I’d be really curious to see if it was actually nitro-v or if they pulled the same kind of nonsense that twosun did a few years back trying to pass off some Chinesium as S90V.
@@ericasedc yep. It’s disappointing as hell (as I think they have some nice designs and generally want all knife companies to do well), but not exactly surprising. Also - this is yet another demonstration of how awesome Mora knives are, since a 15 dollar mora could easily handle some batoning.
Many years ago, shortly after the US closed enough factories for Americans to wake up and pay attention to who they voted for and why, China had a real bad PR issue. Back in the 70’s buying “Made in China” was considered poor form. It got so good for us (bad for China) that China created the city of Usa China and then started stamping products “made in usa.” They just left the China off of the stamp. Public uproar resulted in labeling law changes. Not likely this post will last long but that was the history. ✌️🙏🇺🇸
I was wondering if you seen that video of the Kizer breaking during batoning. I agree it was very light duty batoning. I think the heat treat was bad on that Kizer. Thanks for all that you do and have a great blessed day.
Ive heat treated loads of nitrov with grest results. To me, I dont know if that video (I watched it) was a HT fail as the tip retention test did well, or if there was some micro cracks in the steel from the manufacturering process. Either way, it should survive the batoning, but it seemed like cracks to me as it fractured so easily. If the flat edge fractured that easy, the tip would of broken clean off in the stump if it was that brittle. Its hard to say just from one video!
@@TrailsEdgeKnives yes. Hard to tell. Shouldn’t have broken in my opinion. It’s marketed as a camp knife and comes with a ferro rod and special area to strike on the spine. I have NEVER had that happen and I have really beat on my stuff. Love your work by the way!!!
I used to use wood for heat in the winter many years ago, use to get a tag to go out and harvest dead trees with a chain saw, take the rounds home in the truck and split them with an axe and hatchet. Rarely did I ever use a blade for splitting. When I did, it was for kindling with a large heavy machete or the like, usually made from the leaf spring of a truck. Think the composition was 5160 steel. If I had to use a smaller blade today, I'd probably choose something made of 14C28N just because it's a tough steel. Still own my axes and machetes made of truck leafsprings. Good video, Erica. I appreciate your energy. Thanks
damn I just bought a Mini harpoon in 3v too.... We will see if she hold up Ive done wood craft with it so far its very thin too. That looked like Grain structure problem to have chipped that huge prob overheated.
My experience with Kizer is different, I own and used about 10 of their knives, my fav are from the Feist family, don't know the HRC, but their 3v and 4v feel softer when sharpening than some others, interestingly last week got my ultem harpoon fix in 3v and it got a few microchips like it is on the higher end, maybe they use cpm equivalents with higher impurities. With that being said i still like their QC for the price, the only knife i got breakage is 4v mule, maybe 8 years ago in the winter after using it, stab it in a tree and by its own weight a few mm of the tip broke, a friend had broke brkt bravo in 3v during winter use, cold weather is not knife friendly. fyi the dutch boys broke brkt in magnacut and it looked like problem in the steel, so even usa manufacturers are not immune to defects.
Both your videos were awesome and this will absolutely blow up. I bet people are gonna buy their knives and try to break them. More than normal. Plus, you make some great points about 153 price point and amazing steel! I bought the lightweight 15v para 3 after watching your video. Take care....
It sucks that the guy broke his knife, but that video did sort of prove your point with alot of the fixed blade testing that you've been doing👍Great video, E!
I own a lot of knives, and I am plenty sure most people on here do too. I have Esee knives and Kizer knives, and I like them both. Kizer makes a damn good folding knife, and I really like some of their smaller fixed blades. Kizer just made a bad design... as you were saying, it is obviously made for fire craft, but can't strike the included ferro rod. I know that there are outdoor knives with hollow ground edges, but I am not a big fan of them and I think it is the weakest edge you could put on a knife meant for any tyoe of hard use. There could have been a heat treat issue as well. Regardless, it failed, and it seems like a bad design. Hopefully, Kizer can correct it. As to Esee knives warranty, I think it is awesome because not only are they made for hard use, they encourage it and will replace it if it breaks. That is pretty cool in my book, and it also helps to alleviate any notion of gear fear while you train with your knife to make sure it will hold up if you ever had to use it to truly survive. Thanks for the video, I hope everyone has a wondedul day.
Yeah I mean I’ve done WAY WORSE with WAY thinner knives and it’s never happened. They legit sell it with the fire steel as a fire craft knife… should be thicker I guess.
No idea how tough it is but the Harpoon in D2 i have is one of my favorite knives for the money. It holds an edge much better than any other D2 I have used and while the only batonning I have done with it has been done with the heel of my palm:) I have been very happy with it. It's good to see the limitations of knives in the lineup though.
Hi Erica! New subscriber here. It would be interesting to hear your thoughts or reviews for kitchen knives because most kitchen knife people are much less technical than you, and you would have a unique take on it coming from the world of edc. Love your videos!
Yeah- but all knives made in China are not junk and all US knives are not perfect. To bad the US makers dont have enough of the market to be a total success. I think heat treat is done well and poorly everywhere. By the way, the view out your window is a picture postcard
Custom is the way to go. I will never buy a knife from China again because I just keep getting burned. I've had a couple duds from American makers but not ....9/10 products bad like Chinese knives.
Just want to clarify- I never once said all knives made in China are junk. I also never said all USA made knives are perfect. None of that was said, and I actually said in yesterday’s video that I am HIGHLY aware not all knives made here are even good. I just don’t want words put into my mouth that I never said. The video was literally just to shine light on an example of China taking yet ANOTHER design from us. Doing their version. And in my opinion- failing. Be it with the marketing for the knife, or the literal knife. It comes with a ferro rod. Has a portion on the spine “sharpened” for said ferro rod. And looks like the Izula. Yet cannot do what the Izula does since they hollow ground it and it’s too thin. That’s the point. Not that “all Chinese knives are junk.” Because I never said that and never would seeing it’s not true.
@@kathleensmith370 … what? That’s the last thing I want to do. If you feel this is an argument- please feel free to not watch the channel. I’m trying to avoid arguments- hence the clarification comment. Again- putting words in someone’s mouth isn’t the proper way to go about all this.
I have several knives from Kizer, two of them have quality control issues, such as imprecise blade geometry or too much detent. But Kizer is a different story, as if they don't understand that some of their solutions won't work. Although, of course, the vast majority of their knives are excellent. I've had quality issues with both Spyderco and Benchmade. For example, I have a mini Presidio, which doesn't have a repositionable clip, because one of the holes for attaching the clip is either a different size or has a different thread pitch. But it is useful to know what other problems a particular manufacturer has. And as a survival tool, in any case, you need to take a proven specific knife.
I've got cheap fixed blade knives made in China that are 440A, 440C and 3cr. The brands are Rough Ryder, Hen & Rooster, Boker. However, these knives can (and have) endured loads of abuse, much more that Kizer went through those first 30 seconds. And mine have held up just fine. Maybe they don't know what they're doing over there in China with more expensive steels? The budget steels I use are foolproof to heat treat. If it's happening with Kizer, it's happening with other overnight pop up Amazon brands. In fact, the same TH-camr who broke that Kizer, also had a new Swiss Tech fixed blade warp on him during testing. It was D2. Yet another fixed blade by Swiss Tech (Stahlern) is an absolute tank, takes anything you can put it through, it's AUS8.
Great vid as always sis! In my experience with items from china and not just knives! The sort of grasp what they are making but not really and seems research of said item is never done and they try to carbon copy things that never seem to work out too well! Yet another failure, why I would never want to depend on one for myself 😂 seems they missed the boat the whole way around on this one
There are many reasons that could have led to failure, e.g. material defects, that happens, there are numerous examples, it is not limited to China, it even happens with products from the USA. In my opinion, no real statement can be made without an investigation. The only fact is: there was a failure that should not have happened, at least not to that extent.
Right but that isn’t the point. They made a look alike ESEE IZULA. Sold it with a fire steel attached. And it cannot do fire craft. Couldn’t strike the rod it came with. That’s the point.
@ericasedc Just because the knife is very similar in design (it is not a copy, uses a different steel etc.), it does not mean that the knife has, or has to have, the same properties.
@@ericasedcThey tried to make a Knock off izula and the spine wouldn't spark the rod.this was another Attempt from Kizer to get into The outdoor market. basically Another money making Scheme that blew up in their face and I'm glad it did. Don't advertise it for outdoor edc use. When I saw all the reviewers with the 35 versions of the militaw I knew kizer had fooled most knife folks. they have to be subpar to have that many variations in 3 months. Thanks for the Honesty my reviewer list is getting smaller by the week. Sorry for the Rant 🔥
@ I am only buying American from now on, support our knife makers that have to compete with the influx of pocket jewelry. Plus I want to support their passion of excellence. Love your content Erica and thank you for taking a stance. Tired of the “influencers” on the platform that push these knives.
@@rjflippoit’s just a bummer because some of these over seas knives are replicas of really well known knives here- but when you try to use them in the same fashion they break. Like they’re simply not the same!
No you cannot trust those knives to do what you can trust your Esse to do. I trust Esse because they stand behind their work. I don’t trust companies generally ever. I wouldn’t implicitly trust an American company either. Now, you’ve made me long for knives from American companies, but that’s because I trust you and your opinion has value. That can obviously change, but you’ve given no reason for me to suspect that would even happen. I’m currently just trying to get an answer to multiple email that I sent to an American company over a knife’s fit and finish, but I can’t even get a reply. We also have certain companies that overcharge for their meh designs, but they just double down and keep going. So, it may be naive, but I’m going to trust people like you who use their shit, sharpen their shit and provide video evidence of said shit using/sharpening. Oh, and my izula is green with micarta scales, so we’d look awesome tandem battoning.😂
I don't shame people for buying what they can afford but you are right. Even if you have to save your money to do it, buy quality made USA knives. It is well worth it. I personally carry cheap Chinese made knives because I don't want to beat up my pricy knives. I use the pricy knives as a back up knife if my cheap Chinese knife breaks or fails to cut. So I carry both.
Seen people baton it is what it is I dont think I would do it except maybe as a torture test since I have a hatchet. That being said ESSE does have a great warranty and display damaged ones and I think at one point said their s35vn wasn't the best choice for batoning as it could be damaged. Good content just show quality heat treat is important
Not defending chinese manufacturers, but i do think its kind of amusing how much kerfuffle was caused by one example of a particular knife failing. If someone took ten examples of the same knife and performed the same test with the same result then I'd be more likely to judge the quality of the entire line and it's manufacturer. That goes for any knife regardless of where it was made imo.
@ericasedc Fair enough, but I'd still like to see proof. Shouldn't be a big ask since these knives are super cheap, lol. Heck, maybe I'll do it myself just to satisfy my curiosity. :)
You seem to talk just about the end result if knife making. I would say more importantly would be the beginning. No matter how great the heat treat is if the steel has micro fracture from starting process it will break.
Lifetime warranty is nice. But, when you're in the middle of nowhere and trying to start a fire that lifetime warranty may only have to last an hour or so. 😐
@sundancemarketing4253 so was I. After I read your comment, I actually thought of some poor soul dying like that and someone finding the knife and keeping it...
First I will say- I won't defend Kizer heat treats as I've had some issues with them myself. BUT- pine knots are NO JOKE. They can get quite hard. I have 100% chipped knives and even axes hitting them. Not as catastrophically as in that vid, but it was thicker geometry in both cases and still a bitch to sharpen out. Pine knots can deflect saw blades, and I even know a guy who had one deflect a nail from a nail gun back into his eye. Even when I'm working with my axes, I avoid knots wherever possible (splitting you often can't). The knot that guy went through looked super resiny and he said it was frozen, too. Kind of a recipe for disaster even if the treat was right. Hard to know without handling it, but the bte thickness on that Kizer looked pretty thin, too. They may have tapered that grind too much if they wanted it rough and tumble.
Totally agree. I think the confusion comes in from the marketing side. The knife comes with a ferro rod attached to the sheath. Foreshadowing it’s a camp knife/fire craft knife. Furthermore, the knife specifically has a design aspect of a “sharpened” spine section for said ferro rod. The marketing to me, makes it feel like it’s a fire craft knife. I think anyone seeing that at face value- would assume the features of the knife lead it to do the tasks it’s designed to do… without failing. 😂 So it’s either the marketing, or the knife, that’s the issue. Either way~ SOMETHING is wrong.
I see this said a lot, mostly by people who have really never learned how to use axes and hatchets. They're perfectly safe if you learn and abide by some key safety fundamentals, and you can split kindling far more quickly and efficiently than with a knife. You don't even really need to swing it to do so.
Free WE…. Get your free WE here… Free WE… Get your Free WE here…! All the free WE in the world isn’t going to do you a damng bit of good if it fails after crawling out of a hole while doing some hard water fishing. Free WE… if your still alive… get your free WE here. 😂 ✌️🙏🇺🇸
@@CBxDeathgriplook at knife steel nerds charts nitro v is supposed to be pretty tough if done correctly. Nitro V should be slightly tougher than even Magnacut almost twice as tough as 1095 which is what most esees are made of. 1095 rates a 4.5 on toughness and nitro v rated a 7.5
Any fixed blade no matter how big or small I usually only stick to US made, Japan and on rare once in a blue moon situations a Condor because I like the primitive rustic looks. Kizer and Civivi I would never consider for a fixed blade and neither should yall either lol. I do like the last ditch effort Civivi neck knife blade shaped in a ring to go onto your finger though, looks interesting for what it is.
You don’t baton a knife that has a thin hollow grind blade. It’s obviously going to break. The video of the guy breaking the Kizer just showed what a moron He was to be beating the knife up like that. A thin hollow grind blade is not strong enough to baton.
Never will buy a kizer again. 3v rolled while running a small hard wood dowel. Button lock was so weak that and while my arm was in an upward swing the top of the the knife hit cardboard, lock failed cut my finger. Nice job kizer money well spent. Failed in every part of the knife.
Know why it failed? 1. Kizer 2. China 3. Not actually Nitro V 4. Not heat treated Anyone who says knives aren't meant for batoning doesn't actually use knives. Batoning is required for certain bushcrafting tasks like making a bowdrill, creating certain notches, etc
Yea, well, this video made me unsubscribe. Never had any problems with kizer, varanty is also pretty good and being soo American fanboy, look at Ka-Bar USMC and other new Buck shit made in USA break after one hit. You can not blame everything on the country it is made in. Any hi-end asian folders (WE, Reate, ..) will kick usa made ones in the butt. But sure, argue about small folder which break after misuse which you did not even do! And than compare it with Esee which is 5x the price. I like Esees tho. Still i will buy Kizer. "The cluster of people they are targeting. People that are gonna use this as a screwdriver and a prybar" comparing to hollow grind Kizer :D btw that was definitelly NOT light batoning.
Actually pine wood is light normally but he was batoning through a knot. Still it shouldn't done that. I then tested my Kizer baby and it was OK although the knives are not made for this.
Before you were born, I got a Spyderco sharpening system at a major fishing show. Loved it and used it for years and years. I broke a couple knives, lost a couple knives, and then an explosion of steels being used in knives. I got my first spyderco knife two years ago. That was the BBB manix. That knife was too big for my pocket carry preferences, and I stumbled upon the Native 5. Best pocket knife ever and in Rex 45 it just cuts and cuts. I have one in S110V which is also a great knife. I kept hearing CruWear CruWhere and a Sprint run of that came out. Sharp as can be for a short time then it is pretty much done cutting. So I guess I should have believed the maker of the steel, It is a Wearing steel. As much as I hate the compression lock, I just had to get the Rex 121. I have a Mule in Rex 76. I will do my ingenuity engineering on that horrible compression lock so it cannot be opened in use. Probably a little flip in flip out tab that prevents movement of the lever. Two stage closing. I gave the BBB Manix to my son and he has used it for two years hard. I use my knives hard too, things like gasket scraping on aluminum and cast iron. Since I have to do the Compression lock mods anyway, I just ordered a PM3 in BBB. That will take even more messing around to cover the crappy scales with some thin wood. The only other alternative is aluminum scales and that is a killer in the winter. Like sticking your tongue on the flagpole kind of problem if your hand is wet and the knife had been laid down for a minute. Tried some other alternative knives and they just do not heat treat for edge retention. I am done sharpening knives every other day. The Rex 45 and the S110V got a good edge put on, and have been used for a year each with just stropping now and then, I just got out the modified fixed angle sharpener and put new edges on those two. When my son gets here to see me I will sharpen his 15V after two years of use without even stropping. For the steels that count, Spyderco does great heat treats. For the ones that will be used by people who do not have a clue, they leave them soft to resist more abuse. Made in the USA still means something, that no other country can match in the least.
American made = overpriced. I've been disappointed with every expensive American made knife I've ever had, and get equal or better quality from Chinese knives. I'll never buy one again if I can get an equivalent from somewhere else for cheaper. ZT and Benchmade are overpriced and overrated.
I recently bought a Chinese made Kershaw Iridium for around $40 (I think $60 is their usual price), and it has the smoothest action on a knife that I've ever experienced.
Same I have many Kizer, Vosteed, etc folders that have been excellent. Their axis lock destroys anything Benchmade has put out. I also practice the right tool for the job philosophy. I get why folks do it, but am not at all surprised when this happens
I but knives from everywhere but as far as an axis lock, TRM and Hogue do it the best on production knives on this side of the pond. My TRM Shadow was probably my most carried knife last year. It's pretty much my default choice at this point for a folder.
I like your videos, but when you engage in perpetuating anti-China stereotypes you are just a tool of the American state. That diminishes your content in my opinion.
I’d be really curious to see if it was actually nitro-v or if they pulled the same kind of nonsense that twosun did a few years back trying to pass off some Chinesium as S90V.
Who knows. It looked like an ESEE but couldn’t do what an ESEE does and that’s the issue I had haha
@@ericasedc yep. It’s disappointing as hell (as I think they have some nice designs and generally want all knife companies to do well), but not exactly surprising.
Also - this is yet another demonstration of how awesome Mora knives are, since a 15 dollar mora could easily handle some batoning.
@ dude Moras are dang near bullet proof!
Many years ago, shortly after the US closed enough factories for Americans to wake up and pay attention to who they voted for and why, China had a real bad PR issue. Back in the 70’s buying “Made in China” was considered poor form. It got so good for us (bad for China) that China created the city of Usa China and then started stamping products “made in usa.” They just left the China off of the stamp. Public uproar resulted in labeling law changes. Not likely this post will last long but that was the history. ✌️🙏🇺🇸
I was wondering if you seen that video of the Kizer breaking during batoning. I agree it was very light duty batoning. I think the heat treat was bad on that Kizer. Thanks for all that you do and have a great blessed day.
His reaction cracked me up! Have a good one man!
The izula is just so good and strong, i pushed it realy far even smashed the finger choil thru wood🙌💪
@@brlu666 nice!
Ive heat treated loads of nitrov with grest results. To me, I dont know if that video (I watched it) was a HT fail as the tip retention test did well, or if there was some micro cracks in the steel from the manufacturering process. Either way, it should survive the batoning, but it seemed like cracks to me as it fractured so easily. If the flat edge fractured that easy, the tip would of broken clean off in the stump if it was that brittle. Its hard to say just from one video!
@@TrailsEdgeKnives yes. Hard to tell. Shouldn’t have broken in my opinion. It’s marketed as a camp knife and comes with a ferro rod and special area to strike on the spine. I have NEVER had that happen and I have really beat on my stuff. Love your work by the way!!!
@ericasedc that's true, and also if you ask me, that's an EDC knife not a camp knife... Bad marketing! Thank you for the kind words!
@ very poor marketing!
Another great video, Erica, thank you for your insight! What leather sheath are you using for your Izula?
@@SevenFields108 thanks so much! And just a generic leather sheath from Pops.
I used to use wood for heat in the winter many years ago, use to get a tag to go out and harvest dead trees with a chain saw, take the rounds home in the truck and split them with an axe and hatchet. Rarely did I ever use a blade for splitting. When I did, it was for kindling with a large heavy machete or the like, usually made from the leaf spring of a truck. Think the composition was 5160 steel. If I had to use a smaller blade today, I'd probably choose something made of 14C28N just because it's a tough steel. Still own my axes and machetes made of truck leafsprings. Good video, Erica. I appreciate your energy. Thanks
I need to test 14C!
@ericasedc good idea, I've seen a couple of charts that put the toughness a little higher than Nitro-V.
I use 14C28N for over 20 years. Will take a good edge, but need to put a new edge on it every other day. Ken Onion Leek.
@ interesting!
damn I just bought a Mini harpoon in 3v too.... We will see if she hold up Ive done wood craft with it so far its very thin too. That looked like Grain structure problem to have chipped that huge prob overheated.
@@donc5220 could be
My experience with Kizer is different, I own and used about 10 of their knives, my fav are from the Feist family, don't know the HRC, but their 3v and 4v feel softer when sharpening than some others, interestingly last week got my ultem harpoon fix in 3v and it got a few microchips like it is on the higher end, maybe they use cpm equivalents with higher impurities. With that being said i still like their QC for the price, the only knife i got breakage is 4v mule, maybe 8 years ago in the winter after using it, stab it in a tree and by its own weight a few mm of the tip broke, a friend had broke brkt bravo in 3v during winter use, cold weather is not knife friendly. fyi the dutch boys broke brkt in magnacut and it looked like problem in the steel, so even usa manufacturers are not immune to defects.
@@Er0S3nnin thanks for sharing!!
Both your videos were awesome and this will absolutely blow up. I bet people are gonna buy their knives and try to break them. More than normal. Plus, you make some great points about 153 price point and amazing steel! I bought the lightweight 15v para 3 after watching your video. Take care....
I love hearing that!!🎉🎉🎉
It sucks that the guy broke his knife, but that video did sort of prove your point with alot of the fixed blade testing that you've been doing👍Great video, E!
I have done SO much worse and NEVER EVER have I had a knife break like that!
I own a lot of knives, and I am plenty sure most people on here do too. I have Esee knives and Kizer knives, and I like them both. Kizer makes a damn good folding knife, and I really like some of their smaller fixed blades. Kizer just made a bad design... as you were saying, it is obviously made for fire craft, but can't strike the included ferro rod. I know that there are outdoor knives with hollow ground edges, but I am not a big fan of them and I think it is the weakest edge you could put on a knife meant for any tyoe of hard use. There could have been a heat treat issue as well. Regardless, it failed, and it seems like a bad design. Hopefully, Kizer can correct it. As to Esee knives warranty, I think it is awesome because not only are they made for hard use, they encourage it and will replace it if it breaks. That is pretty cool in my book, and it also helps to alleviate any notion of gear fear while you train with your knife to make sure it will hold up if you ever had to use it to truly survive. Thanks for the video, I hope everyone has a wondedul day.
@@jameswysocki6806 I appreciate your comment! Thanks so much!!!
@ericasedc you make good videos. Keep up your passion.
@ thanks!!!
I saw that video… if you look close, it looks like that knot was full of fatwood, not an excuse but not just simple pine either.
Yeah I mean I’ve done WAY WORSE with WAY thinner knives and it’s never happened. They legit sell it with the fire steel as a fire craft knife… should be thicker I guess.
just got my 15v today it is real cool i like the brown scales
@@timjk32 I love mine too!
No idea how tough it is but the Harpoon in D2 i have is one of my favorite knives for the money. It holds an edge much better than any other D2 I have used and while the only batonning I have done with it has been done with the heel of my palm:) I have been very happy with it. It's good to see the limitations of knives in the lineup though.
@@monkpato I have heard people like that one!
Hi Erica! New subscriber here. It would be interesting to hear your thoughts or reviews for kitchen knives because most kitchen knife people are much less technical than you, and you would have a unique take on it coming from the world of edc. Love your videos!
@@thomasgarcia9445 I WISH I was into kitchen knives!
Awesome talk. All the way through. Have a great day !
@@MountainAjar thanks brotha! I appreciate you. Have a wonderful weekend!
Yeah- but all knives made in China are not junk and all US knives are not perfect. To bad the US makers dont have enough of the market to be a total success. I think heat treat is done well and poorly everywhere. By the way, the view out your window is a picture postcard
Those are all my best friends and they don’t say much which I enjoy
Custom is the way to go. I will never buy a knife from China again because I just keep getting burned. I've had a couple duds from American makers but not ....9/10 products bad like Chinese knives.
Just want to clarify- I never once said all knives made in China are junk. I also never said all USA made knives are perfect. None of that was said, and I actually said in yesterday’s video that I am HIGHLY aware not all knives made here are even good. I just don’t want words put into my mouth that I never said. The video was literally just to shine light on an example of China taking yet ANOTHER design from us. Doing their version. And in my opinion- failing. Be it with the marketing for the knife, or the literal knife. It comes with a ferro rod. Has a portion on the spine “sharpened” for said ferro rod. And looks like the Izula. Yet cannot do what the Izula does since they hollow ground it and it’s too thin. That’s the point. Not that “all Chinese knives are junk.” Because I never said that and never would seeing it’s not true.
@@ericasedc wow- you just want to argue
@@kathleensmith370 … what? That’s the last thing I want to do. If you feel this is an argument- please feel free to not watch the channel. I’m trying to avoid arguments- hence the clarification comment. Again- putting words in someone’s mouth isn’t the proper way to go about all this.
I think there should be more women doing what you do, love the video's.❤😊🎉❤
Nitro v or 154cm?
Huh? Haha
Love the snow overthere 😊
It’s COLD!!!
Here 41 degrees F
I just do not think I would ever baton with a Kizer. Even with the Smolt that is in 3V. But I would with my EESE 6.
@@barboki agreed!
Thanks for the video. Stay warm.
@@mybrotherscout3661 thank YOU for watching!
I have several knives from Kizer, two of them have quality control issues, such as imprecise blade geometry or too much detent. But Kizer is a different story, as if they don't understand that some of their solutions won't work. Although, of course, the vast majority of their knives are excellent. I've had quality issues with both Spyderco and Benchmade. For example, I have a mini Presidio, which doesn't have a repositionable clip, because one of the holes for attaching the clip is either a different size or has a different thread pitch.
But it is useful to know what other problems a particular manufacturer has. And as a survival tool, in any case, you need to take a proven specific knife.
I appreciate you sharing all that!
kizer has always had heat treat issues
So I’ve heard!
I've got cheap fixed blade knives made in China that are 440A, 440C and 3cr. The brands are Rough Ryder, Hen & Rooster, Boker. However, these knives can (and have) endured loads of abuse, much more that Kizer went through those first 30 seconds. And mine have held up just fine. Maybe they don't know what they're doing over there in China with more expensive steels? The budget steels I use are foolproof to heat treat. If it's happening with Kizer, it's happening with other overnight pop up Amazon brands. In fact, the same TH-camr who broke that Kizer, also had a new Swiss Tech fixed blade warp on him during testing. It was D2. Yet another fixed blade by Swiss Tech (Stahlern) is an absolute tank, takes anything you can put it through, it's AUS8.
@@avdmustang thanks for sharing!
Great vid as always sis! In my experience with items from china and not just knives! The sort of grasp what they are making but not really and seems research of said item is never done and they try to carbon copy things that never seem to work out too well! Yet another failure, why I would never want to depend on one for myself 😂 seems they missed the boat the whole way around on this one
@@865knives yep!!!! Go AMERICA 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
There are many reasons that could have led to failure, e.g. material defects, that happens, there are numerous examples, it is not limited to China, it even happens with products from the USA. In my opinion, no real statement can be made without an investigation. The only fact is: there was a failure that should not have happened, at least not to that extent.
Right but that isn’t the point. They made a look alike ESEE IZULA. Sold it with a fire steel attached. And it cannot do fire craft. Couldn’t strike the rod it came with. That’s the point.
@ericasedc Just because the knife is very similar in design (it is not a copy, uses a different steel etc.), it does not mean that the knife has, or has to have, the same properties.
@@ericasedcThey tried to make a Knock off izula and the spine wouldn't spark the rod.this was another Attempt from Kizer to get into The outdoor market. basically Another money making Scheme that blew up in their face and I'm glad it did. Don't advertise it for outdoor edc use. When I saw all the reviewers with the 35 versions of the militaw I knew kizer had fooled most knife folks. they have to be subpar to have that many variations in 3 months. Thanks for the Honesty my reviewer list is getting smaller by the week. Sorry for the Rant 🔥
Kizer knives are Chinesium - yeah they banned me from their FB group for saying that 😂
No free speech there I guess 😂
@ I am only buying American from now on, support our knife makers that have to compete with the influx of pocket jewelry. Plus I want to support their passion of excellence.
Love your content Erica and thank you for taking a stance. Tired of the “influencers” on the platform that push these knives.
@@rjflippoit’s just a bummer because some of these over seas knives are replicas of really well known knives here- but when you try to use them in the same fashion they break. Like they’re simply not the same!
No you cannot trust those knives to do what you can trust your Esse to do. I trust Esse because they stand behind their work. I don’t trust companies generally ever. I wouldn’t implicitly trust an American company either. Now, you’ve made me long for knives from American companies, but that’s because I trust you and your opinion has value. That can obviously change, but you’ve given no reason for me to suspect that would even happen. I’m currently just trying to get an answer to multiple email that I sent to an American company over a knife’s fit and finish, but I can’t even get a reply. We also have certain companies that overcharge for their meh designs, but they just double down and keep going. So, it may be naive, but I’m going to trust people like you who use their shit, sharpen their shit and provide video evidence of said shit using/sharpening. Oh, and my izula is green with micarta scales, so we’d look awesome tandem battoning.😂
@@dw8143cheers to that!
Love this 😂🎉
Doggone you’re early today!
I don't shame people for buying what they can afford but you are right. Even if you have to save your money to do it, buy quality made USA knives. It is well worth it. I personally carry cheap Chinese made knives because I don't want to beat up my pricy knives. I use the pricy knives as a back up knife if my cheap Chinese knife breaks or fails to cut. So I carry both.
Cheers to that!
The timing is hilarious! For any Chinese knife company to try and get a spot in the outdoors knife area is hilarious to me.
Yeah. Like we have enough here. I promise. 😂
Love that Giggle 🤭 😁👍
This one’s interesting! 😂❤
Chandler legacy farms video was 🔥 thanks for the laughs 😂😂😂😂
His reaction had me LAUGHING
@ 100
Seen people baton it is what it is I dont think I would do it except maybe as a torture test since I have a hatchet. That being said ESSE does have a great warranty and display damaged ones and I think at one point said their s35vn wasn't the best choice for batoning as it could be damaged. Good content just show quality heat treat is important
@@kayok07 cheers!
Esse made s35 because customers demanded it. Their 1095 has a no question asked warranty and their knives are on the soft and thick side to take abuse
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@ hanging in there Erica. 👍
Is that a graveyard outside?
@@petergalione1414 yes
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Best neighbors ever!
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What about these American made buck?
Dam
What about them
I am "commenting" to do you some YT support. You've got heart.
@@robertbarnum7541 I LOVE YOU
The kizer that broke the internet😂 1095 is very underrated it’s in my opinion a very tough useful steel for knives.
It has horribly low toughness. The only thing providing that for ESEE, is the geometry.
Not defending chinese manufacturers, but i do think its kind of amusing how much kerfuffle was caused by one example of a particular knife failing. If someone took ten examples of the same knife and performed the same test with the same result then I'd be more likely to judge the quality of the entire line and it's manufacturer. That goes for any knife regardless of where it was made imo.
Oh a number of people are speaking up now saying their knives did the same. Or Civivi Nitro V etc
@ericasedc Fair enough, but I'd still like to see proof. Shouldn't be a big ask since these knives are super cheap, lol. Heck, maybe I'll do it myself just to satisfy my curiosity. :)
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Thanks for watching!
You seem to talk just about the end result if knife making. I would say more importantly would be the beginning. No matter how great the heat treat is if the steel has micro fracture from starting process it will break.
@@samturner6455 thanks for watching and commenting!
That duckhead is sweet
@@rjlewis8346 it really is!!!!
@ I’m currently looking for a edc fixed with large hands. Any suggestions?
@ watch my EDC fixed blade video for that! 🥰🥰
Lifetime warranty is nice. But, when you're in the middle of nowhere and trying to start a fire that lifetime warranty may only have to last an hour or so. 😐
@@sundancemarketing4253 I appreciate you watching!
Not true. The "lifetime" warranty refers to the knife, not the owner. Whomever finds it after your passing has the same warranty rights.
@jameswysocki6806
🤦You do realize, I was joking.
@sundancemarketing4253 so was I. After I read your comment, I actually thought of some poor soul dying like that and someone finding the knife and keeping it...
Yeah, because we all know no USA made knife has ever broken from severe use before. 🙄
@@sbogill4292 thanks for watching and taking the time to comment!
No one needs your $@ecasm.
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That said $TFU. $m@rt @$$!!
First I will say- I won't defend Kizer heat treats as I've had some issues with them myself.
BUT- pine knots are NO JOKE. They can get quite hard. I have 100% chipped knives and even axes hitting them. Not as catastrophically as in that vid, but it was thicker geometry in both cases and still a bitch to sharpen out. Pine knots can deflect saw blades, and I even know a guy who had one deflect a nail from a nail gun back into his eye. Even when I'm working with my axes, I avoid knots wherever possible (splitting you often can't). The knot that guy went through looked super resiny and he said it was frozen, too. Kind of a recipe for disaster even if the treat was right. Hard to know without handling it, but the bte thickness on that Kizer looked pretty thin, too. They may have tapered that grind too much if they wanted it rough and tumble.
Totally agree. I think the confusion comes in from the marketing side. The knife comes with a ferro rod attached to the sheath. Foreshadowing it’s a camp knife/fire craft knife. Furthermore, the knife specifically has a design aspect of a “sharpened” spine section for said ferro rod. The marketing to me, makes it feel like it’s a fire craft knife. I think anyone seeing that at face value- would assume the features of the knife lead it to do the tasks it’s designed to do… without failing. 😂 So it’s either the marketing, or the knife, that’s the issue. Either way~ SOMETHING is wrong.
There’s not a version on the Kizer website available with a ferro rod attached. It must have been a retailer that sold the two together.
@ no. Look at the website. It literally says fire starting kit included. It says it’s a bushcraft knife. Like the website says it all.
I have never batoned a knife. That is what axes are for. I don't want to wreck any knives that I have by smacking on the tip
@@madtownangler you won’t unless you misuse it. Batoning isn’t misuse with the proper knife.
Batoning a knife is also a lot safer than swinging an axe or a hatchet.
Yeah I have way more control over it. I have gotten pretty good at batoning and creating a fire with just a knife. And it’s fun!
I see this said a lot, mostly by people who have really never learned how to use axes and hatchets. They're perfectly safe if you learn and abide by some key safety fundamentals, and you can split kindling far more quickly and efficiently than with a knife. You don't even really need to swing it to do so.
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I don't think Kizer makes any knives for batoning. Their knives are very EDC oriented I think. Correct me if I am wrong.
Why would you sell an edc knife with a fire steel attached to it then?
@ I'm not too familiar with Nitro V but I think it needs a thick blade stock to be sturdy.
@@CBxDeathgrip it doesn’t. Also like I asked. If it’s an EDC knife, why does it come with an attached ferro rod?
@@CBxDeathgriplook at knife steel nerds charts nitro v is supposed to be pretty tough if done correctly. Nitro V should be slightly tougher than even Magnacut almost twice as tough as 1095 which is what most esees are made of. 1095 rates a 4.5 on toughness and nitro v rated a 7.5
@@jmar7762yep. Thank you. I wish more people would research haha
Hahaha I was his first comment on that video!
Oh word!!!
So are we gonna see the video cause I for d*** sure?Wanna see it😊
I said where you can see it and put in the description how to find it. I suggest watching for sure!
@ericasedc my bad! Will do thanks for the reply
@@restlismc lemme know whatchya think after!
Any fixed blade no matter how big or small I usually only stick to US made, Japan and on rare once in a blue moon situations a Condor because I like the primitive rustic looks. Kizer and Civivi I would never consider for a fixed blade and neither should yall either lol. I do like the last ditch effort Civivi neck knife blade shaped in a ring to go onto your finger though, looks interesting for what it is.
@@Theylive4213 I appreciate you sharing your thoughts!
You don’t baton a knife that has a thin hollow grind blade. It’s obviously going to break. The video of the guy breaking the Kizer just showed what a moron He was to be beating the knife up like that. A thin hollow grind blade is not strong enough to baton.
@@WillGamache I don’t think he’s a moron. That was unkind.
The$e comments soud like they're coming from people living in Ma$$achusett$. 🤔
@@normcote270 or moms
Kiser made in Guangzhou, China. That should tell you everything
They just seem to take our designs and then make worse versions of them. 😂
@@ericasedc I will say, they did fantastic with their clutch lock on the drop bears. But that is only the mechanical end, not the business end 😂
@ haha right
Never will buy a kizer again. 3v rolled while running a small hard wood dowel. Button lock was so weak that and while my arm was in an upward swing the top of the the knife hit cardboard, lock failed cut my finger. Nice job kizer money well spent. Failed in every part of the knife.
I have the small smolt 3v and kind beat on it didn't roll I even prayed some base boards in my bathroom did great .
Sounds like Kizer has issues from what I’m reading haha
Know why it failed?
1. Kizer
2. China
3. Not actually Nitro V
4. Not heat treated
Anyone who says knives aren't meant for batoning doesn't actually use knives. Batoning is required for certain bushcrafting tasks like making a bowdrill, creating certain notches, etc
@@dualsportoutdoors bahahahhaha ok GOLD🤣
Yea, well, this video made me unsubscribe. Never had any problems with kizer, varanty is also pretty good and being soo American fanboy, look at Ka-Bar USMC and other new Buck shit made in USA break after one hit. You can not blame everything on the country it is made in. Any hi-end asian folders (WE, Reate, ..) will kick usa made ones in the butt. But sure, argue about small folder which break after misuse which you did not even do! And than compare it with Esee which is 5x the price. I like Esees tho. Still i will buy Kizer.
"The cluster of people they are targeting. People that are gonna use this as a screwdriver and a prybar" comparing to hollow grind Kizer :D
btw that was definitelly NOT light batoning.
btw why you have linked Peterbilt when the video you talking about is from Chandlers Legacy Farm
@@Honza9M thanks for unsubbing. I appreciate it!
Actually pine wood is light normally but he was batoning through a knot. Still it shouldn't done that. I then tested my Kizer baby and it was OK although the knives are not made for this.
Haha all companies and countries have defective products..
@@Mike_Y. they sure do!
Before you were born, I got a Spyderco sharpening system at a major fishing show. Loved it and used it for years and years. I broke a couple knives, lost a couple knives, and then an explosion of steels being used in knives. I got my first spyderco knife two years ago. That was the BBB manix. That knife was too big for my pocket carry preferences, and I stumbled upon the Native 5. Best pocket knife ever and in Rex 45 it just cuts and cuts. I have one in S110V which is also a great knife. I kept hearing CruWear CruWhere and a Sprint run of that came out. Sharp as can be for a short time then it is pretty much done cutting. So I guess I should have believed the maker of the steel, It is a Wearing steel. As much as I hate the compression lock, I just had to get the Rex 121. I have a Mule in Rex 76. I will do my ingenuity engineering on that horrible compression lock so it cannot be opened in use. Probably a little flip in flip out tab that prevents movement of the lever. Two stage closing. I gave the BBB Manix to my son and he has used it for two years hard. I use my knives hard too, things like gasket scraping on aluminum and cast iron. Since I have to do the Compression lock mods anyway, I just ordered a PM3 in BBB. That will take even more messing around to cover the crappy scales with some thin wood. The only other alternative is aluminum scales and that is a killer in the winter. Like sticking your tongue on the flagpole kind of problem if your hand is wet and the knife had been laid down for a minute. Tried some other alternative knives and they just do not heat treat for edge retention. I am done sharpening knives every other day. The Rex 45 and the S110V got a good edge put on, and have been used for a year each with just stropping now and then, I just got out the modified fixed angle sharpener and put new edges on those two. When my son gets here to see me I will sharpen his 15V after two years of use without even stropping. For the steels that count, Spyderco does great heat treats. For the ones that will be used by people who do not have a clue, they leave them soft to resist more abuse. Made in the USA still means something, that no other country can match in the least.
I LOVE Spyderco!
American made = overpriced. I've been disappointed with every expensive American made knife I've ever had, and get equal or better quality from Chinese knives. I'll never buy one again if I can get an equivalent from somewhere else for cheaper. ZT and Benchmade are overpriced and overrated.
Awh. How unfortunate.
I recently bought a Chinese made Kershaw Iridium for around $40 (I think $60 is their usual price), and it has the smoothest action on a knife that I've ever experienced.
Same I have many Kizer, Vosteed, etc folders that have been excellent. Their axis lock destroys anything Benchmade has put out. I also practice the right tool for the job philosophy. I get why folks do it, but am not at all surprised when this happens
I but knives from everywhere but as far as an axis lock, TRM and Hogue do it the best on production knives on this side of the pond. My TRM Shadow was probably my most carried knife last year. It's pretty much my default choice at this point for a folder.
I think Nitro V has to be one of the more overrated steels. Not much tougher, if at all, than 14c and holds an edge worse.
@@monkpato thanks for sharing your opinion!
I like your videos, but when you engage in perpetuating anti-China stereotypes you are just a tool of the American state. That diminishes your content in my opinion.
@@JoshuaMurphyFMEN thanks for letting me know how you feel! You totally don’t have to watch🥰🥰