Correction: at 5:16, 49 km/h should be 127 km/h. I went and double checked and when I typed in "79 mph to kmh" into Google, it gave me 79 km/h converted into 49 mph for whatever weird reason. Apparently I didn't think much of it while editing. Also I forgot to add in the tractive effort. It should be 30,685 lbf (136.49 kN). Sorry about that. I should also note the final name of the "Great River" train ended up being the "Borealis".
I rode behind the Class A in WWII on the Midwest Hiawatha. I still remember the great A coming into the station as I had never seen a streamlining locomotive before.
Increasing track speeds between Chicago and Milwaukee to 110 mph needs to happen. That, and electrifying the Hiawatha route, whether just Chicago to Milwaukee or all the way to the Twin Cities, would be a serious gamechanger. Hard to believe that in most of the US the trains of today travel slower than the ones of yesteryear.
There was an accident in the late 40s that led the ICC to forbid trains from traveling above 80 MPH (I think) unless sophisticated signalling systems were installed. I believe this has only been done on the Northeast Corridor, formerlly the Pennsylvania Railroad, though the new private line in Florida must have such a system as well. My dad rode the old Hiawatha and said they had speedometers on the wall of the club car, and when the speedometer reached 100, well, guess what happened. (If this isn't 100% accurate, well, sue me.)
My great grandfather on my father’s side was a ticket agent for the Milwaukee Road. And his father was an engineer for the railroad as well. Both sides of my family love the Hiawatha, but I can only confirm my dad’s side worked for the Milwaukee Road. I’m glad you made a video about the Hiawatha!
Used to be the signs along the right of way that read "Reduce to 90" were a watch-word of the Hiawatha trains. Knew a guy who hopped a Hiawatha without a ticket as he had to get home fast for an emergency when he was a teen, wound up riding in the gangway between the tender and the first car to avoid being seen. In his own words, "Biggest mistake I ever made, first and last time I ever hopped a train." All the grit and loose gravel got sucked up through there because of the speed and the streamlining acting like an air scoop, by the end of it he had cuts all over his face and hands. Worst part was they were going so fast if he slipped he knew he'd be killed for sure, so all he could do was hang on, said the noise was deafening. Managed to not get caught, jumped off when they were slowing down on the approach to the last stop.
Had me on the edge of my seat when he told me. By the time I met him, he was an old gent, very mild-mannered, but we all sow a few wild oats when we're young. He said he wouldn't have done it if it wasn't an emergency and he hadn't been flat broke. But he knew the Hiawatha was the fastest thing around and his one shot at getting home in time.
@@Shipwright1918 an interesting story. I wish I knew people who could tell me stories about their experiences on past railroads and the equipment that ran on them. I LOVE TRAINS!
Well, in my experience you gotta put yourself out there and talk to people, and more importantly listen and show interest, friendly smile doesn't hurt either. Usually my engineer's hat is a good icebreaker. People see it and if they know anything about trains, they tend to wander over and we get the conversation started.
The Class A is, in my opinion, the most sleek, yet the most deep feeling locomotive ever built. An Atlantic wheel type (my favorite wheel type), with streamlined shrouding, AND AN AIR HORN that sounds amazing. The colours, the sounds, everything is just awesome. Also, the locomotive that made me realize I love Atlantics with outside valve gear, especially coupled to the front drivers.
other problems the F7 hiawatha 4-6-4's had besides stripping their running gear and crosshead problems were: - hard riding - tended to slip - developed hot main pins
The Milwaukee Road Hiawatha is another beautiful passenger train service even though it’s quite a shame that none of the Milwaukee Road Class A 4-4-2 “Atlantic” and F7 4-6-4 “Hudson” steam locomotives were preserved today (Especially Milwaukee Road F7 102). Along with the class G 4-6-0 “Ten-Wheeler” and F3 4-6-2 “Pacific” steam locomotives. At least they are still honored. Also the Milwaukee Road F7 4-6-4 “Hudson” steam locomotives were the fastest steam locomotives in the United States at the time with a speed of 120 MPH. Until possibly Pennsylvania Railroad T1 5550 by a speed record 130 MPH, so to make it the fastest steam locomotive in the world over LNER No. 4468 “Mallard”. Sure hope so for Pennsylvania Railroad T1 5550.
Damn it, I was just getting into the Hiawatha and now I learn they had *horns* and not whistles! I feel betrayed… but being from the Chicago area myself, I’m glad to see somebody make a concise video about one of the railroads in the area. Thank you!
Class F7 hudsons were built with 3 Chime whistles, and Leslie A200 horns, both located above the headlight behind the air flow grills. Eventually, the horn was moved to fireman's side of the boiler, and the whistle was removed when Mars Lights were added. I'm not sure about the whistles on the Chippewa and North Woods locomotives, but they likely only had horns after they were streamlined. (The 4-6-2s and 4-6-0s were not built streamlined, this was done at the Milwaukee's shops.
My great great-great-grandfather on my father’s side was an avid train enthusiast and train spotter back in the day, he would take the Hiawatha often on business trips. He took a photo of one of the G-Class locomotives up close to the point you could see into the cab. To my knowledge it is the only photo of a streamlined Milwaukee road G-Class 4-6-0’s interior in existence.
the milw i believe is very underrated, especially considering passenger and electric operations, they had their wonderful streamliners meant to be able to accelerate quickly in the short runs between milwaukee and chicago, and had their electric line that from what i remember made it all the way to south dakota
Thank you!!! This is AMAZING!! The Hiawatha is 1 of if not my #1 favorite train. My Grandma actually raced a Hiawatha 1 time when she was driving home from Church in Wisconsin as the route home paralleled & was right along the tracks. I live in MPLS today, & would love to be reincarnated to that time period & ride the Hiawatha.
Twin Cities here. To add confusion, our Blue Line light rail was originally called the Hiawatha Line until 2013. The other branch of that light rail system, the Green Line, is how you will make the 45 minute connection from the Empire Builder or Great River trains at St.Paul Union Depot to the Target Field commuter rail station for the near future Amtrak Northern Lights Express to Duluth. If the other Amtrak Midwest expansions happen as imagined, I don't know which stations will host the third & fourth daily trips to Chicago on an alternate route by way of Eau Claire, or the train that will double the Empire Builder for an additional trip much like the Great River but westward as far as Fargo ND. I'm really looking forward to improved long distance service from the Twin Cities!
Rumor has it the F7s were faster than Mallard - and they had to be, the timetable put them averaging over 80mph - which means you've got to be running a heck of a lot faster than that to make up for station stops. Steam era high speed rail.
I live near downtown Milwaukee, and as you can assume we have an addition for the MILW in model RR'ing'. I was at a hobby shop once and saw a guy wearing a Hiawatha hat, it was that of his grand-dads. I asked further on, his granddad worked as an engineer aboard the #2 Atlantic. Such a cool little piece of history I came across. I'm still looking for an Atlantic A class to match my passenger set... I really appreciate the local history you dug up... Thank you.
Right at the end of steam power, most of the engines could cruise at 100mph or over, providing the tracks were in good shape. Extremely technically advanced.
Thank you for making this video, I have always loved the Milwaukee Road, and the Hiawatha train service, this has thought me things that I couldn’t find anywhere else!
Loved those shrouded Hiawatha’s both the Atlantic and Pacific’s … They were gorgeous…! My favorites… Also C&EI’s 1008 shovel nose in black, silver and red piping… And the N&W’s streamlined, like the 611…. As much as a Hudson is my favorite steam engine I personally didn’t like the shrouding on them…. What a great era in railroading… Rode behind a Northwestern steam passenger train to the UP from Chicago with my Mom to visit cousins in Iron Mountain, that was a thrill and later was an Engineer on the UP for 42 years….. Enjoyed railroading… Retired but love to watch these excellent videos… 5 STARS ✨ GG
5:03 Amtrak also is planning on extending Hiawatha Service north to Green Bay, WI, reviving another section of a former Hiawatha, in this case, the Chippewa Hiawatha.
I’d argue it would only be a Hiawatha in name past Milwaukee, as the trains would be largely using either the ex SOO Line where the Laker was common, or the ex CNW with the 400 naming. Personal opinion though, but I feel the 400 name would be a little more fitting as the Valley 400 would both return a classic name but also give a little name value for the location it would be running through for service. That’s just me though, will be nice to see it happen at all regardless of the name
3:11 The Class A was built to cruise at 100mph. So the notion that they “occasionally” hit 100 mph is incorrect. The Chicago to twin cities run was very competitive, so having the fastest time between said cities was the goal. The Hiawatha has been claimed to have hit speeds of 120 mph or higher.
Indeed, it is sad. But, at least three of the streamlined steam locomotives are honored as HO scale brass models. I think it's the next best thing to preserving their memory and history since none survived. The Milwaukee Class "L-3" 2-8-2 (Mikado) is also honored as an HO scale brass...however, it's not "streamlined".
@@bensipiorski6645 Yes sir! Expensive indeed. I went over-budget to obtain the two Milw Rd F-7 Hudsons that I currently own from Overland Models...and I'm so happy I got 'em. I am now gunning for a third F-7 Hudson. Sometimes, I get a little crazy with the dough when it comes to brass. 😁👉 💵 💰 But, I rarely regret doing it. I'd regret it if I didn't go after brass models I so desired. They're hard to come by...they don't show up on the market very often. I'll be going after the HO brass Milw Rd Class "A" 4-4-2 aka the Atlantic, too. Another expensive babe. I LOVE BRASS!!! ❤️
@@everettthepetractionguy4222 I do think brass is cool, but again, very expensive. I would rather wait for companies like BLI, ScaleTrains, etc. to make these locomotives.
I am disappointed that none of the art deco, shrouded steam locomotives were preserved, including my favorite, the F-7 Hudson Hiawatha steam locomotive. But, at least the F-7 is honored as an HO scale "brass" model. I have two of them in my HO brass steam locomotive collection. 😊
2:28 And I thought the RWS illustration of Edward's Exploit was extreme with Edward wincing in pain as his frames were battered, as well as Knuckles' 8th episode in his Railways of Sodor series where Gordon's conjugated valve gear tore his frame.
2:40 before his driver could check it, his crosshead overheated furiously. With a shrieking crack something broke and batter and framed his streamlining up and out of shape
The January 1944 issue of Trains had a discussion of the "super railroad" that the C.M.St.P.&P. was building, mostly through curve reduction and eliminating mainline switches. It included a speedometer tape from the Hiawatha running between Chicago and Milwaukee a few years earlier, most of the route was run at a steady 100 - 105 mph for an end-to-end speed of about 82 mph. After the war, railroads lost interest in improving passenger trains and timetables slowed, service declined. Today, the only way one could travel from Chicago to Milwaukee in 75 minutes is by private airplane.
Actually the Hiawathas were allowed to operate at 100 Mph from the begining. That was specified on the Employee timetables. What was fairly commom were speeds slightly higher than that (management would turn a blind eye...), and there are reports of these trains reaching 120 Mph. Today things are slightly different, and not better. Some sections have been single tracked. Speed is now a paltry 79 Mph. Amtrak trains are more than 2 hours slower. But the original Milwaukee main line has long sections of tangent track. There's hope that maybe one day 110 Mph or more might be possible, and travel times might finally be reduções.
The MILW was on the ball when designing the A’s. They certainly fit the Hiawatha name, being the first steamers designed to reach 100 mph on a daily basis. Timetables even show they and the F7’s had some of the tightest schedules of any steam locomotive, with averages in excess of 80 mph called for. Not even trains like the 20th Century Limited or Broadway Limited called for such averages, not even after WWII I don’t think
Thank you for making this, I am a streamlined steam diehard, and I absolutely adore the Hiawathas. Do more streamlined (steam powered) train videos, and I’ll watch. (Do the Cincinnatian next) lol.
That was meant to be 127 km/h. I double checked and for whatever reason when I put in "79 mph to kmh" into Google, it gave me 79 km/h converted into 49 mph and I didn't think much of it while editing. Thanks for pointing that out!
Greetings from Amtraks Vermonter. Your work is so well researched and presented. And kudos to someone as young as you are for using the term 'new fangled' (if there is term old fangled, that would be me) 😂 Great tribute to these great trains.
Oh, btw....I can't believe that you didn't mention Karl F. Nystrom in the video, as he was very much involved with the Hiawatha's and the Milwaukee Road....😉
I have the Eire Built in HO scale and in Trainz. Just the one is HO scale is a New York Central System one while the one in Trainz is a Milwaukee Road Eire Built that I found off of the Download station. I’m glad that the Eire Built made it into this video.
You don't do the train's speed justice. It was required to run at 100mph or better on some stretches just to meet the normal schedule and had the fastest regular schedule of any steam train anywhere. It's generally accepted that the train maintained 112mph for 14 miles on a demonstration run before going into regular service, and probably reached its two mile a minute design speed on schedule setting runs.
I agree. I wish for the F7 hudson have survived as well, the F7 class were one of the fastest steam locomotives ever (only the A4 Mallard in UK is faster) which makes them the rival of the SP Daylight locomotives. Wish there will be a new build Milwaukee Road F7 just like the PRR T1 trust (though I would like the new build NYC Niagara, but I decide to let the new build NYC hudson to be built even though I to wait from 15 to 30 years).
"open the door and back the hiawatha into the backshop. Are we ready? ACTION" *Hiawatha backs into the door and crashes* "Elmer, could you wait until the door is COMPLETELY open before backing in?* *Whistle blows 3 times understandingly* from I love toy trains 8
Can you do the next video about the Broadway Limited train from New York, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh to Chicago before Amtrak replaced the route with Three Rivers train before it even discontinued?
Maybe some of them yes. Sold for money, of course. Some still in use, as private cars "excursion tour trains.". and also used on the Miwaukee road tracks, , what used to be the Great Northern Empire builder, trains now using the Milwaukee Road route, out west !Now A M Track .If that dont confuse you, what will? Canadian Pacific, or is it National , owns the Ill Central.
In an earlier iconic time the fame and form of the original Twin Cities Hiawatha was spread far and wide outside its American Midwest home territory most profoundly by Joshua Lionel Cowan, president of Lionel Electric Trains. In 1935 Lionel introduced a fanciful but accurately decorated version of the A-1 powered Hiawatha which despite the Great Depression was a commercial hit with boys and their dads. In an age when rail passenger service linked the great population centers and small towns throughout the nation decidedly more than any other form of transportation, glamorous trains like the Hiawatha evoked fascination in the American public. Many of those beautiful Lionel Hiawatha models in the Milwaukee's dazzling color scheme and pulled by a heavy diecast rendition of the 4-4-0 American A-1 type locomotive survive to this day. They are very popular with toy train collectors. Modern reproductions with contemporary electronic computer-controlled operation and amazingly accurate engine sounds have sold well to this day in many scales and gauges. So even if the A-1 and F-7 Hiawatha prototypes were sadly not preserved for posterity, miniature versions can still bring us their look and sounds through the magic of model railroading!
Correction: at 5:16, 49 km/h should be 127 km/h. I went and double checked and when I typed in "79 mph to kmh" into Google, it gave me 79 km/h converted into 49 mph for whatever weird reason. Apparently I didn't think much of it while editing. Also I forgot to add in the tractive effort. It should be 30,685 lbf (136.49 kN). Sorry about that. I should also note the final name of the "Great River" train ended up being the "Borealis".
@@marengtech313 "Wow, that train is almost as fast as my bicycle!"
real quick, at a minute in the tractive effort is wrong
I would assume Google now uses hallucinating AI to convert unit’s… for some reason. Math is hard so let’s guesstimate the value using AI.
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@@Geniusprimate I don't know why you said this, but as a Mario fan, this really reminds me of something...
I rode behind the Class A in WWII on the Midwest Hiawatha. I still remember the great A coming into the station as I had never seen a streamlining locomotive before.
Oh sure you are a veteran!
Whoa
Increasing track speeds between Chicago and Milwaukee to 110 mph needs to happen. That, and electrifying the Hiawatha route, whether just Chicago to Milwaukee or all the way to the Twin Cities, would be a serious gamechanger. Hard to believe that in most of the US the trains of today travel slower than the ones of yesteryear.
There was an accident in the late 40s that led the ICC to forbid trains from traveling above 80 MPH (I think) unless sophisticated signalling systems were installed. I believe this has only been done on the Northeast Corridor, formerlly the Pennsylvania Railroad, though the new private line in Florida must have such a system as well. My dad rode the old Hiawatha and said they had speedometers on the wall of the club car, and when the speedometer reached 100, well, guess what happened. (If this isn't 100% accurate, well, sue me.)
My great grandfather on my father’s side was a ticket agent for the Milwaukee Road. And his father was an engineer for the railroad as well. Both sides of my family love the Hiawatha, but I can only confirm my dad’s side worked for the Milwaukee Road. I’m glad you made a video about the Hiawatha!
Used to be the signs along the right of way that read "Reduce to 90" were a watch-word of the Hiawatha trains.
Knew a guy who hopped a Hiawatha without a ticket as he had to get home fast for an emergency when he was a teen, wound up riding in the gangway between the tender and the first car to avoid being seen. In his own words, "Biggest mistake I ever made, first and last time I ever hopped a train."
All the grit and loose gravel got sucked up through there because of the speed and the streamlining acting like an air scoop, by the end of it he had cuts all over his face and hands. Worst part was they were going so fast if he slipped he knew he'd be killed for sure, so all he could do was hang on, said the noise was deafening. Managed to not get caught, jumped off when they were slowing down on the approach to the last stop.
WoW!!
That's an incredible story. 😮
Had me on the edge of my seat when he told me. By the time I met him, he was an old gent, very mild-mannered, but we all sow a few wild oats when we're young.
He said he wouldn't have done it if it wasn't an emergency and he hadn't been flat broke. But he knew the Hiawatha was the fastest thing around and his one shot at getting home in time.
@@Shipwright1918 an interesting story. I wish I knew people who could tell me stories about their experiences on past railroads and the equipment that ran on them. I LOVE TRAINS!
Well, in my experience you gotta put yourself out there and talk to people, and more importantly listen and show interest, friendly smile doesn't hurt either.
Usually my engineer's hat is a good icebreaker. People see it and if they know anything about trains, they tend to wander over and we get the conversation started.
The Class A is, in my opinion, the most sleek, yet the most deep feeling locomotive ever built. An Atlantic wheel type (my favorite wheel type), with streamlined shrouding, AND AN AIR HORN that sounds amazing. The colours, the sounds, everything is just awesome. Also, the locomotive that made me realize I love Atlantics with outside valve gear, especially coupled to the front drivers.
Fun fact: from Tacoma to Seattle, the train was hauled in reverse with the skytop round end against the locomotive/tender
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other problems the F7 hiawatha 4-6-4's had besides stripping their running gear and crosshead problems were:
- hard riding
- tended to slip
- developed hot main pins
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The Milwaukee Road Hiawatha is another beautiful passenger train service even though it’s quite a shame that none of the Milwaukee Road Class A 4-4-2 “Atlantic” and F7 4-6-4 “Hudson” steam locomotives were preserved today (Especially Milwaukee Road F7 102). Along with the class G 4-6-0 “Ten-Wheeler” and F3 4-6-2 “Pacific” steam locomotives. At least they are still honored. Also the Milwaukee Road F7 4-6-4 “Hudson” steam locomotives were the fastest steam locomotives in the United States at the time with a speed of 120 MPH. Until possibly Pennsylvania Railroad T1 5550 by a speed record 130 MPH, so to make it the fastest steam locomotive in the world over LNER No. 4468 “Mallard”. Sure hope so for Pennsylvania Railroad T1 5550.
Damn it, I was just getting into the Hiawatha and now I learn they had *horns* and not whistles! I feel betrayed… but being from the Chicago area myself, I’m glad to see somebody make a concise video about one of the railroads in the area. Thank you!
Class F7 hudsons were built with 3 Chime whistles, and Leslie A200 horns, both located above the headlight behind the air flow grills. Eventually, the horn was moved to fireman's side of the boiler, and the whistle was removed when Mars Lights were added. I'm not sure about the whistles on the Chippewa and North Woods locomotives, but they likely only had horns after they were streamlined. (The 4-6-2s and 4-6-0s were not built streamlined, this was done at the Milwaukee's shops.
@@parkerpresley5800 well, at least they had a whistle at *some* point, thank you!
My great great-great-grandfather on my father’s side was an avid train enthusiast and train spotter back in the day, he would take the Hiawatha often on business trips. He took a photo of one of the G-Class locomotives up close to the point you could see into the cab. To my knowledge it is the only photo of a streamlined Milwaukee road G-Class 4-6-0’s interior in existence.
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the milw i believe is very underrated, especially considering passenger and electric operations, they had their wonderful streamliners meant to be able to accelerate quickly in the short runs between milwaukee and chicago, and had their electric line that from what i remember made it all the way to south dakota
TWo uploades in one day? It sure it's a greay day to be an Amtrakguy365 fan .
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@@AmtrakGuy365, these are one of the delfino railway tropical Kentucky express streamlined steamers.
Thank you!!! This is AMAZING!! The Hiawatha is 1 of if not my #1 favorite train. My Grandma actually raced a Hiawatha 1 time when she was driving home from Church in Wisconsin as the route home paralleled & was right along the tracks. I live in MPLS today, & would love to be reincarnated to that time period & ride the Hiawatha.
Twin Cities here. To add confusion, our Blue Line light rail was originally called the Hiawatha Line until 2013. The other branch of that light rail system, the Green Line, is how you will make the 45 minute connection from the Empire Builder or Great River trains at St.Paul Union Depot to the Target Field commuter rail station for the near future Amtrak Northern Lights Express to Duluth. If the other Amtrak Midwest expansions happen as imagined, I don't know which stations will host the third & fourth daily trips to Chicago on an alternate route by way of Eau Claire, or the train that will double the Empire Builder for an additional trip much like the Great River but westward as far as Fargo ND. I'm really looking forward to improved long distance service from the Twin Cities!
Haven't checked back in a while, but your uploads are full of surprises that never disappoint.
BTW, just like you, I'm a Mario fan now.
Rumor has it the F7s were faster than Mallard - and they had to be, the timetable put them averaging over 80mph - which means you've got to be running a heck of a lot faster than that to make up for station stops. Steam era high speed rail.
Whew! 😬 That's really something! 😅 I LOVE those Milw Rd F-7 Hudsons! ❤️
Legendary! The Hiawatha was peak Americana railroading.
I live near downtown Milwaukee, and as you can assume we have an addition for the MILW in model RR'ing'. I was at a hobby shop once and saw a guy wearing a Hiawatha hat, it was that of his grand-dads. I asked further on, his granddad worked as an engineer aboard the #2 Atlantic. Such a cool little piece of history I came across. I'm still looking for an Atlantic A class to match my passenger set... I really appreciate the local history you dug up... Thank you.
Right at the end of steam power, most of the engines could cruise at 100mph or over, providing the tracks were in good shape. Extremely technically advanced.
Thank you for making this video, I have always loved the Milwaukee Road, and the Hiawatha train service, this has thought me things that I couldn’t find anywhere else!
Great video, thanks for posting. Regards from the UK. 😊
Loved those shrouded Hiawatha’s both the Atlantic and Pacific’s … They were gorgeous…! My favorites… Also C&EI’s 1008 shovel nose in black, silver and red piping… And the N&W’s streamlined, like the 611…. As much as a Hudson is my favorite steam engine I personally didn’t like the shrouding on them…. What a great era in railroading… Rode behind a Northwestern steam passenger train to the UP from Chicago with my Mom to visit cousins in Iron Mountain, that was a thrill and later was an Engineer on the UP for 42 years….. Enjoyed railroading… Retired but love to watch these excellent videos… 5 STARS ✨ GG
It’s amazing though that 102 was still able to stay on the rails after what had just happened.
Never new these trains could tear its self apart at high speeds massive flaw in its build
1:20 I like to see more of these streamliner videos because they have a very interesting story to tell.
5:03 Amtrak also is planning on extending Hiawatha Service north to Green Bay, WI, reviving another section of a former Hiawatha, in this case, the Chippewa Hiawatha.
I’d argue it would only be a Hiawatha in name past Milwaukee, as the trains would be largely using either the ex SOO Line where the Laker was common, or the ex CNW with the 400 naming. Personal opinion though, but I feel the 400 name would be a little more fitting as the Valley 400 would both return a classic name but also give a little name value for the location it would be running through for service. That’s just me though, will be nice to see it happen at all regardless of the name
Amtrak needs to go away.
A really most excellent and informative document for which grateful thanks and appreciation!
Fantastic video! I love the look of the Hiawatha
*I edge to your videos :)*
As a Minnesotan, the absence of any of the Hiawatha steamers in preservation is strongly felt among us local steam fans. At least we still have 261.
AMONG US?- *gets disintegrated*
@@Merica_official50 that was a coinidence I swear lol
great use of the thomas sound track for the wreck segment
3:11 The Class A was built to cruise at 100mph. So the notion that they “occasionally” hit 100 mph is incorrect. The Chicago to twin cities run was very competitive, so having the fastest time between said cities was the goal. The Hiawatha has been claimed to have hit speeds of 120 mph or higher.
the As and F7s are truly something to behold
I agree. That's why I purchased HO scale brass models of the F-7 Hudsons. Next, I will add HO scale brass Class "A" Atlantics to my collection.
Great video. It is sad that none of the streamlined steam locomotives have survived today.
Indeed, it is sad. But, at least three of the streamlined steam locomotives are honored as HO scale brass models. I think it's the next best thing to preserving their memory and history since none survived. The Milwaukee Class "L-3" 2-8-2 (Mikado) is also honored as an HO scale brass...however, it's not "streamlined".
@@everettthepetractionguy4222 Yeah, but brass.....Yeesh. Detailed, but very expensive.
@@bensipiorski6645 Yes sir! Expensive indeed. I went over-budget to obtain the two Milw Rd F-7 Hudsons that I currently own from Overland Models...and I'm so happy I got 'em. I am now gunning for a third F-7 Hudson. Sometimes, I get a little crazy with the dough when it comes to brass. 😁👉 💵 💰 But, I rarely regret doing it. I'd regret it if I didn't go after brass models I so desired. They're hard to come by...they don't show up on the market very often. I'll be going after the HO brass Milw Rd Class "A" 4-4-2 aka the Atlantic, too. Another expensive babe. I LOVE BRASS!!! ❤️
@@everettthepetractionguy4222 I do think brass is cool, but again, very expensive. I would rather wait for companies like BLI, ScaleTrains, etc. to make these locomotives.
I love the A class. It's one of my favorite steam locomotives
0:22 QUINCYS MY TOWN BABY LETS GOOOO
I am disappointed that none of the art deco, shrouded steam locomotives were preserved, including my favorite, the F-7 Hudson Hiawatha steam locomotive. But, at least the F-7 is honored as an HO scale "brass" model. I have two of them in my HO brass steam locomotive collection. 😊
I would love to see a video like this but taking a look at the Chicago Northwestern’s 400 trains, well done!
2:28 And I thought the RWS illustration of Edward's Exploit was extreme with Edward wincing in pain as his frames were battered, as well as Knuckles' 8th episode in his Railways of Sodor series where Gordon's conjugated valve gear tore his frame.
I remember that episode
2:40 before his driver could check it, his crosshead overheated furiously. With a shrieking crack something broke and batter and framed his streamlining up and out of shape
this was my favorite vidoe ever about milwaukee road Hiawatha service thank you
As someone who lives in wisconsin this video was a nice history about the hiawatha
I loved it when AmtrakGuy365 said “It’s Milwaukee Road Time” and Milwaukee Roaded all over the place.
Great video as always!
42 years of my life working for the Milwaukee Road & CP ❤
Oh god the streamlined 4-6-0s are real
I was thinking the same thing...
The January 1944 issue of Trains had a discussion of the "super railroad" that the C.M.St.P.&P. was building, mostly through curve reduction and eliminating mainline switches. It included a speedometer tape from the Hiawatha running between Chicago and Milwaukee a few years earlier, most of the route was run at a steady 100 - 105 mph for an end-to-end speed of about 82 mph. After the war, railroads lost interest in improving passenger trains and timetables slowed, service declined. Today, the only way one could travel from Chicago to Milwaukee in 75 minutes is by private airplane.
Excellent! Wish it was longer.
Amtrak guy C&NW CB&Q and the Milwaukee road had streamlined steam that I love though my heart ♥️
Very epic video! As a Amtrakguy365 fan from 2016, I love it.
Actually the Hiawathas were allowed to operate at 100 Mph from the begining. That was specified on the Employee timetables. What was fairly commom were speeds slightly higher than that (management would turn a blind eye...), and there are reports of these trains reaching 120 Mph.
Today things are slightly different, and not better. Some sections have been single tracked. Speed is now a paltry 79 Mph. Amtrak trains are more than 2 hours slower. But the original Milwaukee main line has long sections of tangent track. There's hope that maybe one day 110 Mph or more might be possible, and travel times might finally be reduções.
Awesome video I like it also that's gonna leave a mark on Milwaukee road 102
The streamlined 4-6-0s got me dying 😂
They just look a lil goofy to me XD
Should seriously bring these old train back! My grandfather rode these!❤
The G class Hiawatha 4-6-0s were so goofy looking. I adore them.
The MILW was on the ball when designing the A’s. They certainly fit the Hiawatha name, being the first steamers designed to reach 100 mph on a daily basis. Timetables even show they and the F7’s had some of the tightest schedules of any steam locomotive, with averages in excess of 80 mph called for. Not even trains like the 20th Century Limited or Broadway Limited called for such averages, not even after WWII I don’t think
You should have used the infamous "The Milwaukee Road'' sound effect meme
The Hiawatha is awesome! I love it!
YES THANK YOU
Thank you for making this, I am a streamlined steam diehard, and I absolutely adore the Hiawathas. Do more streamlined (steam powered) train videos, and I’ll watch. (Do the Cincinnatian next) lol.
Where’s the Engines of Amtrak episodes?! Is it ended?! 😭😭😭
The conversion formula for km. to miles was used, instead of from miles to km. That's why it came out 49 km. instead of 127 km.
Great vid as always bro, love to learn about what you say. Keep it up
5:17 49km/h is pretty slow! I assume it was supposed to be 149km/h. Great video!
That was meant to be 127 km/h. I double checked and for whatever reason when I put in "79 mph to kmh" into Google, it gave me 79 km/h converted into 49 mph and I didn't think much of it while editing. Thanks for pointing that out!
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The Chicago & Northwestern
*T H E M I I W A U K E E R O A D*
Great footage!
I have been summoned by the lovable Milwaukee Road gods to see this video they don’t call me the Milwaukee Road Boi for nothing
As a milwaukee road fan this does intrege me A LOT
1:20 - 1:32 blud film that in a railroad crossing ( according to the Leslie horn)
THE Milwaukee Road
Greetings from Amtraks Vermonter. Your work is so well researched and presented. And kudos to someone as young as you are for using the term 'new fangled' (if there is term old fangled, that would be me) 😂 Great tribute to these great trains.
Hey is that the mario kart wii song toad's factory?
Now we're talking....Milwaukee Road rules! ✊🏻😍🥰😎
Oh, btw....I can't believe that you didn't mention Karl F. Nystrom in the video, as he was very much involved with the Hiawatha's and the Milwaukee Road....😉
Did you hear? The Milwaukee road is only a week away! Can you believe it? The Milwaukee road is just a week away. Hurray
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I have the Eire Built in HO scale and in Trainz. Just the one is HO scale is a New York Central System one while the one in Trainz is a Milwaukee Road Eire Built that I found off of the Download station. I’m glad that the Eire Built made it into this video.
You don't do the train's speed justice. It was required to run at 100mph or better on some stretches just to meet the normal schedule and had the fastest regular schedule of any steam train anywhere. It's generally accepted that the train maintained 112mph for 14 miles on a demonstration run before going into regular service, and probably reached its two mile a minute design speed on schedule setting runs.
2:40 “Horrors!” Cried 102! And shut his eyes
Luckily, no one was hurt, but 102's right side was badly damaged. "We can't repair you." said the crews, "So you'll have to be scrapped."
WE ALL LOVE MILWAKEE RAIL ROAD TRAINS
The Milwaukee road.
Amtrak should do a cool orange color scheme on those new Hiawathas instead of the boring silver and blue colors of every one of their trains
Both of my uncles worked for the Milwaukee road. Both "road masters" they never talked about the Hiawatha line.
Hiawathas were a classic train. They had a fast speed. Too bad none of the Hiawatha steam locomotives survive
I agree. I wish for the F7 hudson have survived as well, the F7 class were one of the fastest steam locomotives ever (only the A4 Mallard in UK is faster) which makes them the rival of the SP Daylight locomotives. Wish there will be a new build Milwaukee Road F7 just like the PRR T1 trust (though I would like the new build NYC Niagara, but I decide to let the new build NYC hudson to be built even though I to wait from 15 to 30 years).
The F-7 Hudsons were also GORGEOUS, aside from being fast. 🤗
Love this new series already! Could you do the Empire Builder next?
A steam engine with a horn, that's rare
I mean 4449 had one for a little time at some point
So the A class Atlantic’s had an air horn instead of a whistle but did the F7 Hudsons and the other steam locomotives have air horns as well or no
I know the F-7 Hudson had a horn after an upgrade.
"open the door and back the hiawatha into the backshop. Are we ready? ACTION"
*Hiawatha backs into the door and crashes*
"Elmer, could you wait until the door is COMPLETELY open before backing in?*
*Whistle blows 3 times understandingly*
from I love toy trains 8
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god the F7's are absolute beasts of streamliners I love their silhouette
Can you do the next video about the Broadway Limited train from New York, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh to Chicago before Amtrak replaced the route with Three Rivers train before it even discontinued?
In the mid 1960's, Canadian National purchased the Super Dome and Skytop lounge cars for CN's long distance trains.
Maybe some of them yes. Sold for money, of course. Some still in use, as private cars "excursion tour trains.". and also used on the Miwaukee road tracks, , what used to be the Great Northern Empire builder, trains now using the Milwaukee Road route, out west !Now A M Track .If that dont confuse you, what will? Canadian Pacific, or is it National , owns the Ill Central.
KILLIN it with the Mario Kart Wii music!!!!!😀😀😀😀😀
Question is, did it use the A125? You said it uses a Leslie horn, just tryna figure out which one.
Very cool and interesting engine! Great video! 👍🫡
Put your f****** hand down. You're ruining my joke.
Thank you for doing this!
In an earlier iconic time the fame and form of the original Twin Cities Hiawatha was spread far and wide outside its American Midwest home territory most profoundly by Joshua Lionel Cowan, president of Lionel Electric Trains. In 1935 Lionel introduced a fanciful but accurately decorated version of the A-1 powered Hiawatha which despite the Great Depression was a commercial hit with boys and their dads. In an age when rail passenger service linked the great population centers and small towns throughout the nation decidedly more than any other form of transportation, glamorous trains like the Hiawatha evoked fascination in the American public. Many of those beautiful Lionel Hiawatha models in the Milwaukee's dazzling color scheme and pulled by a heavy diecast rendition of the 4-4-0 American A-1 type locomotive survive to this day. They are very popular with toy train collectors. Modern reproductions with contemporary electronic computer-controlled operation and amazingly accurate engine sounds have sold well to this day in many scales and gauges. So even if the A-1 and F-7 Hiawatha prototypes were sadly not preserved for posterity, miniature versions can still bring us their look and sounds through the magic of model railroading!
i love how 30s locomotives sounded like boats