Another random NBfL fact: Routemaster LTZ 1812 has a fleet number of ST812 (and is the only routemaster to have a leading 'S') as it is shorter than all other at 10.1 meters instead of the usual 11.23 meters
Go Ahead London’s Camberwell garage sometimes provides buses for night routes at other Go Ahead London. So saying that have you ever driven the night routes for other Go Ahead London garages?
@@eastlancsesteem lol, to be fair, only 5 of the 231 buses in the fleet have manual rear doors, so could be worse I guess, those 5 buses are also high-floor and have no wheelchair seating, so pretty terrible for people with a disability
LT 1-516 all have the inward opening door as in the video. From LT 517 onwards the door opens along the side of the bus. LT 2 was the first into service on route 38 in February 2012.
Thanks for the information. I knew it was around LT 515 that the doors changed, but wasnt 100% sure. I've seen LT2 in green operating at Arriva on route 349 and 313.
Anton, around half off them have the non sliding door, why, because when the NBFL first started, they had conductor and the door was open, then theh did away with the Crew so other half were made with the sliding door
When BC Transit (in Victoria, BC, Canada) had their Dennis Tridents, they originally had doors that swung into the bus like you showed there. Although both doors opened and closed inwards, not just one. We used to have a rope blocking the area where the door opened and closed. However when the buses were refurbished around 2011 they changed the doors to swing-out "Plug" style doors.
Yes, your correct. I completely forgot about that. They changed it around 6 to 8 years ago now. I travelled on route 24 when it had someone at the rear of the bus.
I agree on the space aspect on the platform. the second one is known as a slide and plug door there a lot better compared to the folding in leaf door on your bus as they also use them on most middle doors on boris buses and london buses too the keep the door out of the way and allow for more space and better flow. they also use that type of door on trains and trams as well generally.
Great video. The opening door that opens inward is great but people need to read and listen to the announcement that say “ stand clear of the opening door ” and people just stand there and get hit by the door
Is it possible to retrofit the folding doors so they're all sliding? It could help reduce loading time and allow for faster trips. Also, do the three door buses perform better than 2 door for getting people on and off?
Correct, Ten years now. The NBFLs that have the sliding doors, the back has been completely redone. The little inward opening door has been welded in, as there is no need for it to open. The back door that slides has got a new bar on the window next to it (in front of where the passengers sit). And an additional larger bar as been replaced with the small one (on the door next to the sliding door). The flooring has also been refurbished.
The inward opening rear door was originally going to have like a conductor or PSA, which would stand there for safety and give driver starting signal, only few routes had them to start with, and this idea was scraped and they was made redundant. So need for inward opening door was not required I think from LT500 to 1000, someone could correct me if wrong on fleet number sliding door started on. And first route in service was 38 in 2012. p.s. I have 24 corgi models of the LT so would say I am a fan of them.
@@jacksugden8190 Saw a video in Taiwan/ROC of a passenger whose arm got stuck as the door opened while she leaned it on the handrail (used by the row of seats directly beside the door too besides people standing at the doorway)
Do you ever get people who stand in the way of the opening rear door which causes it to close right after opening? I just experienced it on my bus. I opened the rear door that swings open and someone must've blocked it, it closed on a child, but I was completely unaware as I was looking at the passengers boarding through the front door, until someone came and started banging on my cab door. I don't understand why they create such dangerous rear doors, if the sensitive edge is pressed when it opens it also closes, what kind of dangerous feature is this?
Saw a Boris bus today on the 313, bodywork was in a hell of a state, Arriva not looking after them, meant to be a programme by TfL to clean them up for their mid-life.
Probably a silly question, but I’ve always wondered, is there a reason why the new routemasters are only in London and not in the rest of the uk? Great video as always 😄
There were plans to offer these to the export market. But the safety requirements with rear platform itself was an obstacle. So that did not get anywhere.
I could be wrong when I say this but my understanding is there is something about the deal when building them that they would only be available for London. I think it’s also why there were exactly 1,000 built as that was the minimum order to allow them to be for London only. I think I once saw Leeds (maybe other West Yorkshire cities as well) was talking about a bus like this there but I’m not sure how similar the bus there would have been. In North London, there were similar buses but without the rear door which I think are now withdrawn. The passenger capacity is also lower on these buses than other double deck buses due to having 2 staircases
Hey um you see the revolving door the kind of glass door I don't know if it can open but you see the kind of bar like the revolving door well you see the bar with the space for it well the door right next to it also has it but on the other sliding door bus it doesn't have it
Hello Anton, just now training as a bus driver, not fully there but can now drive a bus at a basic standard yay 😀 Just the corners I need to focus on and still need to practice reversing Yes I prefer the sliding door, will they amend the stock? I think they should. Feed that back to TfL and your operating company as that's a pain for you guys 😔
Congratulations on learning to drive a bus. I cant believe it was 20 years and 6 months since I started learning up in Huddersfield. The time has since flown by. Regarding the rear door change: I suppose it will cost extra to change the first 515 buses, plus it's a nice novelty, compared to the sliding doors.
Personally I don't think they would retrofit a sliding door on those with inward ones, the cost reason with the fact of money constraints at present and with fleet aging would it be worth bearing in mind life expectancy of these think is 15 year's and dought if any other operator would want them as no sales where made anywhere else though at first there was some interest.
When they first came into service they had Customer Assistants who monitored the open rear platform thats why you saw them open...These staff were all made redundant to save costs and as such the driver now opens and closes all the doors.
The plaxton primo minibus has a very similer set up as the door open inwards so if u are getting off the bus, stand back as it can catch the passengers
I always had this ones with outsode opening, on route 168 as they all had the 300, 400 or 500 series. But I ve seen on 24 route most are the first edition. I think that is the haviest bus in London
I think it's because the corner door was ment to open up so maybe if it was intended to be that way the it would of made moor sense but as it was never used they scrapped it and made the sliding ones as I logically made more sense
if i am on a new routemaster with an inward opening door, i always get out through the middle because it's slow when it opens. if it's a sliding door then i get out through there
I miss the days when we had 1 button to open the doors and people could freely get on and off wherever they pleased. It was also so much easier when we could pull up anywhere in the bust stop rather than at the badly positioned flag.
Hello everyone! Pretty much every bus in the north east of England is single door :(, and when they’re double door (rare) they don’t even use the middle door - wtf is the pount
The swinging ones always catch my feet Anton! 😂
These things us non-bus people never spot - Thanks for this to TH-cam for putting in my feed, and Anton for making such a simple to understand vid!
Another random NBfL fact: Routemaster LTZ 1812 has a fleet number of ST812 (and is the only routemaster to have a leading 'S') as it is shorter than all other at 10.1 meters instead of the usual 11.23 meters
Go Ahead London’s Camberwell garage sometimes provides buses for night routes at other Go Ahead London. So saying that have you ever driven the night routes for other Go Ahead London garages?
I thought they where in service for 15 years but 10 years wow I love your videos keep up the good work
Fascinating, I never knew that.
Meanwhile in Hobart, Tasmania- We still have buses in our fleet where the rear door has to be manually opened by the passenger!
I feel for you...
@@eastlancsesteem lol, to be fair, only 5 of the 231 buses in the fleet have manual rear doors, so could be worse I guess, those 5 buses are also high-floor and have no wheelchair seating, so pretty terrible for people with a disability
I'll miss the Oranas...
Now that would be interesting driving those buses.
What if the passengers don't close the rear door...? 🤔
@@DoubleDeckerAnton The doors are heavy enough that they will spring back fairly quickly, but that also means people get hit in the face with them!
LT 1-516 all have the inward opening door as in the video.
From LT 517 onwards the door opens along the side of the bus.
LT 2 was the first into service on route 38 in February 2012.
Thanks for the useful information!
I believe the inward opening door ones have buzzer that u can change the sound of too inside the door box
I live near northchurch road where the 38 stops and every time I have to get on the 38 I always get lt 2 😂
Thanks for the information.
I knew it was around LT 515 that the doors changed, but wasnt 100% sure.
I've seen LT2 in green operating at Arriva on route 349 and 313.
These route masters are actually amazing
Anton, around half off them have the non sliding door, why, because when the NBFL first started, they had conductor and the door was open, then theh did away with the Crew so other half were made with the sliding door
Awesome video Anton! I really like the back of the Boris bus
Me too Will...🙂👍
I didnt even know the sliding variant existed! It seems much better than the other ones
Lovely insight into your job.... Love all your videos! Look forward to the next one.
Great Vlog Anton :)
When BC Transit (in Victoria, BC, Canada) had their Dennis Tridents, they originally had doors that swung into the bus like you showed there. Although both doors opened and closed inwards, not just one. We used to have a rope blocking the area where the door opened and closed. However when the buses were refurbished around 2011 they changed the doors to swing-out "Plug" style doors.
The dennis trident 3 we have in Singapore have them too. They are sadly gone now. It comes standard with the duple metsec dm5000 body I think.
Great video. ☺️
On the newer models, am I correct in thinking the rear corner glass is just a panel where it was a door flap before?
Yes, your correct. I completely forgot about that. They changed it around 6 to 8 years ago now.
I travelled on route 24 when it had someone at the rear of the bus.
@@DoubleDeckerAnton I never got to experience one with a conductor on the back 😔
I agree on the space aspect on the platform. the second one is known as a slide and plug door there a lot better compared to the folding in leaf door on your bus as they also use them on most middle doors on boris buses and london buses too the keep the door out of the way and allow for more space and better flow. they also use that type of door on trains and trams as well generally.
Another great video Anton ⭐️👍🏽
Great video. The opening door that opens inward is great but people need to read and listen to the announcement that say “ stand clear of the opening door ” and people just stand there and get hit by the door
Hi double-decker Anton.another fantastic video well done and keep up the good work and I really like the Routemaster 😁👍🏻😁👍🏻😁👍🏻😁👍🏻😁👍🏻😁👍🏻😁👍🏻😁👍🏻😁👍🏻
67 yesterday and W15 today for my good mate Anton!!
I like the one that opens outward
Is it possible to retrofit the folding doors so they're all sliding? It could help reduce loading time and allow for faster trips.
Also, do the three door buses perform better than 2 door for getting people on and off?
Correct, Ten years now. The NBFLs that have the sliding doors, the back has been completely redone. The little inward opening door has been welded in, as there is no need for it to open. The back door that slides has got a new bar on the window next to it (in front of where the passengers sit). And an additional larger bar as been replaced with the small one (on the door next to the sliding door). The flooring has also been refurbished.
Great video as always Anton. I agree the sliding doors are better on the Route master buses. Hope you ok & having a good weekend x😃😊
I like the inward opening doors more
The inward opening rear door was originally going to have like a conductor or PSA, which would stand there for safety and give driver starting signal, only few routes had them to start with, and this idea was scraped and they was made redundant. So need for inward opening door was not required I think from LT500 to 1000, someone could correct me if wrong on fleet number sliding door started on. And first route in service was 38 in 2012. p.s. I have 24 corgi models of the LT so would say I am a fan of them.
Original inward doors too dangerous, as can take the shoulder off, as I found out, at least they removed the handrail.
ive also seen people get whacked in the face before
LT517 is the first with an outward slider
@@jacksugden8190 Saw a video in Taiwan/ROC of a passenger whose arm got stuck as the door opened while she leaned it on the handrail (used by the row of seats directly beside the door too besides people standing at the doorway)
Do you ever get people who stand in the way of the opening rear door which causes it to close right after opening? I just experienced it on my bus. I opened the rear door that swings open and someone must've blocked it, it closed on a child, but I was completely unaware as I was looking at the passengers boarding through the front door, until someone came and started banging on my cab door. I don't understand why they create such dangerous rear doors, if the sensitive edge is pressed when it opens it also closes, what kind of dangerous feature is this?
Good video Anton 🥳🥳🥳
Saw a Boris bus today on the 313, bodywork was in a hell of a state, Arriva not looking after them, meant to be a programme by TfL to clean them up for their mid-life.
Hi Anton I enjoy your videos just curious what number bus routes do you drive
Probably a silly question, but I’ve always wondered, is there a reason why the new routemasters are only in London and not in the rest of the uk? Great video as always 😄
They aren’t really new anymore and they were built for London.
I think because people outside of London may jump on for free and it wouldn't be economically viable.
There were plans to offer these to the export market. But the safety requirements with rear platform itself was an obstacle. So that did not get anywhere.
I could be wrong when I say this but my understanding is there is something about the deal when building them that they would only be available for London. I think it’s also why there were exactly 1,000 built as that was the minimum order to allow them to be for London only. I think I once saw Leeds (maybe other West Yorkshire cities as well) was talking about a bus like this there but I’m not sure how similar the bus there would have been. In North London, there were similar buses but without the rear door which I think are now withdrawn. The passenger capacity is also lower on these buses than other double deck buses due to having 2 staircases
I've always wondered how the curved part of the rear door works and why it is not used?
Hey um you see the revolving door the kind of glass door I don't know if it can open but you see the kind of bar like the revolving door well you see the bar with the space for it well the door right next to it also has it but on the other sliding door bus it doesn't have it
This is so exciting can't wait until you do a video of opening and closing the front door or better still opening and closing the windows.🥱
10 years anton, first route to have it was 38 and came in 2012
Yes Robbie, I remember 38 being the first route in 2012. It was rare to see them back then.
My local is the 111 and I get both types of New Routemasters but they are soon to be replaced by the Electroliners they are Electric Streetdecks
Let me know if you prefer the new or old buses when the change takes place.
@@DoubleDeckerAnton I will say the new one as I don’t have to hear stand clear of the opening doors
Hello Anton, just now training as a bus driver, not fully there but can now drive a bus at a basic standard yay 😀
Just the corners I need to focus on and still need to practice reversing
Yes I prefer the sliding door, will they amend the stock? I think they should. Feed that back to TfL and your operating company as that's a pain for you guys 😔
Congratulations on learning to drive a bus.
I cant believe it was 20 years and 6 months since I started learning up in Huddersfield. The time has since flown by.
Regarding the rear door change:
I suppose it will cost extra to change the first 515 buses, plus it's a nice novelty, compared to the sliding doors.
Personally I don't think they would retrofit a sliding door on those with inward ones, the cost reason with the fact of money constraints at present and with fleet aging would it be worth bearing in mind life expectancy of these think is 15 year's and dought if any other operator would want them as no sales where made anywhere else though at first there was some interest.
Remind me, what was the reason your not allowed to keep the rear doors open? I remember seeing some early days with them left open
When they first came into service they had Customer Assistants who monitored the open rear platform thats why you saw them open...These staff were all made redundant to save costs and as such the driver now opens and closes all the doors.
The plaxton primo minibus has a very similer set up as the door open inwards so if u are getting off the bus, stand back as it can catch the passengers
I always had this ones with outsode opening, on route 168 as they all had the 300, 400 or 500 series. But I ve seen on 24 route most are the first edition. I think that is the haviest bus in London
I need rear doors on all buses. Helps with not delaying people getting in. Also reduces dwell times.
Will the swing one's eventually be replaced?
I think it's because the corner door was ment to open up so maybe if it was intended to be that way the it would of made moor sense but as it was never used they scrapped it and made the sliding ones as I logically made more sense
The inward opening door bus has a ‘Stand clear of the opening door’ announcement before the door opens so there shouldn’t be a problem anyway
And also the door alarm will sound if the doors are closing just like the middle door
Do you drive the 453 or 390?
some inward door ones have an announcement which warns to stand clear however i find this quite slow
3:30 you can expect it to be slow, because before the door opens it says “stand clear of the opening door“
Anton, can I ask how does the other part of the rear door work?
Noticec also on the second one, the rear corner curved leaf doesn't open, unlike the swivel door variant.
I think the timing is pretty much the same , but the one's that open sideways are much better
if i am on a new routemaster with an inward opening door, i always get out through the middle because it's slow when it opens. if it's a sliding door then i get out through there
Facts!
Same
BTW Anton's on the 476 *RIGHT* *NOW!!*
Great Video Anton , They Always are!!
Are still on loan or are now permanently north of the river?
What route you on there?
How tall are you? I am always under the mirrors...
Around 6 ft 4, 193cm.
I was on the 267 bus and it was the same kind of bus and it had the the sliding rear door
The outward ones are definitely better and I prefer them because they are just ergonomically better. I don't like the inward ones
interestingly, I believe that LTZ 1900 was the last new routemaster to be made!
Nope that's LT1000
At abellio
LTZ 1900 is LT900 so the 900th
I'm not sure. I think the last 100 begin with 2 and not 1...example 902 is LTZ 2102
@@DoubleDeckerAnton oh interesting! ive never seen an LT bus which starts with 2*** so I thought that 1900 was the last one!
I'm pretty sure both of the doors should open but the one on the left is now bolted down for safety reasons
But in route 38,NBfL (New Bus for London) has got manual opening and closing doors.
Can u make new vs old
I don’t know why they just didn’t make all the “Boris buses” rear doors like the second one Anton, much safer & quicker!
DoubleDeckerAnton !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! .... I've missed YOU! ... Been over a YEAR since you've popped up in my Recommended YT list
In still here Simon...🤣
By way of comparison,a traditional Routemaster weighed 7 1/2 tons....
Oh wow LTs some been 10 to 11 Yrs old how time Going fast
Does the other door leaf not open?
They open differently.
@@DoubleDeckerAnton ahh right. When they had a conductor on when they were new was it done manually?
Anton driving the 76
That outward opening door is vulnerable of scraping a high kerb causing damage.
Sad to see these route master buses go enjoy when it lasts
I Prefer The Inward One
I miss the days when we had 1 button to open the doors and people could freely get on and off wherever they pleased. It was also so much easier when we could pull up anywhere in the bust stop rather than at the badly positioned flag.
The fleet number is not 1900. You need to remove the 1 so its actually LT900
I like sliding doors better. You can't get hit by the door on a sliding door
Pretty predictable , why did they build the stupid door version at all?
Strange doors
Very informative dazu w geb 😉
Hello everyone! Pretty much every bus in the north east of England is single door :(, and when they’re double door (rare) they don’t even use the middle door - wtf is the pount
They bought cheap buses and dont want to pay to weld in a window. It all costs money. They just blank the door off.
Lol that makes sense - tbf everything is more expensive nowadays, lots of local municipals are going out of business as they can’t afford to buy fuel
Nathan ?
hi
Do you have a son really random but there's a guy saying that your his son