At last a reviewer who understands software and doesn't just assume that PS is the be all and end all of drawing apps. If only more peole and companies could wake up and get off that bandwagon. So many people are blaming hardware for the faults in photoshop. Oh and I agree about the need for a larger version too... great review!
I agree! I really hate it when reviewers only show photoshops performance. I was almost going to buy an apple product instead of this because of how much input lag it was showing from photoshop. The other apps definitely helped show this tablet/laptops full potential
If im correct Companies want photoshop because of the file formate. They will take your work and tweak it around but to do so they want the .photoshop to mess with individual layers, ect ect. My In law brother who does web design told me this
@@nobody1575 that's not really an excuse anymore seeing as the majority of drawing programs out there can save in. PSD. companies who specify you can ONLY work in photoshop are seriously limiting their choices. and honestly, photoshop is a photo editing program first. it's drawing features, however, are not that good. companies and people hiring artists need to start understanding this, and also understand that photoshop is expensive as hell and not a lot of people can afford it on their own.
I remember in college when I was in some sort of storyboarding or character design class, the instructor informed us we NEED to work in photoshop even though I told him photoshop wouldn't allow me to showcase my full range of art skills because there are some things I can't do in that program that I can in my default program, and the drawing program I use saves in PSD anyway. I still used my go-to program and just gave him the files in PSD. there's no difference.
24:00 The fault lies with Adobe's god awful After Effects code. I recently upgraded to a 200% faster CPU, after effects runs the same...worst code in history
Maybe it's just the fan-boy in me, but it seems that, just by looking at you drawing, Clip Studio brings the best performance to the table.. Photoshop obviously has the biggest following for painting, just by virtue of having been around for so long, but it's about the worst for just plain drawing!
Thank you, this was very useful as a review from an artists' perspective and you're the first person I've seen who pointed out using apps other than Photoshop produced different results. Much appreciated for taking the time to go through this like you did!
I use Clip Studio on an HP Spectre x360 and it only lags of the stabilization is set very high. Otherwise it doesn't have noticable lag! And even with high stabilization, it's not a deal breaker.
Hello! I'm sorry this comment is very, very late (lol) but it came in very handy on my decision on which pro to pick to start digital artwork, thank you! =)
Hi! First of all, thank you for great review! I recently bought the Surface Pro 6 with 128 gb of RAM and i5 for 940 euro. Pretty expensive, but it comes with pen, and I found no alternatives with the same specs and overall quality which cost significantly lesser. So long I'm pretty glad with performance, but the soft-relative issue a bit spoiled my experience. For example, I wasn't able to draw angle-sensitive strokes at Painter 2018, so I was forces to upgrade up to 2019 in order to achieve that. Sketchbook also doesn't has this feature, but I don't know if it has it at all, because until now I was using a tablet and pen without this feature. Inking experience a bit worse than on my desktop Wacom tablet, but it was expected. The only thing that makes me feel uncomfortable its too luxury feel of the device. To be honest, I'm just afraid I can damage it while using, it feels fragile. With Wacom desktop tablet or my old windows tablet with wacom digitizer I haven't experienced this, they feels more solid and unbreakable. Also, I was a bit disappointed with a fact that Surface Pen comes without extra tips. I think for a price they could have add some extra. Wacom always did. To sum all it up, I think this 2-in-1 is one of the best on the market even considering the price, and if you don't want to use Apple ecosystem you definitely should consider buying this device.Thank you once again for a review and greetings from Cyprus!
For future reference... wait until the holidays, especially "Black Friday Sales in the USA," via the Microsoft Store (Store or Online at the Microsoft Store). You can normally get a sale that will include a bundle. The Bundle normally includes the Keyboard Cover and 200 to 500 off the base price. Some places like Costco, will also include the Pen as well! That said: if you are using a Surface for Artwork... Save, Save and Save some more. Get the i7 version. Yes it is worth every penny. This past holiday season, I bought mine - Pro6, i7 ,16gb Ram, 500gb HD. I paid 1599.99 + the Pen & a 256gb Micro SD Card. I also bought the Pro6 i5 with 8gb Ram, 256gb HD for 1199.99 + the Pen and a 128gb MSDC. A few months ago, I did a test to see if I could get away with the i5I ran Photoshop, Leonardo, Concepts and Sketchbook (App version). Working at a 150.00 PPI, (150ppi is the minimum print resolution you might be able to get away with, if not a high end publication). My i7 literally ran circles around the i5. To be fair, the extra 8gb of memory I have, most certainly helps. I have 358gb used out of 500gb and I still have a few add-ons for Photoshop I have to install. I don't know, how you get away with 128gb, if you're an artist. Anyhow... seriously, even if you wait an extra 2 years and use your current Surface Pro 6, until you have literally worn out the scree... if you're an artist, you are cheating yourself by not getting the i7 with 16gb of Ram. Food for thought mate. Hope my info helps a little.
Have you tried the Lenovo Thinkpad X1 Yoga? I'd be interested in an artist's review. I'm a writer, so I love a comfortable keyboard. I'm looking for a durable mobile workstation with dedicated graphics, like the Lenovo Thinkpad X1 Extreme. It'll take me a long to save up for it, so I want to get a fun & light 2-in-1 in the meantime to work on my novel & media consumption. Because it can function as a tablet, it wouldn't become irrelevant once I get my laptop. I would love your take on the Lenovo Thinkpad X1 Tablet. It seems just like the MSP6, but the pen & keyboard are included. The Thinkpads are supposed to be really durable, which while the MSP6 looks wonderful, I've heard it scuffs/gets damaged easily & doesn't have a lot of ports. I'd love an artist's take on the Thinkpad pen vs. Surface Pen.
iPad Pro for me has just been phenomenal. It's very difficult going to anything else after drawing on an iPad. I like the Surface Pro for its desktop experience and tablet mode, but hopefully they fix the response time to match the iPad Pro.
Nice video :D Just got my surface pro after watching this video. But I am having problem with krita, how do you setup krita for surface pro? Mine couldn't detect the pen pressure in krita but other programs like medibang works well with pen pressure (without configure anything) Thank you.
dualcore on dirty windos? ew.... who would want that? even hexacore windows is a laggy mess... dualcore must be unusable. unless you come my way ;) the arch-linux way ^-^
very interesting, I'm looking forward to Surface Pro 7, hopefully the screen will be bigger....one question: I work with a program called Charpad, it is a simple editor for creating game maps for C64, do you think the pen is working for this program? Or it needs a specific driver?...Charpad works under windows...thank you!
It looked like it had little to no jitter from what he showed and what he said. Can you refer to a specific timestamp where you saw unacceptable jitter levels?
First of all, Great videos! are very usefull! ;) I am trying to decide which one should I buy and your analysis are helping me, but still I have some doubts. Is the Surface pro 6 (for drawing use mostly) the one that you'd recommend over the competitors? Is there any other that maybe likes you more? Surface Pro 6 price is my very limit. Thank you in advance!
As a Windows tablet, this is one of the best. Actually if you don't need the quad core processors, the SP5 has some really good deals now with the SP6 out.
Hey, great review! I have the option of getting the SP2017 with the i7 and 16gb ram, or the SP6 with the i5 quad-core and 8gb ram. Which one would you choose? Thanks a lot
What type of work do you do? 16GB RAM is useful if you use a lot of apps, work with huge files. SP6 is a better choice if you really need the processing power, such as when exporting videos.
@@teohyc Thanks for your answer! I'm using MS Office a lot, 10-20 Chrome tabs at a time and photo editing with lightroom and photoshop CC. I don't know if especially for lightroom, the processing power is more important than doubling the ram or if 16 gigs of ram are more important than the two extra cpu cores.
Hey Teoh, have you considered reviewing the Samsung Notebook 9 Pen? I felt that the experience was better than the IPad Pro 2018, and it's hands down better than Surface Pro 6. The pen is def. on the small side, but it beats Surface in polling rate, jitter, accuracy, latency, activation force, pressure sensitivity (same figures but 9 pen feels better in practice) and precision (much finer tip) from my experience and testing. Basically across the board. I've heard that you can also use any Wacom stylus with it but I've never seen anyone try. I would love to see your take on it.
@@teohyc Dayum. Maybe I post something on it. Never posted anything and I'm hardly an artist. DX Thanks for the great reviews tho! Also, what criteria do you use to review products? Guess it's gotta be mainstream enough so it's applicable to people I'm guessing?
@@21area21 Unless I can borrow a product to review, I would have to buy it myself and the criteria is that product must be easy to sell off later without losing too much money.
Thank you for the improvement of the video. Why can't the line be drawn even worse than the tip of the pen? Is it a recording problem? Please pause for a moment so that we can see the exact position of the tip. Also please test the various angles of the pen to see if the tip of the pen can be accurately positioned.
There's no parallax because the gap between the screen and the glass surface is very minimal, and because it's just a 12.3-inch so you're not really using the pen to the far sides. Cursor will always be directly beneath the tip. Pen tip is small so you'll always be able to see the line come out. There's no misalignment. If there's misalignment, I won't be able to join the lines properly.
@@teohyc: Some people still suffer from the offset issue. Also there is another big issue, where the Surface Pens deactivates prematurely when you have a steady hand.
@@JohnSmith-gb8hd My new Surface Pen becomes unresponsive every couple of minutes and on a little investigation it appears that if I draw normally it happens every time. I suspect that when I draw from my shoulder there is little barrel rotation or angle change and therefore the pen thinks I have stopped using it and then goes to sleep. If I rotate the pen intermittently or select the buttons I have no such issue. It happens on my Surface Go and my Surface Pro 2017 and it forced me to buy the Adonit Ink which does not have this issue. Quite a few people on reddit have also reported this, so I am pretty sure I don't have a defective pen. I have just posted a video on my channel demonstrating this issue.
@@crybb Surface Book 2 doesn't have a kickstand, doesn't last long on tablet mode and much more expensive. I do digital art so a bigger tablet screen makes more sense to me. If they put a USB-C then I can use a second screen as well.
Fukk Dat I checked it and they’re having problems shipping the product. I don’t take risk on new products especially at that price point ($1k+). Besides, I normally wait for the product to become refurbished before I purchase one so I know it’s working. Different with phones though
I bought the cheapest one for 799 like a week ago. In total it was 1150ish adding the keyboard with fingerID and the pen. I bought it to take notes in college and do my homework on it. I'm in love with it
13:30 lo unico que IOS tenia de mejor que la Surface ya esta Instalado 😃 sin mas que se pueda decir la Surface ya no mere que la comparen con tegnologias de majo nivel
hows the heat when doing using programs? does the screen gets hot? the first surface was unbearablly hot within the first hour and my hands and lap could'nt handle it, i hope this and 7 have atleast make it bearable
I draw slowly so I'm always concerned about diagonal lines being jittery. I saw your other reviews about jittery lines. I've decided that I'm going to buy the Surface Pro. My question.....In your opinion and in regards to slow drawing diagonal lines, would you say that the difference between the Surface Pro 5 and 6 almost non-existent? I believe you mentioned in another video that the Surface Pro 4 had jittery lines, so that's why I'm looking at the Surface Pro 5 or 6.
Pro 5 and 6 has significantly less jitter. For normal drawing speed the jitter is not that noticeable. But you can definitely see slight jitter when drawing slowly.
Hello, this against Samsung Notebook 9 Pro??? I will use it for drawing and also music production, i like it cause it's 12" so small and portable but maybe not enough powerful against the samsung?
Thank you for this very detailled review. I am currently using the i7 version of the Surface Pro 6. It shows some delay in opening apps or clicking even here in the textbox. I will have to optimize it a bit I guess. But I have another question. I tried Krita, but unfortunately, neither pressure nor tilting works for me. I use Windows 10 out of the box at the moment. Did you have to install/modify anything? I read a lot about the WinTab driver, but even that did not help. I have pressure sensitivity in Medibang though.
Excellent video sir! You answered my question better than everyone else on youtube! I'm getting an i7 tomorrow and your information on the i5 (which I would be fine with) has put my mind at ease! Keep up the good work!
So is it primarily photoshop that you notice lag and jitter? I was thinking about getting the Pro6 since I also need something that functions as a laptop for school. I primarily use Clip Studio paint now for my line art, but nonetheless, I'm concerned about reports of lag and jitter. So would you say it's a problem with the surface, the pen or something else?
Also, could you please say if you use Microsoft Dial on Surface Pro? Is it useful? Can it be set for any programs or only for some specific one? Never used it and thought may be I should try if it make my drawing process more efficient and quick. Thank you in advance!
Do you use screen protector on your surface pro? If yes, tell please which one? Film or glass? How does it work when you use a stylus on a film or glass? Are there any bugs?
Probably use a different brush thats more solid and clean when showing the pen jitter... cause its hard to tell what jitter is caused by the pen or if its just the brush.
Hi There, can you please let me know the vertical usable drawing screen display area in Photoshop I know the display area is 12.3 but I want to know how much of screen area is available in Photoshop with tool bar and layer menu open as it is in your video.
Hey I got the surface pro 6 recently, for some reason while using medibang there’s a cursor lag. Like the cursor lags across the screen leaving a after shadow. Is there anyway to fix that?
Medibang Paint Pro does not have the fastest refresh rate compared to other drawing apps. Things like zooming, pan and rotate are going to appear laggy. That cursor lag. Do you mean the trailing cursors when you are drawing? You can turn that off. Go to Menu->View->Brush Size and uncheck that. Cursor will turn into a crosshair.
They are kinda similar expect for the ports. SP6 is heavily discounted so it's more value for money.
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Does the pro 6 version has the same problem when drawing when the other hand touchs the device as the 2017?? I usually hold the tablet with one hand while I draw with the other.
I recently Bought Surface pro 5th Gen online as a gift but not from the Microsoft store.When it arrived and I opened the packaging, the box does not have any pictures on it except for the "Microsoft Surface Pro" writing. I am freaking out because I wanna make sure it is not fake or anything like that.
You should search online for images of the box to compare. Also check your serial number on Microsoft Surface website mybusinessservice.surface.com/en-US/CheckWarranty/CheckWarranty
I have pro 5 for 16 months now, 7 days ago my battery capacity decreased by 0.3% a day later decreased by 1% after another one day decreased by 2% and today by 2.6% so the capacity now is 97.4%, what is the explanation of this decrease, it decreases every day?
The Lithium battery has a life span. It will deteriorate with age. You may want to visit Microsoft forum or Reddit to research on how to lengthen the battery life/health.
Hi, Teoh. A great in-depth review as always. What is the second drawing app that you mention after Photoshop that you say one can draw slower? Is it free and is Krita free also?
CONTENTS:
00:04 - Intro
03:11 - Design
07:33 - Drawing performance
17:08 - Graphic design
18:54 - Photo editing
22:08 - Video editing
24:21 - Battery life
24:54 - Conclusion
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Will you review Pro 7 soon?
That table of contents at the beginning is the best feature of a YT video I have ever seen, thank you so much.
At last a reviewer who understands software and doesn't just assume that PS is the be all and end all of drawing apps. If only more peole and companies could wake up and get off that bandwagon. So many people are blaming hardware for the faults in photoshop. Oh and I agree about the need for a larger version too... great review!
I agree! I really hate it when reviewers only show photoshops performance. I was almost going to buy an apple product instead of this because of how much input lag it was showing from photoshop. The other apps definitely helped show this tablet/laptops full potential
If im correct Companies want photoshop because of the file formate. They will take your work and tweak it around but to do so they want the .photoshop to mess with individual layers, ect ect. My In law brother who does web design told me this
@@nobody1575 Yeah, you can save PSD's in almost any program so, that's not it after more than 20 years in digital art I can say, PSD is ubiquitous.
@@nobody1575 that's not really an excuse anymore seeing as the majority of drawing programs out there can save in. PSD. companies who specify you can ONLY work in photoshop are seriously limiting their choices. and honestly, photoshop is a photo editing program first. it's drawing features, however, are not that good. companies and people hiring artists need to start understanding this, and also understand that photoshop is expensive as hell and not a lot of people can afford it on their own.
I remember in college when I was in some sort of storyboarding or character design class, the instructor informed us we NEED to work in photoshop even though I told him photoshop wouldn't allow me to showcase my full range of art skills because there are some things I can't do in that program that I can in my default program, and the drawing program I use saves in PSD anyway. I still used my go-to program and just gave him the files in PSD. there's no difference.
24:00 The fault lies with Adobe's god awful After Effects code. I recently upgraded to a 200% faster CPU, after effects runs the same...worst code in history
the lagging problem for medibang paint pro can be fixed by disabling battery saving mode and use best performance. I had the same problem before...
By far the best review on Surface Pro. Thank you so much for this informative video!
Thanks 😁
This is exactly the review I was looking for! Answered all the questions I had. Thank you!
Maybe it's just the fan-boy in me, but it seems that, just by looking at you drawing, Clip Studio brings the best performance to the table.. Photoshop obviously has the biggest following for painting, just by virtue of having been around for so long, but it's about the worst for just plain drawing!
Thank you, this was very useful as a review from an artists' perspective and you're the first person I've seen who pointed out using apps other than Photoshop produced different results. Much appreciated for taking the time to go through this like you did!
Thanks for this review! I needed an artist's point of view on this product 😭
i just got my surface pro 3 weeks ago and this video SAVED MY LIFE
thank you so much!!!!! this channel is the best!!!
Clip Studio should work fine
I use Clip Studio on an HP Spectre x360 and it only lags of the stabilization is set very high. Otherwise it doesn't have noticable lag! And even with high stabilization, it's not a deal breaker.
Did you get a used spro3? I'm looking into a used spro4, 3 for drawing and games.
This is a really comprehensive review - thank you! You covered every aspect and your conclusions were very fair. I wish everyone was as thorough. 👍👍👍
Thanks 😁
Hey Teoh it would be awesome if you could review the SP7 if you have not already. I think you do very in depth and helpful reviews :)
Hello! I'm sorry this comment is very, very late (lol) but it came in very handy on my decision on which pro to pick to start digital artwork, thank you! =)
You made me clearer of understanding this Pro 6 so it made ease with my purchase decision. Thank you!
Hi! First of all, thank you for great review! I recently bought the Surface Pro 6 with 128 gb of RAM and i5 for 940 euro. Pretty expensive, but it comes with pen, and I found no alternatives with the same specs and overall quality which cost significantly lesser. So long I'm pretty glad with performance, but the soft-relative issue a bit spoiled my experience. For example, I wasn't able to draw angle-sensitive strokes at Painter 2018, so I was forces to upgrade up to 2019 in order to achieve that. Sketchbook also doesn't has this feature, but I don't know if it has it at all, because until now I was using a tablet and pen without this feature. Inking experience a bit worse than on my desktop Wacom tablet, but it was expected. The only thing that makes me feel uncomfortable its too luxury feel of the device. To be honest, I'm just afraid I can damage it while using, it feels fragile. With Wacom desktop tablet or my old windows tablet with wacom digitizer I haven't experienced this, they feels more solid and unbreakable. Also, I was a bit disappointed with a fact that Surface Pen comes without extra tips. I think for a price they could have add some extra. Wacom always did. To sum all it up, I think this 2-in-1 is one of the best on the market even considering the price, and if you don't want to use Apple ecosystem you definitely should consider buying this device.Thank you once again for a review and greetings from Cyprus!
For future reference... wait until the holidays, especially "Black Friday Sales in the USA," via the Microsoft Store (Store or Online at the Microsoft Store). You can normally get a sale that will include a bundle. The Bundle normally includes the Keyboard Cover and 200 to 500 off the base price. Some places like Costco, will also include the Pen as well!
That said: if you are using a Surface for Artwork... Save, Save and Save some more. Get the i7 version. Yes it is worth every penny. This past holiday season, I bought mine - Pro6, i7 ,16gb Ram, 500gb HD. I paid 1599.99 + the Pen & a 256gb Micro SD Card. I also bought the Pro6 i5 with 8gb Ram, 256gb HD for 1199.99 + the Pen and a 128gb MSDC.
A few months ago, I did a test to see if I could get away with the i5I ran Photoshop, Leonardo, Concepts and Sketchbook (App version). Working at a 150.00 PPI, (150ppi is the minimum print resolution you might be able to get away with, if not a high end publication).
My i7 literally ran circles around the i5. To be fair, the extra 8gb of memory I have, most certainly helps. I have 358gb used out of 500gb and I still have a few add-ons for Photoshop I have to install. I don't know, how you get away with 128gb, if you're an artist. Anyhow... seriously, even if you wait an extra 2 years and use your current Surface Pro 6, until you have literally worn out the scree... if you're an artist, you are cheating yourself by not getting the i7 with 16gb of Ram.
Food for thought mate. Hope my info helps a little.
Mate i think everyone would love to have 128gb of ram...
Such an awesome review man, well spoken and made!
Thanks :-)
I'm a graphic design student, would the surface pro 6 be a good choice?
It would suffice. I did my graphic design course with sp 5 i5/256
buy Surface book, it will solve all your needs.
I have both and use my surface pro for photos. I draw on my iPad Pro 2018 using Procreate which is far better drawing app then most.
Keira’s Tilt sensitive brushes look so satisfying to use! I can’t wait to buy my surface 7!
Have you tried the Lenovo Thinkpad X1 Yoga? I'd be interested in an artist's review. I'm a writer, so I love a comfortable keyboard. I'm looking for a durable mobile workstation with dedicated graphics, like the Lenovo Thinkpad X1 Extreme. It'll take me a long to save up for it, so I want to get a fun & light 2-in-1 in the meantime to work on my novel & media consumption. Because it can function as a tablet, it wouldn't become irrelevant once I get my laptop. I would love your take on the Lenovo Thinkpad X1 Tablet. It seems just like the MSP6, but the pen & keyboard are included. The Thinkpads are supposed to be really durable, which while the MSP6 looks wonderful, I've heard it scuffs/gets damaged easily & doesn't have a lot of ports. I'd love an artist's take on the Thinkpad pen vs. Surface Pen.
I've not tried the X1 Yoga so I can't say much.
I swear Teoh, your quick sketches in your demos? I often like them as much or more than some of the USk stuff! Love your loose style.
Thanks :-)
iPad Pro for me has just been phenomenal. It's very difficult going to anything else after drawing on an iPad. I like the Surface Pro for its desktop experience and tablet mode, but hopefully they fix the response time to match the iPad Pro.
Nice video :D Just got my surface pro after watching this video. But I am having problem with krita, how do you setup krita for surface pro? Mine couldn't detect the pen pressure in krita but other programs like medibang works well with pen pressure (without configure anything) Thank you.
i sold my surface pro with sketchbook for a samsung Tab S4 with Infinite painter...soooo much better !
why?
What didn't you like about surface pro?
what about z brush ? does it run z brush efficiently?
The 7 plz
Watching this on a Surface Pro 2.
same
@@arachni4153 is your screen popping out yet? Cause mine is.
Velociraptor from the windows button, yeah
How does it work still good and what processor? I think some of the newer ones are about same price for used on eBay.
I'm watching this on a refurbished Surface Pro 4 (Intel Core m3, 4GB RAM, 128GB SSD).
dualcore on dirty windos? ew.... who would want that? even hexacore windows is a laggy mess... dualcore must be unusable. unless you come my way ;) the arch-linux way ^-^
Nice review! I think I'll buy myself one in a year when I have saved enough money for it!
I know I'm late to this but how well does it perform when using 2D animation software like Toon Boom or TV Paint?
If you think it doesnt perform.... learn to draw. Ive done some amazing work on a surface
How do you click select when using the clone tool. With & without the keyboard attached. Damned if I can find out. Cheers 👍🏼
Having a keyboard with Photoshop will save a lot of time
you have a big choice with drawing software (please dont call it an app, teenybop speak)
I appreciate your reviews. As others mentioned, thanks for demonstrating other drawing software.
Hey buddy. What is the PSD to measure the colours? Can you share it?
seems like apple ipad pro is better
For drawing yes
@@teohyc even for note taking, ipad is better. I have both surface pro and ipad.
The biggest cons with ipad is you cant running desktop software or mac os apps
@@vigd6298 exactly
does anyone know how well Clip Studio Paint or Paint Tool SAI works on this tablet?
They work
very interesting, I'm looking forward to Surface Pro 7, hopefully the screen will be bigger....one question: I work with a program called Charpad, it is a simple editor for creating game maps for C64, do you think the pen is working for this program? Or it needs a specific driver?...Charpad works under windows...thank you!
What did you use to draw those buildings? Awesome review btw 👌🏽
Those were modeled in 3D software Maya
Honestly as much as I want the surface, the jitter might be the game breaker here...
It looked like it had little to no jitter from what he showed and what he said.
Can you refer to a specific timestamp where you saw unacceptable jitter levels?
Apple pencil is the best 👍👍
> Super thick Bezos
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i wished this had 4glte microsoft should make all models with lte
What abt surface pro 7? Is ms surface pro7 i5 sufficient for video editing?
Good enough for 1080P video editing. But for the same money, it is best to get a more powerful laptop.
All the dislikes are from Apple users probably 🙌🏼
do you have mi Pad review for drawing?
I don't
your hand T to be crazy me
First of all, Great videos! are very usefull! ;) I am trying to decide which one should I buy and your analysis are helping me, but still I have some doubts. Is the Surface pro 6 (for drawing use mostly) the one that you'd recommend over the competitors? Is there any other that maybe likes you more? Surface Pro 6 price is my very limit. Thank you in advance!
As a Windows tablet, this is one of the best. Actually if you don't need the quad core processors, the SP5 has some really good deals now with the SP6 out.
@@teohyc many thanks! I'll check both and decide ;)
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very useful thank you!!
Hey, great review! I have the option of getting the SP2017 with the i7 and 16gb ram, or the SP6 with the i5 quad-core and 8gb ram. Which one would you choose? Thanks a lot
What type of work do you do? 16GB RAM is useful if you use a lot of apps, work with huge files. SP6 is a better choice if you really need the processing power, such as when exporting videos.
@@teohyc Thanks for your answer! I'm using MS Office a lot, 10-20 Chrome tabs at a time and photo editing with lightroom and photoshop CC. I don't know if especially for lightroom, the processing power is more important than doubling the ram or if 16 gigs of ram are more important than the two extra cpu cores.
Hey Teoh, have you considered reviewing the Samsung Notebook 9 Pen? I felt that the experience was better than the IPad Pro 2018, and it's hands down better than Surface Pro 6. The pen is def. on the small side, but it beats Surface in polling rate, jitter, accuracy, latency, activation force, pressure sensitivity (same figures but 9 pen feels better in practice) and precision (much finer tip) from my experience and testing. Basically across the board. I've heard that you can also use any Wacom stylus with it but I've never seen anyone try. I would love to see your take on it.
I probably won't review that.
@@teohyc Dayum. Maybe I post something on it. Never posted anything and I'm hardly an artist. DX
Thanks for the great reviews tho!
Also, what criteria do you use to review products? Guess it's gotta be mainstream enough so it's applicable to people I'm guessing?
@@21area21 Unless I can borrow a product to review, I would have to buy it myself and the criteria is that product must be easy to sell off later without losing too much money.
@@teohyc Gotcha. Yeah, it is on the pricey end too.
Thank you for the improvement of the video. Why can't the line be drawn even worse than the tip of the pen? Is it a recording problem? Please pause for a moment so that we can see the exact position of the tip. Also please test the various angles of the pen to see if the tip of the pen can be accurately positioned.
There's no parallax because the gap between the screen and the glass surface is very minimal, and because it's just a 12.3-inch so you're not really using the pen to the far sides.
Cursor will always be directly beneath the tip. Pen tip is small so you'll always be able to see the line come out. There's no misalignment. If there's misalignment, I won't be able to join the lines properly.
Thanks for the questions. I'll update with more photos in my text review.
Thank you :)@@teohyc
@@teohyc: Some people still suffer from the offset issue.
Also there is another big issue, where the Surface Pens deactivates prematurely when you have a steady hand.
@@JohnSmith-gb8hd My new Surface Pen becomes unresponsive every couple of minutes and on a little investigation it appears that if I draw normally it happens every time. I suspect that when I draw from my shoulder there is little barrel rotation or angle change and therefore the pen thinks I have stopped using it and then goes to sleep. If I rotate the pen intermittently or select the buttons I have no such issue.
It happens on my Surface Go and my Surface Pro 2017 and it forced me to buy the Adonit Ink which does not have this issue. Quite a few people on reddit have also reported this, so I am pretty sure I don't have a defective pen. I have just posted a video on my channel demonstrating this issue.
Surface Pro needs to have a 15 inch version so they can include a USB-C (and probably longer battery?)
What do you guys think?
Surface book 2 exist, so?
@@crybb Surface Book 2 doesn't have a kickstand, doesn't last long on tablet mode and much more expensive. I do digital art so a bigger tablet screen makes more sense to me. If they put a USB-C then I can use a second screen as well.
@@TeleJazzer hey, check Eve V laptop, maybe it's good deal for you
Fukk Dat I checked it and they’re having problems shipping the product. I don’t take risk on new products especially at that price point ($1k+). Besides, I normally wait for the product to become refurbished before I purchase one so I know it’s working. Different with phones though
This is still pretty expensive starting at 900$, I'm going to pass on this as well
well its just a computer so its pretty expensive xd
idk if she shows it but theres a keyboard too and a stylus for it , its a computer
They re running a sale now 699 or 799 bundle with the keyboard. It blows everything in its price range out of the water.
I bought the cheapest one for 799 like a week ago. In total it was 1150ish adding the keyboard with fingerID and the pen. I bought it to take notes in college and do my homework on it. I'm in love with it
Impressive video! We are in love with your stuff ! 🔥🙌🏽🔥
What inspired you to start making videos? 🧐
The first few videos were just monthly videos of sketching outings with my friends.
Thanks for the awsome review i was considering the surface for my art
Thank you for such a great, thorough review! Best I've seen yet.
Thanks :-)
Wow, the lag is so much program dependent.
Hello, I had a question about the surface pro on krita, is there any easy way to undo? It seems hard without a built in shortcut button
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13:30 lo unico que IOS tenia de mejor que la Surface ya esta Instalado 😃 sin mas que se pueda decir la Surface ya no mere que la comparen con tegnologias de majo nivel
You can better use illustrator than photoshop in my opinion.
Since a full laptop can surface pro run obs studio for speed paints?
Yes but OBS and live streaming requires lots of processing power so Surface Pro will get really hot.
hows the heat when doing using programs?
does the screen gets hot?
the first surface was unbearablly hot within the first hour and my hands and lap could'nt handle it, i hope this and 7 have atleast make it bearable
For drawing, it’s warm but not hot
@@teohyc thx!
I draw slowly so I'm always concerned about diagonal lines being jittery. I saw your other reviews about jittery lines. I've decided that I'm going to buy the Surface Pro.
My question.....In your opinion and in regards to slow drawing diagonal lines, would you say that the difference between the Surface Pro 5 and 6 almost non-existent?
I believe you mentioned in another video that the Surface Pro 4 had jittery lines, so that's why I'm looking at the Surface Pro 5 or 6.
Pro 5 and 6 has significantly less jitter. For normal drawing speed the jitter is not that noticeable. But you can definitely see slight jitter when drawing slowly.
@@teohyc The price difference between the 5 and 6 is quite substantial, so I really appreciate your reply. Thanks!
Hello, this against Samsung Notebook 9 Pro??? I will use it for drawing and also music production, i like it cause it's 12" so small and portable but maybe not enough powerful against the samsung?
Not sure about the Samsung as I've not use it. As long as specs are similar they should perform similarly
Can we attach a wacom tablet to it? 🤔
Yes
We need more people like you.
Hi! Would you recommend surface pro 6 to using Adobe Animate CC? I read about some bugs, but I want to maje sure. Thanks!!!
I don’t use Adobe Animate so I can’t say much
Great video! Very helpful :)
Thank you for this very detailled review. I am currently using the i7 version of the Surface Pro 6. It shows some delay in opening apps or clicking even here in the textbox. I will have to optimize it a bit I guess. But I have another question. I tried Krita, but unfortunately, neither pressure nor tilting works for me. I use Windows 10 out of the box at the moment. Did you have to install/modify anything? I read a lot about the WinTab driver, but even that did not help. I have pressure sensitivity in Medibang though.
Not sure what's wrong. Maybe you can find something or ask on the Krita forum on Reddit www.reddit.com/r/krita
Excellent video sir! You answered my question better than everyone else on youtube! I'm getting an i7 tomorrow and your information on the i5 (which I would be fine with) has put my mind at ease! Keep up the good work!
I actually decided to stick with my i5! Premier pro works well enough for my uses. Thanks again!
So is it primarily photoshop that you notice lag and jitter? I was thinking about getting the Pro6 since I also need something that functions as a laptop for school. I primarily use Clip Studio paint now for my line art, but nonetheless, I'm concerned about reports of lag and jitter. So would you say it's a problem with the surface, the pen or something else?
It's mostly Photoshop
Hello, I am an illustrator and currently own a Wacom Cintiq Pro. Would you say that this tablet is better than a Wacom Cintiq Pro?
Wacom is going to be more accurate
What is the name apk
Also, could you please say if you use Microsoft Dial on Surface Pro? Is it useful? Can it be set for any programs or only for some specific one? Never used it and thought may be I should try if it make my drawing process more efficient and quick. Thank you in advance!
I've not used that before so I can't say much. I've only seen it being used with the sketchable app.
Can I get advice. What software should a beginner animator use on the surface pro.
I don’t know animation software. Maybe you can search online
Teoh Yi Chie what about drawing?
Lauren M For drawing there are many. Clip Studio Paint, Corel Painter, Sketchbook Pro, Krita, Medibang Paint. Some are free some not
Great review. Wandering it anyone knows if they will ever bring in the matte black version to Singapore.
Best review out there! Thanks!
Has it any ping?
Do you use screen protector on your surface pro? If yes, tell please which one? Film or glass? How does it work when you use a stylus on a film or glass? Are there any bugs?
I don't have a screen protector for that. So far so good. I didn't have it for the Surface Pro 2017 also.
Probably use a different brush thats more solid and clean when showing the pen jitter... cause its hard to tell what jitter is caused by the pen or if its just the brush.
If the pen is not shaking and the line is shaking, then it's the line.
Hi There, can you please let me know the vertical usable drawing screen display area in Photoshop I know the display area is 12.3 but I want to know how much of screen area is available in Photoshop with tool bar and layer menu open as it is in your video.
After the palette on screen, the remaining space to draw on is 19 by 14cm.
What's the Program called to graphic Design link
I don't like the stylus
Hey I got the surface pro 6 recently, for some reason while using medibang there’s a cursor lag. Like the cursor lags across the screen leaving a after shadow. Is there anyway to fix that?
Medibang Paint Pro does not have the fastest refresh rate compared to other drawing apps. Things like zooming, pan and rotate are going to appear laggy.
That cursor lag. Do you mean the trailing cursors when you are drawing? You can turn that off. Go to Menu->View->Brush Size and uncheck that. Cursor will turn into a crosshair.
Did you have trouble with little finger? I wonder what happen If I put hand on screen when I draw (hand is holding pen on screen)
There is palm rejection when the pen is close to the screen
@@teohyc Can you describe more detail. thank
When the pen tip is away from the screen, you can use your finger on the screen. When pen tip is near, the tablet detects the pen and not the finger
@@teohyc Thank. I'm looking for touch screen for drawing. If you have a chance, please review BOSTO 16 HD.
surface pro 6 or pro 7 for digital art beginners?
They are kinda similar expect for the ports. SP6 is heavily discounted so it's more value for money.
Does the pro 6 version has the same problem when drawing when the other hand touchs the device as the 2017?? I usually hold the tablet with one hand while I draw with the other.
It no longer has that problem.
I recently Bought Surface pro 5th Gen online as a gift but not from the Microsoft store.When it arrived and I opened the packaging, the box does not have any pictures on it except for the "Microsoft Surface Pro" writing. I am freaking out because I wanna make sure it is not fake or anything like that.
You should search online for images of the box to compare. Also check your serial number on Microsoft Surface website mybusinessservice.surface.com/en-US/CheckWarranty/CheckWarranty
excellent video! your art is so nice to look at!
So do you think it's better sp6 i5 or sp 2017 i7 for photoshop?
They are sort of the same. Amount of memory is more important and if you can, get 16GB RAM which helps a lot.
Does CPU throttle when plugged in or is it only when on battery?
It throttles when it's hot. Whether it's connected to power or on battery doesn't matter.
Thank you for the review =)
I have pro 5 for 16 months now, 7 days ago my battery capacity decreased by 0.3% a day later decreased by 1% after another one day decreased by 2% and today by 2.6% so the capacity now is 97.4%, what is the explanation of this decrease, it decreases every day?
The Lithium battery has a life span. It will deteriorate with age. You may want to visit Microsoft forum or Reddit to research on how to lengthen the battery life/health.
@@teohyc Thank you for your reply!
Does the surface pro 6 able to run " after effect " ?
Yes, but I'm not sure how optimally it will work with After Effects as I don't use that software.
Did the surface pro 6 performance on clip studio paint is good?
It's good
Hi, Teoh. A great in-depth review as always. What is the second drawing app that you mention after Photoshop that you say one can draw slower? Is it free and is Krita free also?
Medibang Paint Pro? That’s free, and Krita too
@@teohyc thanks very much!!