Awesome to hear Doves get a mention - they were my favourite band until I discovered Porcupine Tree (still love them) - and I love that Steven and Tim could appreciate Lost Souls. It has a sound all its own, part northern soul, part cinematic soundscape, part indie rock, drenched in atmosphere.
I'm 51 years old, and 2010, for me, was an important year for The Album, especially in the alternative rock genre. The National (High Violet) Spoon (Transference) are just two examples. These are not debut albums but both propelled these bands into "near" mainstream. Consider exploring 2010. LOVE the Podcast!!!!!!
Anyone who loves Broadcast should keep an eye on my uploads, I have lots of rare live footage that is a bitch for me to upload...I only got a few things on so far, but I've found full concerts shot with real camera equipment which I even showed to the band after the show and they were pretty impressed...just sayin'...and hearing Steven Wilson talking about them makes me happy...they were brilliant and spooky, and very nice people. It's so sad it was over so quickly. th-cam.com/video/bkokhcdIHw0/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=X-RoyTube
17:15 I understand what Steven is saying, but to me he is genuinely one of my favorite singers of all time. I just love his tone of voice so much, and it was from the get go, when I first heard a PT song. Such a pleasant and new sounding voice in the "prog" scene I thought. Don't sell yourself short Steven, there are lots of singers that can do all these vocal gymnastics, but YOU have a sound that I think is pretty unique. I've never heard anyone say something nasty about your singing.
1 1/2 episodes in did not know this podcast existed and both of you have talked about some of my fave all time artists already so well....loving it....and i look forward to diving into past and future episodes. 👍👍👍 Also loving the fact Steve enjoys some of my fave artists or knows about them well (Sunno, God Speed You! Black Emperor, Goldfrapp, Faust, Iron Maiden etc.)....metalheads take note the man who produced Blackwater Park has opinions and loves alot of different music!!! 👏👏👏 Feels weird to say it but year 2000 feels so old now.... And Broadcast!!!! Love them - they are amazing. Have everything by them.
My first time listening to the podcast. I know half of these albums, and I'm grateful to discover the other half. Lovely conversation, and great recommendations!! 🙂🙂🙂
Glad to see these two giving ‘ KID A ‘ its due respect. Considering Radiohead had gone in a different direction from Ok Computer, I think KID A was exceptional. It was a bold move, but a successful one. Another mark of that excellent, innovative band.
I admire the fearlessness and comfort with these criticisms of albums I accepted in the vacuum of what was around them. I especially mean this in regards to how hard you were on U2. LOL. My only defense here is that I can hear how Radiohead and moreso, Smashing Pumpkins, influenced some of what I think I hear in this project. The other thing I like about U2 as the go forward from this point through the rest of it, sort of like Neil Finn in this regard: they right lyrics (not Elevation, itself, of course) about what life is like for them at the point - as parents, as people who find out they age and as people who loose close family and friends. Later, Bono has a line that was perfect for 2006: it's you when I look in the mirror; it's you when I don't pick up the phone. Certain things have to happen to you for you to write about that kind of thing. Nothing is ever going to equal Unforgettable Fire, but I don't hate anything after it and I always learn something. Still, don't mind me. This show is fantastic. Keep at it.
For me there's only one band that imitate the Beatle's way of how progresive you can get when you work hard in your music and that's Radiohead. But it's must said those two bands had an extra member: the record producer.
Love the new format guys - please keep the show going! Any chance for a 90s one after this (perhaps 91 or 94) ? It’s been a while and your thoughts on mbv, slint, talk talk, portishead and nin have been missed :D
What makes OK Computer so good is the fact it holds more relevance today than it did in 1997. KiD A is the greatest left turn in Music history. That album is a 21st century classic.
love the show guys! Surprised you didn't discuss Godspeed You! Black Emperor's Lift Yr. Skinny Fists Like Antennas to Heaven! which I think is a brilliant record. Also, Lightbulb Sun!!!
Great first part! Not counting on it, but it would be crazy to hear them cover Hybrid Theory by Linkin Park, which also released in 2000 (I know it’s not really a genre both of them like, lol 😂).
Black Box Recorder, now there's a blast from the past. Will have to listen to them again. The track associated with Billie Eilish is "Child Psychology" from BBR's 1998 album. I love Billie Eilish for things like this. She has also introduced her fans to Catherine Wheel and their lead singer and writer, Rob Dickinson, through her covers of I Want To Touch You and The End of The World (brilliant track). Apparently her parents were big fans of that era of Indie music.
I think people were cynical about U2 initially because of Rattle and Hum. I think that’s where the ‘careerist’ allegations came into it. If you watch the movie and listen to the record I do believe it’s U2 being amazed by the music and the country and allowing it to shape their output. They were accused of all kinds of nonsense with Rattle and Hum. The fact that they came from Ireland and all of the geographical, sociopolitical machinations of that meant America was a massive deal for them. R and H and the JT is about the discovery of this other land. It’s about reverence for and exploration of but also criticism of - Bullet the Blue Sky, Mother’s of the Disappeared etc. The real problem with U2 is that they haven’t made a decent album in years. No Line on the Horizon was the last interesting thing they did.
I agree fully with the first part of your post. U2 have always been fans of other artists, and they have done some incredible collaborations with others through the years. I think they were truly enamored by America, the blues, country and gospel. I would say that you should give some proper listening to the last two albums. I like them better than All That and Atomic Bomb. The biggest crime is the Edge not doing what he does best on these albums, but still some great songs.
Funny how Steven Wilson has not listened to Standing On the Shoulder of Giants by Oasis and he worked with Mark Feltham and Paul Stacey on To The Bone (specifically the title track sounds a lot like 2000s Oasis)
I never loved Doves, liked tracks, but it was never enough. As Tim mentioned, their earlier electronic beginning (as Sub Sub) was for me a lot better, albeit, much more limited in releases. I'd definitely be interested in re-investigating Doves in whole. Re: Radiohead, they definite borrow more expertly than others, are more talented than most, and Thom is always searching for the next interesting thing (which maybe why he wouldn't think the "album years" ends at the turn of the century because he's still finding stuff a few months before many others (and in many cases helping these albums to blow up). Never checked out Chris Morris, description sounds quite interesting. Fully agree w/ Steve re: GAS/Wolfgang Voigt. Love Broadcast. Still miss them even though they kind of haven't gone away (loving demos will be released, hating it'll be likely the last we hear from them). Trish is ever so missed. In describing the quality of her voice, they miss the content of her lyrics which fit in any era while the voice harkens to the 50s-60s and as Tim said, the electronics are futuristic. I didn't distrust U2's motives (they're a rock band, c'mon), I just thought they got boring and became the "wallpaper music" Bono used to be famously quoted for saying in interviews before they became the biggest rock band in the world.
Great podcast and enjoyed the thoughtful discussion. I do take exception to one part regarding U2. You said that everyone wanted to be Radiohead and U2 was no exception. I think you have your timeline off. Achtung Baby was released in 1991 and Zooropa in 93, before Radiohead had even released a proper album. What is apparent is that The Bends and Ok Computer were substantially influenced by Achtung and Zooropa.
I totally agree about Radiohead being influenced by U2 on The Bends and OK Computer (which is mentioned at some point in the podcast), but I think it's possible that - in turn - U2 were subsequently inspired by Radiohead's work that was more traditionally 'Rock Quartet' based. Ok Computer was massive and it was difficult to avoid at the time.
Enjoyed AYs first venture on to TH-cam. Can I point out an editing school boy error. The Gas record was displayed while you were talking about Boards of Canada 😮.
@thealbumyearspodcast Speaking of U2, you have not mentioned the Passengers record, which they made with Brian Eno between Zooropa and Pop. It is their weirdest and most experimental album, featuring some of their most atmospheric and elaborate sonic soundscapes, with the songwriting being particular strong in the first half of the album, with some amazing tracks such as Your Blue Room, Slug, Miss Sarajevo and Beach Sequence (no cheesy Elevation lyrics there!). Highly recommended!
Love Radiohead and in-depth Radiohead talk! Oasis - most overrated 90's band Doves - most underrated 90's band. Coldplay - hated the direction they went in after Parachutes. A stunning debut.
I thought Coldplay's first 3 albums were all good, before they went the 'pop' direction. There are a few decent later songs after the first 3, but mostly forgettable.
Kid A es un fantastico album!! Radiohead es una de mis bandas favoritas; el disco de coldplay esta bastante bien, que bien la mencion de standing on the shoulder de oasis buen album!!
From the perspective of doing a side project yes, but somehow sounds more serious than ironic. I mean, songs like miss Sarajevo and blue room are closer to the mood of ATYCLB
I thought Kid A was superior to OK computer upon release as well 🎉. I was in the minority at the time 😂. And I loved the Doves album. Knew nothing of Doves at the time and bought the CD from a local shop based on the cover 🎉
What's interesting about Coldplay for me is that I liked them less with every new album, so 'Parachutes' is my favourite. There's great songs on newer albums as well, but the debut album was the strongest overall imo
Good show, nice to have the visuals ... being Irish, I'll chime in too on the U2 piece - I'm not U2s biggest fan but I agree that the lads are way off the mark on this one, as stated in the other comments - this album is the last great U2 record ... oh, and the country is called Ireland, not "Southern Ireland" 😉
Surely it's The Republic Of Ireland? 🙂 I'm a quarter Irish (my grandmother was from County Mayo) and I had an Irish girlfriend for many years, so I've spent a fair bit of time in the country. That doesn't make me an expert on U2, of course.
Send us your album reviews and questions for inclusion on future episodes of The Album Years, we'd love to hear from you! fanlist.com/thealbumyears
steven in his social media popstar icon era
Have been an avid listener on Spotify since the beginning, however i'm very much looking forward to watching these two music nerds on video!
Doves “Lost Souls” is one of my favorite albums from this year, I played that album to death when it came out.
Agreed! Brilliant record! Sea Song!! Geneva 'Weather Underground' too.
Awesome to hear Doves get a mention - they were my favourite band until I discovered Porcupine Tree (still love them) - and I love that Steven and Tim could appreciate Lost Souls. It has a sound all its own, part northern soul, part cinematic soundscape, part indie rock, drenched in atmosphere.
can't believe it's been almost 3 years since this podcast started. it's helped me discover so much music, thanks Tim and Steven!
What's the best way to access their content and album lists? They don't have everything on TH-cam apparently
Please keep doing the video version of this, its great :)
Hell yeah, great to have this on TH-cam, hope this keeps going!
I'm 51 years old, and 2010, for me, was an important year for The Album, especially in the alternative rock genre. The National (High Violet) Spoon (Transference) are just two examples. These are not debut albums but both propelled these bands into "near" mainstream. Consider exploring 2010. LOVE the Podcast!!!!!!
The Doves, Radiohead and Broadcast top that bunch for me. The Doves catalog is brilliant Steven, surprised you didn't know them.
Doves is top tier... The layering is immense, Steven would really appreciate the production for sure.
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Doves. Absolute class.
Anyone who loves Broadcast should keep an eye on my uploads, I have lots of rare live footage that is a bitch for me to upload...I only got a few things on so far, but I've found full concerts shot with real camera equipment which I even showed to the band after the show and they were pretty impressed...just sayin'...and hearing Steven Wilson talking about them makes me happy...they were brilliant and spooky, and very nice people. It's so sad it was over so quickly.
th-cam.com/video/bkokhcdIHw0/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=X-RoyTube
I love this TH-cam video. Big fan of the podcasts but this is even better and very well produced too.
I can listen to the Radiohead analysis for hours more. Wonderful job! More RH please - breakdown How to Disappear Completely...
17:15 I understand what Steven is saying, but to me he is genuinely one of my favorite singers of all time. I just love his tone of voice so much, and it was from the get go, when I first heard a PT song. Such a pleasant and new sounding voice in the "prog" scene I thought. Don't sell yourself short Steven, there are lots of singers that can do all these vocal gymnastics, but YOU have a sound that I think is pretty unique. I've never heard anyone say something nasty about your singing.
definitely would love to hear more about how your own music fit into the picture
1 1/2 episodes in did not know this podcast existed and both of you have talked about some of my fave all time artists already so well....loving it....and i look forward to diving into past and future episodes. 👍👍👍
Also loving the fact Steve enjoys some of my fave artists or knows about them well (Sunno, God Speed You! Black Emperor, Goldfrapp, Faust, Iron Maiden etc.)....metalheads take note the man who produced Blackwater Park has opinions and loves alot of different music!!! 👏👏👏
Feels weird to say it but year 2000 feels so old now....
And Broadcast!!!! Love them - they are amazing. Have everything by them.
My first time listening to the podcast. I know half of these albums, and I'm grateful to discover the other half. Lovely conversation, and great recommendations!! 🙂🙂🙂
Great podcast. I compiled an 'Album Years 2000 playlist' on Spotify to go along with this
I think this podcast is going to lead to a lot of purchases😂
Another brilliant show and really happy these episodes are coming out regularly now. And delighted The Strawbs got a mention!
Wow! Look at you, literally! Love it
I was fine with the podcast... handy to listen to while driving. But it's great to to hang out with Tim and Steven.
Wasn't aware of a podcast on Spotify so I shall be giving those a listen. Very pleased Chris Morris got a mention. I look forward to hearing more
This is better than the telly! 👍
Glad to see these two giving ‘ KID A ‘ its due respect. Considering Radiohead had gone in a different direction from Ok Computer, I think KID A was exceptional. It was a bold move, but a successful one. Another mark of that excellent, innovative band.
Next level album years! Been listening since pod 1 and LOVE this evolution. Thank you for continuing to feed our musical XP with your experiences!
I’m so excited to SEE you guys talk!
I LOVE this podcast, I really hope you keep doing this on video. Thank you very much for all the music you have recommended!! 😃
Wow! You included Broadcast and Gas with Radiohead, Oasis, U2, and Coldplay. I'm on board.
Im very glad for u to upload the whole episode for free
I hope they'll talk about Ulver's Perdition City in the next episode
I admire the fearlessness and comfort with these criticisms of albums I accepted in the vacuum of what was around them. I especially mean this in regards to how hard you were on U2. LOL. My only defense here is that I can hear how Radiohead and moreso, Smashing Pumpkins, influenced some of what I think I hear in this project. The other thing I like about U2 as the go forward from this point through the rest of it, sort of like Neil Finn in this regard: they right lyrics (not Elevation, itself, of course) about what life is like for them at the point - as parents, as people who find out they age and as people who loose close family and friends. Later, Bono has a line that was perfect for 2006: it's you when I look in the mirror; it's you when I don't pick up the phone. Certain things have to happen to you for you to write about that kind of thing. Nothing is ever going to equal Unforgettable Fire, but I don't hate anything after it and I always learn something. Still, don't mind me. This show is fantastic. Keep at it.
Radiohead were always way ahead of everybody else.
Except creep
For me there's only one band that imitate the Beatle's way of how progresive you can get when you work hard in your music and that's Radiohead.
But it's must said those two bands had an extra member: the record producer.
A British-centric group of albums on this episode, even more than usual! Great to have the visual version option!
So happy to hear Steven namecheck Orville the Duck, proper bucket list moment that 😄
So glad youre doing with video now. Thank you both for the great music and for always helping me discover or rediscover great music. Cheers 🍻
Been a massive fan of the podcast, so I'm stoked for this to be on TH-cam now. Awesome!
What a treat! Thanks for this
Thanks for this!!!
Excellent video production values, chaps... although I'd expect nothing less from you two 😉
Love the new format guys - please keep the show going!
Any chance for a 90s one after this (perhaps 91 or 94) ? It’s been a while and your thoughts on mbv, slint, talk talk, portishead and nin have been missed :D
Best podcast! And great to see a video of it
excelent episode!
Love to see ! A pity however how it ends… when is part 2 coming??
Recently the Podcasts have been weekly and posted on a Tuesday late in the day.
Spotify and these two blocks are the best way to discover new names.
You meant "blokes", right? Lol
T9
What makes OK Computer so good is the fact it holds more relevance today than it did in 1997.
KiD A is the greatest left turn in Music history. That album is a 21st century classic.
I think Talk Talk making The Colour of Spring is a much bigger left turn
Cool to have these great convo’s on YT
Stephen’s remix of The Manics’ ‘1985’ is my song of this year. Tremendous.
Just discovered this. Brilliant.
The new start with my birth year
please, more on TH-cam!
Subscribed. ❤
Thumbs through the roof for Tim's mention of 'retro-futurism'!
Well, this is exciting.
Finally with visuals! After 30 years I learned how to pronounce Autechre which I was doing wrong all this time. I hope they do it correct.
love the show guys! Surprised you didn't discuss Godspeed You! Black Emperor's Lift Yr. Skinny Fists Like Antennas to Heaven! which I think is a brilliant record. Also, Lightbulb Sun!!!
shame on me - didn't realize there was a part 2 lol - more to watch and listen to for me! Thanks guys!
Very good show chaps.
I think the Wolfgang Voigt Gas quote is wanting to “bring the forest to the disco, or vice-versa”.
THE SMILE 🎉
Thanks for the tip on Gas!
Great first part! Not counting on it, but it would be crazy to hear them cover Hybrid Theory by Linkin Park, which also released in 2000 (I know it’s not really a genre both of them like, lol 😂).
U2's ATYCLB is huge. Steven's right about Elevation but songs like In a Little While and Wild Honey are just perfect.
An episode on grunge would be amazing❤
Really digging the video after all this time! Except that I'm not hearing the audio in Dolby Atmos. C'mon Steven!
Black Box Recorder, now there's a blast from the past. Will have to listen to them again.
The track associated with Billie Eilish is "Child Psychology" from BBR's 1998 album.
I love Billie Eilish for things like this. She has also introduced her fans to Catherine Wheel and their lead singer and writer, Rob Dickinson, through her covers of I Want To Touch You and The End of The World (brilliant track). Apparently her parents were big fans of that era of Indie music.
I think people were cynical about U2 initially because of Rattle and Hum. I think that’s where the ‘careerist’ allegations came into it. If you watch the movie and listen to the record I do believe it’s U2 being amazed by the music and the country and allowing it to shape their output. They were accused of all kinds of nonsense with Rattle and Hum. The fact that they came from Ireland and all of the geographical, sociopolitical machinations of that meant America was a massive deal for them. R and H and the JT is about the discovery of this other land. It’s about reverence for and exploration of but also criticism of - Bullet the Blue Sky, Mother’s of the Disappeared etc. The real problem with U2 is that they haven’t made a decent album in years. No Line on the Horizon was the last interesting thing they did.
I agree fully with the first part of your post. U2 have always been fans of other artists, and they have done some incredible collaborations with others through the years. I think they were truly enamored by America, the blues, country and gospel.
I would say that you should give some proper listening to the last two albums. I like them better than All That and Atomic Bomb. The biggest crime is the Edge not doing what he does best on these albums, but still some great songs.
Atomic Bomb is a perfect album
Funny how Steven Wilson has not listened to Standing On the Shoulder of Giants by Oasis and he worked with Mark Feltham and Paul Stacey on To The Bone (specifically the title track sounds a lot like 2000s Oasis)
I never loved Doves, liked tracks, but it was never enough. As Tim mentioned, their earlier electronic beginning (as Sub Sub) was for me a lot better, albeit, much more limited in releases. I'd definitely be interested in re-investigating Doves in whole. Re: Radiohead, they definite borrow more expertly than others, are more talented than most, and Thom is always searching for the next interesting thing (which maybe why he wouldn't think the "album years" ends at the turn of the century because he's still finding stuff a few months before many others (and in many cases helping these albums to blow up). Never checked out Chris Morris, description sounds quite interesting. Fully agree w/ Steve re: GAS/Wolfgang Voigt. Love Broadcast. Still miss them even though they kind of haven't gone away (loving demos will be released, hating it'll be likely the last we hear from them). Trish is ever so missed. In describing the quality of her voice, they miss the content of her lyrics which fit in any era while the voice harkens to the 50s-60s and as Tim said, the electronics are futuristic. I didn't distrust U2's motives (they're a rock band, c'mon), I just thought they got boring and became the "wallpaper music" Bono used to be famously quoted for saying in interviews before they became the biggest rock band in the world.
Great podcast and enjoyed the thoughtful discussion. I do take exception to one part regarding U2. You said that everyone wanted to be Radiohead and U2 was no exception.
I think you have your timeline off. Achtung Baby was released in 1991 and Zooropa in 93, before Radiohead had even released a proper album.
What is apparent is that The Bends and Ok Computer were substantially influenced by Achtung and Zooropa.
I totally agree about Radiohead being influenced by U2 on The Bends and OK Computer (which is mentioned at some point in the podcast), but I think it's possible that - in turn - U2 were subsequently inspired by Radiohead's work that was more traditionally 'Rock Quartet' based. Ok Computer was massive and it was difficult to avoid at the time.
Enjoyed AYs first venture on to TH-cam. Can I point out an editing school boy error. The Gas record was displayed while you were talking about Boards of Canada 😮.
keep working
I absolutely love you guys
Excelente y con subtitulos en español!!👏👏
@thealbumyearspodcast Speaking of U2, you have not mentioned the Passengers record, which they made with Brian Eno between Zooropa and Pop. It is their weirdest and most experimental album, featuring some of their most atmospheric and elaborate sonic soundscapes, with the songwriting being particular strong in the first half of the album, with some amazing tracks such as Your Blue Room, Slug, Miss Sarajevo and Beach Sequence (no cheesy Elevation lyrics there!). Highly recommended!
Thank you
Gas sounds like i've one in ear in a pond and the other pointed up into the trees.
Encuentro muchas similitudes con radiohead y con la musica de Steven a nivel de evolución musical, maravillosos ambos!!
Best music show on you tube 🤗
Love Radiohead and in-depth Radiohead talk!
Oasis - most overrated 90's band
Doves - most underrated 90's band.
Coldplay - hated the direction they went in after Parachutes. A stunning debut.
Based 👍
I thought Coldplay's first 3 albums were all good, before they went the 'pop' direction. There are a few decent later songs after the first 3, but mostly forgettable.
Steven Wilson summed up Kid A perfectly.
Love the video look😂😂😂
Kid A es un fantastico album!! Radiohead es una de mis bandas favoritas; el disco de coldplay esta bastante bien, que bien la mencion de standing on the shoulder de oasis buen album!!
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Tim's edits are so good!
Passengers was possibly the other experimental U2 album Steven was thinking of?
From the perspective of doing a side project yes, but somehow sounds more serious than ironic. I mean, songs like miss Sarajevo and blue room are closer to the mood of ATYCLB
I’ve struggled to engage with this episode… I haven’t been a fan of any of these artists but I will listen and rewatch.
I think you guys should do MOR stuff with a slight rock slant like Cutting Crew,Mr Mister and Foreigner from the 80s .
I thought Kid A was superior to OK computer upon release as well 🎉. I was in the minority at the time 😂. And I loved the Doves album. Knew nothing of Doves at the time and bought the CD from a local shop based on the cover 🎉
Steven was constantly interrupting during the conversation but the humour is epic.
nice
Please do Soundgarden!
White Pony by Deftones was an amazing album that year. Surprised they didn't discuss it.
What's interesting about Coldplay for me is that I liked them less with every new album, so 'Parachutes' is my favourite. There's great songs on newer albums as well, but the debut album was the strongest overall imo
I laughed when they completely passed over U2's 'How to Dismantle...'?
Good show, nice to have the visuals ... being Irish, I'll chime in too on the U2 piece - I'm not U2s biggest fan but I agree that the lads are way off the mark on this one, as stated in the other comments - this album is the last great U2 record ... oh, and the country is called Ireland, not "Southern Ireland" 😉
Surely it's The Republic Of Ireland? 🙂 I'm a quarter Irish (my grandmother was from County Mayo) and I had an Irish girlfriend for many years, so I've spent a fair bit of time in the country. That doesn't make me an expert on U2, of course.
How about y’all’s albums?
Why is SW's mic so much louder than TB's? Revenge for the interruption editing?
just might be, lol
Hi guys, did Steven notice the similarity between Sea Song by Doves and Drown With Me? 😁
I love albums the fan base weren’t so keen on. Kid A…Heritage and others. Not Love Beech tho 😂
I think if Doves had a ‘front man’ with a very distinct voice it would distract from the whole. And possibly be annoying.
La musica shoegaze tambien es una musica fantastica
Where are the other year episodes?
Talking about Broadcast, me thinks the first mention of Saint Etienne? which is kinda cool since Saint Etienne is one of my personal faves.