Vasel Family Reviews: HeroQuest
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 ก.ค. 2024
- Tom, Violet, & Ruby Vasel take a look at HeroQuest!
Intro 0:00
Overview 1:20
Final Thoughts 9:14
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The best thing about this review is a bardic reference 😝
I can't crack my mind over it, let's look at it from abroad, while I rest on my piece of furniture. Oh no Mormons!
THE BEST THING ABOUT HEROQUEST IS THE BWOAD SWOAD!
The Brooad Swooard!
Fire of wroth!
BRODE SOWDE!
Fwire ov wof
Brood sowd
The best thing about Heroquest is a cracking review!
And the inevitable expansions, which should be promptly discarded!
The best thing about heroquest is the genre of games that it inspired.
My favourite part of Vassal Family Reviews is that Violet ALWAYS finds an opportunity to throw shade at Ruby 😂
It's heartwarming to see Tom's grin after his girls laugh at his awful jokes. As a father, I do the same haha
Thanks Tom, for putting yourself and your family, “out there”. In today’s relentless, social media world…it’s quite daring.
We always play a variant that you either get 6 movement or you can risk it to roll for move, that way if you need more than 6 you can chance it but once you roll your stuck with it!
man, back in the day, using that blank quest sheet in the back of the book... some of the things I added, like hidden doors behind bookcases, Scooby-Doo-style, a monster rising from the sarcophagus, one of the rusty weapons on the weapon rack is a lever that reveals the hidden actual treasure... I kinda always thought they wanted to have that kind of thing, like the base game is there to spark the creativity of the players and make them want to design more elaborate ideas, as opposed to all that being "in the base game"
The ideas sound like the same ideas that are in the standard quests. It's a game that sparked imagination, but there's really nothing happening here that we can't do with most overlord dungeon crawlers.
With the number of better overlord dungeon crawlers out there... Why not start with a better rule set that has better movement, better combat, more interesting equipment and leveling?
@@VaultBoy13 being a self confessed absolute nightmare with searching for things can you suggest any fun ones please ?
I picked up an original copy from thrift store for $5 about 8 years ago in mint condition, looked liked they had never played it. My kids enjoy the simplicity of it, but I agree with Tom, you really need to incorporate house rules to make this more interesting. For us, we use a set walking pace when there are no monsters about, and the dice when there are monsters to try and make it more thematic.
The best thing about Hero Quest, eh Tom
He knows 😁😁
I Thought the same!
Awesome work girls! I played a ton of this when I was a kid so I was excited to play the new version with my kids. It makes me smile to think how many dads are out there being Zargon so their kids can explore dungeons. My kids had a similar lukewarm reaction to it 😂
One of my boys loves it and wants to play all the time, the other hates it (he says) but he seems to have fun when we play lol
Great review! Picked this up on Amazon a few days ago because it was on a HUGE sale ($48.00)! I'll be getting it on Monday. I never played the original, but I like dungeon crawler games. I couldn't justify spending full price for it. As it is, I'll either enjoy playing it, or farm the minis for my D&D games. It's a win either way!
I never played HeroQuest, but it is what got me in to Modern board gaming. Specifically, I felt like I might have missed out on something with it as a simple D&D board game experience. I read through lots of D&D books as a teenager, but never got a group together to play save for an intro game here or there. When I went back to college in my 20s I found Descent: Journey's in the Dark 1st edition. I think that also only ever hit the table once trying to keep up with the pace of my degree. But through it and my desire for a Zombie board game I discovered online a world of board gaming I didn't know existed. Now I have an absurd collection. I saw this Kickstarter and it looks like it turned out exactly as I expected. If it were me, I think I would have preferred they kept most of it cardboard. Both for the production and the nostalgia. Since I never played it, the nostalgia isn't there for me and it looks like a lot of cash and a lot of production for what the game ultimately is. I agree with others in this could have used some kind of treatment that maintained the accessability but brought it up to contemporary game design standards.
I drove in my 1985 Topaz through the blizzard of 1991 to Toys R Us to get this game. Then I learned the rules and played it by myself after getting snowed in.
I'm very happy that they kept the rules exactly the same. I knew what I was backing and how it would play....
BUT...
I'm surprised they didn't take the opportunity to keep "classic" rules, and then have an optional updated set of rules to modernize it a little bit. That would have scratched the nostalgia itch while also making it something that may hit the table more.
I love your reviews with your kids, especially as a father. My kids are pretty young, oldest being 3. I would love to see a list of the best kids/family games grouped by kids age!
Agreed. As a father of three, that would be helpful.
Thanks for the review!
I wonder what this would have been like if Restoration Games had a hand in this.
Apparently they were trying to get the rights to do it. But couldn’t.
I suspect they would have pandered as well.
If it ain't broke don't fix it.
@@matthewduhn7906 Bad attitude. If something can be made better, it should.
@@lastburning It would be a different game. It is perfect as is to introduce kids and new gamers.
Why change it when you can play Descent for a different yet similar game? The game is what it is, and it is perfectly fine as is.
The best thing about Heroquest is that its still Heroquest!
09:00
HE SAID IT! HE SAID THE THING!
Looking forward to getting this to the table once it is painted
Stayed in a cottage in England as a kid. One rainy day my dad found both Hero Quest and Space Crusade in a cupboard. We were immediately hooked. The next few days we went to every toy and hobby place to find our own copies and brought them home in luggage. Always mean to try them with my own kids but I don't want to ruin the nostalgia.
This reminds me of a game I bought recently. Chronicles Of Avel. The combat, gear acquisition and exploration. It's fully COOP (so no need for someone to be the one that sets the things up). It has exploration in the form of uncovering tiles (hexagons randomly spread out), gear you can earn by buying it on a certain tile or defeating monsters, the ability to upgrade that gear by performing an action on another tile or (again by defeating certain monsters).
The dice combat works similarly, although thanks to the system of upgrading the items it allows for a bit more depth (a gear piece for instance can give you a once per battle benefit against certain monsters, while the upgraded version of that gear gives a permanent benefit like an extra die to roll). The dice have different colours. Purple and black for enemies, green dice as the basic ones you start with, yellow (has symbols which let you choose whether you use it to attack or defend), orange (attack focused) and blue (defensive dice).
Another neat thing is that the game basically has 2 major phases. First it's exploring for quite a few rounds, getting gear, upgrading it buying traps, walls, closing off monster gates, etc. which then leads into the second phase. That phase is when the giant bad guy spawns and is going to move towards the town you started at. Things that you set up in phase 1 can help you defeat it (traps do damage, walls help to defend the town a bit longer, etc.).
It's an extremely fun game. Very easy to teach, quick to play (at most 90 minutes with 4 players), incredibly flexible in terms of difficulty, and it has a charming vibe to it.
Well I ended up buying Chronicles of Avel thanks to this comment, so congrats!
@@hidoisensei Cool, I hope you enjoy it as much as I do. :)
The best thing about (the re-issue of) HeroQuest is the expansions being availble again! Only had one expansion in the 90s, so now I finally can get the others!
I still have mine. I love it so much.
I painted the original heroquest, played it recently with the new app :) works great solo
Not adding the all as part of the review is a missed opportunity…the app is a game changer and allows for the “Family” game to truly be a game where the whole family can be the heroes …it really is fantastic addition to the game.
The best thing about Heroquest is playing Heroquest, which is a cracking game!
I remember this game as a kid, at least some form of it. Was fun even though I had no idea what I was doing with my family.
Roll to move spices up the game from the heroes perspective. I don't mind it at all and see it as a design feature in HQ. It's a dice chucker game after all.
Tom, dig out those rules you used in college to play with your girls! I bought this game for my son, painted it, then sold it when he was too cool to play it anymore. Then a couple of years ago I cobbled together the game from my own minis, eBay and Ye Old Inn website to play with my friends kids - they loved it! They moved but I bought the Mythic Tier just to get the minis and extras (after finding out how expensive it is to buy minis nowadays. Just the minis are worth more than the price of the game) and play with 3 friends using the app. I also have advanced rules for just about EVERYTHING that lifts this game out of generic land.
Nice reference at the end.
The simplicity of this game allows you to easily add extra rules without creating any major imbalances. Tom's idea of movement for players is a good one, I'm using that. For searching for treasures, I made it you can only search to the number of furniture pieces in a room. Bookshelves, you pull the top two cards and choose one. Torture rack, top two cards but Zargon chooses. And mix up the stats of the heroes and enemies so they are all different between the male and female versions of each character. One will have more health but the other has more mobility. The game is a sandbox for adding new rules because of its simplicity which I enjoy.
This game had the horrible roll and move mechanic. If you have to make up your own rules the game was poorly designed to begin with. Now they changed the characters and made them look like they are out of final fantasy. The added characters with the exact same attributes is laughably bad and pandering. I predicted a long time ago that they could never make this game today without pandering. What a waste.
Its a good gateway into dungeon crawlers. Played with my 7 yo and he's already played Imperial Assault. I do think he likes this one with me on his team + the app.
Great review, really told me a lot about the game! A question: what would you recommend as a better family-style dungeon crawler or fantasy themed combat game??
Descent: Journeys in the Dark
Has anyone played it with the app yet? I expected it to control monster attacks after the last character has had its turn but it doesn’t. Does that mean we are supposed to them move the monsters ourselves? And since Zargon doesn’t move them doesn’t that mean we can move the monsters away from us? Otherwise I like the app in solo or two player games.
The best thing about HeroQuest is the Bunny Rabbit Dice ^^
The best dice in all the land!
Not adding the app as part of the review is a missed opportunity…the app is a game changer and allows for the “Family” game to truly be a game where the whole family can be the heroes …it really is fantastic addition to the game.
wooot Tom! thumbs up for "the best thing about hero quest" ::D
The best thing about the comments section of any video remotely mentioning HeroQuest
8:58 !!! The Best thing about Hero Quest is that this can happen!
The best thing about Heroquest...
Is more hero quest
Anyone have any recommendations for a similarly simple (my kid is even younger) dungeon crawler with more modernized design?
Arcadia Quest, maybe?
I'm sitting here, looking at my copy, the 2 expansions...and I love it. I have my old version too which is giving me ideas of creating double board sized crawls.
You can now also create Gravity Land
@@ohtheforlanity3205 Sick idea! Like 5D Star Trek chess!
The best thing about heroquest is that my kids in thier 20's now play....
Infact my daughter surprised me by buying an expansion
I had this game, wow
I like the simplest of the game this game proofs you can have a good D and D experience and not need to remember 100's of rules in a big boring rule book
Tom, have you played Demeo in VR yet? It's a great dungeon crawler board game in virtual reality for 4 people together.
HeroQuest is a great game. I own the original HeroQuest from 1989.
Both the basic and mythic tiers included the female versions of the Dwarf, Wizard, and Barbarian (and a male Elf), and Sir Ragnar. The mythic version incuded the Bard, Druid, and Warlock, as well as three extra quests, and alt sulpts for every monster, and the NEW DRAGON!!! So in that regard, Tom's critique of not enough new quests rings hollow to me (if you didn't back it and are buying at retail, obviously this is different). If you backed the mythic tier, you got the base game, 2 expansions, and 3 more quest books. Otherwise, I agree that there should have been "Base Game" and "Advanced Game" modes.
Definitly nostalgia fueled statement.... But its still one of the greatest games of all time.
It’s true
"You couldn't read your cards, don't you dare..." - Violet sounds just like her father! LOL!!! =)
Haha Violet starting singing MCR xD nice
4:05 'All these different enemies are not going to show up in one room...'
Unless you stumbled upon a convention.
Those trays have got to be a nightmare for painted minis.
Yeah...I may have thrown some $$ at a better insert for that. It's almost like it's "just for looks" the way Hasbro sells their "limited release" action figures for 50 a pop
This style of reviews are great for us parents!
That IS the best thing about Hero Quest!
It clearly sais "Hero quest - Game system"
The last part is what people need to remember. It's an amazing BASE to use for anything. Adding rules, monsters etc is extremely easy. Modifying the game to your liking doesnt take any effort if you have a seasoned GM to help you out.
you actually get a ton of quests if you backed the mythic edition, I'd imagine they will be sold soon retail...
Good thing I cancelled my pledge. Loved hero quest 30 years ago and would only get the original just for nostalgia
Had this as a kid too (probably still do somewhere) around the same age. My buddies and I thought it was cool but were pretty heavy into video games. The set up was such a chore compared to the payoff, we only played it a few times and I think the heroes got killed every time. The luck factor makes it pretty hard.
The worst thing about this game, in my opinion, was that it forced my favorite Sierra video game "Hero's Quest" to change it's name to "Quest for Glory". I could never forgive this board game after that happened.
actually there is nothing in the rules that state the furniture blocks you.
It's a great introduction to what a dungeon crawl game is. In my opinion it's a gateway game
The simplicity is the selling point. My family are not gamers so this is perfect for them. This also works for a game night when you don’t have time to commit to a lengthy campaign. My newbie gamer friends like this a lot. For myself, I like more complicated dungeon crawlers but I solo those.
There was a company from Spain creating a new version of this game until they got a cease and desist from Hasbro. Does anyone remember that?
GameZone was the name of the company
You need to read a little more about Movement. The monsters have the advantage not the adventurers. The dice makes the Quest different every time. The DM makes the game. Yes, house rules but that makes it fun. You need to read more, there is pleanty of quests, now with Dragons, and other monsters. If you think it is too simple, change it DM. This is a great game.
I would really be interested what your girls The New Dungeon game that came out around the same time of Hero Quest but was cheaper and maybe even simpler.
And which one is that
Look at the musculaaaarity
I also hated the plastic insert for this game. Luckily I found a wooden insert for it that holds everything including the expansions. The app is a plus as it allows it to be cooperative game instead of one versus all.
This Guy. Real Life the Game Show. No Board Games
What dungeon crawler would you play with your kids instead, though. As a first dungeon crawler, HeroQuest does pretty well. But, aye, quite a steep price for a remake, where they didn't have to invent any game at all, but just hit "print" (more or less).
How DARE you? At 9:04 when you said what the best thing about Hero Quest, I smiled like I knew. The rulebook?? Oh heeeell no.
I tried for years to get my friends to play HEROQUEST.
Never got to play it. Not even once.
If only they had Solo Board Games in the 80s
I love sibling rivalry. I have two sons 10 & 12…I know
Can’t wait to make Gravity Land….oh no mormons!
The best thing about heroquest is more heroquest
Impractical Jokers are on the same page
If someone opened a room with all those monsters it would justify yelling out Shut the door.
The best thing about HeroQuest is that it is not an Euro card game.
I shall coin the term "Hammer-Head" for WarHammer fans! You're welcome.
I felt like Tom was leading the witness. He was like, what did you think about this stupid rule? And they go err… I didn’t like it
They still gave the game a much higher score than him though, so in the end didn't seem to matter.
Omg Tom ur daughters are hilarious 😂
When I realized the art was the only thing that had been updated, I canceled my pledge. Sooooo disappointing. Theres tons they could have done to improve it. I wish Restoration Games could have gotten ahold of the rights. Oh well, I still have my original.
Descent 2 is a thing.
I have it with all expansions... HeroQuest don't have any chance...
Yes it's simple.
Yes it's a cash grab for Mattel.
Yes it's exactly the same as it was 30 years ago.
BUT IT'S STILL FUN.
My all time favorite and now my kids love it.
No it is not exactly the same. The cover and characters are different. The game was repetitive and boring.
@@Andrew_NJGloomhaven is also repetitive.
@@matthewduhn7906 Gloomhaven is the most overrated game of all time.
@@Andrew_NJ YES! :)
What is a similar but better game than this for kids?
check out mice & mystics or stuffed fables
Did you check out Ruby and Violet's top 25 games? Might be something good in there.
I disagree Tom. The best thing about HeroQuest is the BROADSWORD! (Sorry, couldn’t help it)
I feel like that was an intentional shout out from Tom, but yeah, I went straight to the comments to see if someone else thought of this :D
You've lost it Tom. This is our dungeon-crawler grandfather. And it's a damned good rerprint!
"You can't Interact with the Furniture"
Simple Solution: Just add that to your own game.
This is why Imagination is important. You can still homebrew the rules to suit your style.
Alterquest reinvented Heroquest with amazing results.
Do you find that there is too much upkeep in Alterquest? Some people say that there is too much going on per turn, but that it is really fun if you can get past that. What do you think?
@@CosmicTavern certainly is upkeep with AQ but for me that drives the entertainment value.
It’s TOO FUTURE
Nice nod to the bard.
I saw the game at Gamestop today but after the review I'm glad I didn't pick it up. For the price I just don't think the gameplay is worth it.
That's mostly how I feel about it too. But my family and I play it regularly because of the set of house rules I made that make it more challenging and give more of a feeling of progression through the quests (but still keeping it simple). It's way more fun to use it as a kit to design your own simple dungeon crawler than it is when you just open the rule book and play it.
This: It's way more fun to use it as a kit to design your own simple dungeon crawler
Compared to CoraQuest?
I was immediately dissuaded by the campaign when it was revealed that they weren't taking the opportunity to update the rules AT ALL. Just making new art and changing what they needed due to licensing. Yes, they upgraded the components but so what? That was such a low bar to hurdle but then they go abs scrimp on the insert. I viewed this as a cash grab and everything else I've seen since it hit stores confirms this.
I thought the same thing! Heroquest was the game that got me into the hobby. It will always hold a special place in my heart. However the campaign disappointed me greatly. It was expensive and no rules or mechanic updates. If I didn't have an origina copy I might have backed it but why? If it plays identical there would be no point.
@@kyleweeks2941 I'm in the same boat. Have an original copy and fond memories of playing back in the 90s, but since then I've played so many better dungeon crawlers that I can recognize that it's not good game, and I wanted and expected more out of the biggest toy company in the world.
@@MethosJK9 it was quite frustrating to be honest. Oh well I still have my games of Descent and a unplayed copy of Gloomhaven sitting on my shelf of shame lol
They made new content for the game, and will make more.
@@matthewduhn7906 So, adding cup holders to a rust-bucket-of-a-car still leaves you driving a hunk of junk when you had an opportunity to replace the engine that can't go 5 miles without something breaking.
Even if they are going to include only one gender for each character in the base game, it should be a mix instead of putting all males in the base and hiding all the females in the expansion.
A few things...
Hasbro never claimed that this was anything other than a modern reprint. They had to ditch the Warhammer aspects as Games Workshop is not involved in this project as they were with Milton Bradley. It is hardly a cash-grab when the game has been oop for 30 years with used copies selling for high prices on Ebay. It is a new printing for those who never owned the game, those who parted with it and had regrets, and those who want an upgrade in components.
The female elf is in the base set. The male elf is included in the heroic tier with the other female characters.
You want more quests? There's 3 new quest books in the Mythic tier! There's new minis in the Mythic tier, like the dragon. You can use the bard as well as the druid and warlock instead of the base characters for any quest.
The base game comes with new equipment that was only previously available in the European versions, ie. handaxe, bracers and holy water that were never in the North American version.
Recently, the Guardian Knights were released giving the game more new characters to play along with new card abilities.
You can also interact with furniture, treasure is found in chests, cupboards and bookshelves. Furniture are also obstacles that you must manoeuvre around. Chests also might be trapped.
The components are all upgraded. Bigger board, bigger minis, plastic dice (that won't fade), plastic furniture and doors instead of cardboard, US equipment with added UK equipment, more minis, more characters and more quests! It is the same game we all loved but with more goodies.
A must for any hardcore fans of HeroQuest and dungeon crawlers.
You don't interact with furniture, you search the room. Sometimes, searching the room gives you something that was found in a chest, cupboard or bookshelf. Most of the time, it's just decoration.
The only thing I miss from HeroQuest that modern crawlers don't do, is carving the dungeon from the rooms on the board. It may not be as variable as tiles, but it constrains the board to the center of the table.
I love HeroQuest. I still have my original copy. And, well, Hasbo cash-grabbed this. No matter how you look at it. It's a cash-grab. It's cool that nostalgia people got their copy. But, there's not much value in the game beyond nostalgia.
There are too many dungeon crawlers available that do it better, with higher quality miniatures and more hero variety, for a cheaper price. Sure, HeroQuest has the furniture bling, but the OG furniture was better. The doors are a nice improvement though.
@@VaultBoy13 Finding an artifact in a cupboard while searching for treasure, or getting pricked by a poisonous needle while attempting to open a chest are interactions. Searching the weapons rack only to find that the weapons are rusty and useless is also an interaction. If a character searches the bookshelves, a creative Zargon can reveal the titles of the dusty tomes.
There's more variety of characters in the Hasbro Hero Quest. Not only can you be male or female versions of the Barbarian, Wizard, Elf and Dwarf; you can be an orc Bard, a female Druid, and a halfling Warlock. The bard, druid and warlock each have unique spells. The bard has a rapier and the warlock has a wand. You can also play as Mentor as a Wizard variant. The Commander of the Guardian Knights gives you a male and female version to choose from, and they have new skill cards: Shield Block, Stalwart, and Knight's Challenge. There is as much character options as any modern dungeon crawler, and I am wagering that Hasbro isn't done yet.
Hero Quest is no more of a cash-grab than any other reprint, 2nd edition, 3rd edition, 4th edition, or any Kickstarter campaign for a game. The fact that you already own the game and find no use in the new one is on you, not Hasbro. No one forced you to buy it. I, on the other hand, found plenty of reasons to buy the new copy. The new content was the main reason. I like having more characters, and I especially like that there are 3 new Quest books: Spirit Queen's Torment (14 quests + artifacts), The Crypt of Perpetual Darkness (10 quests + artifacts + dragon mini), and Prophesy of Telor (13 quests + artifacts) plus bonus floor boards and tiles.
Modern dungeon crawlers using modular rooms and corridors comes straight out of Advanced Hero Quest by Games Workshop. If you want more RPG in Hero Quest, Advanced Hero Quest is the game you want.
I repurposed my original Hero Quest furniture, hero minis, and monsters in Advanced Hero Quest as they can be integrated into that game as described in the rulebook.
The Mythic tier of the Hasbro Pulse campaign was a deal @ $149.99 when you factor in the retail cost of the base game + Kellar's Keep and Return to your Witch Lord. Not to mention the bonus characters, quests, minis, etc. Awesome.
Hero Quest is a fun game.
It's a gateway game into dungeon crawlers and RPGs. In many aspects, including it's simplicity, Hero Quest is still the king.
@@matthewduhn7906 The amount of house ruling to make it work simply points out that the fans have to design another game to make it work. This is the only game I've seen fans do amendmently defend while having dozens of rules to make it pretty better.
The difference between the 2nd/3rd/whatever editions on Kickstarter is they actually update the rules. They put in time to make it a better game.
The fans have been fixing HeroQuest for decades. It's easy to make it better without bogging it down with more rules. Many of us figured out how to fix the game and improved when we were preteens. Hasbro put no effort into this reprint and it shows. From ripping off World of Warcraft for character designs with orcs that are basically green humans to the card and box art that's almost, but not quite, HeroQuest.
The crime is that this could be the best introductory dungeon crawler, but there's too many others that surpass it. The other crawlers are better in every way. Some actually work as competitive games where the overlord isn't playing story moderator.
It's great you're having fun with it. But, I don't see how anyone can think rubber stamping a reprint without making any rules updates wasn't a cash grab.
@@VaultBoy13 House ruling means that the game is broken. It isn't. Or that you want a different game. I have other games, so I don't need to house rule, I choose whichever game I am in the mood. 90% of Kickstarter games are broken.
HeroQuest is better than Zombicide and Massive Darkness, so it is a great gateway into dungeon crawlers. Gloomhaven is an unwieldy Euro card game.
The overlord is from Descent. Also a great game. HeroQuest has a game master. Hasbro has created an app that takes on the role of game master, so your point is moot.
PS is your version the UK/European version? That is the only explanation as to why you think that the game is broken. The Hasbro version is based on the US version and is definitely not broken.
Love it.. but Tom you were so obviously influencing your kids decisions.. would have loved their review without your leading questions… and emphasis on supporting what you wanted to hear… just my opinion…