Tout est dit des le premier prélude d'une fluidité parfaite. Un très grand artiste qui peut tout jouer avec clarté, précision et une sensibilité exquise.
Good news for all Pollini enthusiasts! I have found in my archives the critical review of this concert that was published in issue number 80 of "Le Monde de la Musique". My memory was right: the title was "Pollini fait exploser Bach" (Pollini made Bach explode) and was signed by Jacques Drillon. For almost 40 years I felt great intrigue and envy to know what happened at that concert. Thanks to Johannes VabB that dreans has come true. The content of this highly interesting review is as follows: "On aurait pu croire que Bach n'était pas la tasse de thé de Maurizio Pollini. On aurait pu douter que son répertoire, qui va jusqu'à Boulez, pût remonter aussi loin dans l'histoire. Lorsque furent annoncés ses deux concerts aux Champs-Elysées (Piano ****), au cours desquels il devait jouer le premier livre du "Clavier bien tempéré" de Bach, la curiosité le disputait au scepticisme. El pourtant... Il fallut au moins cinq préludes el fugues pour s'habituer. Pour comprendre que, malgré tout, il s'agissait bien de Bach; pour admettre cette bizarrerie. Et encore! Plusieurs fois, assez souvent même, Pollini jouait autre chose que Bach. C'était du Beethoven, du Schumann, du Brahms. La hauteur et la longueur des notes ne font pas la musique. On ne peut nier qu'á Bach soient associés un certain esprit, une certaine sonorité. Certains accents, comme on dit "les accents de la passion" (...) Avec Pollini, le rivage où l'on aborde n'est pas celui de Bach. Il parle Bach avec un accent si Beethovénien que, parfois, l'accent l'emporte sur le sens. (...). Par exemple, les préludes. Ils sont, le plus souvent, et comme dans Chopin ou Rachmaninov, bâtis sur une cellule fixe qui se répète d'un bout à l'autre de la pièce. Pollini considère cette cellule non d'un point de vue de stricte musique, mais d'un point de vue dramatique. Et chaque prélude, il le tire entièrement d'un côté, il en fait un petit drame: il peint ici un paysage brumeux; là, il montre la terrible lutte de je ne sais quels géants mythiques. Là encore, c'est un orage, avec ses éclairs, ses fulgurances, ses accalmies. Là encore, c'est une grande méditation, d'où le corps est absent (et le sujet, vague). Les fugues se prêtent moins à ce jeu. Moins souvent. Il n'est pas rare d'en rencontrer qui soient absolument dénuées de tout contenu dramatique. Le contrepoint pur. Pollini construit de grandes arches, des cathédrales admirables de dénuement et de hauteur, de celles qu'on ne peut construire que dans les dernières pièces de Liszt ou les dernières sonates de Beethoven. (...) Le toucher est incroyable de beauté, le phrasé large et puissant. Surtout, ce qui frappe, cèst la conscience contrapuntique. Avec cette pédale, ce goût du fondu, on n'aurait rien d^entendre.El l'on entend tout. Pourquoi? Parce que, suggérait un auditeur, il entend tout, lui. Sans doute. Mais alors, comment expliquer qu'il ait pu aiguiser, au fil du concert, sa conscience, et non laisser sa fatigue l'entamer? Comment se fait-il qu'au bout de vingt-deux préludes et fugues, il ait réussi un si prodigieux "si bémol mineur"? Comment a-t-il pu se garder de toute défaillance? Mystère. Le plus mystérieux: comment sait-il allier le dépouillé à l'expressif?" As a lot of readers don't speak French, here I go with the English translation (enjoy!): "One might have believed that Bach was not Maurizio Pollini's cup of tea. One might have doubted that his repertoire, which goes all the way back to Boulez, could go back so far in history. When his two concerts at the Champs-Elysées (Piano ****), during which he was to play the first book of Bach's "Well-Tempered Clavier", curiosity competed with skepticism. Yet... It took at least five preludes and fugues to get used to it. To understand that, despite everything, it was indeed Bach; to admit this oddity. And again! Several times, quite often in fact, Pollini played something other than Bach. It was Beethoven, Schumann, Brahms. The pitch and length of notes do not make music. It cannot be denied that Bach is associated with a certain spirit, a certain sound. Certain accents, as they say “the accents of passion” (...) With Pollini, the shore we approach is not that of Bach. He speaks Bach with such a Beethovenian accent that sometimes the accent trumps the meaning. (...). For example, the preludes. They are, most often, and as in Chopin or Rachmaninov, built on a fixed cell which is repeated from one end of the piece to the other. Pollini considers this cell not from a strictly musical point of view, but from a dramatic point of view. And each prelude, he pulls it entirely from one side, he makes a little drama out of it: here he paints a foggy landscape; there, he shows the terrible struggle of I don't know what mythical giants. Here again, it is a storm, with its flashes, its calms. Here again, it is a great meditation, from which the body is absent (and the subject, vague). Fugues lend themselves less to this game. Less often. It is not uncommon to come across some that are absolutely devoid of any dramatic content. Pure counterpoint. Pollini builds great arches, admirable cathedrals of deprivation and height, of those that can only be built in the last pieces of Liszt or the last sonatas of Beethoven. (...) The touch is incredibly beautiful, the phrasing broad and powerful. Above all, what is striking is the contrapuntal consciousness. With this pedal, this taste of fading, we wouldn't hear anything. And we hear everything. For what? Because, as a listener suggested, he hears everything. Without a doubt. But then, how can we explain that he was able to sharpen his conscience over the course of the concert, and not let his fatigue wear him down? How is it that after twenty-two preludes and fugues, he achieved such a prodigious “B flat minor”? How was he able to avoid any failure? Mystery. The most mysterious: how does he know how to combine the simple with the expressive?
The critical review when he played this programme in Paris in 1985 made by the notorious french classical music magazine "Le Monde la Musique" was this: "Pollini fait exploser Bach". It's amazing that his performance in 1985 completely different to his recording in 2009. His performance in 1985 is simply incredible and not as restrained as the 2009 recording. In 1985 he certainly "made the piano explode". Thanks a lot, Maestro!
Il fraseggio e il suono esprimono una sensibilità prettamente italiana: un documento utilissimo per chi si avvicina allo studio di questa opera magnifica.
I have heard about his legendary bach wtc in 1985. And how lucky it is! finally this is on youtube! In fact, his 1980' bach wtc recording was on youtube(bad recording quality.. maybe someone recorded personally) but it deleted. So by searching 'pollini bach 1980', I always hoped to hear his early bach again. And thank you... To me, this version is much better than his later recording and This playing contains much more pianism of pollini.. something from modernism.
I think the DG recording is played more like an organ in a church, as you say, less sense of pianism, and less satisfying, distant sound. Much more beautiful sound in this hall. BTW several years ago I read he was adding book II to his repertoire. But I have never found evidence he performed it. Do you know if he did? Thanks
@@eddfdc Yes, interesting book 1 always garners more attention. I agree book 2 is even greater. I think also the partitas would have been perfectly suited to him. And Schubert impromptus. I always was eager to hear him play a recital like that. Especially to judge by his performances of Op142 #2.
The bucolic touch, tinged with melancholy of these laments causes an abysmal diving movement in my unconscious so that I end up feeling apathy before the problems of this world, not as an escape but as an exercise in self-knowledge 🕊
ho visto questo concerto a Bologna: fu una esperienza unica, con gli allievi di pianoforte che studiavano lo spartito. Fu un concerto con un silenzio da funzione religiosa, alla fine qualche minuto di silenzio e fragoroso è esploso l'applauso. Un concerto da cui si uscì appagati e quasi ubriachi come quando eseguiva le Diabelli. Intensità , tensione musicale alle stelle grazie di avermi dato la possibilità di rivivere queste emozioni.
Bravo, giustissimo. C'è quel senso di essere travolti dalla musica che dal vivo era la sua cifra (e la cifra di pochi altri grandissimi). Sublimi tutti i brani più lenti e meditativi (cosa sono il preludio in do diesis minore, quello in si minore, la fuga in mi bemolle minore, quella in fa minore!). I brani a carattere più brillante resi con travolgente facilità e con pedalizzazione pianistica, senza occhiuti filologismi. A ricordarci che Bach è stato anche un pezzo insostituibile della storia del pianoforte moderno.
What a great performance, with unbelievable philosophical depth, it is a pity that the sound quality is not at same level as the performance, is it a "pirate" recording ?
Sono stato allievo di Carlo Vidusso e mi diceva che anche lui non riusciva a spiegarsi "quella" memoria che era Mirandoliana, quasi inumana, un preludio era capace di studiarlo solo leggendolo e poi a libro chiuso lo eseguiva perfettamente, già a 14 anni, mentre aveva già studiato tutti gli studi di Chopin quasi allo stesso modo. Mah...misteri.
Esecuzione nitida, però li suona tutti e ventiquattro allo stesso modo, con un effetto un po' soporifero. Direi che tende a S.Richter senza averne il sovrumano controllo delle voci. Voto: 8
Sono sorpreso.non avevo mai ascoltato il Bach di Pollini che sempre strimpellava la melensa musica di Chopin....non è riuscito a suonare per noi il II libro del W T K. Perché? Comunque questa interpretazione mi piace assai.😮
@@francobosio7018 infatti non sono assolutamente in sintonia con Maurizio Pollini. Troppo Chopin , tanto comunista come Abbado con cui si rifiutò di suonare,su invito di Menhuin, per i morti dei Gulag sovietici...e invece rincoglioniva gli operai,quelli veri, con i "rumori molesti" di tale Nono Luigi...Como una ola de fuerza i luz....so perfettamente che Ars inimicum non habet ma....est modus in rebus.
All my respects to Pollini and his art, but I, endeed, fell this rendition rather monotomous and boring, lacking the unstoppable energy, the grace and the experience of the "unpredictable" and renewed so idiosyncratic in Bach's music...
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Tout est dit des le premier prélude d'une fluidité parfaite. Un très grand artiste qui peut tout jouer avec clarté, précision et une sensibilité exquise.
Good news for all Pollini enthusiasts! I have found in my archives the critical review of this concert that was published in issue number 80 of "Le Monde de la Musique". My memory was right: the title was "Pollini fait exploser Bach" (Pollini made Bach explode) and was signed by Jacques Drillon. For almost 40 years I felt great intrigue and envy to know what happened at that concert. Thanks to Johannes VabB that dreans has come true.
The content of this highly interesting review is as follows:
"On aurait pu croire que Bach n'était pas la tasse de thé de Maurizio Pollini. On aurait pu douter que son répertoire, qui va jusqu'à Boulez, pût remonter aussi loin dans l'histoire. Lorsque furent annoncés ses deux concerts aux Champs-Elysées (Piano ****), au cours desquels il devait jouer le premier livre du "Clavier bien tempéré" de Bach, la curiosité le disputait au scepticisme.
El pourtant...
Il fallut au moins cinq préludes el fugues pour s'habituer. Pour comprendre que, malgré tout, il s'agissait bien de Bach; pour admettre cette bizarrerie. Et encore! Plusieurs fois, assez souvent même, Pollini jouait autre chose que Bach. C'était du Beethoven, du Schumann, du Brahms. La hauteur et la longueur des notes ne font pas la musique. On ne peut nier qu'á Bach soient associés un certain esprit, une certaine sonorité. Certains accents, comme on dit "les accents de la passion" (...)
Avec Pollini, le rivage où l'on aborde n'est pas celui de Bach. Il parle Bach avec un accent si Beethovénien que, parfois, l'accent l'emporte sur le sens. (...).
Par exemple, les préludes. Ils sont, le plus souvent, et comme dans Chopin ou Rachmaninov, bâtis sur une cellule fixe qui se répète d'un bout à l'autre de la pièce. Pollini considère cette cellule non d'un point de vue de stricte musique, mais d'un point de vue dramatique. Et chaque prélude, il le tire entièrement d'un côté, il en fait un petit drame: il peint ici un paysage brumeux; là, il montre la terrible lutte de je ne sais quels géants mythiques. Là encore, c'est un orage, avec ses éclairs, ses fulgurances, ses accalmies. Là encore, c'est une grande méditation, d'où le corps est absent (et le sujet, vague).
Les fugues se prêtent moins à ce jeu. Moins souvent. Il n'est pas rare d'en rencontrer qui soient absolument dénuées de tout contenu dramatique. Le contrepoint pur. Pollini construit de grandes arches, des cathédrales admirables de dénuement et de hauteur, de celles qu'on ne peut construire que dans les dernières pièces de Liszt ou les dernières sonates de Beethoven. (...)
Le toucher est incroyable de beauté, le phrasé large et puissant. Surtout, ce qui frappe, cèst la conscience contrapuntique. Avec cette pédale, ce goût du fondu, on n'aurait rien d^entendre.El l'on entend tout. Pourquoi? Parce que, suggérait un auditeur, il entend tout, lui. Sans doute. Mais alors, comment expliquer qu'il ait pu aiguiser, au fil du concert, sa conscience, et non laisser sa fatigue l'entamer? Comment se fait-il qu'au bout de vingt-deux préludes et fugues, il ait réussi un si prodigieux "si bémol mineur"? Comment a-t-il pu se garder de toute défaillance? Mystère. Le plus mystérieux: comment sait-il allier le dépouillé à l'expressif?"
As a lot of readers don't speak French, here I go with the English translation (enjoy!):
"One might have believed that Bach was not Maurizio Pollini's cup of tea. One might have doubted that his repertoire, which goes all the way back to Boulez, could go back so far in history. When his two concerts at the Champs-Elysées (Piano ****), during which he was to play the first book of Bach's "Well-Tempered Clavier", curiosity competed with skepticism.
Yet...
It took at least five preludes and fugues to get used to it. To understand that, despite everything, it was indeed Bach; to admit this oddity. And again! Several times, quite often in fact, Pollini played something other than Bach. It was Beethoven, Schumann, Brahms. The pitch and length of notes do not make music. It cannot be denied that Bach is associated with a certain spirit, a certain sound. Certain accents, as they say “the accents of passion” (...)
With Pollini, the shore we approach is not that of Bach. He speaks Bach with such a Beethovenian accent that sometimes the accent trumps the meaning. (...).
For example, the preludes. They are, most often, and as in Chopin or Rachmaninov, built on a fixed cell which is repeated from one end of the piece to the other. Pollini considers this cell not from a strictly musical point of view, but from a dramatic point of view. And each prelude, he pulls it entirely from one side, he makes a little drama out of it: here he paints a foggy landscape; there, he shows the terrible struggle of I don't know what mythical giants. Here again, it is a storm, with its flashes, its calms. Here again, it is a great meditation, from which the body is absent (and the subject, vague).
Fugues lend themselves less to this game. Less often. It is not uncommon to come across some that are absolutely devoid of any dramatic content. Pure counterpoint. Pollini builds great arches, admirable cathedrals of deprivation and height, of those that can only be built in the last pieces of Liszt or the last sonatas of Beethoven. (...)
The touch is incredibly beautiful, the phrasing broad and powerful. Above all, what is striking is the contrapuntal consciousness. With this pedal, this taste of fading, we wouldn't hear anything. And we hear everything. For what? Because, as a listener suggested, he hears everything. Without a doubt. But then, how can we explain that he was able to sharpen his conscience over the course of the concert, and not let his fatigue wear him down? How is it that after twenty-two preludes and fugues, he achieved such a prodigious “B flat minor”? How was he able to avoid any failure? Mystery. The most mysterious: how does he know how to combine the simple with the expressive?
Thanks for that review ! It reflects perfectly what that extraordinary concert was
The critical review when he played this programme in Paris in 1985 made by the notorious french classical music magazine "Le Monde la Musique" was this: "Pollini fait exploser Bach". It's amazing that his performance in 1985 completely different to his recording in 2009. His performance in 1985 is simply incredible and not as restrained as the 2009 recording. In 1985 he certainly "made the piano explode". Thanks a lot, Maestro!
Cannot agree more!
And the people made their illnes explode😢
@@RHMB2004 Who was ill?
@@Piflaser so many coughing
Che genio!
Che esecuzione ed interpretazione straordinaria!
Importantissimo documento sonoro.
Il fraseggio e il suono esprimono una sensibilità prettamente italiana: un documento utilissimo per chi si avvicina allo studio di questa opera magnifica.
GRAZIE, Maestro. Una vita al servizio dell'Arte!
Thank you for these invaluable records
A forever monument to his memory, RIP Maestro Pollini!
Sempre GRANDE in tutto quel ha SUONATO e che ha fatto. È un grande dispiacere che sento pensando che non è più con noi!
Adesso son convinto definitivamente che col pianoforte Bach non solo non ci perde, ma anzi...
…accompanied by cough-concert(s)…Incroyable! Great JSB, great Maestro Pollini. RIP
I have heard about his legendary bach wtc in 1985. And how lucky it is! finally this is on youtube! In fact, his 1980' bach wtc recording was on youtube(bad recording quality.. maybe someone recorded personally) but it deleted. So by searching 'pollini bach 1980', I always hoped to hear his early bach again. And thank you... To me, this version is much better than his later recording and This playing contains much more pianism of pollini.. something from modernism.
I think the DG recording is played more like an organ in a church, as you say, less sense of pianism, and less satisfying, distant sound. Much more beautiful sound in this hall.
BTW several years ago I read he was adding book II to his repertoire. But I have never found evidence he performed it. Do you know if he did? Thanks
@@cchris874 As fas as I 've known, Pollini have not played btw book2. TT It's so sad. I love book 2 much more.
@@eddfdc
Yes, interesting book 1 always garners more attention. I agree book 2 is even greater. I think also the partitas would have been perfectly suited to him. And Schubert impromptus. I always was eager to hear him play a recital like that. Especially to judge by his performances of Op142 #2.
You are right. The official recording is more monochrome, less heartfelt, a little bit cold. After all, Pollini always gave his best live.
Concordo pienamente, le registrazioni successive, soprattutto l'ultima è veramente poco buona, non da grande Pollini come è sempre stato.
The bucolic touch, tinged with melancholy of these laments causes an abysmal diving movement in my unconscious so that I end up feeling apathy before the problems of this world, not as an escape but as an exercise in self-knowledge 🕊
Grazie per la pubblicazione di queste meraviglie! 🙏
Muchas gracias, descansa en paz en el Cielo😊😊
C'ero al concerto..
Anch'io 😉
@@JohannesB100 tale grandezza mi fa quasi svenire!!!!!!
@@JohannesB100 In che sala si tenne il concerto?
@@guidosarpero6263 Théâtre des Champs Élysées, il 28 poi il 30 di maggio
@@JohannesB100 Molte grazie
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Bellissimo!!
One can only regret that Pollini never recorded the II book of the "Bible".
Quite unique! Many thanks for posting.
Sublime! Magnificent!
Io ero al concerto di Torino al Regio di pochi giorni dopo. Dopo lunga attesa mi ha firmato il libro del Clavicembalo ben temperato!!!
ho visto questo concerto a Bologna: fu una esperienza unica, con gli allievi di pianoforte che studiavano lo spartito. Fu un concerto con un silenzio da funzione religiosa, alla fine qualche minuto di silenzio e fragoroso è esploso l'applauso. Un concerto da cui si uscì appagati e quasi ubriachi come quando eseguiva le Diabelli. Intensità , tensione musicale alle stelle grazie di avermi dato la possibilità di rivivere queste emozioni.
Lo ascoltai negli anni '80 al festival pianistico di Bergamo e l'esito fu lo stesso che hai descritto. Complimenti per questo video speciale.
Io a Milano, in febbraio. Questa esecuzione parigina è ancora più grande.
Come di consueto in concerto ancora più gigantesco
Bravo, giustissimo. C'è quel senso di essere travolti dalla musica che dal vivo era la sua cifra (e la cifra di pochi altri grandissimi). Sublimi tutti i brani più lenti e meditativi (cosa sono il preludio in do diesis minore, quello in si minore, la fuga in mi bemolle minore, quella in fa minore!). I brani a carattere più brillante resi con travolgente facilità e con pedalizzazione pianistica, senza occhiuti filologismi. A ricordarci che Bach è stato anche un pezzo insostituibile della storia del pianoforte moderno.
Thank You!😊
Lovely
Wie Baches- Wellen…. Immer frisch…
What a great performance, with unbelievable philosophical depth, it is a pity that the sound quality is not at same level as the performance, is it a "pirate" recording ?
Splendido! Esecuzione a memoria o con spartito?
era tutto a memoria !
Sono stato allievo di Carlo Vidusso e mi diceva che anche lui non riusciva a spiegarsi "quella" memoria che era Mirandoliana, quasi inumana, un preludio era capace di studiarlo solo leggendolo e poi a libro chiuso lo eseguiva perfettamente, già a 14 anni, mentre aveva già studiato tutti gli studi di Chopin quasi allo stesso modo. Mah...misteri.
grande Pollini ! Canticchia ;)
Brave 🎉
Did he ever play book 2?
Unfortunately no. It was reported that he was studying it but never performed it in public.
28:23 The double fugue received full fugal treatment, while most choose to rush through, simply beause it was marked as Prelude.😂
Esecuzione nitida, però li suona tutti e ventiquattro allo stesso modo, con un effetto un po' soporifero. Direi che tende a S.Richter senza averne il sovrumano controllo delle voci. Voto: 8
21:29 vs schiff can tell being serene vs vivid
To be honest: How can it be that people cough that much in a piano recital?
1:14:51
Grabación con ruidos. Pena!
Sono sorpreso.non avevo mai ascoltato il Bach di Pollini che sempre strimpellava la melensa musica di Chopin....non è riuscito a suonare per noi il II libro del W T K. Perché? Comunque questa interpretazione mi piace assai.😮
Se giudichi la musica di Chopin come “melensa” non sei davvero in sintonia con il grande Maestro Pollini
@@francobosio7018 infatti non sono assolutamente in sintonia con Maurizio Pollini. Troppo Chopin , tanto comunista come Abbado con cui si rifiutò di suonare,su invito di Menhuin, per i morti dei Gulag sovietici...e invece rincoglioniva gli operai,quelli veri, con i "rumori molesti" di tale Nono Luigi...Como una ola de fuerza i luz....so perfettamente che Ars inimicum non habet ma....est modus in rebus.
his playing style is very different from Gould's but his singing is not.
All my respects to Pollini and his art, but I, endeed, fell this rendition rather monotomous and boring, lacking the unstoppable energy, the grace and the experience of the "unpredictable" and renewed so idiosyncratic in Bach's music...
Che prezioso!!!!! Un tesero!!!!!