@@cptant7610 It may be basic painting 101 to you, but there's a lot of folks who get into the hobby and don't get exposed to these sort of "foundational" techniques until after they're already confused by the "new hotness" techniques of the moment they see on youtube. It's always valuable to revisit the 101 skills of a hobby occasionally.
I have been known to use washes on contrast/speed paints. 3xample: I used thinned nuln oil on the bottom half and some of the deeper recesses of Mephiston's cloak
@@LylaMev Agree 100%. The contrast paints are one of the main reasons I moved away from GW paints. I don't like the gimmickiness of it all. I don't typically use a wash but certain models do benefit from it for sure. The random nature of it as well works well instead of low lighting it yourself, when it sometimes ends up looking too repetitive with your choice of low lights.
Another fun trick is you can spray a clear gloss coat after the base coats dry, and before you apply the wash. It helps the wash flow into the recesses better, especially if you thin the wash a little more with a damp brush. Multiple layers of varnish will darken the base coats, but if you're layering over them anyway, it's no big deal.
How you did this miniature is very much how I do miniatures these days: I use Contrast/Speed Paints to block in all the major details, and then use shades, layering, and dry-brushing to take it up a notch. I actually feel a lot better about my own painting seeing this two part look at one model. Thank you so much!
I took a break from mini painting from the early 2000s until this last year and missed the release of all these newfangled fancy paints. I never stopped using a base -> dry-brush highlight -> wash -> touch-up method. And undecorated bases are Goblin Green!
One of the most basic styles of base / shade / clean up still works best: base coat, dump wash for shading all over, then layer the raised and large flat areas with a thinned down pass of the base color again to restore vibrancy. The thing is, this is really easy! The thinned final layer of the base color acts like a translucent glaze. You don't have to be too neat with it. The edges naturally fade away into the darkened recesses holding the shading from the wash. It doesn't take a lot of time. And you end up with a rich and clean looking final effect. It's just a bit odd to me that more people don't rely on this simple method. I find it is pretty easy to overthink painting techniques.
Thank you for this video. This video just earned you a new Subscriber, bc I actually learned a few things I was doing wrong in my painting. Thank you. :) *Bro-Hugs*
Painting techniques are tools. So right tool for the job. I will say their marketing has worked and many think contrast or contrast like paints are a "one stop shop" for all your painting needs but the reality is they are a good first step. Especially for beginning to mid level painters. I find I like contrast for the bulk items on a mini , what ever is the most prevalent on the model (armor, fur, skin etc.. ) going in back in with reg paint for the highlights and likely a thinned all over wash to unify the paint scheme. That cant be said enough about washes. Its almost magic like abilities to bring it all together. I find it difficult to consider my mini being complete with out it, whether it's a oil wash or acrylic. That might be a good focus for a next video for you if you wanted to hightlight shading and washing more. That "unifying" ability even if its a thinned and barely perceptable wash, is worth bringing back to the forefront. Also when to varnish then wash vs just wash. Great video as always !! One of the best in the biz.
Have you checked any of the Warhipster’s Contrast+ videos? It’s pretty much using Contrast and Shades (with some magic of his) to make the base coat and shadows, then adding up layers and highlights to complete the job.
I'm a new painter in the hobby. I started early in January and when I found how useful shades paints and washes could be I really had to wonder why the other folks in the game stores near me weren't using them. Their loss I guess.
Yep, dunking everything in a wash, and layering absolutely everything to rebuild a midtone is madness. Basetoning light, letting the wash give you the midtone, and then glazing shadows and highlights is far more efficient when aiming for Tabletop plus.
I just saw a vid where she was saying that you know you’re a good painter when you DON’T use speedpaints or washes. I say it’s good to know several techniques and use whichever you’re in the mood for. It keeps our hobby from becoming mundane. 🙂
My 2c. The paint job is awesome, but the fangs look long enough that there is something you could try to make them a little more realistic. Stipple some tan on the fangs by the gum line, and then paint the tip a bright white (I'm not sure but it looks like you've done that already). If you try this, let us know how it worked out for you.
If you have the patience and skill, this will for sure make for better looking models. But Contrasts and speedpaints are the only reason I even have painted models. I like playing the games, not the extended hobbying before that.
I still don't like washes except for things like fur, dirt and for mechanical objects that need to look oiled or dirty. It's always too clear they're washes and they never do exactly what you want. (in this case the paws especially irk my sensibilities, it just looks like... wash, nothing natural about it). Though for fast army results I can stand behind it as it's very economical in time vs quality. If I use them i thin them down enormously usually, because I simply don't like the wash look and use it more like an even thinner glaze). PS been using the work towards the highlight stroke for ages, it's almost magical and requires me to rarely thin to glaze consistency for a similar effect in one, maybe two strokes :) Acrylic medium is the key there as it keeps the paints feel (so not watery) while slightly lowering the opacity to enhance this effect
Dear Lyla, I am a long term lurker, but I was so impressed with your workmanship I had to comment! Thank you for sharing your tutorial, it was very inspirational. Best Wishes Johnny
For me contrast paints are like race against time and I don't like it. With washes you have to work quite fast also but it's more manageable and for me - more fun.
Is there a specific reason why you used so much of the shade? It pooled heavily in the recesses and made for stark value jumps between the shadows and subsequential highlights. This makes it looks splotchy and unnatural. I'd thin down the shade 1:1 and not load the brush up as much to have more control.
How is this "classic" or "old"? washing and layering are basic painting techniques. Basically all my models use army painter strong or dark tone on at least some areas.
@@LonelyGamer4 Is that actually true though. If I search for "Paint first space marine" in youtube of the first 5 results only 1 mentioned speedpaints as an option besides regular acrylics.
@@LonelyGamer4 Is that actually true though? I searched for "Paint first space marine" and of the top 5 results only 1 mentioned contrast paint as an alternative option.
Just because a technique is old, doesn't mean it's bad. Great job grabbing an oldie but a goldie and highlighting it again!
I hope washes make more of a come back, I like them so much more than contrast paint!
How is washing "old", it's basic painting 101.
@@cptant7610 It may be basic painting 101 to you, but there's a lot of folks who get into the hobby and don't get exposed to these sort of "foundational" techniques until after they're already confused by the "new hotness" techniques of the moment they see on youtube. It's always valuable to revisit the 101 skills of a hobby occasionally.
I have been known to use washes on contrast/speed paints. 3xample: I used thinned nuln oil on the bottom half and some of the deeper recesses of Mephiston's cloak
@@LylaMev Agree 100%. The contrast paints are one of the main reasons I moved away from GW paints. I don't like the gimmickiness of it all. I don't typically use a wash but certain models do benefit from it for sure. The random nature of it as well works well instead of low lighting it yourself, when it sometimes ends up looking too repetitive with your choice of low lights.
That black paint on the fur took the paintjob from good to great. THIS is why I like watching these videos. Very cool.
I never forgot. I never stopped.
Thanks for doing this classic cover, Lyla. It's a great tutorial for everyone.
Another fun trick is you can spray a clear gloss coat after the base coats dry, and before you apply the wash. It helps the wash flow into the recesses better, especially if you thin the wash a little more with a damp brush. Multiple layers of varnish will darken the base coats, but if you're layering over them anyway, it's no big deal.
That is something I have been meaning to test, thank you for reminding me! some people SWEAR by it, but I'm not sure I've ever noticed a difference!
Great reminder of the basics, thanks!
How you did this miniature is very much how I do miniatures these days: I use Contrast/Speed Paints to block in all the major details, and then use shades, layering, and dry-brushing to take it up a notch. I actually feel a lot better about my own painting seeing this two part look at one model. Thank you so much!
Great video to bring people back to classic techniques!
Thank you so much! I was surprised at how much I enjoyed using washes- it has been a while!
inspirational video as always. Thanks for the time you take to make these
Thanks for your comment!
This is some good foundational technique. Thank you for demonstrating this process!
A hint of purple wash in bronze metallics is a nice little bit of color variance. ♥
👍👍 this is pretty much how I paint now, washing in the shadows and then pushing up the highlights. Also, Zenithal Cat b roll is best b roll 👍😄
Good shit, Lyla! Definitely looking forward to applying this approach on my own Gnawlord!
I took a break from mini painting from the early 2000s until this last year and missed the release of all these newfangled fancy paints. I never stopped using a base -> dry-brush highlight -> wash -> touch-up method. And undecorated bases are Goblin Green!
Great video
I love your content, Lyla!
Thank you so much! it means a lot to me to hear that!
This was a great video...thanks for this.
The extra shade and contrast gave the Skaven more details on its fur. The tail turn out well.
So much better. Love it
"Bullseye" and "tiny disgusting mountain range" are maybe the best explanations I've ever heard! 😂
Amazing work as always Lyla, stuff like this is the reason you're my favourite TH-cam painter.
It means a lot!
One of the most basic styles of base / shade / clean up still works best: base coat, dump wash for shading all over, then layer the raised and large flat areas with a thinned down pass of the base color again to restore vibrancy.
The thing is, this is really easy! The thinned final layer of the base color acts like a translucent glaze. You don't have to be too neat with it. The edges naturally fade away into the darkened recesses holding the shading from the wash. It doesn't take a lot of time. And you end up with a rich and clean looking final effect.
It's just a bit odd to me that more people don't rely on this simple method. I find it is pretty easy to overthink painting techniques.
Thank you for this video. This video just earned you a new Subscriber, bc I actually learned a few things I was doing wrong in my painting. Thank you. :) *Bro-Hugs*
Basecoat, wash, layer and and highlight was my first speedpainting project. 30 minutes for a miniature for the whole Project Z range.
This technique rules so much. It's simplicity makes painting much less intimidating
Painting techniques are tools. So right tool for the job. I will say their marketing has worked and many think contrast or contrast like paints are a "one stop shop" for all your painting needs but the reality is they are a good first step. Especially for beginning to mid level painters. I find I like contrast for the bulk items on a mini , what ever is the most prevalent on the model (armor, fur, skin etc.. ) going in back in with reg paint for the highlights and likely a thinned all over wash to unify the paint scheme.
That cant be said enough about washes. Its almost magic like abilities to bring it all together. I find it difficult to consider my mini being complete with out it, whether it's a oil wash or acrylic.
That might be a good focus for a next video for you if you wanted to hightlight shading and washing more. That "unifying" ability even if its a thinned and barely perceptable wash, is worth bringing back to the forefront.
Also when to varnish then wash vs just wash.
Great video as always !! One of the best in the biz.
Have you checked any of the Warhipster’s Contrast+ videos? It’s pretty much using Contrast and Shades (with some magic of his) to make the base coat and shadows, then adding up layers and highlights to complete the job.
Ah yes, the good old pattern: base coat - "It sucks!". Agrax Earthshade - "OMG are you an artist?!"
I'm a new painter in the hobby. I started early in January and when I found how useful shades paints and washes could be I really had to wonder why the other folks in the game stores near me weren't using them.
Their loss I guess.
Yep, dunking everything in a wash, and layering absolutely everything to rebuild a midtone is madness. Basetoning light, letting the wash give you the midtone, and then glazing shadows and highlights is far more efficient when aiming for Tabletop plus.
I just saw a vid where she was saying that you know you’re a good painter when you DON’T use speedpaints or washes. I say it’s good to know several techniques and use whichever you’re in the mood for. It keeps our hobby from becoming mundane. 🙂
NICE
Thank you!
still using my citadel washes from 2015
I've been painting less than 5 years and this is the only method I know lol
What primer do you use on your minis
My 2c. The paint job is awesome, but the fangs look long enough that there is something you could try to make them a little more realistic. Stipple some tan on the fangs by the gum line, and then paint the tip a bright white (I'm not sure but it looks like you've done that already). If you try this, let us know how it worked out for you.
If you have the patience and skill, this will for sure make for better looking models. But Contrasts and speedpaints are the only reason I even have painted models. I like playing the games, not the extended hobbying before that.
I still don't like washes except for things like fur, dirt and for mechanical objects that need to look oiled or dirty. It's always too clear they're washes and they never do exactly what you want. (in this case the paws especially irk my sensibilities, it just looks like... wash, nothing natural about it).
Though for fast army results I can stand behind it as it's very economical in time vs quality. If I use them i thin them down enormously usually, because I simply don't like the wash look and use it more like an even thinner glaze).
PS been using the work towards the highlight stroke for ages, it's almost magical and requires me to rarely thin to glaze consistency for a similar effect in one, maybe two strokes :) Acrylic medium is the key there as it keeps the paints feel (so not watery) while slightly lowering the opacity to enhance this effect
new video. i see. i comment.
thank you!
Dear Lyla, I am a long term lurker, but I was so impressed with your workmanship I had to comment! Thank you for sharing your tutorial, it was very inspirational. Best Wishes Johnny
For me contrast paints are like race against time and I don't like it. With washes you have to work quite fast also but it's more manageable and for me - more fun.
Yes hello, I'm here for the Anthoninan camo shade tutorial, can you guide me to it?
Darn! I'm not first. I still liked the video!
Next time!
Is there a specific reason why you used so much of the shade? It pooled heavily in the recesses and made for stark value jumps between the shadows and subsequential highlights. This makes it looks splotchy and unnatural. I'd thin down the shade 1:1 and not load the brush up as much to have more control.
There is nothing wrong with old, right? right?
Heres why it works. it didnt change and it still the same.
How is this "classic" or "old"? washing and layering are basic painting techniques. Basically all my models use army painter strong or dark tone on at least some areas.
Most miniature painting tutorials that aren’t aimed at display level painting are primarily done with contrast paints nowadays 🤷♂️
@@LonelyGamer4 Is that actually true though. If I search for "Paint first space marine" in youtube of the first 5 results only 1 mentioned speedpaints as an option besides regular acrylics.
@@LonelyGamer4 Is that actually true though? I searched for "Paint first space marine" and of the top 5 results only 1 mentioned contrast paint as an alternative option.
That's extremely disgusting looking. Great job.
Do you have any Jesus Shirts?😅