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- What was your favorite battle (not counting Luffy vs. Kaido) at Onigashima? Which fights do you feel could have been extended or shortened? Do you think Oda including so many Supernovas in Wano was a good idea?
00:00 - INTRO
02:24 - ALL STARS
15:19 - Tobi Roppo
25:21 - Supernovas
31:44 - Orochi's Group
40:29 - Kanjuro & CP0
43:31 - Final Thoughts
43:59 - FROG FACTS
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Ulti honestly impressed me with her endurance. She fought Luffy, Yamato twice, got hit by Big Mom and then Nami. That's a hella lot of beating she took and she still managed to keep getting back up. The difference between her and Page One is so large.
Big Sis too stronk xD
I'm just gonna be honest, Ulti seems like she is actually just the strongest of the Tobi Roppo. Especially if you remember the fact that she didn't just take those big hits from Big Mom and Nami at the end. She also fought, pretty evenly, with Luffy for a bit, and took a surprise Thunder Bagua to the jaw from Yamato. She then fought for an extended period of time with Nami and Usopp, who were mainly doing hit and run tactics. All before taking a serious blow from Big Mom, and she was still able catch up to Nami and Usopp, and would have likely still beaten them if not for the assistance of Zeus.
I mean, in terms of shear durability, the girl seems to out-class the others by a mile. And That's not to mention the fact that she is actually kind of stupidly strong as well, since she was actually able to forcefully restrain Luffy for a bit.
Her main issue seems to be, ironically, that she's too hard-headed for her own good, sometimes.
I rly hope we get more about the all stars during kaidos backstory. I want to know exactly what made him hand pick Jack. When he stood up for Jack and said “your not weak, they are just strong” it was very weird. We hadn’t seen Kaido act so non abusive towards his group. And now that we see Kaido smiling in kings backstory…. Man I want to see Jack and Kaido being super wholesome. teaching him How to use haki or something.
I am surprised that Luffy did not get a chance to fight him
Maybe a flashback with Kaido playing catch with Jack xD Jack is like the son that Kaido always wanted but never had since Yamato was such a rebel
We all know dragons like to hoard treasure, so maybe kiado like hims coz he'll work for peanuts!?!
I'm sorry terrible jk but I make myself laugh😂😂😂
@@djmeagaaim17antman Would it have really been a fight though?
@@djmeagaaim17antman i mean, Luffy never had any personal beef with him, the minks did, i'd say this was handled appropriately. at this point, Luffy has already had a taste of a third division kind of commander and that was Cracker and won. then he jumped to the No:1 and beat him, why would Oda bring him back to square 1? the only way that would work was to Flex, but that would just undermine Kaido's crew which was not the premise of what Oda intended so someone less stronger but still stronger were the mink kings Neko and inuarashi.
“Robin and Law make a pretty good pair.”
Let the ship sail.
Considering I only expected Sanji, Zoro, and Luffy to have fights, I was pleasantly surprised! I’m more focused on the story so I don’t normally rate fights but Robin’s fight was how you say…clutch!
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I'd disagree i was expecting most characters to have a fight and to have a bunch of massive brawls with multiple tobi ropo vs some weaker SH's + samurai
I’d have to disagree as well. I see your point, and in any other, not battle-centric arc, I would agree with you. However, this is a war, a raid on a Yonko’s territory. Fights should be par for the course. Not expecting fights here doesn’t seem realistic to me.
Also, this is a story about pirates. You should almost always expect fights to take place at any point in time. Gol D. Roger said as much himself.
Robin fight was ass ,mentally weak, no haki
@@michaelmayers3622 it was the fight that felt the best, better than saji and zoro
I feel like usopp vs page 1 could have had a lot of potential. There could have been callbacks to little garden when he meets dorry and broggy, and he shows that he’s one step closer to having the bravery of an elbaphian giant by defeating a dinosaur like the first giants that inspired him
Would've liked that actually, especially since Elbaf is still down the line
I feel like a big theme within this arc as a whole is loyalty and lack of it. Drake and Appoo were mainly there to show more of how many issues Kaidos crew had from within (kind of the same concept as queen attacking both friends and foes), and with Drake switching sides (even if he did next to nothing), it was one less person fighting for kaido
bro the only reason luffy made it out of thotland was because so much people betraying big mom
@@yozaaawingwong4783 lmao thotland
Plus how Queen abused the Waiters and the Pleasures, making them resentful
I can appreciate that Hawkins hasn’t really served a major role in the arc but I feel like it would have been nearly impossible for him to not be in the arc with him being part of the alliance that Apoo betrayed. I agree he could have been better used in another arc but I don’t think him being in this arc could have been avoided unless he hadn’t been in the alliance to begin with.
Feel the same, he was my favorite supernova and I expected more, but it was a creepy fight
thats what i was thinking. and with Drake too, he didnt really have a choice. hes trying to get out whenever he can too, with info to go with of course which he already does.
Woah I entirely forgot about Hawkins. We will see him again.
I was just about to go into the comment section and write a similar comment!
While I personally have no problem with the way that Hawkins got used in this arc (he probably did more in wano than Apoo AND Drake did combined), I can understand why some people seemed to think that he should've done more. The thing is tho, there is no way that he wasn't involved in this arc, since he was a part of Kidd's initial alliance. Also, he probably wouldn't have fled during Kaido's attack since simply surrendering to Kaido probably would result in a much higher survival chance than fleeing would've imo.
Yeah I see what you mean, I can say the same for Perospero, all he did was serve as "revenge plot device" for the revenge storyline resolution for Carrot's arc and for Nekomamushi to fight someone which I felt like was unnecessary and felt kind of petty to be honest, I get that Perospero is a arrogant jerk but I kind of felt sorry for him that is he getting piled on for the death of Pedro, a death of which he was all willing to sacrifice himself to help Carrot and the Straw hats.
The rest of the Big Mom Pirates, the ones that came with Big Mom to Wano, like they still could had a big role in the story and yes, granted that would have been way too many enemies for the StrawHats and their allies to handle, but some of them (such as Smoothie and Daifuku) could have a fight, like say with the Minks, but no nope. So why even appear in this arc to begin with.
I think Carrot should have taken down Perospero only because it feels like she literally had no reason to be here. At least with Wanda. All this time to do practically nothing in the war is kind of weird. Also you say Asura Doji didn't have much to do but I think he did more than Kawamatsu lol
Nico Robin vs Black Maria was so badass. I like how Black Maria thought she succeeded in trapping Robin by manipulating Sanji, but Robin was like "you think I'm locked in the cage with you? No you're locked in the cage with me"
I liked seeing Kaido’s reaction when Big Mom was finally defeated. You could see that he really did care about her.
I'm 100 sure Oda intended these fights to be longer. Like an actual Enies Lobby 2.0 I have the same criticism for every fight. I liked it but it could have been 2 chapters longer
I for one am glad they were short..I really want the story to move on a bit...let the anime make them 10 times longer
@@ricardokojin7 lol. that works, gotta make that gap between em. Oda can have the animators incorporate what he wanted for the manga into the anime instead, Oda approved never before seen scenes:D
For what some extra jokes more random hits? We seen queen plenty we learned about king and saw his techniques and how he met kaido what else did you people want?
@@moreover798 lmfao what more do you people want lmao bruh
@@ricardokojin7 frrr i honestly dont rly like fight scenes anyway i just want more story bits nfienreni
Def needed more king. Can’t believe we got name, face and defeat in a single chp.
Though in general sanji vs queen felt
Longer than rest
not even kaku bruh
wasnt it two chapter?
@@wonder777warrior6 yes these people are just crybabies
Felt long enough to me lol
Sanji and fankys fights were the only ones i felt satisfied with. Also i just feel most of the scabbards are just not doing it for me as characters. Kinemon probably my least favorite character in the whole show because he was potrayed so weak and treated like a joke and then is now fighting kaido and im supposed to believe that? Like they didnt have to portray him as a beast. So many issues with wano and it makes me bummed out, didnt really have many issues and was hyped and enjoying till the raid it just feels off not like a real war
Page One’s design is one of my favorites in Wano all 3 of his forms were super cool looking.
What upset me about Perospero is how Carrot was kind of shafted. I would've definitely liked some attention on her, showing a bit more emotion and development on Pedro's death, but I think all we really got was "Wanda, that's the guy who killed Pedro! Let's get him!" And I would've liked it if she got the final hit in, even if you needed Neko to weaken him. As for Ulti and Page One, well, still have the same complaints as before. ^^;
And I hate fake out defeats because they don't make sense to me. Why didn't bigmom make sure law and kid were dead before trying to get to the roof. Why didn't kaido fisnish off the scabards but was sitting on his ass. Why Necko and Inu were supposedly 'defeated'. But perosperso and jack didn't feel like incapcitating them I guess. Its almost like they were talking and waiting for the moon to come up.
I have a theory Carrot got shafted since she attracts 'furries' and was given a much smaller role than she might've had in wano due to either fan or editor backlash from that. You know how both the furry lovers and furry haters are very extreme in their opinions after all, although I'd say the haters are much more vocal than the lovers.
But that theory wouldn't be confirmed until after Wano, which will be another year probably.
And that would be why Oda introduces Yamato too suddenly to replace Carrot's would've-been position?
@@gamewizard2008 Aye
Yeah, I don't get what Oda was going for with that since the only reason Pero is here was for the Pedro plot and Carrot is the prime character carrying on that weight. Even at the start of the raid she was getting good focus fighting with the Strawhats only to not finish the one person she wanted to fight? And I think Neko should've stayed with Inu, him switching targets was too spontaneous.
By and large I agree that a lot of the fights resolved faster than I would've liked, but at the same time I think a problem for me and some in the community is that because Oda kept bouncing around from fight to fight and location to location, we lost some perspective and forgot/didn't realize how long some of the fights were, and that if Oda instead went "Here is the start and Finish of Jinbe vs Who's Who, now here is the start and finish of Sanji vs Queen, and now here is the start and finish of Zoro vs King" and so on the pacing would've felt a lot better to me and most others in the community.
Overall though I really liked the fights, probably not the best in the series but definitely great, and probably the top end of at least New World arcs
Welll we can at least look forward to the anime stretching each fight to 5 episodes
I actually feel that introducing one fight after another wouldn't work. There's a flow, and a lot of people are focusing too much on the fights, and not the story beats around them. I kind of feel like this type of writing is very useful in one piece because it allows things to go on. In a lot of stories the plot revolves around the characters, but in one piece a lot of character Central things do advance the plot, but at the same time there are events around the world that affect the characters which in turn affects the plot. So what I'm trying to say is that in one piece characters are much more interconnected, meaning that the things they do matter, whether or not we see those things.
TLDR: What I'm trying to say is you're right we do forget that the fights all happen at once, and that we don't see a lot of the things that are happening because we're constantly switching perspectives. However be pacing would be worse if we only saw a single fight at a time because you missed the story beats and plot connections.
@@21forevergone couldn’t agree more
@@21forevergone true
I completely agree with you 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
I really needed something more from a couple fights, Who’s Who was spitting fire lore dumps, so another 1/2 chapter with him and Jimbei would’ve been nice, and Sasaki I felt we could’ve had a little connection with Kokuro? Mermaid drunk lady who helped in Enies Lobby and that could’ve had some good moments. Just needed a tad bit more considering they were really hyped up as combatants (Flying 6)
I agree. Like. For all the key fights 6 chapters more would have rounded out a lot. I do hope the anime goes for it and makes the fights longer
@@eneveasi I've got no doubt the anime will make these fights much more entertaining!
Sanji vs Queen is still my favorite so far but the ending to BM vs Kid w/Law was phenomenal plus Zoro probably had his best fight vs King so really good to me plus we got the biggest one still
Zoro vs king the best out of ALL of his fights? What about zoro vs kaku. That ones way better
@@makepr I was thinking about that one too but to me this fight stands above it
@@makepr nah zoro vs king is better, especially when it will get animated it will be wayy above
@@ballulallu4167 kaku has personality though. Even though hes w.g. brainwashed agent. And the fights so memorable. I read the kings fight more recently and i barely remember anything. Because the fight was so short that theres not much to remember.
@@makepr Anime will prolong the fight and the animation quality will also be much better
I feel like oda set up and drew just enough of most of the fights to make the manga good but it seems like they've all been made open ended for the anime to make the fights way longer
the anime was gonna make them longer regardless, what even is this logic?
@@clydu91 Thanks for your input clyde I wasn't going to go in depth and expand my statement because it's a TH-cam comment not a research paper. My mistake as it seems you are left clueless. I will try harder next time for your sake.
Which is a slap in the face of manga readers... especially when the anime is historically atrocious when it comes to pacing.
@@HopefulNihilist I mean the wano pacing has been pretty good so far
@@binks808
I've seen some comparisons between the regular anime and the One Pace version and it looks as abysmal as it's always been.
I loved Robins, zoros, sanjis and frankys fights, law and kid vs big mom has been my favourite fight for a long time, jimbe's was okay and I'm sad nami and usopp didn't get proper 1v1s, brook is OK as a support for me, he works best paired with others ! Can't wait for luffy vs kaido
I 100% agree with you on some characters just not needing to either be in or stay in the arc. Like Hawkins honestly suprised me because I thought for sure him and apoo would betray kaido and join the rest on the rooftop. But no that didn't happen. Hawkins stayed loyal until the very end and I take that as Oda being done with Hawkins in the story. Similar to bege I think oda is beginning to have some of characters in the worst gen exit stage left so he doesn't have too many pieces on the board anymore.
Okay I’ve been cataloguing Tekking’s One Piece vids for this year and this man has just hit thirty. Like, Matt, you’re on a roll with providing us with such good content holy shit-
I think these are the best battles we've had since Alabasta. Would have liked a bit more Chopper action.
I'm counting full groups of fights only. Franky Vs Mr. Pink was amazing.
Chopper did get some awesmoe moments in this arc and he had the guts to take on Queen so I'm satisfied enough and I look forward to seeing this all in full but yeah Chopper, Usopp, and Brook should've gotten a one on one victory here too.
I just don't get how people's first thought is a character is nerfed rather than the strawhats have gotten stronger as time goes on lol
there is no struggle in almost any of the fights, and it`s confirmed everybody had haki on the tobi roppo
Expectations are important. Kaido's crew had always been portrayed before Wano as a crew of strong men. Yeah the Strawhats have gotten stronger. But that portrayed "strength" should have been still there. And yet we did not felt it. Kaido carried that portrayed "strength". At retrospect, the Beast Pirates were the underdog during this Wano conflict.
I honestly think Apoo and Hawkins are only in this arc because Oda has no major plans for them. He made use of them to their fullest as minor antagonists, and I don’t imagine they’ll have much of a major role for the rest of the story.
Yeah, assuming Apoo doesn't turn out to be a triple agent.
@@LupineShadowOmega True, lol
I think Hawkins had to be in Wano, his whole shtick is assessing survival probabilities, so joining Kaido was the safest bet, better than fighting or trying to run away and flee.
I couldn't watch your videos for a while now, because I wasn't caught up with the Manga.
Now that I am I am glad to hear you ramble again, Tekking!
Nami's dialogue during her moment in the anime was the same as the manga, it was just the subtitles adapting it in a different way.
Chopper wants all the smoke with Queen and gets a fade in, Nami refuses to say anyone other than Luffy would be King and basically gave her life for it (thought it was over till she was saved) plus she wanted to finish off Ulti herself when she hit Tama despite Usopp begging her to run, Robin pulls out a 🔥🔥 ass tech against a legit toppi roppo for a W, Franky takes out aToppi Roppo that was gunning for the 3rd All-star spot, Jimbei low-diffs the highest bounty Toppi roppo who was a former CP-9 genius and was compared to Lucci, Brook consistently putting in work everywhere, and Usopp’s still a bitch -___-. I mean we’re more than 20 years in, this dude should be fighting at this point. One of the biggest wars in the anime’s history, definitely the biggest conflict the SH’s have ever been a part of, and this dude wants no smoke with anyone. Does it really matter if he finally becomes legit at the very end of the story? Like “sorry I’ve been a bitch for 25 years, but bow that we’re at laughtale and the journey’s about to be over, I’m ready to fight!” -_-. So disappointing. I was really excited after seeing him come back after the time skip proclaiming he wasn’t a member of the “coward trio” anymore. Now he’s the only one left…
The Fights were Really Good But I Kind of Wish They were a little bit longer Especially with Jinbei's first official fight being a straw hat with Who's Who but overall pretty good
dont worry they will be logn enough in the anime lol
gotta love how often tekking posts, i literally always have something to look foward to everyday
22:22 Don't forget the conversation between Robin and Brook after the illusions of Olvia, Clover and Saul (and Brook surely seeing the Rumbar Pirates), about why they cannot be tricked by them. That is probably the saddest thing I've ever read. And how they discuss it so nonchalantly makes it even sadder
It's weird that we've spent all this time with Jack and still haven't really seen him fight yet. Like seriously he is the only important beast pirate who didn't even have a named attack
Cause oda has to offscreen to keep pace with all the shit happening.
@@turokokokoko9714 I understand but it's weird that Jack was the one who was always off screened it's like oda doesn't like him
Jack is irrelevant,but char wise he is somewhat gud ig also wb didnt hav a named attack too
@@sarov7658 whitebeard chose not to name his attacks because he is too cool. Jack never got to use an attack cause all his fights got skipped
I don't think any of these fights so far have matched up to the quality of previous fights in the series.
Damn, 3 vids in a row for 3 days straight, you're on fire
Your videos always bring a smile to my face. Thank you!
I think the fights were good but the problem is that we overhyped the beast pirates. I think Wano will be better on the re-read.
Only for the fact that this topic was addressed in the first place it means there are problems with this section of the wano arc. We never asked how was the Marineford Arc or how were the enies lobby battles.
Raizo vs Fukurukoju will go down into annels of the history as the greatest battle of all time just beside Goku vs Frieza.
I really enjoyed/liked your opinions in this video
Thank you for a great video guys
I didn't like how Jack was defeated in the end. I get that he seemingly wasn't supposed to fight a big shot enemy, but he was an Allstar, one of the top commanders, after all. Let him at least get defeated by a group effort of multiple scabbards to show how they try to do their part in the battle after getting stomped themself by Kaido, or do something else to highlight him as the third strongest! But no: Here comes lord doggy, once again turning into Rainbow Mario for the 100ths time (yes, I think Sulong was boring in Wano for being spammed by the Minks non stop with seemingly no drawback)
I love your videos they always make my day
Finally early loving the content and your humor tekking keep being yourself
For me, Dranke needed a bit more in terms of action, but an infiltrating marine is super interesting for a battle against a Yonko.
And Hawkins more represents that the Supernova weren't up to snuff for the New World-even among the Worst Generation, some are a cut above and below the rest.
I like this video alot because I read the spoilers right before, It's nice to have this kind of speculation when you know some answers.
Love the video keep up the great work tekking
I was a big ulti fan no thrilled how things went her lol but as you mentioned it was still cool to see how tough ancient zoans were shown to be through her
Notice how when Queen, King and Big Mom were defeated, it didn't say they were defeated like it did with the headliners, it just said that the victors were zoro, sanji, Kid and law if I am nit mistaken. Oda might have intentionally worded it that way so that they could still play a role
king and queen got their arms destroyed, they weren`t killed because Oda doesn`t like to kill, even in a WAR, i just hoped king awakened his df, kind of an underwhelming fight, if it results that only paramecias can awaken then it would make everything less enjoyable
@@superwaffle9312 I don't know, the fights were definitely enjoyable, and we already know that zoans can awaken as well, since the guards in Impel Down were the first fruit users to be awakened in the story. If we get an awakening in this arc, it'll be from Kaido and/or Luffy
@@aarondean5192 i just hope i see a zoan awakwning, or op would have been so biased towards paramecia, literally being the meta
@@superwaffle9312 again, we've seen like 5 awakened zoan users in the story
@@aarondean5192 even if you say that, we haven't seen any abilities that might derive from those zoans, also we didn't even know their identities, it would be very lame if no one from a yonko crew was awakened
Would say the battles are a mixed bag where they have high points like seeing kaido and big mom vs Luffy law kid and co and all the lore information we are getting in between from whos whos and Yamato from the gum gum fruit and everything about acw.
I still think some plot lines are way too long of the enemy coming back again and again with ulti overstaying her welcome or orochi after his power was gone still making a mess of things. Sure it works with kanjuro and the fire.
But overall it's best experienced all at once like one piece arcs are useally best at.
All info is positive info when it's spoken with truth behind it. When you can continously add deeper thoughts to be questioned along Your ahh pervfecting you skill😎. Awesome sauce!
Looks like tekkings been taking better of himself lately.i don't know if he's eating better or working out but keep it up
I feel like most of the fights in Wano are super unwhelming. The fights with Who's Who and Sasaki just kinda ended. I was "that was it? They're gonna get back up right?" The fight with Who's Who was just a exposition dump followed with Jinbei winning. Franky and Sasaki was fun but it just kind of ends. Those are the only fights I think are straight uo bad because I was honestly expecting a little more. Zoro's and Sanji's fights were good. Law and Kids fighting Big Mom was good. I kinda like Hawkins and Killer. And Roofpiece is the peak of the arc imo. Every other fight was just unremarkable, felt rushed or felt anticlimactic. Also a lot of fights are happening off screen. I think that's the problem with Wano as an arc. Oda's kinda struggling with juggling all these characters at once. Gotta say, with the amount of hype the Beast pirates got, they're super underwhelming considering how easily they've been dispatched.
fr, they were the ¨strongest pirate crew¨, it felt worse than CP9 and they were just a little group,i also feel that señor pink gave a better fight than Sasaki, best one was Robin vs Black Maria it was needed, haven`t even heard her say something cool if there wasn`t a poneglyph
Dang, I posted something similar and was afraid of the backlash, but now that I’m looking around, apparently this is a popular opinion.
Idk i honestly dont like fight scenes but thats just me
@@ottosmiddletoe387
Then why are reading/watching a Battle Shounen series? Lol..
Tobi roppo encounters were rather disappointing, I liked sanji vs queen and zoro vs king but the constant offscreening and stepping away from the fights made them less impactful to me because you don't see the whole encounter and you only see it in fragments with breaks inbetween.
All of the fights were worth the bandwidth to watch but some of them were more memorable than others.
Robin & Brook v Black Maria et al was my favorite but the big 3 (monster trio) fights were damned good as well.
Law and Kid v Big Mom was great too.
Ok, Raizu v Fuku was not great but thematically it worked for me
Kek more like law with a very small amount of support from kid vs big mom
@@Aldranor If hitting someone with a rail gun is a small amount of support I want to know what a large amount is.
@@Aldranor 😂 more like kidd busting her ribs and tanking 90% of the damage while law occasionally sneak attacks and complains about being ordered around.
Law would get doflamingo’d again if he wa win the 1 v 1
I got a question. If y'all know the Raizo and Fukurokujo fights we're more for thematic purposes, then why do you keep criticizing that it happened? That is a legitimate question I have for this fandom. If you understand why the fight is important why are you upset that that's happening?
@@21forevergone I have a question as well. What about what OP said makes you think that he was criticizing that it happened? The statement was and I quote "Ok, Raizu v Fuku was not great but thematically it worked for me" Where exactly did he criticize its existence? The part where he says it wasn't great? Can't be, because that isn't what those words mean. Saying that it worked for him thematically? Naw.
Did you just build a strawman for a fight discussion? And then attribute that strawman to "The Community"? What was even the point here?
I’m loving wano, this is the first arc that I’ve been following week to week and it’s a great experience. The fights have been fantastic in my opinion. Also drake isn’t done yet, he’s going to do something you’ll see this week when the chapter comes out
The thing about one piece fights is the aftermath and effect it leaves in it's world, the fights were solid overall with Robin vs Black Maria and Law/Kidd vs Big Mom being the standouts for me.
I'm just waiting for all the fights to conclude and see how it changes everything since these fights would impact the pirate era in a big big way since 2 yonkos are going to be dethroned.
Jeez... you've been on the daily grind
32:00 as you were talking here about the beheading of Orochi, I thought about what if Kaido had used a Seastone blade when he cut off the head of Orochi..... Wait, Smokers weapon, the tip was seastone, but why not the whole thing? Zoro/Mihawk: coat it with armorers or conquerors, duh..... Wait if you can learn that then why aren't there actual swords made from seastone? I think this helps explain why the WG Navy doesn't just teach everybody Haki. If everyone knew how strong they could be how many more people would try to be that strong; if enough strong and strong willed meet people are together then you'd end up with more than just a Revolutionary Army.
Hawkins - I feel like Oda wrote himself into a hole in chapter 795 (at the end of DRESSROSA) when he included Hawkins in the alliance the fought Kaido. The way Oda decided to tie Kid and Apoo to Wano/Kaido meant that Hawkins had to be included unless he was killed/defeated or somehow escaped.
Drake however I feel was pretty important (in a way) to Wano and I think because of his devil fruit he had to be tied to the beast pirates.
Things that Drake has caused or help cause in wano:
-We learn about SWORD and Koby being a member of it
-He saves Law from prison, why did he do that?
-His presence causes Sanji to wear the raid suit for the first time or else he would be recognized
-It was Hawkins that did this but he could have been the one to recognize Soba Mask/Robin/Nami in the bathhouse
-Interaction with CP0 (Sword vs Shield)
Some of these things theoretically could be done by Apoo or Hawkins as they can be done by any beast pirate that would recognize the straw hats
I have enjoyed the fights so far. The match ups are fair, the power ups aren’t too insane. But I think I was most disappointed by the Tobi Roppo not for anything other than I had higher expectations for them. When I found out if they captured Yamato they would have been able to fight for a Calamity position I thought they must be close in level to a commander these guys are tough. After their fights though A. None of them would have even come close to slowing down Yamato down let alone catching her. She would have walked through all 5 of them simultaneously B. In the off chance they were able to bring her to Kaido, King and Queen would have the easiest fight of their lives keeping their position. (Jack probably high diffs them) But looking back at their final fights they were excellent and at the perfect level to take on our Strawhats (Jimbei might have deserved better)
Sand out fights to me:
Robin vs Black Maria: The first time Robin has had a fight in forever, it was evenly matched, with good pacing and a cool power reveal. Probably the best non emperor related fight of the arc in my opinion.
Sanji vs Queen: I wish it was one chapter longer, because it felt like they damaged each other too much off screen. But, I really liked everything else about it.
Jack vs Neko and Inurashi: For sure a good fight. We didn't need this one to be as long due to motivations being established already; plus the revenge moment was so badass.
Hawkins vs Killer: This fight was good. Killer's struggle, loyalty, and strategy made this fight really enjoyable; could this have been apoo instead of Hawkins and gotten the same result? For sure. But it was really nice to see Killer having an impact on the war.
Solid fights that would have benefitted from one or two more chapters each:
Zoro vs King - the tide turned waaaaaaaaayyy to quickly considering how strong King is supposed to be. I think the lack of back and forth hindered this fight's full potential.
Jinbei vs Who's Who - Lot of great lore revealed here, but it felt like Oda cared far more about that than the fight itself. The CP0 scene where they went 'oh Who's Who is fighting Jinbei, he's fucked" told me that these two never should have been matched up. I love Jinbei's fighting style, but two more chapters would have made me believe Who's Who was a worthy opponent.
Franky vs Sasaki - This fight was super creative, fun, and hilarious; I wish it went two chapters longer. They felt evenly matched and are clearly both endurance oriented fighters. I just think a longer fight would have been better
Bad fights:
Nami vs Ulti/Ussop vs Page One - They dropped the ball here. Lots of good character moments for both Nami and Usopp; but neither of them doing the majority of the legwork really bummed me out. I wish these two got full enies lobby style one vs one fights.
Scabbards vs Kanjuro - Kanjuro is an awesome villain; but this fight was all over the place. The first encounter outside was beautifully done; and saves this plotline for me. But once Kanjuro came back, it felt soooo redundant.
Carrot/Wanda/Neko vs Perrospero - I hate this fight. It has every terrible qualitiy of the wano fights all rolled into one. It was almost completely off-screen, felt extremely rushed, undercut Carrot's entire character arc up until this point, and felt devoid of emotional stakes because it was so disjointed.
Robin vs Maria was my favorite fight
If king appeared to the SH crew again and told his Life story I could see Franky breaking down crying and saying Please let him join us Luffy he's all alone, King For Straw Hat I doubt it
I agree that Perospero didn't need to be in Wano neither did Hawkins
Not sure if anybody brings this up but with gaining Zeus this is now the second time Oda has made a point of showing Nami benefitting from Big Mom's powers second handedly(the first time being just her using the Virve card Lola gave her.) Dunno if that means anything but it's kinda neat.
I wish the fights for the strawhats not named Zoro, Sanji and Luffy were longer but i still enjoyed them alot. Franky v Sasaki being my favorite, i do wish their fight had a better story/emotional impact though
The Zoom in "Stare at them!!!" 😂
I also love Queen's dance & songs.🤣💖
I feel with the arc not being over and oda being oda it's to early for this video. Love you tekking
I think Hawkins had to be in this arc, because among the supernovas he is the coward. The one who saw the Yonkou and gave up. Bege, Apoo and Drake joined different Yonkou due to their own intiatives, with their own plans and intending to stab said Youno in the back once the chance came, while Hawkins just forfeited. So he had to go down before any Yonkou went down, while working under a Yonkou, in the same arc in which said Yonkou was defeated.
Given the conditions his character had to fulfill, he had to go down in Wano.
15:30 i love page one! He is friggin awesome and he was just a greater fighter. He went up against double sanji
23:41 Franky GANG
I feel like Perospero needed to stick around to remind us the threat of fighting two emperors at the same time. Even though the rest of the Big Mom Pirates are fighting against a waterfall
Honestly, Judge and Queen should indicate the type of person Vegapunk is accepting of having around. The heartless and determine scientist, Sanjis father with his cloning technology and Queen with his inhumane chemical warfare.
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Bro, Ulti can crush my skull any day of the week.
I love when tekking references stuff
6:27 missed smash mouth reference there. jack was never gonna break the mold.
King for Straw Hats. Luffys crew combined with his grand fleet will achieve big moms goal of having a person of every race with them, luffy already commands so many different races
Zoro’s fight with King was extremely satisfying & epic, it reminded me so much of the fight against Mr: One 🔥 up till that point he hasn’t really been challenged in the New World
Other than King, Jack, Ulti, and Hawkin's fight, I was EXTREMELY DISAPPOINTED by all the other fights. Here's why (keep in mind they're all ancient zoans):
1. Queen: He just kicked around a bunch. That's all. I feel like as an All-Star with over a billion bounty, you gotta be more durable than that. Granted, he did fight Marco, but so did King. And King's fight was phenomenal.
2. Who's Who: He got punched a few times. That's all. For somebody who's supposedly touted as the strongest Tobi Roppo, he sure wasn't durable at all. Remember how Ace fought Jinbe for 10 days? This dude's weaker than rookie Ace.
3. Sasaki. Same problem as Who's Who. Franky is definitely strong, but he's not nearly as strong as say, a Supernova. This fight ended in a way that makes me feel that Franky just defeated a supernova-level character very easily. Heck, Franky had more trouble fighting Senor Pink.
4. Black Maria: She got snapped. That's all. Seriously, you're a fucking ancient zoan. Ulti took a fucking cannon blasted through her stomach and got struck by a massive thunderbolt before falling. Maria just got bent over and she's defeated. Like WTF??? I'm sorry, but there's no way Robin's techniques are that strong. We all know that.
5. Page One: This one is self-explanatory. Similar to all the others on the list. An ancient zoan's gonna be much tougher than this. A single conqueror's punch? Really??? Law got pummeled by Big Mom when he was laying on top of her, and keep in mind Law is widely known as somebody who doesn't have much stamina. Really felt that it's gotta take more than a single punch to defeat an ancient dinosaur user.
And I also have problems with the scabbards. What the fuck is that Kinemon ass-pull shit? Kaido cutting him exactly in the spot where Law cut him, where miraculously he somehow didn't get 'properly attached' so Kaido's blade didn't actually cut him? Fuck that shit man. I love Oda, but sometimes he really writes the dumbest shit. And yes I agree with Tekking that Sulong Wanda and Carrot could've defeated Perospero. It would've made more sense for Neko and Inu to fight Jack together. Which also reinforces the closure of the Jack-Zou feud. And Kiku really should've just died, although it'll be really sad. Getting an arm lopped off and getting stabbed by Kaido? Like who're we kidding? Come on, we're in a war for god's sake. Casualties are a guarantee.
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I feel that fans got so angry about another death fake out scene and they stubbornly refused to accept any reasoning behind it . The whole thing with law’s devils fruit was not that bad , but it was executed terribly , you have every right to be upset about kinemon’s death fake out but let’s imagine a diffrent version of that scene . Let’s say kaido whacks kinemon with his Kanubo and kinemon breaks into a bunch of pieces like a toy, we all be scratching our heads wondering what the hell just happen , but then oda reminds us about law’s devil fruit and I’m sure everyone would have been like “ oh ok that makes sense “. Once again I’m NOT defending the kinemon death tease scene , but the whole thing with law’s devil fruit does make sense , it just used in a very bad way .
Id actually say Franky could be supernova level, comparable to Bege, Urouge, or Hawkins etc. Franky "struggled" against Senor Pink because they were locked in a manly duel where they accepted eachother blows, so he didnt use any of his attacks other than his punches and he didnt try to evade either. Basically he didnt go all out in that fight until the end. I do wish his fight with Sasaki was more fleshed out and that ge struggled a bit more but it was enoyable at least
The SH's vs Beast Pirates fights were all fine to me. Until Tama used her dangos to take control of the gifters, they technically weren't 1v1 battles. It was mostly the SHs fighting the TR and their subordinates.
I hated how Perospero kept getting plot armor throughout the battle. Rereading it feels like Oda kept Perospero around just for the sky split moment. Because once that happened he immediately got one dropped. First Carrot and Wanda show up in Sulong to fight him, we offscreen to them being defeated while Perospero says they almost had him BUT the moon got blocked. Then later the exact same thing happens again with Neko. This Willy Wonka reject design had almost as much plot armor as the MC.
Really loved Kid and Law vs Big Mom. My boy Kid showed out. Finally got an epic fight that was mainly devil fruit focused instead of haki focused. Praying that she never comes back
i don`t care about antagonist plot armour, the protagonists had so much plot armour the arc is unenjoyable, i didn`t like marine ford but it was better war arc, probably the best one i`ve seen in anime and i didn`t like it
I really hope the anime extends these fights cause they were super short in the manga I felt. Only one I felt should have been short would be Jimbeis. They should have given him a stronger opponent imo. He could have fought someone as strong as one of the all stars I feel.
I still believe that Orochi will be the last one to be taken out. Wont be killed but I am convinced that he is the most emotional plot thread. The oppression issue with the Kurozumi and then with the minks, and Fishman as a broader issue. It's a constant issue needing to be solved
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I think with Drake and Cypher Pol I believe the reason that Oda didn’t show the fight is because he wants to keep CP0 masked characters powers a secret until later arcs
Wouldve been cool to have a Franky flashback to the sea train incident before taking a tricerabullet from Sasaki. Im sure Oda could spin it in a really emotional and cool scene for Frankys character
I feel like Jack got beat so early so he can help kaido, king, and queen get out safely. He has had enough time to heal up enough to help them get away but not fight.
Oh and anything involving Ulti was awesome.
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Yeah some of the fights final hits definitely lacked impact but they're probably gonna be better in the anime
I’m honestly curious on who the third race is or was that big mom was talking about when she said there were 3
I think the anime will definitely make a lot of these fights longer and better.So I’m hype in seeing the fights be animated
Well, if it was too much for Onigashima War (I mean moving parts with Drake and Hawkins), what will happen on LaughTale or in Final War arc, where Oda stated that he will write the biggest brawl in the history?
Hey tekking, do you think oda has in mind some relathion betwen sasaki and kokoro (W.7,E.L.) but for time or something oda dint do it, i said it because the haircolor and style, the drinking form, he´s a gyojin, and the style of the hat. and of course, he battle franky it looks like a lot of coincidences 4 me.
sorry 4 my english.
Hey now he's an all star, get his game on, Jack rage!🎶
Brook showed finesse in the black maria fight... He knew robin had what I takes and he paved the way for her to show herself! That fight was the only one who felt really rewarding amongst the tobi ropos... Robin is the greatest
for what is the longest arc
i feel almost every fight was rushed and under done
like a chess game setting up all the pieces just for the game to end shortly and with ease
I'd love to hear your take on a "What if Geco Moria beat Kaido in their war/rivalry?"
Keep on asking brother
The fights were too short in my opinion and from what I saw....They should all have gotten back up multiple times. Ulti tanked, Yonko attacks, multiple lightning strikes and all kinds of stuff and kept coming back until finally getting takin down by Nami. Big Moms conquerer infused punch beating Page 1 makes sense. But Who's Who, Sasaki, Possibly Black Maria. All of them shouldve gotten back up, just feels like Oda suddenly nerfed the Ancient Zoans endurance feats I guess
Hey Matt ... just wondering and I know you've done haki videos but where does haki stand in the power scheme of things 🤔 I mean like nen charka ki Reiatsu that's all based on one's life force and haki is more of one will power .... what I'm getting at is like what if pain fought smoker would smoker win simply cause pain doesn't have haki and can't touch him or is there a go around. Is there some sort of way to explain power schemes on a even ground. 🤔 anyways love your videos man thanks for all your hard work you put into them.
Tekking you forgot to talk about Hawkins vs Killer. I think that fight was a great moment for Killer and one of the best fights in this arc.
I got nothing to say other than I agree with everything. At this point I'm just commenting just to comment.
Completely agree with everything to the tee
what i really don't like about wano is they don't really do anything with awakened zoans. would have been an indirect development for chopper, lucci etc. i guess drake and kaido can still do something but you'd expect the calamities to have at least something that would make someone like Doffy scared of kaido aside from being more tanky than normal.