I think both are well animated but I prefer Noctis because despite of his chaotic moves, it is still smooth to watch. Not to mention the block and taunting arm mechanics.
I just want to talk about how CRISP Noctis's Sounds Effects are, whoever's cooking up these Sound Effects for PGR in Kuro Games HQ they need a raise, because almost every new character has either Crisp or Creamy ahh Sound Effects (Skill Effect Department never lacks too) 😭🙏
@@jeremiahtorrevillas4396 not really, when they meant old devs they probably meant year one devs where PGR only had Gen 1 Characters or maybe just before that PGR CBT or Tech Test
That's what I hate in pgr it's basically if you tap a few colors you'll be awarded with a cutscene kind of crap It doesn't feel like a action game anymore Exept for the a ranks and uns they are still fun to play
@@scarlettrevor7536I mean you can lower bloom and vfx Also, the more you play the game, the more you notice every movement As much as how cool Lighter is, but his gameplay looks slow, basic, and predictable
10 pulls to get a A rank for 100%, instead saving for 60-70 pulls(50/50), also with this quality even better than some 5*, what are you talking about??? did you get it?
After watching every comparison you made between two game, ZZZ lacks choreography by a lot (Miyabi for example, she has good vfx but animation is meh, even if the concept that she was moving really fast, alpha does that too, but kuro executed the animation perfectly, tbh the only thing looks good were just the vfx and camera shakes) PGR have both of them balanced. The only thing keeping ZZZ looks engaging is the camera movement, it gives an illusion of intense fight, while honestly the game just beating up dummies. Something like Ishmael, or Nigel boss fight is what i called real boss fight, the boss actually acts like a boss and the fight feels like a dance. Trading blows, parries and dodges, it's so satisfying. *NOTE: im not saying ZZZ is awful, but for a game company like Hoyoverse, they SHOULD done way better. Especially when they claim it's combat focused.* But if you enjoy the game, then okay
"not saying ZZZ is awful, but (...)" So it is awful and it's right to say it. Yapping incoming. TLDR first - play literally any other game (like PGR) which is highly likely to be superior in almost every quality possible. Animations, gacha, story, QOL (and rate of improvements)...Hoyo knows they don't need to improve (further talked on later) Except maybe music which is somewhat subjective (but even then, most game music is "good" and simply mostly depends on the vibes and setting to elevate it), and worldbuilding(?) because having 4 giant long-term games working together over a decade will give you time to set up some cool stuff (but this has no use if the plot is bad and as such even affects the characters' behaviour in the story) So yeah, want a good story? Not to be found in Hoyo games. They'll find a way to rush and ruin the arc (ex: Penacony) or it's simply predictable brainrot (ex: everything else in HSR) anyway. Play something else, watch a movie, watch a show, read a book... The only thing that ZZZ truly has above everything else is it's "unique characters". What I mean is if you're *really* into Jane Doe, then there's only ZZZ which can offer her ofc (and if you liked their previous games, there'll be expys eventually as always). Besides that everyone else playing it ig. It's insanely popular like all the other Hoyo games because they got big once and it's "the gacha games everyone knows". Furthermore people just can't stop getting themselves deeper into the loop of "well, this game is maybe gonna improve...one day (fast forward 2 years)...maybe the Hoyo game releasing next month will be better - surely! Farewell ZZZ!" - which leads to sunk-cost fallacy in whichever game they're currently on (or they're the worst kind which have such poor taste and are so deep in the hole they play multiple of them because they can't bother looking past the big 3).
true. fans of both games but I have some expectation that zzz could do better, there have some outlier like Jane doe but hoyo should have better animation than we currently have right now.
Merciful One is one thing but don't mention Wesker man he's a nut job that can possibly filter the casual community, but a freaking 4* can go toe to toe with him in a dance.
I think I have the same view as you for miyabi, animation combat are ok, but unga Bunga without much of motion. Literally Vergil coded which I don't really like. Alpha CW or ca Vergil coded as well but they have motion. It's like on middle.
even wild is that he is free when he was released, and considering how PGR Rank system works, you can upgrade him to 6-star immediately during that lol
His hold attack can guard, not just his dodge alone. And if you play it right you can hold consecutive attack (like oraora move from jojo) move from a boss. When you perfectly guard an incoming attack, the ult gauge instantly fills up to max and ult instantly. So far that is what missing from the gameplay of Noctis Last edit: would be nice to showcase every bits of the character from any games, to see how much devs can offer in making a game character.
Both look nice, and it's also funny how similar their kit is, but I must say, while ZZZ have amazing animations, IMO that gameplay at the end feel like it miss something, it's strange cause the hit have impact but at the same time it feels like they have don't...
probably because of one of these things: 1. Too much flashbang covering your screen, which definitely happens with many PGR characters. 2. No real impact reaction from boss (While zzz is basically a punching bag, it might be better in terms of reaction compared to PGR's boss basically eating hits like breakfast after a while). 3. Both 4. It has to do with something more basic and I don't know what I'm talking about. (I don't)
@@hisayaren8324 yes, you don't, mostly because I think you misunderstood his comment... lol He was criticizing ZZZ, and you PGR. So I am confused reading your reply
@@hisayaren8324bro really said no real impact reaction from boss …..that boss is from the first patch of PGR and the newer bosses will definitely one shot you if they actually hit you because they don’t hit you one time they hit you wth a full combo that you are dead in sec …….over time we PGR veterans have gotten so good at dodging we make it look like a walk in the park…….this guy knows nothing about PGR just spilling bs to make zzz look just half decent compared to pgr
Jane Doe vs Watanabe: Astral Selena: Cappucino vs Yor Forger Caesar vs Bridget Zhu Yuan vs Lee (Any) Billy Kid vs Lee Palefire Corin vs Bananami I think these are fair
*Opinion by a professional animator, DilonGoo.* Former RWBY Fight animator and the founder of @dillongoostudio Taken from his "Animator ranks all game Ultimates" series For Noctis: 3:09 "This initial movement didn't really give me a good feeling because, if you notice, he pulls the pin on the grenade he's throwing. The grenade goes over here; he already threw the grenade. Anticipation-wise, that's a miss, right? Like, that doesn't work." 3:37 "This pose is actually not that great, but the punch that he's doing - this is supposed to be an uppercut because his arm is above him and his lower arm is below him. What do you do from there? He keeps his hand above him, which doesn't feel quite as good. It still works, it still looks great, but it's like an interesting small detail about punching that you can make feel better if you understand these things. It had one cool pose. I give it a *C."* Dilon has not rated any ZZZ character after Jane, including Lighter. However, here is the percentage of characters rated A or above from each game in Dilon’s "Ranking Ultimate Animation" series. In layman's terms, *the percentage of characters with "good" animations* in each game is as below: • HSR: 76.32% • *ZZZ: 65%* • Wuwa: 60% • HI3rd: 55.88% • Genshin: 52.78% • *PGR: 34.62%* It is important to note that Dilon took all games he rated in high regard; none objectively have *"bad animation."* Nevertheless, while he believes that PGR showcased brilliant cinematics, his assessment of PGR's in-game animations proves that it's not necessarily their strongest suit. Flashiness + visual effects do not equal good animation. Further note, PGR is improving, with Gen 2 clearly blasting Gen 1 out of the water, and it can only get better from here. This post isn't meant to cause friction but rather to offer a professional animator's perspective on the animation of the characters involved. If you're seeking an opinion, maybe...just maybe, a professional animator's viewpoint would make more sense than that of someone random on the internet. Do give his channel a visit if you're interested.
well, hoyo does have at least a dozen times bigger a budget than kuro, and zzz came many years after pgr, with noctis being first released one year before zzz
@@nevaskomaeda3051 Exactly, and even with all those limitations, Noctis's animation is far from 'bad.' (and I mentioned the Gen 1) I just brought this to attention because the comment section of this channel is starting to become an echo chamber, with people believing ZZZ has bad animation simply because it's less flashy. While the truth is...quite the opposite. The animators who worked on ZZZ are without doubt extremely passionate about their craft. Passion that apparently, garnered respect of those who works in the same line of business.
I'm surprised people are even saying ZZZ has bad Animation in comparison tbh, because in my opinion that's the one thing about Zenless' Combat, their animation looks good, PGR tho makes up for it with the "Feel" of it, how the Camera moves/shakes and how the combat flows how The character's movement in combos are "Rigid" making every moves more impactful, same reason why Vergil's judgement cut isn't "Smooth" they can make it smooth but if you see an animation of vergil unsheathing Yamato during it judgment cut won't feel as good as i'd argue is proven with DmC Devil May Cry's Judgement cut feeling clunky. I'm in the believe that if they made the animations smoother it would actually be a detriment to the game's style. The same way some film uses low framerate on purpose as an artistic choice (Example is Spider-verse).
There are some things that should be accounted for in these showcase comparison videos imo. The core passive in PGR should be included...always imo, unless if it's void of any separate gameplay aspects then it's not worth it ofc. Also, for ZZZ, showcasing the defensive/evasive assists and their respective follow-up attacks is extremely important. They as well as chain attacks are literal core fundamental part of a units kit which is ironic cause lighter's role and gimmick completely encompass these 2 aspects...but they're nowhere to be seen here. There is also the dash attacks...sure they're not insanely important to the gameplay loop for most units...but to some they are rly important to the gameplay of their respective units like billy for example who literally functions directly with that dash atk as much as his dodge counters and without it he feels incomplete. Nicole and anby also use them regularly for their respective roles. I don't think they should be left out especially since all of em are unique animations. There are ofc some character specific mechanics like Billy's ability to dodge with his core passive abilty after acquiring M2...miyabi and yanagi's built in parries...the fact that lighter can infinitely loop his atk chain or that he can side step during his core passive punches, ellen's shark sprint mode (forgot the name sry) and so much more that should also be included if ur gonna make a fair comparison that shows off each unit in their own game properly. Great video still and i know i didn't say much about PGR cause there wasn't much else to say other than the core passive part. But the ZZZ characters have been missing a lot of their kit in these videos and so i feel like it's important to note these. And i understand it's a fair bit more work to include all those but that doesn't mean they don't exist or shouldn't be at least mentioned imo.
this took a while folks, apologies......college has been eating most of my time and weekends are mostly my free time and yes please read the disclaimer in the video thank you i got your advices and this method is actually more time sufficient and is kinda better, might do this instead when needed
@@NeoZeta There's nothing wrong with switching languages. The EN VA is just as good as the JP, and now that I know Bill Butts voices Noctis, I gotta listen to it now.
@eeughwhatyearisit it’s not just as good. It’s good but we prefer JP. One thing some of you fail to acknowledge is that not everyone is an anglophone. So we do not have that “connection” with English, which makes you guys be want to listen to it so badly. I admit they did an amazing job, but I’d prefer to listen to the performance I believe it’s still better (JP). It’s PGR Global. Not PGR US.
@@Armadan7 Bro, this is not the late 90s or 2000s anymore, the voice acting in EN in recent years have improved drastically since then. Stop being such a weeb.
same zzz characters feel dull to play, the animation is pretty but it doesn't take much skill to master a characters moves simply there game play is soo simple that you can just spam it and the outcome will be the same. the boss fight you need to not spam I tried that it didn't turn out will but other than that the gameplay is honestly the most simple and the most boring. they want it to be flashy but there's no substance to it, parrying is automiac once you switch a character it just parries it for you. whenever I fight a boss it feels like the game is playing itself for me. there's barely any type of user input to the game so playing it feels so simple that you can hoently just turn off your brain. the game takes not much skill that's why I dropped the Game. they shouldn't have advirszed their game as a fast paced combat game because its just not. feels like a dummy simulator.
Casual players who not into skill based might find it fun tho so it's still a good alternative for casuals who want to try a combat game with easy to learn mechanic and it has decent graphic too on top of that. Just.. Don't try soloing the fight, since the combat is pretty simple and the characters has only a few movements makes soloing it feels pretty dull.
i really want to play pgr bcs of him but damn the male enjoyer treated like sht by kuro 😭😭 and wuwa already start to treat male enjoyer the same as pgr
I really hope they fix noctis He sometimes take damage even if he parries the attack And during his ult form he cancel his skill to parry but fails to do both Still he is fun to play around but utterly useless when you use him as a main dps
Announcer: Ladies & Gentlemen! Tonight we bring you the fight you have all been waiting for, a match so good it'll get you pregnant! Announcer 2: So good it won't stay for cuddling. Announcer: What is wrong with these metaphors? Announcer 2: I do not know, but one thing we do know is that this is ONE hell of a fight! Announcer: The reigning champion of New Eridu, the Red Scarf, and the eagle eyes of the Sons of Calydon. Please give a warm welcome to LIGHTERRRRR! Crowd cheers as Lighter walks to the ring before removing his robe Announcer 2: And he's going against the challenger, the man out for blood, the undefeated, the indomitable, the mountain, and the fangs of Cerberus! Noctis: Indomitus! The crowd cheers as Noctis runs while high-fiving the crowd with his human hand, before throwing off his robe dramatically. Lighter: Lotta energy. Noctis: Always gotta give the fans what they want. Lighter: You also gotta save some for the fight. Noctis: Don't need a lecture about fighting from you, pretty boy. Lighter: Just don't start crying when you find yourself on your ass. Noctis: Only way that'll happen is when I start breakdancing after the first round. You won't ever hear the full takedown. Lighter: That's right, you won't. Referee: I want a good clean fight, no biting, kicking, or knees just hands. Alright touch gloves The bell rings and both fighters start to throw their first punch.
Why did Noctis don't have S rank frame? A) He is already cool B) No. 21 took his S rank budget when Noctis ate her pudding C) He stay at the kid table with Changyu and Sophia. Or D) Other reason
Noctis would easily fit in any fighting game than that Lighter which came a game that claims to be heavily inspired by fighting games Edit: Why no core passives comparisons? wait.... don't tell me ZZZ doesn't have core passives...
as far as I know, some characters have their own specific mechanics. Do note that core passives basically mean certain combos that you can do with a specific character that no other can. In this case, I think Lighter's 3 skills and his charged attack thing is his core passive, it's just not called such. PGR characters just have THAT much more moves compared to other games, even wuwa. The average PGR character easily has at least 3 more moves than any character from any other game.
Honestly, you should compare him with Chongyu (even though Chongyu still has a lot to offer) since he is more outdated in PGR standards, Noctis sometimes feel like a hidden 5* when you play him well.
Well, Lighter is LITERALLY a 5 star character tho. Even if you play him well, it will really change nothing. It's not about being "hidden" or some sht, it's about how these devs put an effort creating these characters. Edit: heck, Noctis is already a 2 year old character😂😂.
Such a plain gameplay and effect for a 5 star, it's a shame, it's not even cannot beat noctis game play as a 2 years old characters and even only 4 star character
I was going to say Seth Vs Nanami but i forgot you are playing Global not CN lmao And even then, that is such a unfair comparison because its the same as comparing SAED Vs Savage Axe
Thats a unfair comparison You want Lighter to be compared with someone with 4 Arms, Shoot lasers while break dancing, and has Yata Blast Noctis make more sense
I think both are well animated but I prefer Noctis because despite of his chaotic moves, it is still smooth to watch. Not to mention the block and taunting arm mechanics.
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I just want to talk about how CRISP Noctis's Sounds Effects are, whoever's cooking up these Sound Effects for PGR in Kuro Games HQ they need a raise, because almost every new character has either Crisp or Creamy ahh Sound Effects (Skill Effect Department never lacks too) 😭🙏
They fired those talents and went to cr8 bckbeacon
Real, that crunchy dodge counter is music to my ears
@@jeremiahtorrevillas4396 not really, when they meant old devs they probably meant year one devs where PGR only had Gen 1 Characters or maybe just before that PGR CBT or Tech Test
MAYHEMMMMM THE FUCK ARE YOU DOUBG HERE MAN 😭🙏❓
@@jeremiahtorrevillas4396Nahh those were old devs noctis is fairly new ( kinda )
ZZZ: Imma press this, spam that, dodge this, press that...
PGR: Imma press... what the fk is going on my screen 😂😂😂
PGR = candy crush
Literally me and Luna Oblivion
That's what I hate in pgr it's basically if you tap a few colors you'll be awarded with a cutscene kind of crap
It doesn't feel like a action game anymore
Exept for the a ranks and uns they are still fun to play
Kuro just on another level on action game Dark soul of gacha game to DMC of Gachagame that put DMC peak of combat to shame
@@scarlettrevor7536I mean you can lower bloom and vfx
Also, the more you play the game, the more you notice every movement
As much as how cool Lighter is, but his gameplay looks slow, basic, and predictable
OP had to not include the core passive to level PGR with ZZZ
thats what we call handicap sir
Enemy comparison:
3:01 Edge Lord with Big Sword vs. 3:49 Groaning Punching Bag
fr them edge lord be very sneaky with their attacks a simple sword swing could literally cancels most of your combo 😂
@@a4arick106In PPC, its an automatic restart for me when I get caught in his combo lol
5* vs 4* btw
huh? I see 1 star vs. 10 stars
Erm, there's no difference animation quality between A and S class Agent in ZZZ so what's the point?
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@@gurashrimppaste
And so the same in PGR
10 pulls to get a A rank for 100%, instead saving for 60-70 pulls(50/50), also with this quality even better than some 5*, what are you talking about??? did you get it?
After watching every comparison you made between two game, ZZZ lacks choreography by a lot
(Miyabi for example, she has good vfx but animation is meh, even if the concept that she was moving really fast, alpha does that too, but kuro executed the animation perfectly, tbh the only thing looks good were just the vfx and camera shakes)
PGR have both of them balanced. The only thing keeping ZZZ looks engaging is the camera movement, it gives an illusion of intense fight, while honestly the game just beating up dummies. Something like Ishmael, or Nigel boss fight is what i called real boss fight, the boss actually acts like a boss and the fight feels like a dance. Trading blows, parries and dodges, it's so satisfying.
*NOTE: im not saying ZZZ is awful, but for a game company like Hoyoverse, they SHOULD done way better. Especially when they claim it's combat focused.* But if you enjoy the game, then okay
"not saying ZZZ is awful, but (...)"
So it is awful and it's right to say it. Yapping incoming.
TLDR first - play literally any other game (like PGR) which is highly likely to be superior in almost every quality possible. Animations, gacha, story, QOL (and rate of improvements)...Hoyo knows they don't need to improve (further talked on later)
Except maybe music which is somewhat subjective (but even then, most game music is "good" and simply mostly depends on the vibes and setting to elevate it), and worldbuilding(?) because having 4 giant long-term games working together over a decade will give you time to set up some cool stuff (but this has no use if the plot is bad and as such even affects the characters' behaviour in the story)
So yeah, want a good story? Not to be found in Hoyo games. They'll find a way to rush and ruin the arc (ex: Penacony) or it's simply predictable brainrot (ex: everything else in HSR) anyway. Play something else, watch a movie, watch a show, read a book...
The only thing that ZZZ truly has above everything else is it's "unique characters". What I mean is if you're *really* into Jane Doe, then there's only ZZZ which can offer her ofc (and if you liked their previous games, there'll be expys eventually as always).
Besides that everyone else playing it ig. It's insanely popular like all the other Hoyo games because they got big once and it's "the gacha games everyone knows".
Furthermore people just can't stop getting themselves deeper into the loop of "well, this game is maybe gonna improve...one day (fast forward 2 years)...maybe the Hoyo game releasing next month will be better - surely! Farewell ZZZ!" - which leads to sunk-cost fallacy in whichever game they're currently on (or they're the worst kind which have such poor taste and are so deep in the hole they play multiple of them because they can't bother looking past the big 3).
true. fans of both games but I have some expectation that zzz could do better, there have some outlier like Jane doe but hoyo should have better animation than we currently have right now.
Merciful One is one thing but don't mention Wesker man he's a nut job that can possibly filter the casual community, but a freaking 4* can go toe to toe with him in a dance.
I think I have the same view as you for miyabi, animation combat are ok, but unga Bunga without much of motion. Literally Vergil coded which I don't really like. Alpha CW or ca Vergil coded as well but they have motion. It's like on middle.
Not including the core passive and still having a 4* which you can get in 10 pulls clear a 5* is wild ngl
even wild is that he is free when he was released, and considering how PGR Rank system works, you can upgrade him to 6-star immediately during that lol
Also free skin by just doing event
@@christiabayu3325 Not just one skin either, 2 fantastic looking free skins
Noctis is free
Noctis is A rank = 5 star btw.
Noctis having the best combat style in pgr Even as A Rank is incredible
I can't wait for yata, i hope it'll like bridget, free sss+
For me its Bambinata
But tbh, I usually team up the 3 dancers (Noctis, Bambi, and Hanying)
I will wait and to get his 5 star version. Someday😊😊😊
The voice over work on JP Noctis' makes me chuckle everytime he ults.
Just funny how it sounds
According to the story and how he reacted to his teammate when they bullied him, it's fitting
Noctis’ voice crack >>>>>>>>>>>>>
Liked when he preforms his ult u can hear a quite voice saying punch or something
@@Sirbananasaurusthat's his arm lol
@@Ghost_The_Balls_Inspector ik
@@Sirbananasaurus it's satisfying not gonna lie
His hold attack can guard, not just his dodge alone. And if you play it right you can hold consecutive attack (like oraora move from jojo) move from a boss.
When you perfectly guard an incoming attack, the ult gauge instantly fills up to max and ult instantly. So far that is what missing from the gameplay of Noctis
Last edit: would be nice to showcase every bits of the character from any games, to see how much devs can offer in making a game character.
It's easier to promote an A rank to S rank in PGR than having copy of a specific Arank in ZZZ. (A RABK ARE NOT GUARANTEED IN 10 PULL FROM ZZZ)
Both look nice, and it's also funny how similar their kit is, but I must say, while ZZZ have amazing animations, IMO that gameplay at the end feel like it miss something, it's strange cause the hit have impact but at the same time it feels like they have don't...
probably because of one of these things:
1. Too much flashbang covering your screen, which definitely happens with many PGR characters.
2. No real impact reaction from boss (While zzz is basically a punching bag, it might be better in terms of reaction compared to PGR's boss basically eating hits like breakfast after a while).
3. Both
4. It has to do with something more basic and I don't know what I'm talking about. (I don't)
@@hisayaren8324 yes, you don't, mostly because I think you misunderstood his comment... lol
He was criticizing ZZZ, and you PGR. So I am confused reading your reply
@@hisayaren8324 they're talking about zzz but all of your points mostly talk about pgr and doesn't even address the issue the op posted.
@@hisayaren8324bro really said no real impact reaction from boss …..that boss is from the first patch of PGR and the newer bosses will definitely one shot you if they actually hit you because they don’t hit you one time they hit you wth a full combo that you are dead in sec …….over time we PGR veterans have gotten so good at dodging we make it look like a walk in the park…….this guy knows nothing about PGR just spilling bs to make zzz look just half decent compared to pgr
@@hisayaren8324 U had no idea what u talking about
Jane Doe vs Watanabe: Astral
Selena: Cappucino vs Yor Forger
Caesar vs Bridget
Zhu Yuan vs Lee (Any)
Billy Kid vs Lee Palefire
Corin vs Bananami
I think these are fair
Bridget has a replica in the patch. Loom at yer hair styke and her cloth, she has a tie too.
must include leap skills
Changyu and the guy in the video
why not Hanying S-rank she like Yor forger
*Opinion by a professional animator, DilonGoo.* Former RWBY Fight animator and the founder of @dillongoostudio
Taken from his "Animator ranks all game Ultimates" series
For Noctis:
3:09 "This initial movement didn't really give me a good feeling because, if you notice, he pulls the pin on the grenade he's throwing. The grenade goes over here; he already threw the grenade. Anticipation-wise, that's a miss, right? Like, that doesn't work."
3:37 "This pose is actually not that great, but the punch that he's doing - this is supposed to be an uppercut because his arm is above him and his lower arm is below him. What do you do from there? He keeps his hand above him, which doesn't feel quite as good. It still works, it still looks great, but it's like an interesting small detail about punching that you can make feel better if you understand these things. It had one cool pose. I give it a *C."*
Dilon has not rated any ZZZ character after Jane, including Lighter. However, here is the percentage of characters rated A or above from each game in Dilon’s "Ranking Ultimate Animation" series. In layman's terms, *the percentage of characters with "good" animations* in each game is as below:
• HSR: 76.32%
• *ZZZ: 65%*
• Wuwa: 60%
• HI3rd: 55.88%
• Genshin: 52.78%
• *PGR: 34.62%*
It is important to note that Dilon took all games he rated in high regard; none objectively have *"bad animation."* Nevertheless, while he believes that PGR showcased brilliant cinematics, his assessment of PGR's in-game animations proves that it's not necessarily their strongest suit. Flashiness + visual effects do not equal good animation.
Further note, PGR is improving, with Gen 2 clearly blasting Gen 1 out of the water, and it can only get better from here.
This post isn't meant to cause friction but rather to offer a professional animator's perspective on the animation of the characters involved. If you're seeking an opinion, maybe...just maybe, a professional animator's viewpoint would make more sense than that of someone random on the internet. Do give his channel a visit if you're interested.
well, hoyo does have at least a dozen times bigger a budget than kuro, and zzz came many years after pgr, with noctis being first released one year before zzz
@@nevaskomaeda3051 Exactly, and even with all those limitations, Noctis's animation is far from 'bad.' (and I mentioned the Gen 1)
I just brought this to attention because the comment section of this channel is starting to become an echo chamber, with people believing ZZZ has bad animation simply because it's less flashy.
While the truth is...quite the opposite. The animators who worked on ZZZ are without doubt extremely passionate about their craft. Passion that apparently, garnered respect of those who works in the same line of business.
Thanmyou
I'm surprised people are even saying ZZZ has bad Animation in comparison tbh, because in my opinion that's the one thing about Zenless' Combat, their animation looks good, PGR tho makes up for it with the "Feel" of it, how the Camera moves/shakes and how the combat flows how The character's movement in combos are "Rigid" making every moves more impactful, same reason why Vergil's judgement cut isn't "Smooth" they can make it smooth but if you see an animation of vergil unsheathing Yamato during it judgment cut won't feel as good as i'd argue is proven with DmC Devil May Cry's Judgement cut feeling clunky.
I'm in the believe that if they made the animations smoother it would actually be a detriment to the game's style. The same way some film uses low framerate on purpose as an artistic choice (Example is Spider-verse).
"Omg my favorite e celeb agrees with me"
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Bro didnt even use ult form core passive to nerf noctis 😭
There are some things that should be accounted for in these showcase comparison videos imo.
The core passive in PGR should be included...always imo, unless if it's void of any separate gameplay aspects then it's not worth it ofc.
Also, for ZZZ, showcasing the defensive/evasive assists and their respective follow-up attacks is extremely important. They as well as chain attacks are literal core fundamental part of a units kit which is ironic cause lighter's role and gimmick completely encompass these 2 aspects...but they're nowhere to be seen here.
There is also the dash attacks...sure they're not insanely important to the gameplay loop for most units...but to some they are rly important to the gameplay of their respective units like billy for example who literally functions directly with that dash atk as much as his dodge counters and without it he feels incomplete. Nicole and anby also use them regularly for their respective roles. I don't think they should be left out especially since all of em are unique animations.
There are ofc some character specific mechanics like Billy's ability to dodge with his core passive abilty after acquiring M2...miyabi and yanagi's built in parries...the fact that lighter can infinitely loop his atk chain or that he can side step during his core passive punches, ellen's shark sprint mode (forgot the name sry) and so much more that should also be included if ur gonna make a fair comparison that shows off each unit in their own game properly.
Great video still and i know i didn't say much about PGR cause there wasn't much else to say other than the core passive part. But the ZZZ characters have been missing a lot of their kit in these videos and so i feel like it's important to note these. And i understand it's a fair bit more work to include all those but that doesn't mean they don't exist or shouldn't be at least mentioned imo.
request: Bridget vs Lighter, BRS vs Burnice, Nanami StarTrail vs Caesar and Ayla kaleido vs Yanagi
Now do Yata vs Lighter
PGR is so fuckin Underrated
this took a while folks, apologies......college has been eating most of my time and weekends are mostly my free time
and yes please read the disclaimer in the video thank you
i got your advices and this method is actually more time sufficient and is kinda better, might do this instead when needed
one thing for sure is that Noctis' moveset is very athletic.
I only play PGR and have my Noctis at SSS, but i enjoy seeing Lighter too. Need more brawler tbh
You should include the Eng voice for PGR too. Bill Butts' performance as Noctis is really good.
I'd say keep it JP. We prefer it this way.
@@NeoZeta There's nothing wrong with switching languages. The EN VA is just as good as the JP, and now that I know Bill Butts voices Noctis, I gotta listen to it now.
@eeughwhatyearisitit is not just as good. Western voice performances are extremely rarely "as good" as Asian ones.
@eeughwhatyearisit it’s not just as good. It’s good but we prefer JP. One thing some of you fail to acknowledge is that not everyone is an anglophone. So we do not have that “connection” with English, which makes you guys be want to listen to it so badly. I admit they did an amazing job, but I’d prefer to listen to the performance I believe it’s still better (JP). It’s PGR Global. Not PGR US.
@@Armadan7 Bro, this is not the late 90s or 2000s anymore, the voice acting in EN in recent years have improved drastically since then. Stop being such a weeb.
My man Noctis🫦
As always, Kuro Games always Cook🔥🔥🔥🔥
Kuro just on top that billion could never ☝
PGR For me this is a better game than ZZZ
same zzz characters feel dull to play, the animation is pretty but it doesn't take much skill to master a characters moves simply there game play is soo simple that you can just spam it and the outcome will be the same. the boss fight you need to not spam I tried that it didn't turn out will but other than that the gameplay is honestly the most simple and the most boring. they want it to be flashy but there's no substance to it, parrying is automiac once you switch a character it just parries it for you. whenever I fight a boss it feels like the game is playing itself for me. there's barely any type of user input to the game so playing it feels so simple that you can hoently just turn off your brain.
the game takes not much skill that's why I dropped the Game. they shouldn't have advirszed their game as a fast paced combat game because its just not. feels like a dummy simulator.
Casual players who not into skill based might find it fun tho so it's still a good alternative for casuals who want to try a combat game with easy to learn mechanic and it has decent graphic too on top of that.
Just.. Don't try soloing the fight, since the combat is pretty simple and the characters has only a few movements makes soloing it feels pretty dull.
Lighter has too many recycled animations
PGR old but GOLD
i really want to play pgr bcs of him but damn the male enjoyer treated like sht by kuro 😭😭 and wuwa already start to treat male enjoyer the same as pgr
This is how you do comparison... Explain what happened... Not just comparing
I really hope they fix noctis
He sometimes take damage even if he parries the attack
And during his ult form he cancel his skill to parry but fails to do both
Still he is fun to play around but utterly useless when you use him as a main dps
bro this comparison isnt even fair bruuhhhh
noctis sweep
Just cool dudes being cool, synchronized impact frames at 2:43 is sweet
Announcer: Ladies & Gentlemen! Tonight we bring you the fight you have all been waiting for, a match so good it'll get you pregnant!
Announcer 2: So good it won't stay for cuddling.
Announcer: What is wrong with these metaphors?
Announcer 2: I do not know, but one thing we do know is that this is ONE hell of a fight!
Announcer: The reigning champion of New Eridu, the Red Scarf, and the eagle eyes of the Sons of Calydon. Please give a warm welcome to LIGHTERRRRR!
Crowd cheers as Lighter walks to the ring before removing his robe
Announcer 2: And he's going against the challenger, the man out for blood, the undefeated, the indomitable, the mountain, and the fangs of Cerberus! Noctis: Indomitus!
The crowd cheers as Noctis runs while high-fiving the crowd with his human hand, before throwing off his robe dramatically.
Lighter: Lotta energy.
Noctis: Always gotta give the fans what they want.
Lighter: You also gotta save some for the fight.
Noctis: Don't need a lecture about fighting from you, pretty boy.
Lighter: Just don't start crying when you find yourself on your ass.
Noctis: Only way that'll happen is when I start breakdancing after the first round. You won't ever hear the full takedown.
Lighter: That's right, you won't.
Referee: I want a good clean fight, no biting, kicking, or knees just hands. Alright touch gloves
The bell rings and both fighters start to throw their first punch.
Lighter is basically Walmart K from kof
Why did Noctis don't have S rank frame?
A) He is already cool
B) No. 21 took his S rank budget when Noctis ate her pudding
C) He stay at the kid table with Changyu and Sophia.
Or
D) Other reason
Selena Capriccio vs Astra Yao, Alexandrina vs Liv Empyrea 👀
Noctis would easily fit in any fighting game than that Lighter which came a game that claims to be heavily inspired by fighting games
Edit: Why no core passives comparisons? wait.... don't tell me ZZZ doesn't have core passives...
as far as I know, some characters have their own specific mechanics. Do note that core passives basically mean certain combos that you can do with a specific character that no other can. In this case, I think Lighter's 3 skills and his charged attack thing is his core passive, it's just not called such. PGR characters just have THAT much more moves compared to other games, even wuwa. The average PGR character easily has at least 3 more moves than any character from any other game.
Make Caesar vs Startrail Nanami, that will be fun😂
Ok no that won't be fair lol😅
@@FurinaMainhere when i use nanami star rail, always remember to charge & infuse the phial-
Wait, sorry muscle memory 😅
Caesar Vs Bridget seems more fair
Noctis and Yata just on another level they just the best in action gachagame but only A rank and yep by Kuro
I like lighters design but noctis clears
Same, i do like characters who mostly have black/dark in them
You would love to know that Noctis also have a free coating (outfit) in punk rock style. Might I say look even better than Lighters.
@@yourlocalidiot3327and it's f*cking free
have you seen Noctis's punk coating?
Noctic: one punch man
Lighter: Jojo
😂
Finally thank you
@@drixthunder6555 welcome
PGRはモーションが良いのにエフェクトが激しすぎる
常羽とも比較するべきだ
I still really don't like the hit sound effect on zzz
Noctis A Rank
Lighter S Rank
Noctis vs lite 'K' 😏
Shouldn't you compare Lighter with Changyu? They both have the same core skill
Bridget next
Honestly, you should compare him with Chongyu (even though Chongyu still has a lot to offer) since he is more outdated in PGR standards, Noctis sometimes feel like a hidden 5* when you play him well.
Well, Lighter is LITERALLY a 5 star character tho. Even if you play him well, it will really change nothing. It's not about being "hidden" or some sht, it's about how these devs put an effort creating these characters.
Edit: heck, Noctis is already a 2 year old character😂😂.
What's next? The boss? The music?
The music would be an absolute murder. VSS are elder god tier EDM lords.
Such a plain gameplay and effect for a 5 star, it's a shame, it's not even cannot beat noctis game play as a 2 years old characters and even only 4 star character
Just waiting for Yata...
You dont need Noctis you only need Changyu the worst A-rank to compare to ZZZ 🤣🤣🤣
A rank vs S rank
I was going to say Seth Vs Nanami but i forgot you are playing Global not CN lmao
And even then, that is such a unfair comparison because its the same as comparing SAED Vs Savage Axe
a better comparison would have been lighter and yata
Thats a unfair comparison
You want Lighter to be compared with someone with 4 Arms, Shoot lasers while break dancing, and has Yata Blast
Noctis make more sense
@@RenoKyrie now that you've mentioned it... ya yata's break dancing is unfair
Hrm?
Sad Orangutan end card.
Noctis is overkill, Changyu would be better equal
next time use Noctis' EN VA
@@sm4sher45 Owlbert knows how to throw hands
Reminds me of Rina vs Lumi with how bland pgr's designs are
That Zzz gameplay looks so bad. Don't people ever get tired of beating up damage sponges?
Thebproblem with cn games now is that their combat is too floaty still cant beat classics
Lighter sfx is lame
A rank BTW (ㆁωㆁ)
Selena Capriccio vs Astra Yao, Alexandrina vs Liv Empyrea 👀