Star Wars was back.
Oh, it was back alright...
Yeah holy I remember my cousins being so open and excited for the future of the next two movies... FUCK THE LAST TWO MOVIES... sorry I still haven't recovered from those... things.
Honestly I keep saying I am glad its back for the kids but is there even stuff that kids can be excited for Star Wars wise? Like when we were kids, there were always action figures and affordable ones too. I could save up and get any character. Now it's like $20 for the small ones and hard to even find a Luke because they barely make any and they sell out fast. I guess the books and some of the comics are fine at least.
It was not back. There are only six movies.
Sequel Trilogy? That doesn't exist. Stop making stuff up.
@@TwoToRule Huh must of been a bad trip then. Don't take drugs kids they really make you hallucinate.
@@TwoToRule there were 8 movies. Remember ewok adventures? Edit: also there was a clone wars movie
Man it feels so good to have been one of the few people who thought force awakens sucked back in 2015
glad to see dvorak from the new world being used
Thank you. I knew I knew it, but couldn't place it.
To be fair if they were good people wouldn't have got tired of them so quickly.
"stop letting me talk" yeah
Honestly if they would made the "Book of Boba Fett" similar to Sophranos, that would be wonderful.
there was like one or two moments where that show feels like it's premise of a gangster show but star wars
@@nameynamename3758 And those moments lasted seconds. The rest was Mayor Babo (Yes, Babo. That wasn't Boba.) and his weird misadventures.
@@Casshio what weird misadventures
@@nameynamename3758 His time with Tuskens where he comedically explained how to ride bikes, the slap stick scooter chase, that time he got knocked on his ass immediately by some guys with shields or the one when he rampaged through the city of "his people" with a rancor, losing control over it after like 5 seconds, the one where he beat his old rival with the power of friendship and then at the end when he said, "fuck it, time to go, bye". You know. Fun Babo stuff.
@@Casshio i wouldn't call those misadventures im getting bored just reading about it
"Stop letting me talk."
I lost it when I heard that line.
To be totally fair, The Mandolorian and Andor have been some of my favourite television as of recent. The former being really nice nerdy comfort food, and the latter being a genuinely excellent and clever show. I also really love Rogue One. The lows are low, but the highs are high.
Sick Dvorak reference
I enjoy the the side stories within the galaxy like Mando and Andor but don't want to hear about the jedi vs sith anymore Maybe more Star Wars with less Fan Service
the ingmar bergman comment killed me
Not gonna lie, hearing that rian johnson will never get his trilogy was perhaps the best news I received (yes, yes, I lead an empty life and I'm a horrible person; move on). That aside, the whole fatigue thing is relatable. I've lost track of which show to watch so I don't know which character ties in where.
"This does put a smile on my face"
And somehow Andor happened, basically the best film/show Star Wars since the original trilogy. That show demonstrated that people isn't tired of Star Wars, they are tired of mediocre Star Wars (everyone was also pretty hyped with first two seasons of The Mandalorian, which were very good, so it's easy to notice tha pattern)
David Lynch reference was a nice touch
I really miss the Expanded Universe. Not all of it was perfect but there was a lot of great material there that could have been made into new movies.
I would legitimately enjoy a David Lynch take on the Star Wars universe.
the only unrealistic part of this is that they didn't look for directors with good experience
@lrig snart Even while the Last Jedi was disregarded, I wouldn't exactly defend that film as being a good movie let along a good Star Wars movie.
@@Obi-Wan_Kenobi Nobody Cares about your opinion, so 😛
@lrig snart Dude, you're so pretentious. Visual art is not even a quarter of the worth of a movie
@@Obi-Wan_Kenobi cry more - it's the best Star Wars movie.
@@Obi-Wan_Kenobi It was better than every Star Wars besides ESB. Actually took some risks and was very well directed. You can not like the film but if u look at Rian Johnson's body of work you see he is super talented. I hate how online film crit bros tend to label artists as "untalented" just cause they make one movie they dont like 😂
This is so spot on.
Producer: "I'm just saying, an Old Republic trilogy could be the kickstart to a fresh and exciting era of Star Wars."
Disney: "Uh uh. Or alternatively, you're fired."
Damn this was good, one of my favorite ones 😂
I remember when The Last Jedi came out people were arguing we had "Star Wars fatigue". Just 3 movies: Force Awakens, Rogue One, and the Last Jedi. And people were blaming the fans saying we're fatigued and not in the right mindset to enjoy Star Wars. Seems like a joke now. These days Disney tries to treat it like their second MCU.
Yoda: Good news, I have! The gum you like, go back in style it will!
"I know that gum! That's my most favorite gum in the world!"
It's a shame because the Rian Johnson trilogy would probably the best star wars stuff ever. At least we got Andor in the middle of that mess.
We knew how it was gonna go from the start
I loved when man said he was carrying thing, then thinged all over the Empire. Truly one of the of all time!
If Star Wars Jazz really is called Jizz, then Tár would have a different context.
We need Dave Filoni as a fresh voice in the franchise. To truly bring in new characters that have never appeared before
Problem with Filoni is that he'll just end up reusing his OCs, IE: Ahsoka, Rex, Rebels crew
New characters my ass. Dude can't make a Star wars series without a 100 Clone Wars cameos and references to Legends stuff.
Could be wrong but I think people are missing the joke here.
Who needs new characters? They messed up when they didn't start with adaptations in 2012. They would have less worrying about being creative or hiring "flavor-of-the-week" directors, even if they needeed to pay pennys to old authors.
@@JeanLucPicard85 oh they are
The Dvorak in the 2015 section is a representation of the “new world” of Star Wars that had just opened up to Disney. Or maybe it’s just a LOGH reference to call to mind other space opera.
We didn't get tired of Star Wars, we got tired of bad Star Wars. And we now expect new Star Wars to be bad.
Now you've got me intrigued by a Ingmar Bergman star wars movie