Really good rekkai lore and if ever piss i him off I now know he will kick butt and head at the same time I don't think syntell will ever hold a candle to him
The courage & sacrifice of Martha Jones has never been lost on this fan I can tell you. The dignified exit she has here is very underrated, she knew her own worth & Freema is still as youthful today at 45 to still come back too.. 🙏
Yeah, sometime during Season 1 of their rewatch, Syntell and Rekkai were talking about how hard it must be to walk away from the Tardis and the Doctor (I think in reaction to Rose telling her mum why she wants to keep traveling) and it made me think of Martha's exit, knowing that they would get to see someone actually choose to walk away from it. While Rose is right that traveling with the Doctor changes you, changes how you see and understand yourself, the universe, and humanity, Martha made the smart choice, to leave on her terms. She isn't forced to part from him like Rose was, or abandoned like Jack, or dropped off and forgotten like Sarah Jane. Mad respect to Martha for walking away when she could. On rewatches of this season, that is the scene that, more than anything, makes her my favorite companion, I think. Because she chose herself, and that is aspirational.
The face of Boe reveal was one of my favorite parts of this season outside of the masterpiece that is Blink. Freema and David Tenant did not know this was in the script and their reactions are real. I loved that Martha realized her worth and left on her own to do what’s best for her. Loving these Dr.who breakdowns! ❤
The abuse that poor Lucy Saxon got was lost on me as a Kid but that woman looks like she went through hell! 😬 The absolute savagery that Martha's family were made to witness the massacre of 1/10th of the Earth was something else 🤯
Agreed - most reactors seem to totally gloss over this aspect. Many don't notice the bruises on her face and body language in this episode assuming it is more about the slaughter of the huan race, not something personal. I think the actress does a great job and if you look carefully she is already showing how she is feeling trapped in the previous episode as early as when she is quizzed by the journalist
@@Lenkic13 yeah, unlike the Doctor's companions, her Time Lord with the Tardis could only take her to one destination in the future, and without all the wonderful things in-between the Present and the End, Lucy only got to see humanity's final flickers of light. It's clear her experience filled her with a nihilistic view of the world, with nothing else to counterbalance that. I do feel bad for Lucy too, although she helped facilitate the Master's rise to power, she was isolated from others while receiving little comfort from her partner, the Master. I thought her shooting him was a good mirror of Chantho shooting him at the end of Utopia; both iterations of the Master undone by his own companions, taken by surprise because he underestimated them, did not consider them as autonomous individuals but as extensions of himself.
Re: Martha’s brother. The actor who played him got some other job and became unavailable on most of the Doctor Who shooting dates in the back half of the season, so they had to write around his absence. That’s why he wins at hide and seek.
It’s so lovely to see Martha getting the appreciation she deserves ❤ It would never have worked between her & the doctor; his love language is saving people, and she didn’t need saving
The Master's been running on fumes for a long time. He used up all of his regenerations in 1976. Since then he's been stealing alien power sources in an attempt to extend his life. In the 1996 TV movie, he tried to steal the Eighth Doctor's remaining regenerations.
But he also tells The Doctor that the Time Lords "resurrected" him to fight in the Time War... the Professor Yana body could regenerate so he had at least once, so who knows?
@@OldManFerdiad, ye it's been confirmed the Master is on their 2nd regeneration cycle. The 18th incarnation played by Alex Macqueen was the beginning of the new cycle, making Sir Derek Jacobi the 2nd in the new cycle. Everyone from the Peter Pratt/Geoffrey Beavers "crispy" Master to the Eric Roberts Master is technically still the 13th incarnation, but to keep things simple (especially when there's multi-master events like "Masterful" or "The Ravenous") the numbering changes per actor after Beavers.
@@purpleduke3193 so I'm guessing for this 2nd regeneration cycle Alex Macqueen was 2.1 (is that Big Finish?), Jacobi 2.2, Simm 2.3, Missy 2.4, Dhawan 2.5 (and 2.6 if we count the 'forced regeneration', but who the hell knows how that works) plus potentially the new 'Tooth Master' too... yikes, they burn through incarnations almost as fast as The Doctor ;-) Gosh, funny to think that Delgado must have been incarnation 12 of his first cycle.
@@OldManFerdiad Yeah thats about right, Macqueen is one of the Big Finish exclusives. He debuts in the excellent 16 part "Dark Eyes" story, followed by the 6th Dr story "Vampire of the Mind" & 7th Dr multi- master story "The Two Master's" (those 2 are parts 2&3 of a small trilogy). He also appears in the Master's 50th anniversary celebration "Masterful". He's a nice balance between the unhinged Nu-Who versions and the original presence of Delgado and is worth the look if you have the time (& funds) So the new cycle goes 2.1) Macqueen 2.2) Jacobi 2.3) Simm 2.4) Gomez 2.5) McKee (as the Luminat) and 2.6) Dwann. Although, it's not been confirmed whether the Master has multiple lives as the Luminat or if Dwann is indeed the incarnation directly after or not.
This is why Martha Jones tops my rankings as a companion. She does not need the Doctor, she saves the world, and she even walks out on him. Hate to see her go...
@@IsiahBradley He really is great in so many roles. You might recognize him from another role, but he becomes whatever he needs to for whatever his current role is.
Martha Jones is one of the companions i hope we see comeback in some way. Not as a full companion ofcourse but as a guest star. Catch up a little bit see what she is up to now.
The boy who played "Creet" was a child competition winner from the BBC children's magazine show "Blue Peter" (who frequently have Dr Who associations) called "John Bell" however he wasn't told he would eventually become a Toclafane!!..& die trapped at the end of the universe!! 😂
I auditioned for that! I still have the video tape I sent in 😅😅 unfortunately whilst I was a very enthusiastic whovian I wasn’t the best actor! I remember being very envious of that kid when it aired!
I love that Martha left with dignity and it being her choice. She felt she wasn’t appreciated or treated right by the doctor and didn’t just take it anymore
Here’s the thing…I. The classic series it was very much shown that the Doctor doesn’t have human feelings. His quirks are alien because he is an alien and only looks like a human. In fact in the new Doctor who book series they show that Time Lords aren’t born they are created within the Great houses from a loom based on dna from previous time lords. So for him humans are only there so he doesn’t get lonely… his companions are really there just so he can show how smart he is and to keep him from becoming to dark. He doesn’t fall in love because that’s a human emotion. In fact the only reason he’s so protective of earth is to prevent alterations to fixed points in time due to his interference. In the classic series the time lord civilization still existed and kept the Doctor in check but would use him to ensure the timeline didn’t get jacked up. He’s a renegade time lord just like the Rani or the Master but he works to ensure time proceeds as it’s supposed to according to to time lord sayso….now that he’s alone he’s basically a god
It would be impacful if that hadnt been done to death in old who, people make out martha as a companion was amazing because of this but others before her had much better storylines than her pining over the doctor and not having her feelings reciprocated and dumbing the doctor, putting him in his place.
I'm a Brit and I can honestly say I've never met anyone who didn't love Martha , but she was an unknown actress who replaced the very well known Billie Piper ,who was a teenage pop star and actress before she played Rose, That would have been a difficult role for anyone Martha was my son's biggest Dr Who crush ! Posters of her all over his bedroom wall , I was really dissapointed when she left and much prefered her to Rose who had honestly started to grate on me
I always got the impression that those that didn’t like Martha was more for the fact of how besotted she was with the Doctor rather than her colour. Some people were hoping that after Rose the sexual tension would be dialled down but instead it was dialled up and put right out there with Martha! Most would say that Freema played Martha really well and was also incredibly beautiful but I’ve not heard any derogatory comments about her race. A great character with some of her best storylines of any season. Great reaction guys, don’t leave us waiting too long as the next series is seriously good.
There is a little 5 minute episode called "time crash" u need to watch before the next episode... it explains how the titanic broke through the shields and hits the tardis.... its a wonderfully warm bit of tv where David tennant gets to meet his actual hero! (And his father in law now)
Just have to say I love this content. As an old school Whovian, I get such a kick out of folks exploring this show for the first time. I didn't have the luxury of sharing my first watching of this show with people that appreciate it. And to see the 2 of you vibing over it makes my day. Keep it up!
I love Martha’s journey as a companion to The Doctor. I can’t wait until the two of you get to Season 4. The next companion is coming and you might not agree with the choice, but you will grow to enjoy this particular companion’s journey. Trust me on this one. Don’t let anyone else tell you that the new companion is a waste of time. You guys ain’t seen nothing yet ❤ #whovianforlife
I forgot to mention and I'm not sure if anyone did: Max aired the edited TV version of this so you kind of missed Martha's mothers somewhat redemption. In the DVD unedited version of this episode, prior to Luxy grabbing the gun and shooting the Master, Francine gets it first. There's a scene where she is just dead set on killing the Master and the Doctor stops her. The intensity in her eyes and voice spoke volumes and it kills me that a lot of folks never saw that scene. And in turn, it led to the more dramatic part of Lucy shooting the Master cause now I thought the gun was disposed of.
@@boombam5214 I hope they do too...I know cut out a lot of stuff for the American audience but the DVD/Blue-Rays hold true to what was initially aired in U.K. Of all the scenes cut, that to me was the most profound. Like when I saw it on Max I was like "Hold up, where's that scene at...?" The rest probably went over my head.
It's wild...I'm sure there's a ton of stuff what was cut due to time constraints for us but you're right, I was like, why cut that. I guess it pays to get your physical copies of the show.
We are loving the daily Dr Who reactions 👋😍 The Master is a menacing manipulative monster but absolutely riveting. Tom Ellis actually played a much loved doctor on EastEnders so another Doctor saves the day with Martha 👌
The thing I was always frustrated with was how they wrote Martha to simp the Doctor. It was such a bad decision on the writers' part. Everyone, not just the Doctor, was recovering from losing Rose, so her being in love with him made her seem like "the other woman". That put her on a bad footing with the audience before anyone even got to know her. People couldn't see past that into what a badass she is and how much she saved the Doctor. That's why this finale is in my top 3 - her badassery shines.
@@lunacouer [WITHOUT SPOILING ANYTHING] Both Martha/Freema were brought in in-between stars--one was a U.K. Britney Spears wannabe and the other the U.K. equivalent to Carol Burnett. She got one season only. She didn't get a Christmas special but she did get to co-star in the first-ever DW animation project. Were Martha/Freema just DEI placeholders, or did she just not "gel" with RTD and Co.? Or was it her--are the rumors true that she turned down a second season of "Torchwood?" I dunno the answers to these.
The Face of Boe reveal is done brilliantly, loved the reaction guys, can’t wait for the Christmas special and series 4! Series 4 has some excellent stories to dig into 😁
"Now it's just you and your hand!" LMAO!!!!!!!!!! Greatest double-entendre ever!!! Immediately followed by the now-obligatory Diddy reference!!! LMAO!!!!!!! THANKS for this!!!! Are you gonna review "TimeCrash?" The Children in Need minisode is wedged between this and the Special and I love it so much! @nupefromdaville, there's *so* much I want to say to you but I can't...so just keep watching! Now, wait 'til you see next season.... :) But first ("TimeCrash" then) the Titanic!!!!
Yes, coming back from the dead does actually hurt Jack. It comes up in, I think Torchwood (don't remember when) that it feels like crawling across broken glass. So not only is dying unpleasant (esp depending on how it happens), but coming back is equally as unpleasant. Also, iirc, David and Freema weren't told about that 'Face of Bo' line before hand, so their reactions are 100% genuine there.
Makes what he went through at the end of series two and the start of season 4 (even though I refuse to acknowledge miracle day as canon) all the rougher
It's been great watching you two react to this season and it always makes me so happy when reactors give Martha some love and appreciation. It would be great to see her again in the new seasons at some point, although I don't expect it this year (unless they really sneaked Freema in to film).
Martha’s my hero in so many ways! She told the story, & set up the Doctor’s super-sparkle-moment. She did all of that flawlessly whilst she had to know what her family was barely surviving their torture. She then peaced out from travelling with him because her family needed her more. She was always amazing, but these last several episodes prove that she’s the GOAT!!
There is a mini-sode before the Christmas special, if you're not aware. I hope you guys didn't watch the American edit. In case you did, and would like to see the original scene, SPOILERS!!!! Martha's mom picks up the gun and almost shoots the Master.
At the time, from my memory, people were pretty excited about the fact Martha wasn’t another blond white chick, so I don’t think it was a “black thing”. I think people were still getting over Rose to fully appreciate Martha. A bit like the Doctor himself. I hope you guys are going to watch the mini-sode “Time Crash” before watching “Voyage of the Damned”.
I think Murry Gold really went to schmalzy at the "Jesus moment". I think if they went for a darker sound track there, it could have worked much better for me.
Fans did not like Rose either. Rose was too mean to Mickey in their opinion of some (of the younger?) fanbase. And many classic Who fans just hated that there was any form of romance in the show.
A solid finale and a cliffhanger. One thing that irked me in this finale Doctor became Space Jesus. It is one of those shows you were growing up, knew it isn’t perfect but appreciated watching as a kid.
A born-again friend of mine was offended by this finale. I was mad that Rose got to be Dark Phoenix and [CENSORED] post-Martha while Martha had to settle to be John the Baptist :( In 2024, I have to deal with Martha's creation as an *independent, self-sufficient* character.
Freema and David were left unaware of this line as their reaction was to be genuine, similar to Willy Wonka when we gwt to see the factory the first time.
Fun insight: The Toclafane were actually designed to be the villain for S1 E6, in the event the production couldn’t get the rights to use the Daleks (Doctor Who is one of the few shows in which the writers and designers retain the rights to their creations, e.g. Steven Moffat owns the rights to the Weeping Angels not the BBC). So your comparison of the Toclafane to the Daleks is actually apt.
Blink is the blueprint of everything timey wimey happening this season and I love it. Just like in Blink, Martha meets the Master first in the future having already seen and heard him as Harold Saxon and then the Face of Boe being Jack thing later.
I know you guys are taking a little break before going into the Christmas special and s4, but there's another online mini episode you guys should really check out before the Christmas special. It's 8 minutes and called "Time Crash: Children in Need Special", even if you don't film a reaction i hope you guys watch it.
21:58 this reveal was so awesome. 24:26 lol. Wow. Took me a sec to figure out what exactly you meant but them remembered his severed hand. 26:22 lol this had me rollin Martha’s time was way too short. Loved her as a companion.
There was an 8 minute minisode set between Martha’s exit and the titanic crashing (it makes sense, trust me) called Time Crash. It’s on youtube but honestly, I’d recommend watching it AFTER the christmas special but before series 4. Although it’s set before the christmas special begins, it kinda kills the momentum/hype of the titanic crashing into the tardis.
the brother was going to player a bigger role in the last episode, but filming logistics didn't work out. iirc, the tom milligan character roughly filled the story space martha's brother was meant to occupy.
I remember the hating on Martha - and totally not getting why. It took me a little while to warm to Rose - but I (and my housemate) thought Martha was awesome from the jump.
After you guys have watched Nu-Who. Back to watching (2009) Series 4, there are Specials in order to catch up to, after seeing e13 episodes of S4. There are five Specials after S4 (2010). S4 ea "The Next Doctor" (Next Christmas Special) by Russell T Davies S4 eb "Planet of the Dead" by Russell T Davies & Gareth Roberts S4 ec "The Waters of Mars" by Russell T Davies & Phil Ford S4 ed "The End of Time" by Russell T Davies
Despite being specials, I think these are listed as episodes 14-18 s4 on HBO which is what they use. I'm really excited for them to see The Waters of Mars, maybe one of the scariest who episodes for me.
The Face of Boe reveal is one of the BEST twists of the entire show. 😃 Please tell me you guys are going to watch the Time Crash minisode before the Christmas Special. Its one that’s not a necessity to the coming season but it’s worth the watch. I think it’s there in full on TH-cam, might not be the best quality but it’s watchable. 😃
I sincerely hope that this break is not going to be too long from beginning season 4 because there's a lot of catching up to do. I agree that you ought to cover the new doctor as the episodes are available. But if you could squeeze an episode of catch-up in between, that would be nice. The Master is one of the Doctor's greatest antagonists and, I believe, one of his first enemies. However, don't look him up until you're all caught up 😉 🖖😎👍
I really liked Martha. Shame she didn’t get another full season. Not because she was a hottie (and boy she was a hottie), but because I saw the character grow in rather excellent ways. A full season where she wasn’t fawning over the Doctor would have been great.
The Doctor lives through his companions awe and wonder. He's been there done that. Similar to why it's so enjoyable to watch your reactions to beloved stories, and some not so. Thank you both.
I always felt conflicted about Marthas speech even as a kid. I mean now i'm older I get the whole power dynamic/rebound from rose thing and I fully accept that Martha wasn't always treated right and that needed to be called out. But that flatmate story was a little bit of a reach, if the genders were swapped and it was a guy obsessed with a girl because she never looked at him twice and he spent all day talking about her that would be a huge red flag but when it's a woman it's the guys fault for not liking them back? I really like how Martha knew her own worth in the end, called the doctor out and left on her own terms but...nobody owes you the relationship you think you deserve with them.
I don't believe there was much racism from most fans reference Martha, she had been around quite a while at this point. Much of the original antipathy toward her was because she replaced Rose, who is TRULY loved by fans and was the very first of the companions in the new era. That was a very big hill to climb for her character and personally I think she did an amazing job overcoming the resistance to her. In fact, it may well have helped that she is black and so different to Rose. You also have to wonder how much the fact she had already played a "villain", as her "cousin", at Canary Wharf had any bearing on the resistance to her. I do believe that by the end of this series Martha had very much cemented her place as THE companion, and she was missed.
I have mixed feelings. I'm an American so I can only tell you what I saw and felt at the time: Martha *and* Freema were both outsiders, both replacing a beloved white female star and character, in a role central to British popular culture during a time when losing European identity was an issue. Paradoxically, she hit Obama-mania in Europe or America, so..... (shrugs shoulders)
@@IsiahBradley I think I get you, but something to remember is that Freema played the part in 2007 (returning in Torchwood and DW later occasionally). There really wasn't much thought in the UK about the EU at that time. Sure there were the usual idiots like Farage, but no one took any notice of him. It wasn't until 2010 when the Tory's failed to win enough votes to form a government (after years of "New Labour") They had to form a Coalition with the LibDems and this pushed them further to the right as they began to fear Farages Party which had cost them votes. In 2013 Cameron in an effort to win back Tory Votes announced that he would hold a referendum (which he did in 2016) This was also when Johnson changed his stance (as he saw an opportuntiy to become Leader) and suddenly came out against the EU which he had always supported. Cameron resigned, May became Leader and had to enact the Referendum. The rest is history as the right wing lied to the people and conned the voters into (just) supporting the Get Out vote (52% to 48%) - So I really don't think you can attribute any UK "Patriotism" to the reaction to Freema years before
26:29, Martha got out at a good time and on her own terms. As I said before there are some companions that stay too long...and they never can go home again. Riding with the Doctor Is like going on back to back crisis missions alongside Superman. Superman is bulletproof and practically immortal, but regular folks are not. RIP to the past and future companions who stayed too long.
I obviously don't feel sorry for The Master or any sympathy for him in these episodes. But the scene of The Doctor begging him to regenerate and then groaning in pure agony after he dies, always makes me teary eyed. I feel so much of The Doctor's loneliness in that moment, where the second he thinks he has the chance of no longer being the last of his kind and being able to spend his life with his childhood friend (turned enemy), it's taken from him and he's back to being alone again. I can only imagine how much it hurts and of course this is all brilliantly sold by David Tennant's absolutely masterful performance.
🤣I love the Z formation🤣Disney Whovians should be called WHOplusians! I would love to be a part of your "tribe" though I've been with Doctor WHO since I was 5 and my dad brought me VHS tapes of the 4th Doctor from a convention in the early 80s! If you do the math, yes I'm 48, tellin on myself here. The Master ran from the war, but not before he fought in it for a time. Remember he said the Time Lords brought him back to fight For them, the implication being (and confirmed in expanded media) that he got a whole new life cycle from them as a trade for his services, his ruthlessness they required. I wouldn't say he is a coward so much as he is all about self preservation and self interest to the exclusion of all else. I also think he hate The Doctor in part because he has an inferiority complex when it comes to The Doctor. He's the only one that can best him, and it drives him more insane than he already is. He always comes back to the Doctor because he has something to prove. He could've just run off across the universe somewhere, but no, he went to strike at 21st Century Earth, the Doctor's adopted home away from home. Martha... I love Martha, she's a great character. I enjoyed her arc. I know others did not. I know others won't like Ncuti for the same reason too, and it is dumb AF, but that's the way it is sometimes. In Audio drama the 6th Doctor met HP Lovecraft, who was a famous author, but also famously he did not care for people who were not white like him. The 6th Doctor tells him the following, and I know this almost by heart because I clipped it to take to my dad's house to play cause I knew he'd like it too: "In all my travels I have never met anyone who professed a doctrine of hierarchical bigotry who didn't place themselves at the top of their social order. It's a blind, hateful, cruel, and cowardly arrogance. It is the rankest of stupidities. And the truth of it is, the people who hold such views, make themselves the worst of humanity. They are always the real monsters... The premise that you are somehow superior by virtue of your birth or heritage, is the most ignorant, poisonous, and conceited idea you could possibly entertain." And on to final thoughts: I did like Altered Carbon too, and another show a lot like it: The Doll House, starring Eliza Drushku who was Faith on Buffy and Angel. That was a phenomenal show that only lasted 2 seasons. I think of the Toclofane like Cybermen more than Daleks, but I can see it both ways. Oh and the Melania joke is fun, but if you ever heard her response to kids in cages, you realize she's just as bad as Don, like attracts like and they are evil together but separately. I pity Baron, what chance does he have not to grow up and be a douche too? Maybe he'll surprise us all and be like Ron Reagan Jr and become a staunch liberal! That'd be awesome, but I won't hold my breath.
I'm both glad and sad you've already made it to the end of this season! Thoroughly enjoying the ride so far, looking forward to season 4 when after your break! So while you were discussing the Master, and how he didn't have the same experience of appreciating humanity after being one, as the Doctor and Dalek Sec did, it made me think of The Lord of the Rings. I never noticed it before, but the Doctor and Gandalf share some similarities, in that they are both very long lived beings who have a soft spot for a race of mortals that is not shared by their contemporaries. The Doctor has the Earth and humans, while Gandalf has the Shire and hobbits. They are both quite protective of their mortals, and often choose to spemd their time with them over their own kind. In doing so, they are afforded a different perspective on life, as seen by those who have a shorter time to enjoy it, and that nurtures their sense of empathy. In contrast, the Master and Saruman see only what they world can do for them, seeking to control others instead of understand them. For beings whose lives span hundreds and thousands of years, they may learn to devalue how precious a resource time can be. Seeing life through the eyes of human or hobbit can cultivate a respect and appreciation for that which is fleeting.
No Companion leaves without sadness! Martha Jones is top tier! Drum Drum Drum. I'm so glad you guys finished out this arc. I misunderstood your wrap up before. I thought you were taking a break from the older run. I'm glad thats not the case. Boa! Yes! Glad you guys are taking this ride!
For a profile called BriaMakesComments I been a slacking here bro's. Ah theres a hacking reason and was then in guest profiles etc... but its about time to contribute. What a refreshing take on Who reactions and such fun you guys are. The way you relate the show to real life and see things through the eyes of a more mature audience is refreshing. Top commentary and understanding. Been around a while myself. 4 was my doc at 5 year old onwards and Sarah Jane my 1st crush haha. Am all over this and have been from day one. Thanks guys and ill try pop up more in future. You got the sub. Not sure if you ever check other Who reactors but if so, now or in future Id recommend Film Buff. Youd appreciate the way he does things though he is on hiatus at the mo. Peace
Great reaction guys, I am happy to say I liked Martha from day one, she fitted in so well, and came into her own from middle to the end,. Xmas ep next, then more of the Doctor sit back relax enjoy for another great season,
Martha was my favs day 1, had a huge crush on her(still do on the actress), and it wasn't til years later i learned people didn't like her🤷🏿♂️. I read she did get some racists attacks, she says this herself, and i 100% believe a lot of people didn't like her because she was black and Rose was white and people felt betrayed like "how dare a black woman be with our white doctor" attitude. No point beung subtle about it, its how some morons are. However screw them inbreds, she is still the best companion imo, the most useful, resourceful, helpful, strongest, and best looking(if i were that doctor id have married her😂). Now most people rate her🤷🏿♂️, and i wonder how many of those people are the ones who judged her at first because of her skin colour and now dont, because now everyone likes her, so you know theres got to be plenty who pretend they are not one of them, but by logic it can't be everyone because most disliked her.
Yes, the last half of this season contains some really brilliant stuff; but I think the last half of the next season is probably the best the series has ever offered. Once you get to it, I think you will love it.
I Think the reason people didn't take to Martha was because the fans had grown to like like Billy over the past two years and were gutted when she left. It was the same with Eccleston and tenant even matt smith the next doctor. they aren't liked straight away they have to grow into the role. People have their favourite doctor and that's their doctor.
I think there were two things non-race related that pushed Martha down in the rankings: 1) The forced romantic interest in the Doctor. 2) she wasn’t a great stand-in for the audience because she was brilliant and understood everything quickly. The role of the companion has always been the role of the audience; the companion is there to ask the questions the audience would ask and Martha was often a step ahead. She was more a co-Pilot than a trainee.
Have you seen NupeFromDaVille's breakdown of this episode? - th-cam.com/video/bOaFdpL6S98/w-d-xo.html
Thank you again for the assist bruv!
Really good rekkai lore and if ever piss i him off I now know he will kick butt and head at the same time I don't think syntell will ever hold a candle to him
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On it!!!!
Please watch time crash children in need special of doctor who
The courage & sacrifice of Martha Jones has never been lost on this fan I can tell you. The dignified exit she has here is very underrated, she knew her own worth & Freema is still as youthful today at 45 to still come back too.. 🙏
I didn't buy many Doctor Who books, but I had to get 'The Story of Martha', because toughing it out for a whole year on her own was hardcore.
Know your value. I'm proud of her.
@@DakNJaxter Yeah, I want to get the Martha/Ten books. From what I've heard, they are really good.
@@Syntell 🥰
Yeah, sometime during Season 1 of their rewatch, Syntell and Rekkai were talking about how hard it must be to walk away from the Tardis and the Doctor (I think in reaction to Rose telling her mum why she wants to keep traveling) and it made me think of Martha's exit, knowing that they would get to see someone actually choose to walk away from it. While Rose is right that traveling with the Doctor changes you, changes how you see and understand yourself, the universe, and humanity, Martha made the smart choice, to leave on her terms. She isn't forced to part from him like Rose was, or abandoned like Jack, or dropped off and forgotten like Sarah Jane. Mad respect to Martha for walking away when she could. On rewatches of this season, that is the scene that, more than anything, makes her my favorite companion, I think. Because she chose herself, and that is aspirational.
The face of Boe reveal was one of my favorite parts of this season outside of the masterpiece that is Blink. Freema and David Tenant did not know this was in the script and their reactions are real. I loved that Martha realized her worth and left on her own to do what’s best for her. Loving these Dr.who breakdowns! ❤
The abuse that poor Lucy Saxon got was lost on me as a Kid but that woman looks like she went through hell! 😬 The absolute savagery that Martha's family were made to witness the massacre of 1/10th of the Earth was something else 🤯
Agreed - most reactors seem to totally gloss over this aspect. Many don't notice the bruises on her face and body language in this episode assuming it is more about the slaughter of the huan race, not something personal. I think the actress does a great job and if you look carefully she is already showing how she is feeling trapped in the previous episode as early as when she is quizzed by the journalist
Surprised no one brought up Thanos (is that the name?), but maybe they did and I missed it.
Yeah, I always felt sorry for Lucy.
@@Lenkic13 yeah, unlike the Doctor's companions, her Time Lord with the Tardis could only take her to one destination in the future, and without all the wonderful things in-between the Present and the End, Lucy only got to see humanity's final flickers of light. It's clear her experience filled her with a nihilistic view of the world, with nothing else to counterbalance that. I do feel bad for Lucy too, although she helped facilitate the Master's rise to power, she was isolated from others while receiving little comfort from her partner, the Master. I thought her shooting him was a good mirror of Chantho shooting him at the end of Utopia; both iterations of the Master undone by his own companions, taken by surprise because he underestimated them, did not consider them as autonomous individuals but as extensions of himself.
I like to think that The Master made the little Gollum Doctor a tiny brown pinstripe suit to wear.
Re: Martha’s brother. The actor who played him got some other job and became unavailable on most of the Doctor Who shooting dates in the back half of the season, so they had to write around his absence. That’s why he wins at hide and seek.
It’s so lovely to see Martha getting the appreciation she deserves ❤ It would never have worked between her & the doctor; his love language is saving people, and she didn’t need saving
@@emilyckohl I want this on a t-shirt!
The Master's been running on fumes for a long time. He used up all of his regenerations in 1976. Since then he's been stealing alien power sources in an attempt to extend his life. In the 1996 TV movie, he tried to steal the Eighth Doctor's remaining regenerations.
But he also tells The Doctor that the Time Lords "resurrected" him to fight in the Time War... the Professor Yana body could regenerate so he had at least once, so who knows?
@@OldManFerdiad, ye it's been confirmed the Master is on their 2nd regeneration cycle. The 18th incarnation played by Alex Macqueen was the beginning of the new cycle, making Sir Derek Jacobi the 2nd in the new cycle. Everyone from the Peter Pratt/Geoffrey Beavers "crispy" Master to the Eric Roberts Master is technically still the 13th incarnation, but to keep things simple (especially when there's multi-master events like "Masterful" or "The Ravenous") the numbering changes per actor after Beavers.
@@purpleduke3193 so I'm guessing for this 2nd regeneration cycle Alex Macqueen was 2.1 (is that Big Finish?), Jacobi 2.2, Simm 2.3, Missy 2.4, Dhawan 2.5 (and 2.6 if we count the 'forced regeneration', but who the hell knows how that works) plus potentially the new 'Tooth Master' too... yikes, they burn through incarnations almost as fast as The Doctor ;-)
Gosh, funny to think that Delgado must have been incarnation 12 of his first cycle.
@@OldManFerdiad Yeah thats about right, Macqueen is one of the Big Finish exclusives. He debuts in the excellent 16 part "Dark Eyes" story, followed by the 6th Dr story "Vampire of the Mind" & 7th Dr multi- master story "The Two Master's" (those 2 are parts 2&3 of a small trilogy). He also appears in the Master's 50th anniversary celebration "Masterful". He's a nice balance between the unhinged Nu-Who versions and the original presence of Delgado and is worth the look if you have the time (& funds)
So the new cycle goes 2.1) Macqueen 2.2) Jacobi 2.3) Simm 2.4) Gomez 2.5) McKee (as the Luminat) and 2.6) Dwann. Although, it's not been confirmed whether the Master has multiple lives as the Luminat or if Dwann is indeed the incarnation directly after or not.
@@purpleduke3193 hahaha just realised I wrote Missy instead of Michelle Gomez, although honestly I think they are probably one and the same.
Rose defeated the Devil, Martha made Lucifer fall for her so hard he sacrificed himself.
“The face of Bo” reveal is one of the best reveals 😁but the best is yet to come 💯
It so is.... :)
This is why Martha Jones tops my rankings as a companion. She does not need the Doctor, she saves the world, and she even walks out on him. Hate to see her go...
And without gaining any superpowers (not that that isn't cool), just by determination and eloquence and intelligence.
@@HuntingViolets I thank you for that important view!
@@IsiahBradley You're welcome.
He went on to play Lucifer and David Tennant went on to play the demon Crowley. Funny old world.
And David was a great Crowley!
@@IsiahBradley He really is great in so many roles. You might recognize him from another role, but he becomes whatever he needs to for whatever his current role is.
Martha Jones is one of the companions i hope we see comeback in some way. Not as a full companion ofcourse but as a guest star. Catch up a little bit see what she is up to now.
The boy who played "Creet" was a child competition winner from the BBC children's magazine show "Blue Peter" (who frequently have Dr Who associations) called "John Bell" however he wasn't told he would eventually become a Toclafane!!..& die trapped at the end of the universe!! 😂
I auditioned for that! I still have the video tape I sent in 😅😅 unfortunately whilst I was a very enthusiastic whovian I wasn’t the best actor! I remember being very envious of that kid when it aired!
oh wow!!!
@@nupefromdaville I wonder whether they'll do any contests with Neo Who like they used to do.
John Bell has a major role on 'Outlander' now, playing Young Ian.
@@catherine140864 Oh, wow, that's cool.
I love that Martha left with dignity and it being her choice. She felt she wasn’t appreciated or treated right by the doctor and didn’t just take it anymore
Here’s the thing…I. The classic series it was very much shown that the Doctor doesn’t have human feelings. His quirks are alien because he is an alien and only looks like a human. In fact in the new Doctor who book series they show that Time Lords aren’t born they are created within the Great houses from a loom based on dna from previous time lords. So for him humans are only there so he doesn’t get lonely… his companions are really there just so he can show how smart he is and to keep him from becoming to dark. He doesn’t fall in love because that’s a human emotion. In fact the only reason he’s so protective of earth is to prevent alterations to fixed points in time due to his interference.
In the classic series the time lord civilization still existed and kept the Doctor in check but would use him to ensure the timeline didn’t get jacked up. He’s a renegade time lord just like the Rani or the Master but he works to ensure time proceeds as it’s supposed to according to to time lord sayso….now that he’s alone he’s basically a god
It would be impacful if that hadnt been done to death in old who, people make out martha as a companion was amazing because of this but others before her had much better storylines than her pining over the doctor and not having her feelings reciprocated and dumbing the doctor, putting him in his place.
Martha is wrong here: She is a legend.
YES!!!!
I'm a Brit and I can honestly say I've never met anyone who didn't love Martha , but she was an unknown actress who replaced the very well known Billie Piper ,who was a teenage pop star and actress before she played Rose, That would have been a difficult role for anyone Martha was my son's biggest Dr Who crush ! Posters of her all over his bedroom wall , I was really dissapointed when she left and much prefered her to Rose who had honestly started to grate on me
I still crush on Freema!! She looks amazing still. Her Insta is enough evidence 🥰
Thank you for saying it. Rose got on my last nerve. Martha was much more independent imo and her exit is one of the best in the series.
I always got the impression that those that didn’t like Martha was more for the fact of how besotted she was with the Doctor rather than her colour. Some people were hoping that after Rose the sexual tension would be dialled down but instead it was dialled up and put right out there with Martha! Most would say that Freema played Martha really well and was also incredibly beautiful but I’ve not heard any derogatory comments about her race. A great character with some of her best storylines of any season. Great reaction guys, don’t leave us waiting too long as the next series is seriously good.
There is a little 5 minute episode called "time crash" u need to watch before the next episode... it explains how the titanic broke through the shields and hits the tardis.... its a wonderfully warm bit of tv where David tennant gets to meet his actual hero! (And his father in law now)
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Just have to say I love this content. As an old school Whovian, I get such a kick out of folks exploring this show for the first time. I didn't have the luxury of sharing my first watching of this show with people that appreciate it. And to see the 2 of you vibing over it makes my day. Keep it up!
top notch reactions on all fronts - fully agree!
I love Martha’s journey as a companion to The Doctor. I can’t wait until the two of you get to Season 4. The next companion is coming and you might not agree with the choice, but you will grow to enjoy this particular companion’s journey. Trust me on this one. Don’t let anyone else tell you that the new companion is a waste of time. You guys ain’t seen nothing yet ❤ #whovianforlife
We're so near to *our* utopia... :)
I liked because this Companion loved the Doctor like a best friend. But they were never in love or had a big crush on him.
_Some_ people did not like Martha. I loved Martha from the beginning.
Martha's been away a year. She's over it. The best "it's not you, it's me" speech.
I forgot to mention and I'm not sure if anyone did: Max aired the edited TV version of this so you kind of missed Martha's mothers somewhat redemption. In the DVD unedited version of this episode, prior to Luxy grabbing the gun and shooting the Master, Francine gets it first. There's a scene where she is just dead set on killing the Master and the Doctor stops her. The intensity in her eyes and voice spoke volumes and it kills me that a lot of folks never saw that scene. And in turn, it led to the more dramatic part of Lucy shooting the Master cause now I thought the gun was disposed of.
OMG! I totally forgot that scene, I hope they see your comment and I'm glad I have the DVD's lol.
@@boombam5214 I hope they do too...I know cut out a lot of stuff for the American audience but the DVD/Blue-Rays hold true to what was initially aired in U.K. Of all the scenes cut, that to me was the most profound. Like when I saw it on Max I was like "Hold up, where's that scene at...?" The rest probably went over my head.
It's wild...I'm sure there's a ton of stuff what was cut due to time constraints for us but you're right, I was like, why cut that. I guess it pays to get your physical copies of the show.
I think the Master is angry that he is in shreds but the Doctor, despite a lot of sadness, got to have a life.
Tenants crying at the end was probably very real considering his mother died shortly before filming this.
We are loving the daily Dr Who reactions 👋😍 The Master is a menacing manipulative monster but absolutely riveting. Tom Ellis actually played a much loved doctor on EastEnders so another Doctor saves the day with Martha 👌
That one-week (?) hiatus will be hard for me....
Martha's brother was supposed to be in this story, but the guy that played the part let them down, so they filled his part with Tom Ellis instead.
Before watching "voyage of the damned" W 29:39 atch the mini episode "Time Crash"
I hope they watch it!
The thing I was always frustrated with was how they wrote Martha to simp the Doctor. It was such a bad decision on the writers' part. Everyone, not just the Doctor, was recovering from losing Rose, so her being in love with him made her seem like "the other woman". That put her on a bad footing with the audience before anyone even got to know her.
People couldn't see past that into what a badass she is and how much she saved the Doctor. That's why this finale is in my top 3 - her badassery shines.
The question I constantly debate with myself is how Martha and Freema were treated *the same way* .... :(
@@IsiahBradley What question is that? Do you mean how stan culture treated Freema like she was the other woman?
@@lunacouer [WITHOUT SPOILING ANYTHING] Both Martha/Freema were brought in in-between stars--one was a U.K. Britney Spears wannabe and the other the U.K. equivalent to Carol Burnett. She got one season only. She didn't get a Christmas special but she did get to co-star in the first-ever DW animation project. Were Martha/Freema just DEI placeholders, or did she just not "gel" with RTD and Co.? Or was it her--are the rumors true that she turned down a second season of "Torchwood?" I dunno the answers to these.
The Face of Boe reveal is done brilliantly, loved the reaction guys, can’t wait for the Christmas special and series 4! Series 4 has some excellent stories to dig into 😁
Despite what happens at the end, Time Crash really does take place between this episode and Voyage of the Damned. All will become clear.
Yeah, I find "Time Crash" a little odd for various reasons.
"Now it's just you and your hand!" LMAO!!!!!!!!!! Greatest double-entendre ever!!! Immediately followed by the now-obligatory Diddy reference!!! LMAO!!!!!!!
THANKS for this!!!! Are you gonna review "TimeCrash?" The Children in Need minisode is wedged between this and the Special and I love it so much!
@nupefromdaville, there's *so* much I want to say to you but I can't...so just keep watching!
Now, wait 'til you see next season.... :) But first ("TimeCrash" then) the Titanic!!!!
We're working on a plan for the mini series while we set up for season 4
I have to admit,I really like the detail and thoughtfulness the two of you put into your discussions after the episode.Excellent job,my friends!
Yes, coming back from the dead does actually hurt Jack. It comes up in, I think Torchwood (don't remember when) that it feels like crawling across broken glass. So not only is dying unpleasant (esp depending on how it happens), but coming back is equally as unpleasant.
Also, iirc, David and Freema weren't told about that 'Face of Bo' line before hand, so their reactions are 100% genuine there.
Makes what he went through at the end of series two and the start of season 4 (even though I refuse to acknowledge miracle day as canon) all the rougher
It's been great watching you two react to this season and it always makes me so happy when reactors give Martha some love and appreciation. It would be great to see her again in the new seasons at some point, although I don't expect it this year (unless they really sneaked Freema in to film).
7:34 Yikes!!!! You're not wrong! 😭😂
nice throwaway reference to the Axons from the 1971 story The Claws of Axos.
Martha’s my hero in so many ways!
She told the story, & set up the Doctor’s super-sparkle-moment.
She did all of that flawlessly whilst she had to know what her family was barely surviving their torture.
She then peaced out from travelling with him because her family needed her more.
She was always amazing, but these last several episodes prove that she’s the GOAT!!
8:50 This scene made me speechless when I first watched this episode! A twisted reveal!
There is a mini-sode before the Christmas special, if you're not aware.
I hope you guys didn't watch the American edit. In case you did, and would like to see the original scene, SPOILERS!!!! Martha's mom picks up the gun and almost shoots the Master.
That was edited out?!?
2:01, hey that is Tom Ellis from Lucifer. Never knew he played a character on Doctor who
At the time, from my memory, people were pretty excited about the fact Martha wasn’t another blond white chick, so I don’t think it was a “black thing”. I think people were still getting over Rose to fully appreciate Martha. A bit like the Doctor himself.
I hope you guys are going to watch the mini-sode “Time Crash” before watching “Voyage of the Damned”.
It's a big finale the God like flying is a bit much but what a season eh? Love from 🇬🇧 Oh and isn't composer Murray Gold again amazing 🎶
Absolutely amazing!
I think Murry Gold really went to schmalzy at the "Jesus moment". I think if they went for a darker sound track there, it could have worked much better for me.
Fans did not like Rose either. Rose was too mean to Mickey in their opinion of some (of the younger?) fanbase. And many classic Who fans just hated that there was any form of romance in the show.
A solid finale and a cliffhanger. One thing that irked me in this finale Doctor became Space Jesus. It is one of those shows you were growing up, knew it isn’t perfect but appreciated watching as a kid.
A born-again friend of mine was offended by this finale. I was mad that Rose got to be Dark Phoenix and [CENSORED] post-Martha while Martha had to settle to be John the Baptist :( In 2024, I have to deal with Martha's creation as an *independent, self-sufficient* character.
LOL...space Jesus.
Martha is my all time favourite.
Let’s goooo, looking forward to this reaction lads!
Hope you enjoyed. Onward to season 4
@@Syntell :) Just you wait..... :)
Got a little bit behind and playing catch up now. As usual the commentary is top tier can't wait to dive in to season 4 and the new season with you
Freema and David were left unaware of this line as their reaction was to be genuine, similar to Willy Wonka when we gwt to see the factory the first time.
Fun insight: The Toclafane were actually designed to be the villain for S1 E6, in the event the production couldn’t get the rights to use the Daleks (Doctor Who is one of the few shows in which the writers and designers retain the rights to their creations, e.g. Steven Moffat owns the rights to the Weeping Angels not the BBC). So your comparison of the Toclafane to the Daleks is actually apt.
I wanted both your thoughts in a deep dive on the Jack being the Face of Boe twist reveal!
Blink is the blueprint of everything timey wimey happening this season and I love it. Just like in Blink, Martha meets the Master first in the future having already seen and heard him as Harold Saxon and then the Face of Boe being Jack thing later.
I know you guys are taking a little break before going into the Christmas special and s4, but there's another online mini episode you guys should really check out before the Christmas special. It's 8 minutes and called "Time Crash: Children in Need Special", even if you don't film a reaction i hope you guys watch it.
21:58 this reveal was so awesome.
24:26 lol. Wow. Took me a sec to figure out what exactly you meant but them remembered his severed hand.
26:22 lol this had me rollin
Martha’s time was way too short. Loved her as a companion.
Love Martha my favourite companion in my who ! Love the last half of series 3.
There was an 8 minute minisode set between Martha’s exit and the titanic crashing (it makes sense, trust me) called Time Crash.
It’s on youtube but honestly, I’d recommend watching it AFTER the christmas special but before series 4. Although it’s set before the christmas special begins, it kinda kills the momentum/hype of the titanic crashing into the tardis.
Its awesome hearing such unique takes on my favorite show. I love what you guys are doing, keep up the great work!
15:29 This is where the fun begins! My man The Doctor! 🙏🏽💪
the brother was going to player a bigger role in the last episode, but filming logistics didn't work out. iirc, the tom milligan character roughly filled the story space martha's brother was meant to occupy.
I remember the hating on Martha - and totally not getting why. It took me a little while to warm to Rose - but I (and my housemate) thought Martha was awesome from the jump.
After you guys have watched Nu-Who. Back to watching (2009) Series 4, there are Specials in order to catch up to, after seeing e13 episodes of S4. There are five Specials after S4 (2010).
S4 ea "The Next Doctor" (Next Christmas Special) by Russell T Davies
S4 eb "Planet of the Dead" by Russell T Davies & Gareth Roberts
S4 ec "The Waters of Mars" by Russell T Davies & Phil Ford
S4 ed "The End of Time" by Russell T Davies
Despite being specials, I think these are listed as episodes 14-18 s4 on HBO which is what they use. I'm really excited for them to see The Waters of Mars, maybe one of the scariest who episodes for me.
“Of course. He’s the master.” That was actually wild to say lol
The Face of Boe reveal is one of the BEST twists of the entire show. 😃
Please tell me you guys are going to watch the Time Crash minisode before the Christmas Special. Its one that’s not a necessity to the coming season but it’s worth the watch. I think it’s there in full on TH-cam, might not be the best quality but it’s watchable. 😃
y'all are funny lol I have a lot of fun watching these reactions, keep it up!
I sincerely hope that this break is not going to be too long from beginning season 4 because there's a lot of catching up to do. I agree that you ought to cover the new doctor as the episodes are available. But if you could squeeze an episode of catch-up in between, that would be nice.
The Master is one of the Doctor's greatest antagonists and, I believe, one of his first enemies. However, don't look him up until you're all caught up 😉
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I'm really excited for ya'll's Season 4 reaction.
I liked Martha. I didn’t like that they wrote her as totally smitten from day one. She was smarter than that. She was always a smart helper.
I really liked Martha. Shame she didn’t get another full season. Not because she was a hottie (and boy she was a hottie), but because I saw the character grow in rather excellent ways. A full season where she wasn’t fawning over the Doctor would have been great.
The Doctor lives through his companions awe and wonder. He's been there done that. Similar to why it's so enjoyable to watch your reactions to beloved stories, and some not so. Thank you both.
I always felt conflicted about Marthas speech even as a kid. I mean now i'm older I get the whole power dynamic/rebound from rose thing and I fully accept that Martha wasn't always treated right and that needed to be called out. But that flatmate story was a little bit of a reach, if the genders were swapped and it was a guy obsessed with a girl because she never looked at him twice and he spent all day talking about her that would be a huge red flag but when it's a woman it's the guys fault for not liking them back? I really like how Martha knew her own worth in the end, called the doctor out and left on her own terms but...nobody owes you the relationship you think you deserve with them.
Fun fact the one who welcome Martha à the begining of the épisode....is Lucifer Morningstar himself
I don't believe there was much racism from most fans reference Martha, she had been around quite a while at this point. Much of the original antipathy toward her was because she replaced Rose, who is TRULY loved by fans and was the very first of the companions in the new era. That was a very big hill to climb for her character and personally I think she did an amazing job overcoming the resistance to her. In fact, it may well have helped that she is black and so different to Rose. You also have to wonder how much the fact she had already played a "villain", as her "cousin", at Canary Wharf had any bearing on the resistance to her. I do believe that by the end of this series Martha had very much cemented her place as THE companion, and she was missed.
I have mixed feelings. I'm an American so I can only tell you what I saw and felt at the time: Martha *and* Freema were both outsiders, both replacing a beloved white female star and character, in a role central to British popular culture during a time when losing European identity was an issue. Paradoxically, she hit Obama-mania in Europe or America, so..... (shrugs shoulders)
@@IsiahBradley I think I get you, but something to remember is that Freema played the part in 2007 (returning in Torchwood and DW later occasionally). There really wasn't much thought in the UK about the EU at that time. Sure there were the usual idiots like Farage, but no one took any notice of him. It wasn't until 2010 when the Tory's failed to win enough votes to form a government (after years of "New Labour") They had to form a Coalition with the LibDems and this pushed them further to the right as they began to fear Farages Party which had cost them votes. In 2013 Cameron in an effort to win back Tory Votes announced that he would hold a referendum (which he did in 2016) This was also when Johnson changed his stance (as he saw an opportuntiy to become Leader) and suddenly came out against the EU which he had always supported. Cameron resigned, May became Leader and had to enact the Referendum. The rest is history as the right wing lied to the people and conned the voters into (just) supporting the Get Out vote (52% to 48%) - So I really don't think you can attribute any UK "Patriotism" to the reaction to Freema years before
The actor/presenter who played Leo (Reggie Yates) wasn't available for the finale so had to be written out.
Well, they had the internet, but the Master was controlling it at this point, I suppose.
Right!
this episode is wild I always forget about the fuckinh spirit bomb ahaha
I sometimes think of it as the "I believe in Fairies" moment.
You guys have the best discussions! I hope the break isn't too long, as Season 4 is my favorite. 💖
26:29, Martha got out at a good time and on her own terms. As I said before there are some companions that stay too long...and they never can go home again.
Riding with the Doctor Is like going on back to back crisis missions alongside Superman. Superman is bulletproof and practically immortal, but regular folks are not. RIP to the past and future companions who stayed too long.
:( Yeah..... :(
I can’t wait till your start season 4
Well, Martha is the one who has to save the world, so it makes sense for Tom to sacrifice himself to save her. The good news is that year reset now.
Hell, I'd've run out to try to protect Martha, too! She's so, um, not ugly :) and kind and smart and... :)
I obviously don't feel sorry for The Master or any sympathy for him in these episodes. But the scene of The Doctor begging him to regenerate and then groaning in pure agony after he dies, always makes me teary eyed. I feel so much of The Doctor's loneliness in that moment, where the second he thinks he has the chance of no longer being the last of his kind and being able to spend his life with his childhood friend (turned enemy), it's taken from him and he's back to being alone again. I can only imagine how much it hurts and of course this is all brilliantly sold by David Tennant's absolutely masterful performance.
🤣I love the Z formation🤣Disney Whovians should be called WHOplusians! I would love to be a part of your "tribe" though I've been with Doctor WHO since I was 5 and my dad brought me VHS tapes of the 4th Doctor from a convention in the early 80s! If you do the math, yes I'm 48, tellin on myself here.
The Master ran from the war, but not before he fought in it for a time. Remember he said the Time Lords brought him back to fight For them, the implication being (and confirmed in expanded media) that he got a whole new life cycle from them as a trade for his services, his ruthlessness they required. I wouldn't say he is a coward so much as he is all about self preservation and self interest to the exclusion of all else. I also think he hate The Doctor in part because he has an inferiority complex when it comes to The Doctor. He's the only one that can best him, and it drives him more insane than he already is. He always comes back to the Doctor because he has something to prove. He could've just run off across the universe somewhere, but no, he went to strike at 21st Century Earth, the Doctor's adopted home away from home.
Martha... I love Martha, she's a great character. I enjoyed her arc. I know others did not. I know others won't like Ncuti for the same reason too, and it is dumb AF, but that's the way it is sometimes. In Audio drama the 6th Doctor met HP Lovecraft, who was a famous author, but also famously he did not care for people who were not white like him. The 6th Doctor tells him the following, and I know this almost by heart because I clipped it to take to my dad's house to play cause I knew he'd like it too:
"In all my travels I have never met anyone who professed a doctrine of hierarchical bigotry who didn't place themselves at the top of their social order. It's a blind, hateful, cruel, and cowardly arrogance. It is the rankest of stupidities. And the truth of it is, the people who hold such views, make themselves the worst of humanity. They are always the real monsters... The premise that you are somehow superior by virtue of your birth or heritage, is the most ignorant, poisonous, and conceited idea you could possibly entertain."
And on to final thoughts:
I did like Altered Carbon too, and another show a lot like it: The Doll House, starring Eliza Drushku who was Faith on Buffy and Angel. That was a phenomenal show that only lasted 2 seasons. I think of the Toclofane like Cybermen more than Daleks, but I can see it both ways. Oh and the Melania joke is fun, but if you ever heard her response to kids in cages, you realize she's just as bad as Don, like attracts like and they are evil together but separately. I pity Baron, what chance does he have not to grow up and be a douche too? Maybe he'll surprise us all and be like Ron Reagan Jr and become a staunch liberal! That'd be awesome, but I won't hold my breath.
I'm loving this, such a pallet cleanser for the weak echo of the series we all used to love, that we have now.
The man she traveling with plays lucifer in the shoe lucifer
I loved Martha!
I'm both glad and sad you've already made it to the end of this season! Thoroughly enjoying the ride so far, looking forward to season 4 when after your break!
So while you were discussing the Master, and how he didn't have the same experience of appreciating humanity after being one, as the Doctor and Dalek Sec did, it made me think of The Lord of the Rings. I never noticed it before, but the Doctor and Gandalf share some similarities, in that they are both very long lived beings who have a soft spot for a race of mortals that is not shared by their contemporaries. The Doctor has the Earth and humans, while Gandalf has the Shire and hobbits. They are both quite protective of their mortals, and often choose to spemd their time with them over their own kind. In doing so, they are afforded a different perspective on life, as seen by those who have a shorter time to enjoy it, and that nurtures their sense of empathy. In contrast, the Master and Saruman see only what they world can do for them, seeking to control others instead of understand them. For beings whose lives span hundreds and thousands of years, they may learn to devalue how precious a resource time can be. Seeing life through the eyes of human or hobbit can cultivate a respect and appreciation for that which is fleeting.
No Companion leaves without sadness! Martha Jones is top tier! Drum Drum Drum. I'm so glad you guys finished out this arc. I misunderstood your wrap up before. I thought you were taking a break from the older run. I'm glad thats not the case. Boa! Yes! Glad you guys are taking this ride!
Haha I'm back on the right timeline governors 😂 keep up the great reactions the best of who yet to come
18:54, and we say Magneto and Xavier are a twisted bromance. The Doctor and the Master did it first. These two are so danged toxic and codependent.
Perfect timing 🤌🏻
Great way to start the week.
Thank you for watching. Enjoy.
For a profile called BriaMakesComments I been a slacking here bro's. Ah theres a hacking reason and was then in guest profiles etc... but its about time to contribute. What a refreshing take on Who reactions and such fun you guys are. The way you relate the show to real life and see things through the eyes of a more mature audience is refreshing. Top commentary and understanding. Been around a while myself. 4 was my doc at 5 year old onwards and Sarah Jane my 1st crush haha. Am all over this and have been from day one. Thanks guys and ill try pop up more in future. You got the sub. Not sure if you ever check other Who reactors but if so, now or in future Id recommend Film Buff. Youd appreciate the way he does things though he is on hiatus at the mo. Peace
I can’t say that Martha was my favorite companion, but she was definitely up there. You’ll be able to see her again soon no spoilers.
Showing what the doctor would look like if he showed all his years ...Jack's face of bo reveal make sense.
Martha my heart. She is my fave .
Great reaction guys, I am happy to say I liked Martha from day one, she fitted in so well, and came into her own from middle to the end,. Xmas ep next, then more of the Doctor sit back relax enjoy for another great season,
❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️THE BEST, and a very tragic ending :(
RESPECT, Martha.
Martha was my favs day 1, had a huge crush on her(still do on the actress), and it wasn't til years later i learned people didn't like her🤷🏿♂️. I read she did get some racists attacks, she says this herself, and i 100% believe a lot of people didn't like her because she was black and Rose was white and people felt betrayed like "how dare a black woman be with our white doctor" attitude. No point beung subtle about it, its how some morons are. However screw them inbreds, she is still the best companion imo, the most useful, resourceful, helpful, strongest, and best looking(if i were that doctor id have married her😂). Now most people rate her🤷🏿♂️, and i wonder how many of those people are the ones who judged her at first because of her skin colour and now dont, because now everyone likes her, so you know theres got to be plenty who pretend they are not one of them, but by logic it can't be everyone because most disliked her.
It would be like making Supergirl Latin or Batgirl Black in America :)
Yes, the last half of this season contains some really brilliant stuff; but I think the last half of the next season is probably the best the series has ever offered. Once you get to it, I think you will love it.
I Think the reason people didn't take to Martha was because the fans had grown to like like Billy over the past two years and were gutted when she left. It was the same with Eccleston and tenant even matt smith the next doctor. they aren't liked straight away they have to grow into the role. People have their favourite doctor and that's their doctor.
I think there were two things non-race related that pushed Martha down in the rankings: 1) The forced romantic interest in the Doctor. 2) she wasn’t a great stand-in for the audience because she was brilliant and understood everything quickly. The role of the companion has always been the role of the audience; the companion is there to ask the questions the audience would ask and Martha was often a step ahead. She was more a co-Pilot than a trainee.