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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 ต.ค. 2010
- www.ted.com Product designer Eben Bayer reveals his recipe for a new, fungus-based packaging material that protects fragile stuff like furniture, plasma screens -- and the environment.
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They should really start broadcasting TEDtalks on tv.
mushrooms and fungus have all the properties needed to replace plastic in all of the careless ways we have inserted plastics and other poisonous, non-biodegradable, (engineered in a period of ignorance, and mostly unintentional irresponsibility. we had problems of storage, carriage, and resources, to which synthetic and nearly indestructible synthetics seemed to be the answer.) THis due is important, pro-active, and from what I can see, Completely on point in focus and feasibility. His head and heart are in exactly the right place. Please support.
Why the 17 dislikes? This discovery should be viewed as revolutionary, not to be shrugged off.
People will always hate. 39 likes*** lol 9 years later
Oh this is fantastic! Great invention.
Very interesting.. I'd be particularly curious to see price comparisons with current packing materials.
I live on the Korean South Coast and the immense oyster farming business here uses tens of thousands of Styrofoam buoys . The water pollution is is immense and horrific.
they are AMAZING and really easy to understand them !
Absolutely brilliant!
@0Honza hemp does not construct itself as mycelium does, though the combination would be of tremendous impact for sure.
@SuperiorApostate The mold is not disposed of after use.
Available now through a company called Sealed Air in the USA! Under the brand name Restore Mushroom Packaging.
very good. I'm happy they've done this
Simply... WONDERFUL!!!!
u r someone who watched recently, everyone watched 10 years ago.
@DWWEnganacious
Main polymer in fungi is chitin and I've heard about many of its application, including thin foil for food packaging and gel for wound dressing.
Awsome talk Eben, revolutionary!!!
@0Honza I might be wrong here but hemp in itself would require a devoted area for growing, where as this uses the waste from crops grown for another purpose, such as food, textile etc.. And yes I know hemp can be used for textile, and food as well.. ;)
excellent idea!
@DavidSabine
I've only seen it degrade mechanically, through the motions of the ground. If it's dispersed, it goes much quicker.
I always new Styrofoam was pure evil, making me shiver whenever it rubs against something, especially more Styrofoam. To the same extent I always new mushrooms were pure awesome, drugs, food, decomposes stuff, makes magical fairy rings among other magic things.
If implemented on a grand international scale, this product will have a colossal effect on the environment.
It's nice to see some innovation that doesn't require drilling a mile beneath the ocean.
It appears that 14 people work for the styrofoam industry. This is absolutely wonderful, amazing, beautiful. Having things like this guilt free is like being able to eat birthday cake every day and never get fat. Also, it's great science!
That's great... how come some people click on the dislike button? I'll never understand... Do they prefer plastic or what?
Good point, Daniel - But there could also be a "fear" that we often do things without really thinking it though and replace one bad thing with another. I have a personal theory about "fungus" and it's potential. I hope they think it through.
they do use plastic trays to make the things
@@Rebecca-fs2rg true
That polypropylene packaging materials don't biodegrade does give it a unique advantage that isn't readily apparent. It is extremely resistant to diseases and food stock for other organisms. Switching to organic packing materials such as shown above will solve one of our most important waste management issues, but it may introduce new problems by opening fertile niches for parasites, diseases, and bacterial contamination to exploit... potentially limiting it's use or posing a health threat.
@wallcolours where do u get this? i always thought it was big big factories.
I am curious if you have to dry this out? Mycelium is pretty wet. Also the mold? I guess if you dry it the mold stops right?
What happens when they break though? Isn't the facility using a large number of plastic containers? Is there any other material than can be used for the molding? Also,
Amazing idea.
23 people work for the oil companies...
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Awesome talk, I signed in just to give you 'thumbs up'!
@0Honza Cos the space hemp takes to grow is inefficient when there's already the issue of food shortages. Fungi can be grown in the dark.
Cool idea!
good work here
brillant! keep it up and see you tomorrow in The Hague, Eben! ;)
what are the moulds (tools) for the stuff made from? looks like ordinary plastic. how is the power to clean & chop the feedstock generated?
wow, this is great! this is part of the future
@kapgun8000 yeah but those plastic forms arent gonna be thrown away after one use.
@kapgun8000 Yes but overall you've reuced plastic use. One plastic mold can grow thousands of mycelium.
@Durchbrechen LOL - only foam I am regularly producing is yeast foam by the help of the said liquid called beer ... mainly Erdinger, btw ... ;-)
Awesome TED talk. Breaks the recent slump of mediocre lectures.
@kapa1611 He never said it would replace plastic, most plastic solutions now can be replaced by this more nature friendly solution.
@0Honza I know right. But growing hemp is illegal and mycelium is not. Hemp has thousands of applications however, it should be legalized.
Who needs schoolbooks when there is TED!
I wonder what is the cost comparison?
@justintempler The title is usually the author or presenter's own, since many of these presentations/speeches are also released in academic publications.
interesting video and very informative
@0Honza I suppose mushrooms are a good alternative as they can be grown without the need for light and hence inside from ceiling to roof filled with shelves.
This is amazing ! wow
Where can I get rice hulls? I live in Tokyo but don't have an easy means of leaving the city. Is there a place I can purchase in the city?
These would make great geodesic dome homes or structures (Bucky balls)
@winterstellar What island is this?
This is ingenious.
@TragedyZ
Ah, I was referring to the ring shaped growth patterns of mushrooms which were previously thought to be caused by fairies, hence the name fairy rings.
@mattghtpa yes of course, pasteurisation, microwaves, xrays, whatever - but there remains some risk if it is done millions of times in production locations. Same as sometimes the milk is not really pasteurised, but turns sour ... ;-) Means, of course, the idea is brilliant - but what about the risks? If such a mushroom mycelium as shown grows much faster than normal mushrooms - then it could be a selected, or even genetic manipulated kind of mushroom ... so what if it escapes from the box?
awesome!
That random person at the back who cheered on their own at the start is a legend.
@Phelan666 whenever U introduce something new, U may introduce additional risks. What I claim is simply, if we talk about plastic risks, we should talk also about mushroom risks. Styrofoam, PU and whatever else has risks, and advantages. Mushrooms have advantages, and risks.
Technology may be wanted to reduce risks in some cases. Mostly it creates new ones, and most of them unwanted.
Using mushrooms for packaging goods is new - but why not doing a risk analysis? Do U want 2 hide something?
@kapgun8000 Using plastic as a mold to make biodegradable packaging uses less plastic than making plastic packaging.
Pure Genius.
@bangalorebobbel Many years ago I've seen a horror movie like that :) Anyway, don't worry. Like yeast, every fungus or mushroom has its temperature that kills it. On their website they confirm their mushrooms are focking dead after the growing process ! Or are you a oil foam producer ? :)
a small thing but big step to save earth
@washaway Yes. You can eat paper, as well.
@axelasdf
You throw these out a lot? Its the stuff with a large throughput that you need to replace first.
@jappanpreeti He either is or very near it, that facility he has is not cheap that's for sure.
@smkymcnugget420 No, the purpose is making sure that highly disposable things are compostable, not to replace plastics.
Vile Jester agree with you hieco.in/2017/09/20/most-popular-eco-friendly-disposable-serving-plates-cups-and-cutlery-products-1/
This is very cool.
After getting out of the mold, wouldn't it grow continuously? X)
This is the future I want to be apart of.
@graphattic - Anything that can be made from a hydrocarbon can be made from hemp.
@holyscythe
I'd bet it's not cheaper because there aren't as many facilities prepped to mass produce them. If the two were equal in production capability, I'd think it'd be a different story.
@bangalorebobbel it's not going to be perfect, the question to consider is whether that risk is less than that of continuing the use of plastic?
@marcos562 It´s not a phone. He uses it to switch between slides...
love it
this rocks !!
@JohnWoo For sure
@0Honza really -- it's amazes me how every one forgets the use of Hemp for fuel and materials -- Ford used Hemp to make some of the first prototypes?
@kapgun8000
Who says? As far as I know, it could be cellulose-based plastic... all organic and composting.
@bangalorebobbel Once the production is finished the micelium gets killed with an high temperature process, something aking to pasteurization. In the end is not more dangerous than the pasteurizate beer you purchase at the supermarket, where its fungus (Saccharomyces cerevisiae) is deactivated.
@andresico2 yes that's true. But on other side, how to stop the use of plastic in a free world ... means, the risks will not become less, but always more ... ;-)
@Durchbrechen Interesting theory. How would you prove it? Or disprove it?
I'm only concerned about how applications in major plastics industries, that being chemicals, food, etc..
If the natural polymers can really replace polyethylene, polystyrene, etc..
Plastic has big boots to fill, but maybe Craig Venter can make some genetically engineered mycelium that can make this even more economically viable.
notice he never mentioned the cost...
So, it was 10 years? Where is it? Is it used in bigger scale? Or abandon because of price or other thing?
@kapgun8000
And they are using metal racks to store the products in. And they are using manual labor to do stuff that is more effectively done by robots. I would say that this is is a scaling up lab; if this reaches the industry we would see a lot of improvements.
I do however take your point -it is ironic.
@Durchbrechen does that go for today as well?
Very interesting material, yet, to manufacture parts in a large scale, it needs a lot of those moulds that are made of ... Plastic... Would still need to have an easy recyclable plastic for those to get a real sustainable business model.
I think this material is indeed the replacement for Styrofoam, but not for anything else.
+Vincent André Still, better to use the amount of plastic required for one mould than a thousand packages
It doesnt need to be specificly of plastic, man. It could be made of other material.
there's MycoWorks, they grow isolation, leather others make paper etc etc
It can be glass, you know? Plastic is just cheaper and easier to work with...
It can be glass, you know? Plastic is just cheaper and easier to work with...
And what do you do with all of the plastic mold containers that you use to make your bio-parts?
I guess the molds don't have to be made from harmful plastics. Molds (play on the word fungus) can be made of other things like wood etc. eh?
Even if you had to make one starter mold out of plastic, once you had that mold you could make other molds out of this material. One plastic mold vs millions isn't so bad
isn't there a (lung health) problem with fungus spores? Or do only the fruit (mushrooms) produce those
Whatever "natural" components are used with that mycelium, these materials are currently used for anything else, and You simply convert the current use to a new one. What may result in further problems which You won´t foresee now. 2nd challenge: the fungus itself is transported worldwide to any place - where it has maybe never been before, and You don´t know what problems it may create there - maybe similar catastrophe as rabbits in Australia, or new allergies,etc? Biorisks are unexpected ones.
the title says all: mushrooms the new plastic? I do not want to have a new plastic. Plastic has already too many risks and disadvantages - who wants to have new ones and more, if we still fight against the old ones? When plastic was invented, who talked about the risks and disadvantages? Who has known about, or did research about? - When buxbunny came to Australia, who considered any negative impacts of rabbits? When biodiesel was politically pushed - who considered today's agricultural markets?
@TheStrayCross It doesn't contain any spores, as it isn't allowed to produce fruitbodies. But yeah, the mycelium wil eat anything moist and organic near it. Could be easily killed by subjecting it to wet heat over 60 degrees C. Bleach or Alcohol will also kill fungus.
Speaker's presentation was a bit corny...reminded me of a high school report...the whole time he was discussing this I was curious...availability? Cost? More information about physical properties? His talk was very cursory in these regards...I have an application currently and would love to use this product but no information to enable my adopting its use was given.
@Durchbrechen yes I agree but the yeast grows only in some environments, under specified conditions ... but what about that fungus, who tells it will die out of the factory? This man tells You can use more or less everything where it will grow ... wood, straw, paper, plastic etc., it may glue everything ... maybe even my old socks, or the bamboo behind my house ... ;-)
15 plastic company CEOs have seen this video
@mattghtpa if U see how that mushroom is used as "glue" - who would like to have his garden "glued"? Just by any stupid mistake in any factory? Or: what basic material should be used for the mushroom? Bamboo, coconuts, gras etc.? After some time it gets rare, and the farmers start to grow it only for that mushroom purpose - and we have another biodiesel case ... And so on - why not considering the risks? For all industries risk analysis should be done - so also for so called "green" ones .. ;-)
That can be a good thing if you want things to last.
@HDvideosaregood I think he said a 10 % reduction (to 90%) won't cut it we should cut to using 1/10th (10%) :)
I'm a bit concerned. Everything says the major contributor to greenhosue emissions is farming, especially small scale farming. Encouraging that seems counterproductive...
@awesimo2000 Well the fact that it is biodegradable would deter people from using it as any kind of insulation or anything where it has to maintain it's structure for long periods of time.
@HDvideosaregood he means not reducing by 10%, but to 10% (which means cutting away 90%)...hope that helped! :)