Andrew Tate is Gone
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“Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” -Mark Twain
Could put that to snowflake people like ludwig tbh
@@AintChillGuy ohh who's an edgy boy, who's an edgy boy, you are, oh you're so edgy 🥺
@@AintChillGuy did he hurt your feelings by slandering your internet daddy? poor you.
@@sukatidi bruh I'm crying , 2 reasons that you think it's funny and also that you took your time writing that
@@furyjaguar8034 the same shit ain't chill guy defended tate you guys just defended Ludwig I'm so dead . Andrew tate fan boys and haters are of the same family I swear
It's honestly insane how one singular man changed thousands of children's attitudes and overall opinion towards women. I totally agree with more creators coming out on platforms just like Andrew Tate, it's bound to happen as a result of the fame/money he gained.
It's honestly scary how quickly it occured, and how many young men it impacted. It makes you wonder.
@@onyxsmith848 I’ve seen his face everywhere but I’ve not watched his vids or seen anyone talking like him online or in person lol isn’t he just a meme?
It was like everyone being surprised Trump got elected. I don't agree with Tate and his views but it's hardly surprising when you push one extreme eventually other extremes boil up and people hide their true beliefs until it's socially acceptable because they don't want to be cancelled.
People just don't debate and discuss opinions anymore and it leads to stuff like this from both extremes.
It probably blew up so fast, because no one has praised masculinity like that before. In the past few years people have only talked about feminism and women overall. And now when a guy came and talked about men, it blew up totally
somehow revitalized the misogyny of the 1900s in the 2020s
The more I hear Lud actually talk about issues the more I respect him.
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Really? Now I don't watch him and please correct me if I'm wrong but he just seems to say what's safe and politically correct.
@@annoyingcat5328 that’s been my general impression, but I trust that he’s being genuine
@@henrytims4745 so you believe that he believes everything he says?
@@annoyingcat5328 yes, i also think that what's "politically correct" can also just be correct in general.
So glad to see a mention of the Rohingya, even if it's small. I just wrote my thesis on this and knowing how bad it still is, along with the history behind it, it's just so infuriating to see how little coverage there still is. And even when it is mentioned, so little is ever covered. I know you normally do Mogul Mail about issue with creators and social media, but a video on the Rohingya crisis would be very cool to see, something that has more comprehensive information but with a platform behind it. I really want to make a video on it, but as someone who has never actually uploaded a TH-cam video, I know that the traction behind it would be small, unless I wanted to try and get Hasan to watch it on stream or something.
I doubt you'll see this comment with how many you are, but if you are interested in making a video on the Rohingya and want information from someone who has already spent a year of their life combing through academic papers and doing the heavy lifting, I would be ecstatic to help provide the research for it. It's an issue that has become very important to me since having to write my thesis, especially after having to look at interviews with survivors and look at all of the legal justifications used for it, so seeing it get more traction would be awesome
Go for the video!! Even if it's a small traction, at least there will be something for those who are interested in it.
this is the first time i’ve heard of Rohingya. it would be great if you make a video, regardless of how much traction it gets
What color is your Bugatti
What color is your Bugatti
@@cool358 The same as yours.
It's quite sad how the "sigma male grindset" turned from a sarcastic meme into people unironically agreeing with Andrew Tate
That’s how it happens all the time though. Starts as a funny meme then slowly it starts changing peoples minds. It’s like a virus.
Wake up he's right
@@reen6904 0:40 he literally said that you're also responsible if you get r*ped??? Tf is he right about
He might be right about getting money without education and may bring in his scams, but a person saying this, no matter how rich they are or how poor the are, ultimately looses respect of the society.
@Qurandale Spingle he's rasing the new generation of mans alone, most kids today don't have a good father figure, he's doing good
"Those who are dependent on the matrix will fight to defend it."
I don't think the point of arguing with people like Tate is to convince him any more than the point of a political debate is to convince your opponent. As you said, it's not a conversation between two people because there is an audience, and it is those people you are trying to get to by engaging with people like Tate. His only purpose in the debate is to draw his followers to you, so that you can present your arguments to them, because if he's not there then neither are they.
how tf is his purpose to get people? he is saying most anti society looking things. to get fans they have to rly carefully listen so they can understand.
most of the people are just like ludwig. cant even get a argument just look at this because words he says are looking bad. dont care if this make sense. dont try to understand live in delusion. level of ignorance to blindly listen to youtuber instead of 350 milion net worth without listening and trying to make opinion just landed on the moon
The point is to show and understand both sides regardless if you disagree.
But most people seeing this as an us vs them squabble is the problem.
They strip it of any nuance or layers to it with out of context clips and quotes and then throw the whole thing away because really they already decided what they thought from what other people told them to think.
I dont agree with either but its clear Tate has alot more valuable things to say than a guy who talks at a camera all day with copied opinions heard by everyone.
Andrew Tates good I like him
i peaked over at my cousin (he’s 12, 7th grader) on his phone, and saw him on tik tok. 3 in a row were andrew taint edits. i had a very serious and lengthy talk with him about what he was consuming. it ended in tears and him unfollowing all the accounts, including taint. i asked him simple questions like “would you want your mom to have a man talking to her like that?” and “why do you feel like what he’s saying is okay?”. he had no real answers that aligned with taint and the likes of him. he’s a child, a little boy, who was simply following what was being fed to him. it’s scary. young and impressionable kids are following what these “red pilled” idiots are saying because it’s presented in a way that it’s correct, that everything they’re saying is fact. i know my little cousin is a good kid, he loves playing with his toddler brother and spends hours sitting with my grandma helping her eat and reminding her he’s her great grandson with a patience and understanding beyond his years. it’s so so scary and sad.
You would probably have him watch pedophile transvestite story telling for bed time wouldn't you.
>Lie detected< You are full of it.
Great job for educating him!
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@@DeviantDespot More like >Inconvenient perspective for my views detected<
If one has to assume other perspectives are lies for one's beliefs to stay unchallenged then it's more akin to blind faith.
Am I the only one that loved his perfectly cut scream and his "really" face 😂
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What color is your Bugatti
@@cool358 Let me show you, ill post a picture of it to twitter and insta...oh wait
@@cool358 what color is your bed sheet?
@@cool358 Ferrari better
Yes u are bro
Knowing so many kids were supporting Tate is terrifying. The fact someone so nasty had so much influence on young people whose own opinions are being moulded at their age
You are legit blind you can see all these bad influencers… this didn’t do anything but boost TOP G message
What color is your Bugatti?
I'm terrified of younger people buying into his narcissism and misogyny, they're our next generation but going backwards.
@@adegaming3998 can you try this again but try and make sense this time? how is taints teachings actually working out for you btw? notice how people have stopped respecting you at all instead of just tolerating you?
@@TheWalf999 Yes but what color is your Bugatti?
The problem of de-monetizing the platform for Tate doesn’t take away what he’s really looking for: Signups for his programs. His private programs can’t be monitored and he can’t be banned for that.
So taking away his monetization won’t stop him from promoting those programs and making massive amounts of money from it. That’s his only goal.
Banning him helps remove the massive platform of advertising and reposting of new inflammatory content he could make. It doesn’t kill the beast but it surely slows down the evolution.
Well I mean if people wanna prove themselves a bigger loser then him. The perfect way to doit is by blowin their money on him. It aint my money so I dont care
in my country there's a popular saying, in english would very very roughly translate to: everyday a scammer and a fool leave their house, and when they meet, there'll be business.
you can't stop people from being stupid to a certain extent (that's why everyone is selling courses on everything. it delivers JACK SH!T but technicaly it's not a piramid scheme)
Demonitising means that your video won't be promoted nearly as much.
Actually I think his program was terminated
@@lavarelease2928 yeah, I’ve heard he claimed that he terminated it himself, but I’m not sure if that’s true.
ive never been prouder to be a 14 year old boy who never supported him.
Same here
As a girl, I’m also proud.
Hope she sees this bro!. Maybe she will touch it!
I'm proud of you too bro or your preferred pronoun of choice.
@@ali.a9083 is this directed towards me
The reason that companies like Meta cannot simply remove Tate from the algorithm (apart from being yet another bandaid fix) is that Tate has received such an onerous amount of media attention recently. They aren't removing him because they are trying to improve the product. They are removing him because the PR department has determined that it is in their best interest to take a public action on the matter.
Unlike most teenage boys I’m actually very happy about this ban. Also awesome video, super agree with what you said in this video.
Agreed
You can’t just go banning people you don’t agree with you’re not going to change their views
@@86kickass I mean he did break a few TOS rules
@@justadam6309 That’s what I’ve been telling the Tater Tots this whole time, lmao. It’s not just that they disagree with what he says, he’s broken several terms of service. You could even consider his whole “post clips of me with an affiliate link” scheme as spam. He broke the rules several times, which for most platforms, results in a ban.
@@Dovahkiin049 it's also a pyramid scheme
Glad to see you cover this with more depth- I knew something was up when I was on VRChat and a group of younger people were like "HAVE YOU HEARD OF ANDREW TATE!?!?" and when I said no, they flipped out on me. Being a woman in gaming isn't all butterflies and rainbows, and I don't expect it to be by any means, but when you get cussed out for not knowing who this misogynist guy is, something is wrong. Thank you Ludwig for providing a safer sphere for all of us.
It’s impossible to argue with these fuckin degenerates too. “Andre Tate would beat the shit out of you” no shit he’s a pro fighter like what does that even mean?!
I wish I never knew who Andrew tate was
Wow you're on the internet, you were never in danger. And you're literally thanking some TH-camr for making it safe. Cringe
Wtf r u talking about man
Youre playing an online game. Of course there’s going to be immature kids playing. Its not misogyny it’s immaturity. Life isn’t about safe spaces my friend. When you’re in the real world you’ll experience that
I love Ludwig’s analysis of public media discourse/discussion vs real discourse/discussion one-on-one. Finally, someone put it into words!
This is a really great analysis Ludwig, you did your research and delivered a great analysis of this situation and the consequences that are gonna come out of it. You are defiantly the most based Content Creator I know
Yo Fam I’m a small content creator, and I make a variety of entertaining reactions, vlogs, and a range Of other content and I’m still working on quality but I guarantee you will find something you will enjoy🙏🏾‼
"research" isn't looking up random news made by biased platforms. I ofc don't agree with andrews absurd takes on women but I also don't think that he himself believes in them like most of the time he laughs or smiles after saying something absurd. Also Ludwig was way too riled up by this topic and this kind of video couldn't even prove to me that water is nessesary for humans to stay alive
biased views, not researched at all, andrew tate is a normal dude, way more normal than most rich assholes
@@juliasrouvali1924 The content creators only disagree with Andrew Tate because they are blind to the facts and they want to jump on the hype train beofre it is gone. They really don't give af about him and thats sad
He defiantly is
If you put yourself in a position to get banned, you must bare some responsibility.
Didn't Lud said racist things in a gym and he didn't bare the responsability even to the point of shifting the blame?
i see what you did there.
No these platforms have banned people for nothing. Google TH-cams parent company banned somones google accounts for sharing a picture for a doctor.
I see What you did, very well done.
Thats how you start a revolution.
When you get silenced and no one cares.
You make them feel it wheither they want it or not.
Don't worry about mogul mail becoming an echo chamber, we're extremely happy to point out things we disagree with you on and share honest opinions because that's the space you've created on this channel.
Yeah, sure, sure... 🙃
@Daniel foodist man And? Cope harder.
@Daniel Foodist Man You think that strength and being right is the same thing. You’re such a child
lol scroll the comments this place echoes..
@@souventudubanned I don’t understand your question. Just kinda seems like you’re proving my point
People think that deplatforming is something people only ever suggest as a means of combatting misinfo or disinfo, but that's not true. Deplatforming isn't for combatting disinfo --- it's for combatting abuse. Abuse need not be personal, it can be parasocial. It can also be done via proxy, like, say, through convincing an audience to abuse people for you. This is Andfew Tate's sin --- he abuses women through the proxy of his audience and more directly through the screen. And abuse, even verbal and psychological abuse, can have an incredibly detrimental effect on people's health.
Inb4 someone says "just get a thicker skin it's the internet lol"
The problem is that most people don't have a thick skin. Are we going to ban any of them from the internet? As some of the darker, less moderated corners of the internet demonstrate, that's effectively what you do when you allow abuse to go unchecked. There is no sphere in which speech is truly free, because social pressure and fear of social retribution will always exist as long as we are a social species.
(Oh and also Tate is simply a grifter who trafficked minors so that alone is a reason to revoke his internet access completely, since it's a tool he's used to commit literal, actual, honest to god atrocious felonies.)
W take
Based
Yeah and who decides what is abuse? The people at the top? Where do we draw the lines on this?
@@plantheattack9 Depends on the case
I think this is a really crucial video, specifically for the discussion at the end with debate channels and tate. Tate has somewhat disrupted the modern social imaginary, both in the real world and the digital. So I think the insight at the end about what a true social sphere is and how to reach true productive discourse is an important thing to think about, rather than saying things to fit together with people.
This is the wrong move here, there is a reason why someone like Andrew Tate could grow such an audience in the first place, instead of trying to deal with the underlying problems affecting the community overall they decided to silence the guy but that doesnt change the reality:
- There is a power dynamic in relantionships that are more favorable to women than man.
- The new age plataform like twitch and only fans allow for women to amass a great level of money, money their male counterpart cant reach.
- This doesnt mean it afects everyone but they are people that care about this stuff, and thats creats a toxic interaction where some men feel uncorfotable with.(im not saying its right or wrong)
- With the way many people work nowadays one of the ways people can date is trough online dating apps like Tinder where the ratio for male to female interation is not equal.
There is more examples and issues to talk but its no wonder someone like Andrew Tate who as charisma and is confident on the BS he speaks could have taken such a massive reach silencing him is just paving the way for others and a quick bandage to something thats been afecting people for a while.
The reason people like Tate even exist is because there is no discourse and if you say the wrong things you will be censored.
@@ponternal thousand of people support this man how is a ban going to stop the message he delivered, now he knows he as a market and theres is tons of ways to jeep making money behind a pay wall that now thousand of people who are hooked have no choice but to pay its such a dumb way to deal with people like Andrew Tate.
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Couldn't of said it any better Lud.
Misinformation is a terrifying thing.
Especially terrifying when only one side of the misinformation is getting the hate…Andrew Tate deserved it but so do all the female influencers doing the same thing to men
Misinformation only ever gets called out on one side. If Donald Trump accidentally misspeaks once in a 3 hour press conference, the NYT, Washington Post, Vox, Huffington Post, and CNN will get the lie trackers going. But Joe Biden, Fauci, Hillary Clinton, and Nancy Pelosi can lie and smear all they want with absolute impunity.
@@giovannireyes1572 like Hollywood actresses.....they make me puke my guts out
How is being sexist misinformation it’s facts
@@giovannireyes1572 I agree, but let’s just be happy that action was taken. It’d be nice if they actually enforced their own rules properly, but it’s better than nothing being done at all.
Lud, I just wanna say how much I respect you for standing firm on your beliefs even when you've experienced a meteoric rise to success. I believe you're exactly who you present yourself to be.
@@Dan-yk2sv W
@@Dan-yk2sv so because he gets views and money from this his arguments don’t count anymore?
My guy, by that same logic you shouldn’t listen to anyone on TH-cam, news, tik tok, internet articles and basically anything because everyone does it to get views and money
@@Dan-yk2sv And so is Andrew. In conclusion, stop watching tate.
@@zenon1177 tate fans trying to use words other than W and Matrix challenge: impossible
Honestly, Lud has the best, most thought out and sound take I’ve heard yet about this whole ass mess of a man and his blessed deplatforming
Lud said racist jokes too. But let's talk only the good things about him
@@adrielarron6837 But who's did more? yea Andrew Tate
@@RainerOOF who did more the streamer who is nice when the camera is turn on or the millionaire that is getting ban from a site that promotes pornography or nude pictures from a million of women? I don't know probably the second one
@@adrielarron6837 if you dislike Ludwig so much idk why you spend your time watching and commenting on his video, seems a little counterintuitive to me
@@kellycee I dislike that he is jumping into this topic for more cloud, saying what people wanted to hear instead of what they must hear. Sorry if i made you think that way bro
One of the primary reasons I feel that social media platform bans seem so inconsistent or vague is that people will always try to dance around whatever line in the sand is made. If a platform states that you cant promote misogynistic ideals and even lay out what exactly is misogynistic, people will find some way to try to circumvent that rule. For example you could frame a question in a way to generate a misogynistic response without actually saying anything, or continuously sprinkle in small messages that are meant to reinforce a misogynistic mindset. Neither is breaking the rule because you aren't explicitly stating anything misogynistic, but the effects are there, and no amount of additional rules are going to stop them from trying to push these boundaries. Its a tough trade off, because the more you're transparent with your rules, the more these guys are able to dance around it, and the more you make the rules vague, the easier it is to justify these bans but you add frustration that honest creators have to deal with.
And that my friend is today's f-ked up society!
not reading all that ngl
@@dojidotti699 basically it says all Internet people are fked to some degree
@@kalnptr goodlooks
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"what color is your bugatti"
Never been more excited to see a title
Deadass
What color is your bougati!
no 🧢
Ikr finally
I can’t believe ZuckerFUCK banned my alpha ruler truly a terrible moment in our history
Platform bans are as consistent as my sleep schedule
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This Mogul Mail was actually such a banger I'm so impressed that you one-taked this
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Debating Tate publicly isn’t for him, it’s for the people listening that might be having similar ideas but aren’t as committed to it. You have to show people the flaws in the logic, not just say he’s bad and wrong. You are never gonna end sexism is one swoop, it’s about steadily showing people their way of thinking is outdated and has no merit.
It’s gonna come
Back eventually lol
@@86kickass but hopefully reverse ☕️
Maybe we just gotta change our way of discussing topics on TH-cam. Arguing between two parties takes you nowhere if the other party isn't willing to listen and instead revert back to their safe spheres to echo their worldview to those who also agree with them.
@@86kickass Whoopsies i guess he got banned off all platforms 🥱
@@ireallylikenuggets9490 yeah but that doesn’t kill the message. He got popular for a reason. Two more Andrew Tates are gonna spring up
I commented this on hasan’s video but it needs to be said here too. As a woman it’s so terrifying seeing thousands of comments praising a dangerous misogynistic guy. We already have to be cautious, but now even more so. I’m glad that creators like you and Hasan can see right through his bullshit and be a decent human being, and their chat rooms too. It gives us some comfort that not every man is out to get us
Also thanks for touching points no creator has done yet about not once specific thing he was banned for, was curious about that. And showing how companies can use it to make them look good
I agree. At least this Tate guy is exposing all the other terrible men who support him. Red flags everywhere.
I don't think he changed them I think they finally found someone with following that agrees with them.
I'm not a woman, so I can't say anything about the terrifying part. I can understand your point of view though. As a man, however...I find it baffling that someone actually thinks like this. I just learned about this Andrew Tate guy like last week and have been reading up on him. It just blows my mind that people can find this even remotely acceptable. So glad I don't know anyone who actually likes this guy (that I know of). I seriously think I would drop them as friends if I ever heard anyone praise him.
You’re afraid of words on the internet. That’s insane.
Aba and Preach did a perfect video on Andrew Tate it's their most recent one about his ban. They address how toxic he is while consequently addressing why he exists and how banning him from multiple platforms is a useless and futile effort.
Thank you Lud for saying it how it is. No BS just giving both arguments and saying why you think one side is better but still emphasising that you aren't guaranteed to be right, it's just an opinion as all views are
"winning an argument against a smart person is hard, but winning an argument against a dumb person is impossible"
~someone, I forgot who
Albert Einstein
Magafuli
Albert mandela
@Benjamin Linnes borgeres
@Benjamin Linnes borgeres
andrew tate is basically the human version of "boys rule girls drool"
edit: me reading the replies 2 months later: 🤨🍿
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Facts
What color is your Bugatti
@@cool358 where's your father figure
@@zackyute7546 beautiful reply
Gotta love Ludwig talking about media literacy and the seeking of information for confirmation bias
You know that Andrew Tate is really bad when Dave Portnoy is the voice of reason in their interview
"It’s hard to win an argument with a smart person, but it’s damn near impossible to win an argument with a stupid person" - Bill Murray
Why do you have to 'win'? Maybe that is the problem if you enter discourse with those intentions.
this was incredibly based, he’s def been asking his friends, thinking, and learning a lot about these nuanced issues. Going beyond just the first thing that pops into his mind and reframing the conversation into issues that matter
tate didn't take any different point of view from others seriously and he would geniunely spend his time making fun of what the opposing side said so he Def didn't show real *sportsmanship* when it comes to podcasts or arguments. that doesn't mean he wasn't improving it just means he wasn't showing any of that WHEN HE WAS TALKING with other people. all you would see or hear form him whilst with others is his best efforts to make himself right and others just wrong never trying to actually hear them out
Lud continues to gain my respect on so many levels. He's so well spoken and uses it to discuss issues such as this.
"The idea that truth prevails in the public sphere has repeatedly been proven false. People just move to spheres that agree with their truth."
Insanely powerful statement. As someone from the Ph*******es, this statement speaks volumes.
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Hands down the best mogul mail I’ve ever watched. I found myself audibly agreeing with you throughout the whole video and I really liked the point about online debates only purpose being to change the audiences world views not the actual debaters. Really good at using that english major to put this all into words Lud 👏
Yeah banning and silencing people. Really the right way to go! Keep vigorously agreeing to all that.
Honestly, Ludwig is so well spoken, succinct, and on the money. One of the best news outlets out there alongside Phillip Defranco.
Yoo Famm I’m a small content creator, and I make a variety of entertaining reactions, vlogs, and a range Of other content and I’m still working on quality but I guarantee you will find something you will enjoy🙏🏾‼
Tate being banned is kinda cool ngl
So no free speech
@@wenchiemedina2389 he's free to speak elsewhere :)
@@wenchiemedina2389 so no head?
@@wenchiemedina2389 what color is your bougati?
@@wenchiemedina2389 even free speech has limits. You can’t just say online “this group of people are what’s ruining the world” or “this person group of people do not deserve to exist” cause that can be classified as hate speech
the best mogul mail outro by far, keep it up luddy
Finally he's gone and people from my class won't say he's the "top G"
Damn, i atleast hope they have stopped by now?
@@rosekrababbel7042u do know he is back right lol.
@@nirogalactoid8398 and?
Tate is a G stay mad beta
@@Sigma-Gamer-999 You aren't old enough to use TH-cam.
You make a lot of really great points in this video, and I was so incredibly disappointed to see so many creators taking the “centrist” or outright opposing position to Tate’s ban. The idea that people like Tate who are INCREDIBLY extremist public figures can change implies that people like Tate want to listen to the people they claim to hate and view as less than people. It also completely fails to take into account that Tate and other people with platforms like his are at the end of the day salespeople. A debate that thousands of people show up to and listen to his sales pitch of his product (whether theyre there to laugh at him or not, and the product in this case being their subscription both to his ideals and the shit that makes him money) is only ever going to benefit people like him because it’s getting the name out there. You’re so right in that none of these creators show up to a debate to change their minds or even listen to the person they’re debating. They’re there to advertise and there to reinforce their existing fanbase’s idea that the opposing side is irrational and stupid (while obviously, framing it in a way to where Tate’s side (for example) is mocking them and coming out on top by being “funny” or “level headed”) No group of people who’s only response to criticism is bugatti jokes and blatant misogyny/general hate speech to devalue the opinion of their criticizers is ever going to “talk it out” or change from a slap on the wrist. They’ll just become sneakier or use it to fit their narrative. While inconsistent and not an actually encompassing solution to the general problem, at this point in time banning creators like Tate is really the only solution that works, and it doesn’t even silence him like his fans think it does. Just makes it a LITTLE harder to access his content.
@Daniel Foodist Man cry harder
@Daniel Foodist Man thats crazy you say that because the point in this video isn’t something Tate alone can disprove without a complete change in attitude lol. how would he prove that he’s willing to listen to criticism and can function in a normal conversation or that he isn’t completely bigoted and sexist when his behavior shows that he can’t listen to criticism and that he thinks women are property lmfao
for one, tate was not born a misogynist, he was taught it, which means it can be untaught. and banning him is completely ineffective anyway. it just forces him to spew his rhetoric in a place where it can fester even faster because it will be his own little bubble. Donald Trump is a perfect example of this, he has been effectively deplatformed and still causes problems every day because it was ineffective and just gave him an excuse to make his own safe space for all the hate that he spews.
"You make a lot of really great points in this video, and I was so incredibly disappointed to see so many creators taking the “centrist” or outright opposing position to Tate’s ban." I mean at the end of the day you are censoring speech, if you support those kinds of things then you just support censoring freedom of speech. Just because you dislike the opinion doesn't mean you need to censor it, you are guys are literally moving in a direction where people will be able to censor anything just because they dislike the opinion. I mean we been moving in that direction for years but what ev.
@@Dayz671 while i understand the theory behind this point it kind of falls apart when you actually remember what freedom of speech means. having a massive platform on privatized social media sites is not a right, and freedom of speech is NOT freedom of consequence. while it may feel like censorship, as lud points out, the banning of andrew tate is really a drop in the pond, and he isn’t being silenced because he still can say the things hes saying! no one is stopping him from saying it- platforms are just limiting the people he is hurting and affecting. not so much censorship as it is the removal of hate speech- content that breaks those platforms terms of service. doxxing isnt allowed on any of those platforms either- you don’t see people saying that doxxers getting banned is limiting THEIR freedom of speech lol
His entire strategy is having thousands of other accounts post his clips to promote his MLM to get commissions. Banning his personal accounts does fuck all.
Yea true, but if his content is banned then those should get clapped too. At least Facebook *should* do it like like based on some of the other content I've seen, but honestly I'm surprised they did anything considering the stuff you see on that hellsite.
Ontop of that said clips are TikTok mainly no? Maybe some on IG and FB ig, but not the majority
It’s kinda more like a pyramid scheme. But yh I agree 😂
Its a good strat from a business point of view whether you like him or not 🤷♂️
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this is funny to watch after the final message
Common Tate L, his boyfriends are on high alert in the comments 💀
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Love the deeper analysis and not just "reporting the news/drama". Thx for the vid 🔥
Deeper analysis. Jesus wept. It's rote neo-liberalism horseshit.
Do you honestly believe that Tate was banned because he was hurting the success of the platforms he was on?
Do you think that that decision was purely a business one? You don't think the political climate we live in today
might actually have something to do with it?
Debating someone for whom you disagree isn't about changing your opponent's mind. It is about either educating the audience of two conflicting viewpoints and perhaps
changing SOME of their minds. Debate is healthy in a democracy. We need to be able to engage in ideas how matter how good or bad and either dismantle with logic
or solidify them furter.
The important thing to do is to expose people like Tate by shedding light on how poor his argument is. If he is not backing his arguments with empirical data, science, statistics, etc
than point it out to the audience and let them come to their own conclusions. How does banning a guy expose him though? IT seems to have the opposite effect.
7:00 reminds me of valkyrae and her blue light scam
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The ending on this was fantastic, made me question this whole "Mogul Mail" thing we got going on here
Ludwig is basically the other side of Andrew tate. He’s just a LA random loser who got lucky with twitch. But now he’s influencing young kids that it’s okay to just silence everyone with a world view that you think is dangerous. 👍
@@ninjabobbob8090 🤓
@@ninjabobbob8090 what is your point?
That's why I approach the videos with a critical thinking mindset. They're comments on certain topics and as such are heavily portraying Ludwig's opinion. That isn't necessarily a bad thing but you have to keep this in mind. Regardless the videos are a great way of keeping up with stuff that happens and I don't disagree with a lot because even though I don't like Ludwig that much he mostly is a reasonable guy. So the real problem when consuming content that contains the opinion of the creator in a promoting manner is to keep this in mind and not just consume without thinking
@@ninjabobbob8090 i /almost/ took this serious until i realized your name is fucking ninjabob lmao
Public discourse will continue to be awful until we have basic rhetoric & logic lessons in school. If kids were primed better to deal with the blatant fallacies in tate's arguments he would not be nearly as successful
15 years ago they were teaching us how to determine reputable webpages in elementary school. Is this still a thing? I agree it seems like no one is learning critical thinking skills anymore
@@fangirl5940 To be fair, even those classes were pretty shit as well, they were super basic. I think the original post was talking more about something schools never have taught people about. How to debate, how to form reasonable arguments and views from many viewpoints, how to hold a productive conversation. Instead our schools are underfunded, our teachers are underpaid, and our textbooks are outdated rhetoric filled garbage. We talk more about the English kings in history class than about our recent US history. It's a shame but it's this way because it's easier to convince uneducated people to vote for you
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@@thatfriendlysquirrel actually working out creates certain chemicals in your brain that make you smarter, so the idea that intelligent people are skinny weaklings is a cope
@Daniel Foodist Man u need to shower bro.
Remove all sexists.
You should cope harder
@@kiran-thetributechannel You should stop suporting a sex trafficker
0:05 dont lump me in with them
Same
man straight up said he personally few into space to *try* not to look like a hypocrite 💀
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We just gotta let him die down, you can never convince his fans that his advice is just straight up stupid cause they'll never listen and will refuse to accept actual proof, you can't argue with a dumb person cause they'll never listen. I commented on Moguls last video on Andrew Tate and my replies were just filled with insults ignoring the points I made to make completely irrelevant ones, it just goes to show how following and praising a person can make you blind to the truth about them, you refuse to see the bad in that person in order to spare your feelings and what you want to believe. Thanks again for a video that goes deeper into this whole situation and how it actually works.
Pretty sure Tate is playing a character and is making money off of everyone. And ngl if ur child is influenced this easy to believing everything tate has stated just say ur not good at parenting it’s that simple.
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the rabbit hole he went in to lmao
Just as Ludwig said” Do you hear that”, a bolt of thunder hit the ground right outside the house. Ludwig is Zeus confirmed???
He is.
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I hate even hearing his voice, jesus
Ngl, the end scared me. Mostly because it was left unanswerd even though everybody knew the answer was yes. We don't want it to be yes, because propoganda is the easiest ever and also the hardest. If people will agree, then they will agree hard. But of they disagree, then they will disagree to an extreme turn. Because of these sphere's your bounced in; you always gain momentum. The only thing you can do is cut off the internet. Which is hard because we now need the internet for everything. Which includes news. And now we are back to square 1
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I love Mogul mail your journalism is inspiring to watch 🤧
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Smart, eloquent, informed, honest and thoughtful. Even relevant for people not from the US, like me. I truly think you’re the best creator on this platform and will probably grow beyond it someday. Awesome.
I don’t really follow any TH-camrs, always thought I’m a bit too old for that, but you’re definitely an exception. Keep it up.
I've realized this with my life that you can't change how people view things. It's either their self realization that makes the change or something bad happens in their life that forces them to make the change
Amazing video that puts my thoughts over the last 2 years into words. A phenomenal Mogul Mail today :)
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I certify this as a classic ludwig w.
That man hit record numbers that most youtubers could only dream of
The absolute chaos at the end of that 😂😂
James Charles is a great example of getting demonetized and then losing millions of views.
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Same thing that SomeOrdinaryGamers said about it through his whole video on Andrew. "I'm here to talk to the fans of Andrew Tate, not the man himself. There's no point in trying to talk to someone like him cause its not going to matter what I say, he wont listen."
your jaw is looking sharp king
Love hearing your take on things like this lud, keep up the great work on the mogal mail channel!
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I just want one thing, TH-cam SHORTS WITHOUT RANDOM SIGMA MALE SHORTS OF ANDREW TATE OR ANY OTHER DOGSHIT GUY THAT I DON'T CARE ABOUT.
It's everywhere like vermin. It's crazy how many accounts there are that post shit like that.
No cap
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3:00 my guy predicted sneako's rise
As a 14 year old male of the species homo sapien I would like to express my extreme gratitude to whoever decided that Tate needed to go, as this seemed like an issue and the more insecure people of my age probably would latch on to the things he was saying and that wouldn't be pretty
rare male w
Andrew tate is part of the reason that my best friends friends started being incredibly misogynistic and mean to her, I dislike tate to my very core.
He is a good man 👍🏼
@@acegaming7336 no he isn't.
@@abeIIe I'm right in the middle he's for sure not a good person but he has some good takes just none of the ones about women are good
@@abeIIe he is rich and donates and help other people
@@acegaming7336 yes but does that excuse the misogynistic takes?
The journalist in Ludwig really came out in this video. The point he made about people moving spheres to agree with their truth is excellent.
Love these type of videos man! Keep doing more bro!
The video has been out for 5 minutes bro you haven't even watched it all yet 😂
You haven't... seen the video..?
I’m the top G
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You have twitch/youtube streamers who are literally sexual predators and they never get deplatformed from anything. One guy speaks out his mind and all of the sudden its a huge problem. Dogshit times.
Tate didn't only speak his mind but promoted abuse towards other women. Both situations are terrible.
No he didn't
@@bardanmalla193 Mans a human trafficker like what
@@Firnren source : trust me bro
you’re so real for this
I actually feel bad for Tate the way he talked about his father sounded kind of verbally abusive, and clearly that has affected his life in a large way.
There's better people to feel bad for 👍
Like father, like son, as they say.
@@imYuramei facts
Not just his father. He was a broke kickboxing champion. Definitely been through a lot.
Felt the mental breakdown at the end on an emotional level
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I just can't imagine a human being that hatefull, but that's what the world is.
You’re talking about his haters right?
Bro skipped history class
@@Yungmills 🤣bro, you just saying sarcasm right?
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Might i say that the first word lud said
"thats the sound of a million 14 year old bous crying"
IS EXACTLY HOW MY FRIEND REACTED TO THIS
Andrew Tate fans: 🤓 Ludwig enjoyers: 😎
😎
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I’ve been in a pretty bad mental state for the past 2 months, but I recently found this channel and it’s been slightly helping me through it.
I’m not really sure if you read comments, but if you do, I want to thank you for it.
I’ve seen many things about this topic (Especially the sexism, literally brainwashing people, etc.) and it has honestly made things mentally worse. But seeing someone who actually has some common sense in all of this, and listening to your thoughts as if you were face-to-face with the viewer makes the content a lot better in my opinion.
Sorry for the rant, but thank you, and keep up the good work. Much love ❤️
LOL someone who talks about his live and experience with woman and how other guys can get women makes you metaly ill😂😂😂😂
@@Jerico1900 Yeah someone who's constantly insulting and degrading women mate
@@JonasFootball Show me one time he did that.
@@Jerico1900 Many, many times. If him getting banned off a couple different platforms didn’t point it out, idk what will.
@@Abasnail400 Than show me.
Nobody who likes andrew cares about him being banned on ig and fb, those weren't his biggest platforms
True. Facebook been dead & Instagram is on its dying bed rn (I honestly don't any person that uses it for anything besides checking friends' ig stories nowadays)
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Common Ludwig W, true gigachad video
one thing to consider when banning someone is that now, when kids watch his stuff on a different unmoderated platform, they're less likely to be recommended counter points from debates/interviews.
there's less people getting indoctrinated, but the existing fans may get more radicalised in an echo chamber
High impact frags.
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it's wild how andrew tate fans bash on twitter stans but are unironically 100x more annoying
Woah now let’s not compare anything to Twitter stand
“Holier-than-thou” vibes
The Most annoying thing Are These other Channels That promote his bs all you can do is „do not recoment“ but there so many omg!!
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This is a great video. I’m really tired of everyone trying to debate Tate (and I say that as someone who likes these creators). All they’re doing is helping him spread his message. Like you mentioned, look at the Alex Jones lawsuits going on right now. The truth does NOT prevail in the public sphere.
There’s a reason misogynists, nazis, etc. WANT you to debate them. It helps them. It platforms them. It elevates them and connects them with people who agree with them.
If you’re actually against Tate and what he stands for, don’t treat his views like they’re worth discussing. Don’t treat them like they’re equal ideas that deserve to be talked about.
Agreed, the best we can do is ignore him a weather the storm. Like a fire he needs constant attention to keep his content and fanbase alive, when we leave him alone for long enough all that will be left is ash smoke
“My shovel of a wife” took me out 💀 How do people idolize this man?
because he brings truths to light and goes against the lies and bs
@@StarJumper01 Lol
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he funny too
I feel like luds point on consistency is key but the major corps and social platforms don’t have any which is a big problem
"You can't be responsible for something without authority." Except if the person is over 18, YOU ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THEM! There are dependents, but that's some who relies on YOU. You aren't responsible for them, you no chin pleb. He legit annoys me. Just can't believe he got big cause he drives cars and has a few million bucks.
He annoys u cuz hes big rn and he doesnt agree with u and ur fav ytubers world wiev free speech doesnt exist on social media no moe this shit sucks this place is to liberal
@SeriousPhilipe Also, it doesn't help that he pushes his dumbass mentality into areas I engage with, such as F1.
@SeriousPhilipe don’t know why you’re pressed about a comment that has nothing to do with you ? Hmmm
@SeriousPhilipe I will meet his fans, who mindlessly parrot the shit he says. you're not smart.
@SeriousPhilipe but you’re pressed about a man’s criticism of another man , so it really isn’t different. Hypocritical and unintelligent, in fact.
I just burst out laughing when I saw Bucke just chillin there. 7:00
Andrew Tate is in Prison 🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂Now he is a professional Fluffer
Idk why but I like it when he pointed at me lol
Common Tate W
L.