@@vladimir9983 His last role was a random shouting priest in an episode of 'Father Ted' although apart from Star Wars he was best known for 'The Land that Time Forgot' MST3K even put in a nice Jabba line when they riffed the film.
@@tobaliciousholland12 For sure, but the guys asked him if he was a hustler. After watching him perform pool magic tricks before asking if they wanted action, they wouldn't have been hustled as much as throwing their money away.
stclairstclair it’s a curse if I see it I have to watch it. I say no but the hand clicks the remote anyway no way to count how many times I have seen this movie.
@@seankock7649 Chaos theory certainly plays a role, especially in a game of pool. Even in the exact same circumstances, it would be close to impossible to create the same game. Try it out with a single shot. Place two balls in the exact same place and shoot to hit one. Repeat it and repeat it and repeat it and you will see that not once, not once, not even after thousands of times, will the shot be exactly the same as a previous one. It almost physically impossible.
@@arcticwolf9332 What if robotic precision was in action? Having the power to rewind time means there is no chaos, one would know the outcome. Human flaw makes you correct but controlled robotics would crush your Choas theory.
Decent scene, but I think the reason it didn't make the cut was because the "Jeopardy" scene made the point even more clear, was funnier, and was much quicker.
As much as I like pool, the film was just fine without this scene. I'm glad that I got to watch over 2 minutes of this lost scene :) Thank for posting.
@Crimson Yes, but we get the same information when he's giving the Jeopardy answers, and we see him improving at something over time with the piano lessons. This scene doesn't provide anything to the story that isn't covered better elsewhere.
Looked out of place. Too long to set up properly with no payoff. (With the piano lesson you see his improvement). And it had nothing to do with becoming a better person.
I like this scene, it makes sense that Phil would kill time by constantly playing pool, also I like how Phil says he's seen those guys every day even though they've never seen him, like he's daring them to figure out what he is but he knows it's beyond them. And Murray's performance conveys how he's come to see this town as a prison.
" And Murray's performance conveys how he's come to see this town as a prison." That's what could have gotten this into the movie - add this to a despair sequence.
@@jefflittle8913 Murray wanted the movie to be much darker and philosophical and Ramis wanted it lighter. The conflict over it caused a rift in their relationship for about 20 years.
I could definitely imagine him playing pool over and over with no one ever interacting with him in the slightest, until on one day he happens to be just good enough that these guys walk up and talk to him. He'd probably jump for joy simply by seeing something change... and then quickly grow bored of it because now that he's so good at pool he can't help BUT trigger the conversation. He's clearly spoken these exact words with them many times over, and it's implied that he memorized those basketball statistics BECAUSE they asked him to bet on them. The first time they said "Basketball" he probably replied "Okay. Same time tomorrow, we'll talk basketball" and spent the next few days/weeks memorizing that day's basketball stats Biff Tannen style.
I actually think this scene was designed to fill two roles at once. It both shows how much time has passed for him and indicates that at this point in the story he DOES NOT care about growth or even doing well on this particular cycle. The implication is that he HAS hustled these people properly before, and indeed has probably figured out that they bet on baketball before and fleeced them there (this time he chased them off by quoting specific outcomes for multiple games, indicating he has some inside track on sports and scaring them off. The goal here was really showing his apathy as much as his competancy. And while things like the jeopardy scene or piano lessons showed learning, things like the drunk driving scene, the suicidal chase scene with the groundhog, and the string of suicides showed his moments of despair. This does tie both concepts together well...but the tone is different. Its less sardonic humor and more pure vitriol. This scene shows Bill's character as having fallen to not only being in despair, but bitter and mean spirited about his situation. That, I believe more than anything, is why they cut the scene.
tnerb tnerb it feels complicated enough for late in the film but amoral enough for early. Structurally, I imagine it only could fit just before the depression sets in, but it isn’t dark enough for that
I love your theory over most others in the comments. I don't think the implication that he's hustled them before is necessarily everything, and I don't think this scene has to be about despair. Consider the following: This scene shows Phil improving: he has mastered pool. He is not hustling (faking poor skill and then playing good when money is on the line). I had initially figured he was just bored and had spent so much time watching sports (Knowing him, probably to distract himself) while he played pool. Thinking more, it's possible that they had fucked with (hustled) HIM on previous days: they look at eachother after seeing what he pulled off and suddenly don't want to play. They're in a POOL HALL. Phil's playing at a master level, which indicates years of practice. Years. Think about what could happen between Phil and those 2 in YEARS. He probably did this yesterday. And the day before. He probably did this for a week... Or maybe, he's so apathetic and rattling the facts off because he JUST wants to play pool and this is the easiest way to get those 2 hustlers to piss off. This scene doesn't have to be all bad.
@@logicphile6207 Also very possible. There's no real way to know what's going through his mind in this scene (without more context its impossible). But between the mean spirited vibe that seems to cut through the scene and the fact that it adds little to the narrative...you can see why, good scene or not, they ultimately cut it.
Why would he hustle? He doesn't need money. When he goes to bed at night, he wakes up reset, with the same money he had the morning before. Unless he could spend the money immediately it's pointless and I'm sure he'd have much quicker ways to get a nice sum of money if that's the case. He probably has gone inside all homes, knows where their cash is, when the owners are out, etc. Doesn't take an hour of pool including setting the hustle up to make some cash.
@@redavatar Well he does demonstrate a need for quick cash to get some things done in the limited time he has for the day, but he already found a much simpler solution: swiping a carelessly ignored bag of money off an armored car (watch the scene, its great). No you're right, the only reason to hustle here would be out of sport or boredom...more indications of him becoming more bored, depressed, and jaded. Probably too jaded for the scene to stay.
The thing I felt sadly got left out by not including this scene, was the fact that as he said "I've played here for Months." and how exceptionally skilled he is, as it really puts into perspective, how long he actually spent in that loop.
one thing thats fun to think about is he probably killed all the people in that town, constantly multiple loops in multiple ways cause there is no consequence just like how we do in games when we can go back to another save
I believe the original script called for a scene where he goes to the library, takes a book off the shelf, and reads one page. Then you would see him (via fades) go through that book, one page a day. And then the whole library aisle. Basically the original idea is that he's stuck in there for hundreds of years. Maybe a little too dark? It certainly explains the suicide attempts.
Sonam Adinolf something like that. It was the library at the bed and breakfast (in the film, there are shelves in the dining room, but they didn’t end up using Phil’s ‘calendar’) He estimates that they would last him 20-30 years and then he would celebrate his ‘birthday’ and he claims to be 263 years old. I. He second revision of the script by ramis Phil tells Rita he has been waiting for her for ten thousand years, but that could be taken as hyperbole rather than a literal count-and ramis himself suggested that Phil was in the loop for 30-40 years
@@robertegblack . That's absolutely intriguing and hideous. But wouldn't he have gone totally insane after about a year? (I've done certain jobs for a couple of months and thought I'd die of it!)
I read something like that, too. For all the skills he developed (pool, piano, trivia) he probably was reliving the same day for over 30 years. It freaked me out!
@NinjaRider777R No way did he become proficient at piano, ice sculpting, pool, medicine, etc. in 10 years. Ramis was right 30-40 years is more like it.
@NinjaRider777R Yeah Ramis did saw that, then he reflected on the script and the realities of life and said it was 30-40. I don't think I would care to do anything from 6 am to midnight or later, 7 days a week, for 10 years straight. Even living in groundhog day hell that would be a little much.
Does anyone else think that Phil, in what was almost certainly decades, if not centuries within the loop, did venture outside Punxsatawney after a while? After all, the blizzard only came that afternoon. If he jumped out of bed at 6AM, grabbed some clothes, and used what cash/resources/stealing abilities he had to pay his way to the airport, he could jet his way to literally anywhere in the world, having several hours to use having fun, meeting people, learning languages and cultures, having any number of adventures that freed him from the monotony of that small town from time to time.
Cool, thanks! I'm going to check out your site. I had some theories a while back, having to do with the colors and things visible in the background (like the red, blue and yellow flags during the Ned scene), but can't remember what they were. Also wanna point out the tree-falling kid is in the hospital with a broken leg when Phil is there asking about the old man. Finally, why does Fred take Debbie's last name? Phil introduces them in the diner as Debbie Kleiser and her fiancee Fred, but at the dance, introduces them as Fred and Debbie Kleiser. Maybe they had the same last name, like the Roosevelts? Maybe it was Ramis' commentary on incest in small-town Pennsylvania??? There really needs to be a full-length documentary on this film, like "Room 237" was for The Shining. :)
Great scene but that is not a hustler! A hustler plays poorly at first for small money until others believe he sucks, then the big money is put down, at that point he plays to his ability and wins!
there are other ways to hustle but none of them is playing like you're God, otherwise how would you sucker someone to put up their own money to play you?
I think an interesting sequel would be, old Phil revisits the town (with his wife of many years), and comes across an erratic individual who is now stuck in the loop. The movie is from the point of view of the new looper who must reveal to Phil everyday what is happening and how Phil and his wife try to help.
@@porc1429 Part way through the film, they come upon a discovery that might bring Phil into the loop, in order to stop it together. He knows what the risks are, but courageously bids goodbye to his non-looping wife and begins looping with the individual. Phil's willingness to sacrifice his timeline to save the looper breaks the spell for both of them. Needlessly convoluted plot twist: Though Phil and the original looper are stuck in a time loop, Phil has his own loop. He must re-explain to the other looper each day that he's a fellow looper now.
@@robb233 I enjoyed the movie, but what if there was a remake and instead of the main actor just ‘being a dick’ he was a bad bad man, rapists, serial killer, thief, murderer etc.
I'm not a big movie goer but I randomly came across this movie one evening while I lived in Korea. It was broadcast on a Japanese TV station in Korea, in English, with Japanese subtitles. I'd heard about the movie years ago and thought I'd watch it and if it turned out boring I'd switch the channel. Turns out.. it was/is definitely my kind of movie. Definitely one of my favorites of all time.
Most people are saying they should have deleted it because it doesn't fit with the movie, but I disagree. It doesn't fit because it's unedited. There's no sound mixing, no music, no detailed cuts, just rolling cameras and dialogue. I bet if it were put in, it would be seamless
no people realize its uncut material.. it would've been fine in the movie of course. However it was matched with a better idea with the jeopardy scene which gets to the point quicker and snappier. This one has no pay off at the end unlike the jepordy scene where he is proven to be correct almost instantly.
That was an awesome scene. It really also helps enforce just how many loops he lived through, which according to Harold Ramis was way, way more than you'd have guessed from what the movie shows.
The funny thing is, pool is a game where it doesn't matter if you keep replaying the day over and over. Every single game will be different. Obviously he will get better the more he plays, but he won't know each shot before they happen, like he does with everything else.
After a few thousand times playing the same practice pool game, wouldn't his shots be the same after a while? There was no opponent to create a random ball placement. It's all him.
@@jeffgreen3376 No, because it's an action that can't be exactly replicated. If it could, then every single professional pool player, would have the same game every single time. Now there are ways to make it as close as possible though. For example, if every game that he played, his opponent racked the balls and he only played one game a day, at the exact same time. That would get the same rack. He would also have to have his opponent break every time, as that is the shot that would change the most. But even by doing so, the game would still be different later on. As muscle memory is almost impossible to replicate exactly. But with him not having an opponent, every single game would be different
@@alexh8613 I think you're reading too much into it. First of all, it's just a movie and it can't really happen. Second of all, it's just a movie and it can't really happen. Third of all .... lol
@@jeffgreen3376 From a character development standpoint, it makes sense that he would play pool. In a world where he knows the outcome of every single event, he would play a game that would have a different outcome every single time
Not a great scene, but it conveys that Phil was trapped in his nightmare for a VERY long time. It makes his numerous suicides seem a lot more reasonable.
I see why the scene got deleted, it doesn't really fit the rest of the movie, but it's still a cool little thing to see Phil using his powers like this xD
Unessacery as this scene is to the movie, it does give you a good idea as to how many times Phil has been re-living the same day since it would take almost an entire lifetime to be this good at pool.
Not at all, I was at least this good and it only took me 2-3 years, it is all a matter of dedication to your craft and how hard you work at it, and how much time you are willing to put into it. So, 2-3 years, 7 days a week, 14-16 hours a day, simple.
It's the kind of scene that's easily cut. It's quite self-contained, which means it doesn't do much to drive the story forward. All it would have done is add a little more to the audience's awareness of how long Phil has been stuck in the loop. It would have been difficult for Harold Ramis, and one would imagine also Bill Murray, to convey, in 100 minutes, without spoonfeeding the audience with captions or other conceits, just how long it takes for Phil to break the cycle. Given all of the things Phil learns to do, as well as the effect it has on his mental health, he would have been reliving the day for decades.
Imagine being a nobody actor, barely more than an extra, but you get to do a scene with Bill Murray. You're very excited about it, and you take your special girl to see the movie and your moment of glory, just to find out that your scene was cut.
It wouldn't work because in his last loop, he was doing everything for others instead of for himself. It was his being selfish and narcissistic that kept him in the repeating cycle.
SubtleInsanity Unfortunately, as it stood at the film's end, he's probably in lifelong debt due to all the unnecessary insurance he bought from Needlenose Ned.
In the Italian remake, Filippo buys a bunch of pigs at an auction to impress Rita, but that turns out to be the last day of the time loop so the next morning he has a herd of pigs. Gotta be careful in a time loop, as you never know when it will end
A few years back I was working from home on Groundhog Day and a local station was doing a Groundhog Day marathon, so I saw the movie end-to-end like 6 times in a row.
Why are half the comments saying he's not using "hustler" correctly? The man is clearly demonstrating every skill a professional pool hustler would need. Just because he's not hustling them at that exact moment doesn't make it a bad guess. In fact, he probably did hustle them hundreds of times. If anything this guy's guess it too good.
You have NO concept of what a hustle is. If you demonstrate the fact you're an awesome player then it's IMPOSSIBLE to hustle anyone in the room because they know you're good. In order to hustle someone you HIDE your abilities until you get them to bet what you want and then THEN you use your skills. Even then if you go from shitty to awesome in the snap of a finger you'll only be able to hustle them once. Anyone else that saw you clean up knows you hustled them and they are not fall for it. You can't "hustle: the same person a hundred time because they know you can beat them so at that point you're simply outplaying them time and time again.[
@Tim Allen….absolutely right, you just want to barely win so your opponent thinks you were lucky and then they play you again. Fat's showing his skills were slipping would be part of the hustle if he could still pot those balls like he ever did :)
This is a scene that would have worked in a less optimistic cut. Total stranger comes in, is better than you at everything, seems to be able to see the future, knows you inside and out - and is weirdly unhappy about it, like he doesn't WANT to be any of that but is resigned to it.
This is a movie that should have been made a 6 hour long episode tv show. Too bad. We could have had so much more. Could have had the depressing Groundhog Day we deserved.
I loved that they kept the piano scenes. It is realistic that someone would improve in piano by practicing everyday. I tell retiring people at my work to take up piano now that they have 8 hours of free time every day they didn't have before.
i started playing at 28 when a customer gave me an old piano they didn't want anymore, and loved it, i learned moonlight sonata note by note, just commited it to muscle memory. so i can play it for people and they think im really talented, i'm not, but it's fun to let them believe it. i would encourage anyone to learn piano, nothing has ever helped me to escape "the now" like playing the piano.
@@RazaXML They were just showing the comedic and ironic effect of someone taking too much credit for very little effort. The entire final day scene was sorta like that and even Phil acts in a like manner at points.
It would fit the movie better if he ran them at pool, won all the sports bets, and ended up killed and thrown in the dumpster outback, then waking up in bed again.
As incredible as this movie is, it would really strain credulity to find two men in Punxatawney who would be willing to murder a man over losing a bet. Now if this were Philly, that's another story...
It's never specified in the movie how many times he experienced the same day, but it's implied to be in the thousands. He had literally _years_ to practice pretty much anything he wanted.
Somebody did some maths and estimated he repeated the day for something like 47 years in order to learn everything that he did. Might be off but it would have been a while
One is a friend of mine named Kurt Naebig. Remember he said that Bill would always adlib his lines. When he found out he didn't make it he received a clip of this and was very understanding and quite happy. Bill is a legend and Kurt has done other parts in movies and plays and has been doing this for since he was young. Funny this popped up on my timeline and want to say thanks so much for sharing.
The one big thing this scene did add to the film was an idea of how much time he spent just playing pool , months, more like years from the way he was playing and how he was able to pick the basketball games out of the air like that.
just some fyi to any folks who don't know - first of all those were all staged or set up trick shots - secondly to "hustle" in pool means to hide or disguise your speed / talent well enough to trick other players into betting as much money as possible. No hustler would ever go into a pool room and show off like that...this is the principle of hustling that Fast Eddie tried to get through to Vince in the movie The Color of Money. Show'em whatcha got - no one will play you for a dollar much less 500 dollars. So, what Bill Murray was doing here was NOT hustling. It was really the antithesis of hustling - it was an exhibition of trick shots. No money to be taken there...
I think the implied joke is that he has hustled these guys hundreds of times before, but this time he doesn't bother as he's grown bored of taking their money.
@@edwardmitchell6581 true, look at all those shots he was pulling off, way more complicated than a singular card trick, plus he knew every single game, even the random European league one lol. The scene would have been better if they showed him win a few bets, and it just get more and more complicated till he's betting on the most ludicrous things.
I would watch any and every scene filmed for Groundhog Day. I seriously think it's the best movie I've ever seen, and that Bill Murray, the rest of the cast, all the writers and directors deserve all the awards for great filmmaking. This is a great scene. It wouldn't have been left out of the final cut of the movie unless they had way too many great scenes to choose from.
A line like "Hey Mister...who are you, anyway?" is the kind of thing you're less likely to hear in a script these days. I don't know if it's 20 years or so of internet that has resulted in the whole "showbiz curtain" being opened, de-mystifying the art of movies etc to the point where a line like that could only be acceptable ironically. I'm not sure. Once upon a time the depiction of "the wrong side of the tracks" in movies followed that kind of pitch, namely, that seedy punks in pool halls and dive bars were sanitised in a way. Not too long after Groundhog Day, the internet plus 24/7 news brought all sides of every track into our homes, so the slightly elevated and cleaned up portrayals of "street toughs" don't really fly with a 21st Century audience.
Though I liked the scene and was glad I saw it, it had a "dark" element that would have shifted the "personality" of the film. Reminds me of the "extended" version of That Thing You Do. It is interesting, but completely kills the innocent charm of the movie. I did like Guy's cool vintage stereo though. I think this scene would have done the same thing.
I really appreciate the self controlled yet confident attitude Phil exudes as time goes by. He probably has acted as a puppet master many times in the past and realizes that is not really fulfilling in itself.
I watched groundhog day at least 1000 times and never heard or seen this scene but it is one of the greatest scenes to me and wish it would of been in the movie!! First time I seen this... thank you very much for posting!!
if there was 2 extra hours added to Groundhogs day of Phil doing stuff over and over it would be just as fun to watch.
Not really, it would be very repetitive.
@@markfox1545
Pretty much the whole movie Einstein. And if you thought it was funny, it'd be exactly why more would be just as great.
Instead of repackage/upscale movies we own and resell them to us it would be nice to see an all scenes added and unedited extended versions
@@markfox1545 I'm pretty sure that's what they were going for with this movie..
GD had many memorable scenes. The ones that stand out in my mind are him giving the salesman a hard time, then later making his day.
Out there are two actors with a story "How I almost made it into "Groundhog Day" :)
I would still be so psyched and tell that filming a cut scene with bill murray story every chance I got!
Maybe tomorrow they will
one them was in pulp fiction. which is nice
@@vladimir9983 His last role was a random shouting priest in an episode of 'Father Ted' although apart from Star Wars he was best known for 'The Land that Time Forgot' MST3K even put in a nice Jabba line when they riffed the film.
... repeatedly.
Hustlers would let you think you have a chance first.
all they needed was for Bill to say this line at the end as they walked off and it wouldve been gold
He'd probably already hustled them so many times already that it was boring by that point
@Southern Fun did you see the movie? hahaha
@@tobaliciousholland12 For sure, but the guys asked him if he was a hustler. After watching him perform pool magic tricks before asking if they wanted action, they wouldn't have been hustled as much as throwing their money away.
Hustlers also get to keep the money they win. Anything he wins disappears as soon as his alarm clock starts playing I Got You Babe.
It's Crazy how many times you can watch this movie.
I don `t know, but it just repeats over and over each time I watch it.
stclairstclair it’s a curse if I see it I have to watch it.
I say no but the hand clicks the remote anyway no way to count how many times I have seen this movie.
Every day is groundhogs day
@@TheBeemanblake That's because there won't be a tomorrow... There wasn't one today.
What do you mean? I only watched it one time
I can see Phil being drawn to pool because even on a repeating day each game would be different.
If you know exactly the math it iant
@@seankock7649 Chaos theory certainly plays a role, especially in a game of pool. Even in the exact same circumstances, it would be close to impossible to create the same game. Try it out with a single shot. Place two balls in the exact same place and shoot to hit one. Repeat it and repeat it and repeat it and you will see that not once, not once, not even after thousands of times, will the shot be exactly the same as a previous one. It almost physically impossible.
@@arcticwolf9332 What if robotic precision was in action? Having the power to rewind time means there is no chaos, one would know the outcome. Human flaw makes you correct but controlled robotics would crush your Choas theory.
@@MarcV_IndieGameDev is phil a robot.?
@@chrisv384 If we made him be a robot, does my nonsense comment stand?
Decent scene, but I think the reason it didn't make the cut was because the "Jeopardy" scene made the point even more clear, was funnier, and was much quicker.
Yes exactly.
What point?
That nothing was entertaining because it was all predictable.
also jeopardy is better known for the world than whatever they are talking about
@@speedseeder They're talking about an obscure spot played in some parts of the United States called "basket ball".
As much as I like pool, the film was just fine without this scene. I'm glad that I got to watch over 2 minutes of this lost scene :) Thank for posting.
Agreed. I love the whole betting sequence, but you're right; there's no payoff.
No fucking way guys! This shows how long he has been in the loop. I'd shorten it a bit but this scene shows what god he is in this timeline.
So does the rest of the movie. The loop lasted 30-40 years.
the film is fine with the revving engines and ghostly figures during the revvings......i love it
Same as almost everyone, my opinion. However, as Mr TRIP6 said it, got me thinking a compromising short clip would of been nice.
I see why it was cut. Nice seeing it but the movie didnt need it.
@Crimson Yes, but we get the same information when he's giving the Jeopardy answers, and we see him improving at something over time with the piano lessons. This scene doesn't provide anything to the story that isn't covered better elsewhere.
This is better than the scene where Britain try to leave the EU with a no deal Brexit.
@@uter Most likely had even more scenes like that lined up and picked among the best ones in editing.
I liked it. Maybe there was more, or could have been more, with a great punchline.
Looked out of place. Too long to set up properly with no payoff. (With the piano lesson you see his improvement). And it had nothing to do with becoming a better person.
I like this scene, it makes sense that Phil would kill time by constantly playing pool, also I like how Phil says he's seen those guys every day even though they've never seen him, like he's daring them to figure out what he is but he knows it's beyond them. And Murray's performance conveys how he's come to see this town as a prison.
" And Murray's performance conveys how he's come to see this town as a prison."
That's what could have gotten this into the movie - add this to a despair sequence.
Did you teach me 10th grade English? Cause I think you may have taught my 10th grade English class.
@@jefflittle8913 Murray wanted the movie to be much darker and philosophical and Ramis wanted it lighter. The conflict over it caused a rift in their relationship for about 20 years.
I could definitely imagine him playing pool over and over with no one ever interacting with him in the slightest, until on one day he happens to be just good enough that these guys walk up and talk to him. He'd probably jump for joy simply by seeing something change... and then quickly grow bored of it because now that he's so good at pool he can't help BUT trigger the conversation. He's clearly spoken these exact words with them many times over, and it's implied that he memorized those basketball statistics BECAUSE they asked him to bet on them. The first time they said "Basketball" he probably replied "Okay. Same time tomorrow, we'll talk basketball" and spent the next few days/weeks memorizing that day's basketball stats Biff Tannen style.
Nothing sells a story better than a little mystery.
I wish there were ten more hours of outtakes from Groundhog Day.
Play the same ones over and over again - same effect
You mean a Netflix TV series I think. With Bill Murray guest starring.
There are
Ten hours of sexual harassment ?
@@nerdguyman uh oh,,,look who showed up
I actually think this scene was designed to fill two roles at once. It both shows how much time has passed for him and indicates that at this point in the story he DOES NOT care about growth or even doing well on this particular cycle. The implication is that he HAS hustled these people properly before, and indeed has probably figured out that they bet on baketball before and fleeced them there (this time he chased them off by quoting specific outcomes for multiple games, indicating he has some inside track on sports and scaring them off.
The goal here was really showing his apathy as much as his competancy. And while things like the jeopardy scene or piano lessons showed learning, things like the drunk driving scene, the suicidal chase scene with the groundhog, and the string of suicides showed his moments of despair.
This does tie both concepts together well...but the tone is different. Its less sardonic humor and more pure vitriol. This scene shows Bill's character as having fallen to not only being in despair, but bitter and mean spirited about his situation. That, I believe more than anything, is why they cut the scene.
tnerb tnerb it feels complicated enough for late in the film but amoral enough for early. Structurally, I imagine it only could fit just before the depression sets in, but it isn’t dark enough for that
I love your theory over most others in the comments. I don't think the implication that he's hustled them before is necessarily everything, and I don't think this scene has to be about despair. Consider the following: This scene shows Phil improving: he has mastered pool. He is not hustling (faking poor skill and then playing good when money is on the line).
I had initially figured he was just bored and had spent so much time watching sports (Knowing him, probably to distract himself) while he played pool.
Thinking more, it's possible that they had fucked with (hustled) HIM on previous days: they look at eachother after seeing what he pulled off and suddenly don't want to play. They're in a POOL HALL. Phil's playing at a master level, which indicates years of practice. Years. Think about what could happen between Phil and those 2 in YEARS. He probably did this yesterday. And the day before. He probably did this for a week... Or maybe, he's so apathetic and rattling the facts off because he JUST wants to play pool and this is the easiest way to get those 2 hustlers to piss off.
This scene doesn't have to be all bad.
@@logicphile6207 Also very possible. There's no real way to know what's going through his mind in this scene (without more context its impossible).
But between the mean spirited vibe that seems to cut through the scene and the fact that it adds little to the narrative...you can see why, good scene or not, they ultimately cut it.
Why would he hustle? He doesn't need money. When he goes to bed at night, he wakes up reset, with the same money he had the morning before. Unless he could spend the money immediately it's pointless and I'm sure he'd have much quicker ways to get a nice sum of money if that's the case. He probably has gone inside all homes, knows where their cash is, when the owners are out, etc. Doesn't take an hour of pool including setting the hustle up to make some cash.
@@redavatar Well he does demonstrate a need for quick cash to get some things done in the limited time he has for the day, but he already found a much simpler solution: swiping a carelessly ignored bag of money off an armored car (watch the scene, its great).
No you're right, the only reason to hustle here would be out of sport or boredom...more indications of him becoming more bored, depressed, and jaded. Probably too jaded for the scene to stay.
The thing I felt sadly got left out by not including this scene, was the fact that as he said "I've played here for Months." and how exceptionally skilled he is, as it really puts into perspective, how long he actually spent in that loop.
Was thinking the same thing. Excellent point!!
He lived there for possibly a decade even
one thing thats fun to think about is
he probably killed all the people in that town, constantly multiple loops in multiple ways
cause there is no consequence
just like how we do in games when we can go back to another save
@@guts-141 He was stuck for decades.
@@digitalclips i heard he was stuck their for 3000yrs, that what the producers said i don't rememeber the video tho
I believe the original script called for a scene where he goes to the library, takes a book off the shelf, and reads one page. Then you would see him (via fades) go through that book, one page a day. And then the whole library aisle.
Basically the original idea is that he's stuck in there for hundreds of years. Maybe a little too dark? It certainly explains the suicide attempts.
Sonam Adinolf something like that. It was the library at the bed and breakfast (in the film, there are shelves in the dining room, but they didn’t end up using Phil’s ‘calendar’) He estimates that they would last him 20-30 years and then he would celebrate his ‘birthday’ and he claims to be 263 years old. I. He second revision of the script by ramis Phil tells Rita he has been waiting for her for ten thousand years, but that could be taken as hyperbole rather than a literal count-and ramis himself suggested that Phil was in the loop for 30-40 years
@@robertegblack . That's absolutely intriguing and hideous. But wouldn't he have gone totally insane after about a year? (I've done certain jobs for a couple of months and thought I'd die of it!)
I read something like that, too. For all the skills he developed (pool, piano, trivia) he probably was reliving the same day for over 30 years. It freaked me out!
@NinjaRider777R No way did he become proficient at piano, ice sculpting, pool, medicine, etc. in 10 years. Ramis was right 30-40 years is more like it.
@NinjaRider777R Yeah Ramis did saw that, then he reflected on the script and the realities of life and said it was 30-40. I don't think I would care to do anything from 6 am to midnight or later, 7 days a week, for 10 years straight. Even living in groundhog day hell that would be a little much.
The best stuff of Groundhog Day was him learning and perfecting new tricks, so this is a nice sight to see
Still one of the best movies ever made.
It was a little repetitive.
@@johnnyhammer and the crowd goes mild lol
The sequel is even better.
@@mindfuldrone lol
80s 90s SNL cast movies were a gold mine, All movies, tv and radio has been trash since 2000 since political agendas have to be pushed.
Been playing pool since mid 1980's and I've never been in a pool hall this quiet.
You've never been to Punxsutawney Pennsylvania.
They didn't add ambient sound cause it was deleted.
This is how it really works when the cameras are rolling.
I've been in a few dead pool halls. That era's over in my area, and pool was big at one point. Also, blues bars.
Should try playing in a snooker hall
Does anyone else think that Phil, in what was almost certainly decades, if not centuries within the loop, did venture outside Punxsatawney after a while? After all, the blizzard only came that afternoon. If he jumped out of bed at 6AM, grabbed some clothes, and used what cash/resources/stealing abilities he had to pay his way to the airport, he could jet his way to literally anywhere in the world, having several hours to use having fun, meeting people, learning languages and cultures, having any number of adventures that freed him from the monotony of that small town from time to time.
Tenderfoot Prepper in the original script he did manage to leave a few times, even visited his mother
Cool, thanks! I'm going to check out your site. I had some theories a while back, having to do with the colors and things visible in the background (like the red, blue and yellow flags during the Ned scene), but can't remember what they were. Also wanna point out the tree-falling kid is in the hospital with a broken leg when Phil is there asking about the old man. Finally, why does Fred take Debbie's last name? Phil introduces them in the diner as Debbie Kleiser and her fiancee Fred, but at the dance, introduces them as Fred and Debbie Kleiser. Maybe they had the same last name, like the Roosevelts? Maybe it was Ramis' commentary on incest in small-town Pennsylvania??? There really needs to be a full-length documentary on this film, like "Room 237" was for The Shining. :)
Tenderfoot Prepper each of those things probably has an entire entry, or more, in my blog, including Room 237 actually
Robert E G Black How do I access your blog?
Tenderfoot Prepper GroundhogDayProject.com - the first year was all groundhog Day
I feel like I just watched this scene yesterday, and the day before...
well played..well played
Yes, I can understand why it was cut. But honestly it made me smile. I would have been happy to have more of this film
This wasn't hustling, this was flexing. 💪
What cracks me up is imagining their reaction later noticing he was exactly right in every game haha
Bill Murray always flutters his eyes when he's lying. Cracks me up every time.
This is key, he does when he's pretending to be surprised. Sweet vermuth on the rocks with a twist. blink blink blink
Actors lie. It's literally their job.
Every day, I watch this video...
...and it NEVER CHANGES!
Great scene but that is not a hustler! A hustler plays poorly at first for small money until others believe he sucks, then the big money is put down, at that point he plays to his ability and wins!
there are other ways to hustle but none of them is playing like you're God, otherwise how would you sucker someone to put up their own money to play you?
He was hustling them into the basketball.
One got it. Humanity is still alive.
Which means he wasn't a "pool hustler".
The hustle-hustle.
No one on this planet could've performed a better role than Bill
Nice, i seen the movie like a million times and this was priceless.
*saw
David Smock *sawn
@@jmckaskle Ummm no. lol
@@jmckaskle *sawned
@@MK-rk4no seesawned
An example of why editing is critical to making a great movie.
I think an interesting sequel would be, old Phil revisits the town (with his wife of many years), and comes across an erratic individual who is now stuck in the loop. The movie is from the point of view of the new looper who must reveal to Phil everyday what is happening and how Phil and his wife try to help.
That would be good but Edge of Tomorrow kinda already did that. How Tom Cruise had to tell Emily Blunt that he's going through what she did everyday.
@@IveGotToast except this time, every time he loops, he gets younger
I feel like that would not work. Like what does Phil and his wife help with
@@porc1429 Part way through the film, they come upon a discovery that might bring Phil into the loop, in order to stop it together.
He knows what the risks are, but courageously bids goodbye to his non-looping wife and begins looping with the individual.
Phil's willingness to sacrifice his timeline to save the looper breaks the spell for both of them.
Needlessly convoluted plot twist: Though Phil and the original looper are stuck in a time loop, Phil has his own loop. He must re-explain to the other looper each day that he's a fellow looper now.
@@robb233 I enjoyed the movie, but what if there was a remake and instead of the main actor just ‘being a dick’ he was a bad bad man, rapists, serial killer, thief, murderer etc.
Fun to see another tiny slice more of his fateful day. I've always loved this movie.
I'm not a big movie goer but I randomly came across this movie one evening while I lived in Korea. It was broadcast on a Japanese TV station in Korea, in English, with Japanese subtitles. I'd heard about the movie years ago and thought I'd watch it and if it turned out boring I'd switch the channel. Turns out.. it was/is definitely my kind of movie. Definitely one of my favorites of all time.
If i was playing pool for 40 years id be that good too
10,000 years. That is how it was written. He repeated that day for 10,000 years. lol
Most people are saying they should have deleted it because it doesn't fit with the movie, but I disagree.
It doesn't fit because it's unedited. There's no sound mixing, no music, no detailed cuts, just rolling cameras and dialogue. I bet if it were put in, it would be seamless
no people realize its uncut material.. it would've been fine in the movie of course. However it was matched with a better idea with the jeopardy scene which gets to the point quicker and snappier. This one has no pay off at the end unlike the jepordy scene where he is proven to be correct almost instantly.
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That was an awesome scene. It really also helps enforce just how many loops he lived through, which according to Harold Ramis was way, way more than you'd have guessed from what the movie shows.
The funny thing is, pool is a game where it doesn't matter if you keep replaying the day over and over. Every single game will be different. Obviously he will get better the more he plays, but he won't know each shot before they happen, like he does with everything else.
After a few thousand times playing the same practice pool game, wouldn't his shots be the same after a while? There was no opponent to create a random ball placement. It's all him.
@@jeffgreen3376 It's unlikely that he'd shoot exactly the same way every time, but yeah, once he gets good enough, the games would all be similar.
@@jeffgreen3376 No, because it's an action that can't be exactly replicated. If it could, then every single professional pool player, would have the same game every single time. Now there are ways to make it as close as possible though. For example, if every game that he played, his opponent racked the balls and he only played one game a day, at the exact same time. That would get the same rack. He would also have to have his opponent break every time, as that is the shot that would change the most. But even by doing so, the game would still be different later on. As muscle memory is almost impossible to replicate exactly. But with him not having an opponent, every single game would be different
@@alexh8613 I think you're reading too much into it. First of all, it's just a movie and it can't really happen. Second of all, it's just a movie and it can't really happen. Third of all .... lol
@@jeffgreen3376 From a character development standpoint, it makes sense that he would play pool. In a world where he knows the outcome of every single event, he would play a game that would have a different outcome every single time
"Yeah, I'm really lucky... You want some action?" Spoken like a true badass.
Not a great scene, but it conveys that Phil was trapped in his nightmare for a VERY long time. It makes his numerous suicides seem a lot more reasonable.
30 or so years based on the writer/producer. i dunno, i dont think i would mind it. next day once u break the loop u would be a super human
Narf!
@Pinky
🤣
The editor threw away a better pool skills scene than any of the scenes in The Color of Money, which was actively trying to show skilful pool playing.
I see why the scene got deleted, it doesn't really fit the rest of the movie, but it's still a cool little thing to see Phil using his powers like this xD
many of us can relate to this movie after sitting at home the whole 2020
lol! under rated.
knowing all the Jeopardy questions is much funnier for the circumstances
"It's 6 a.m. so wake up you sleepy heads and put your booties on- cuz it's cooooold out there!"
it's cold out there every day.
Nice going Ron, you put on the wrong tape
What is this, Miami Beach?
*don't forget your booties*
This is one of those movies that I keep thinking about whenever the subject of time or alternate universes comes up. It's really an underrated gem.
"I dunno -- I seen yooz!" LMAO.
Unessacery as this scene is to the movie, it does give you a good idea as to how many times Phil has been re-living the same day since it would take almost an entire lifetime to be this good at pool.
Not at all, I was at least this good and it only took me 2-3 years, it is all a matter of dedication to your craft and how hard you work at it, and how much time you are willing to put into it. So, 2-3 years, 7 days a week, 14-16 hours a day, simple.
I've seen 20 year olds shoot games like this.
I'm just sayin, if I meet someone THIS relaxed and confident while masterfully playing pool, I'm only gonna assume they're a god. Not THE god. A god.
he said that actually
I can't believe they deleted that scene. It's perfect in all ways.
I love this scene on its own, but it wouldn’t work well in the movie.
Keep on dancin
I can't help but feel I've seen this before.
Same here, like on an old VHS we had in the early 90s.
some times it will make it in to a tv cut hence why you think or know you have seen it.
@@sbstoner I was just kidding, get it? Deja vu? I didn't think that would come across
@@markmason3965 Nah I was just playing on the whole deja vu theme
lol. I got it. Nice one. Came across perfectly. Still smiling :-)
It's the kind of scene that's easily cut. It's quite self-contained, which means it doesn't do much to drive the story forward. All it would have done is add a little more to the audience's awareness of how long Phil has been stuck in the loop. It would have been difficult for Harold Ramis, and one would imagine also Bill Murray, to convey, in 100 minutes, without spoonfeeding the audience with captions or other conceits, just how long it takes for Phil to break the cycle. Given all of the things Phil learns to do, as well as the effect it has on his mental health, he would have been reliving the day for decades.
Nx Doyle ikr? What struck me was how fast he learned French. Maybe just me but it took me a lot of grade school ...
This must have been cut for pacing, because it's a very good scene.
I was like o wow a deleted scene from Groundhog Day...clicked on it immediately and...I'VE SEEN IT ALREADY
Imagine being a nobody actor, barely more than an extra, but you get to do a scene with Bill Murray. You're very excited about it, and you take your special girl to see the movie and your moment of glory, just to find out that your scene was cut.
😭
Happened to me, except my Bill Murray was Oscar-winner Geoffrey Rush. The girl dumped me, too... :)
@@Lothar1966 Sorry to read that. What's the film, and what was your part?
I hope they would have informed the actors beforehand.
@@Lothar1966 Hey Head Up At least your son Chris has gone on to do Some Good things
Imagine if on his last loop, he called someone to make a profit off his bets.
Phil should be set for life.
It wouldn't work because in his last loop, he was doing everything for others instead of for himself. It was his being selfish and narcissistic that kept him in the repeating cycle.
You don't know for sure that is what the loop was all about. He had planet of loops where he did good for people.
He would have been set until Sonny and Cher started singing.
SubtleInsanity Unfortunately, as it stood at the film's end, he's probably in lifelong debt due to all the unnecessary insurance he bought from Needlenose Ned.
In the Italian remake, Filippo buys a bunch of pigs at an auction to impress Rita, but that turns out to be the last day of the time loop so the next morning he has a herd of pigs.
Gotta be careful in a time loop, as you never know when it will end
A few years back I was working from home on Groundhog Day and a local station was doing a Groundhog Day marathon, so I saw the movie end-to-end like 6 times in a row.
That scene fully edited would have blended fantastically.
I've watched this over 2.6K and it still starts the same way each time! What the...?!
I noticed the same thing in 4K.
Why are half the comments saying he's not using "hustler" correctly? The man is clearly demonstrating every skill a professional pool hustler would need. Just because he's not hustling them at that exact moment doesn't make it a bad guess. In fact, he probably did hustle them hundreds of times. If anything this guy's guess it too good.
He SAID he is NOT a 'hustler', and he isn't.
You have NO concept of what a hustle is. If you demonstrate the fact you're an awesome player then it's IMPOSSIBLE to hustle anyone in the room because they know you're good. In order to hustle someone you HIDE your abilities until you get them to bet what you want and then THEN you use your skills. Even then if you go from shitty to awesome in the snap of a finger you'll only be able to hustle them once. Anyone else that saw you clean up knows you hustled them and they are not fall for it. You can't "hustle: the same person a hundred time because they know you can beat them so at that point you're simply outplaying them time and time again.[
@Tim Allen….absolutely right, you just want to barely win so your opponent thinks you were lucky and then they play you again. Fat's showing his skills were slipping would be part of the hustle if he could still pot those balls like he ever did :)
“A hustler? God no! I’m a weatherman.”
This is a scene that would have worked in a less optimistic cut. Total stranger comes in, is better than you at everything, seems to be able to see the future, knows you inside and out - and is weirdly unhappy about it, like he doesn't WANT to be any of that but is resigned to it.
I quit a day in day out job because of this movie lol
Yay us!
This is a movie that should have been made a 6 hour long episode tv show.
Too bad. We could have had so much more. Could have had the depressing Groundhog Day we deserved.
Why I respect the quiet older guys. One can never assume the guys is just a nobody when one will never know what he’s been through.
It just occurred to me: you know what would really be hell? If the world was stuck in a loop, but not Phil. He aged every day like normal.
A lot of us feel like that these days.
Just think how bored God must be.
Grounghog day with Bill Murray is one of the best movies of all times. It’s a must see!!!
There's apart of me that would love this to be in the movie. I understand why it ended up on the editors floor.
And now, having watched it, I understand why it was cut out.
Thanks.
i could watch a 8 hour cut of this movie without getting up to pee
I loved that they kept the piano scenes. It is realistic that someone would improve in piano by practicing everyday. I tell retiring people at my work to take up piano now that they have 8 hours of free time every day they didn't have before.
i started playing at 28 when a customer gave me an old piano they didn't want anymore, and loved it, i learned moonlight sonata note by note, just commited it to muscle memory. so i can play it for people and they think im really talented, i'm not, but it's fun to let them believe it. i would encourage anyone to learn piano, nothing has ever helped me to escape "the now" like playing the piano.
@@RazaXML
They were just showing the comedic and ironic effect of someone taking too much credit for very little effort. The entire final day scene was sorta like that and even Phil acts in a like manner at points.
They should drop a piano on your head, jerk-off.
Not having this scene in the movie was the right thing to do.
Gold. This is a fantastic outtake, and the sports betting bit is classic, too
I'm glad it was cut- Groundhog Day was a Masterpiece! Every veiw is better.
Very good scene, but I'm glad it didn't make the cut, good choice by the editor. The tone is completely different than the rest of the movie.
My ditzy brain thought he was going to play them in a game of basketball. Lol
Nah, he was saving that one!
Me too.
😂
It would fit the movie better if he ran them at pool, won all the sports bets, and ended up killed and thrown in the dumpster outback, then waking up in bed again.
As incredible as this movie is, it would really strain credulity to find two men in Punxatawney who would be willing to murder a man over losing a bet. Now if this were Philly, that's another story...
Sorry Punxsutawney, I misspelled your name.
I think that would have been a little *too* dark, even for this movie. I'm surprised they got away with showing as many suicides as they did.
The point was he already hustled them many many times.
...or the point is that it there is no reason to hustles them, because in a few hours he's waking up that morning with nothing to show for it.
It's never specified in the movie how many times he experienced the same day, but it's implied to be in the thousands. He had literally _years_ to practice pretty much anything he wanted.
Somebody did some maths and estimated he repeated the day for something like 47 years in order to learn everything that he did. Might be off but it would have been a while
No such implication exists.
@@Eddiestab That isn't math. That's BS.
@@redrick8900 like your comment
@@Eddiestab Facts hurt your feelings and you ineptly lash out.
When the same day repeats over and over you can predict future scores in sports with perfect accuracy
The lesson nobody gets in this movie is. Even if we could replay a single day over and over again. We'd never get it perfect. No matter what we knew.
The moral is be happy with what we got and never take it for granted.
What's even cooler is that bill Murray had to learn how to do all of these things
Hey are you some kind of hustler?
One is a friend of mine named Kurt Naebig. Remember he said that Bill would always adlib his lines. When he found out he didn't make it he received a clip of this and was very understanding and quite happy. Bill is a legend and Kurt has done other parts in movies and plays and has been doing this for since he was young. Funny this popped up on my timeline and want to say thanks so much for sharing.
Just goes to show sometimes it's not what you put into a film that makes it good but what you leave out.
right on.
Good script and plot with good actors. And no agendas.
Imagine the boredom of having the same conversations over and over again for years?
Then don't get married.
@@drunkenhobo8020 Ha!
When you get old, it isn't much different. And weird part is that lot of people love that cushy predictability and regularity and stability/monotony
The one big thing this scene did add to the film was an idea of how much time he spent just playing pool , months, more like years from the way he was playing and how he was able to pick the basketball games out of the air like that.
Things that disappeared from human interaction: anyone who keeps referring to someone as: 'hey mister'
"Hey mister, are you some kind of hustler?" surely one of the best deleted lines from any film ever! :-D
Thanks for posting! This is one of my very favorite films.
just some fyi to any folks who don't know - first of all those were all staged or set up trick shots - secondly to "hustle" in pool means to hide or disguise your speed / talent well enough to trick other players into betting as much money as possible. No hustler would ever go into a pool room and show off like that...this is the principle of hustling that Fast Eddie tried to get through to Vince in the movie The Color of Money. Show'em whatcha got - no one will play you for a dollar much less 500 dollars. So, what Bill Murray was doing here was NOT hustling. It was really the antithesis of hustling - it was an exhibition of trick shots. No money to be taken there...
I think the implied joke is that he has hustled these guys hundreds of times before, but this time he doesn't bother as he's grown bored of taking their money.
So funny how different clips look when they aren’t all dolled up for the movie.
this just adds more years to how long he experienced that day.
I mean, yeah it must have sucked living one day over and over again but being amazing at a fuck ton of things when it finally ends is pretty rad
It didn't fit the wholesome tone of the town PLUS they accomplished the same thing much more efficiently and warmly with the card-throwing scene.
Card throwing also seems so much less proactive. These scene makes Phil seem to actually be doing something with his time.
@@edwardmitchell6581 true, look at all those shots he was pulling off, way more complicated than a singular card trick, plus he knew every single game, even the random European league one lol. The scene would have been better if they showed him win a few bets, and it just get more and more complicated till he's betting on the most ludicrous things.
@@wiremanart That would have made him look more like an asshole.
A truly groundbreaking film. Up there with The Usual Suspects.
I would watch any and every scene filmed for Groundhog Day. I seriously think it's the best movie I've ever seen, and that Bill Murray, the rest of the cast, all the writers and directors deserve all the awards for great filmmaking.
This is a great scene. It wouldn't have been left out of the final cut of the movie unless they had way too many great scenes to choose from.
We can safely assume any deleted scenes actually happened, they just didn't make it in the movie.
A line like "Hey Mister...who are you, anyway?" is the kind of thing you're less likely to hear in a script these days. I don't know if it's 20 years or so of internet that has resulted in the whole "showbiz curtain" being opened, de-mystifying the art of movies etc to the point where a line like that could only be acceptable ironically. I'm not sure. Once upon a time the depiction of "the wrong side of the tracks" in movies followed that kind of pitch, namely, that seedy punks in pool halls and dive bars were sanitised in a way. Not too long after Groundhog Day, the internet plus 24/7 news brought all sides of every track into our homes, so the slightly elevated and cleaned up portrayals of "street toughs" don't really fly with a 21st Century audience.
Good comment. That "Hey, Mister" guy was anachronistic even in 1993. He was more suited to a 1950s radio show.
"no one of consequence"
Though I liked the scene and was glad I saw it, it had a "dark" element that would have shifted the "personality" of the film. Reminds me of the "extended" version of That Thing You Do. It is interesting, but completely kills the innocent charm of the movie. I did like Guy's cool vintage stereo though.
I think this scene would have done the same thing.
that thing you do is an overlooked classic
Some in chat didnt seem to get the point , he already hustled them many many times .
Next thing you're gonna tell me he's living the same day over and over again!
I really appreciate the self controlled yet confident attitude Phil exudes as time goes by. He probably has acted as a puppet master many times in the past and realizes that is not really fulfilling in itself.
I would have kept that scene IN. That European league line was GREAT!
I watched groundhog day at least 1000 times and never heard or seen this scene but it is one of the greatest scenes to me and wish it would of been in the movie!! First time I seen this... thank you very much for posting!!
You know... You're allowed to edit your own scenes in movies with a video editor at home.
1000 times? Youve spent a whopping 7 months 8 hours a day watching the same movie?
Its not on the dvd?