@mike force proove hell exists, gravity, atoms etc have already been prooven. as usual the insults come out early to deflect from the complete lack of any coherant argument. ps what is a dumbakk? thats a new 1 to me
@mike force demonstrate the existence of hell please. you still cant do it no matter how much you attempt to deflect by attacking my admittedly poor grammer. gravity is really easy to demonstrate, simply drop something. gravity is the force that makes an object travel towards the centre of mass (of earth in this case)
@mike force 1 i have answered you. 2 you STILL havnt answered me, il ask you again. give me any evidence whatsoever to back your claim that hell exists
Not just "build a battleship", but build a revolutionary battleship, the biggest and best armed battleship in the world (briefly). Those were the days...
Gets worse. At that time, the French authorities simply could not agree, or decide, on anything regarding their battleships. Every French battleship built in that era would be subjected to multiple major design changes WHILE BEING BUILT, and that insanity would continue even after launch, with new technology being crammed in or on pretty much on a whim. It is said that, at this time, the French Navy's battle line was not so much a fleet as a collection of prototypes.
Just realised I didn't make one thing clear. This mania for radical redesign and alteration was NOT done by class as one might expect, but on an individual ship basis.. So even ships of the same (alleged) class would have major differences.
7thsealord French Predreadnoughts tick all the boxes for being useless capital ships. Obsolete on launch? Check. Prone to capsizing? Check. Structurally unsound? Check. High risk of flooding? Check. Horrible armament design? Check. Horrible armour design? Check. Use of new, untested and often pointless technology? Check. Ugly as sin? Check. There are many capital ships that have one or two of the same problems but none of the others have ALL of these problems.
Got to be my favorite narrator of all my podcasts. A great combination of clear voice, perfect syntax pronunciation, subtle snobbiness combined with a pinch of humor I love it
@@trajan231 No, I meant the airplane. One can make a silly argument as to which one should be thought of as making a battleship obsolete. But my comment references the period of Dreadnoughts glory days (1905), and by the time an aircraft carrier hit the water, (1918 for a full deck) the HMS dreadnought was already made obsolete by superdreadnoughts (1910). The airplane however, was already flying (1903) and militaries around the world were already considering their use in warfare. Therefore, the outcome of such an aforementioned silly argument is irrelevant, and once again... No. I meant an airplane.
Also, it is the Airplane that does that Attacking. The Aircraft Carrier says, "Okay, Airplanes, you take on that Battleship over there; and, I will just sit here safely out of Combat Distance from that Battleship.".
@@stevequerin2504 I'm quite sure that the sailors and airmen who fought those battles didn't have such useless debates over whether it was the carrier or the planes, especially since there are no airmen or sailors who were delusional enough to ever think the carrier was ever "sitting safely" during a time of war. The entire point to my last response was to simply put an end to such a foolish comparison. I sincerely apologize to the Navy (both pilots and sailors) for failing to do so....
@@dayaautum6983 ... HMS Dreadnought: I make all Battleships before me obsolete! The Airplane: Hold my beer (My Assumption) The Airplane is going to attack HMS Dreadnought to make HMS Dreadnought an obsolete Warship Design. Aircraft Carrier: Okay, Airplanes, you attack that Battleship over there; and, I will sit here safely out of Combat Distance from that Battleship. (My Assumption) Your Airplane was launched from my Aircraft Carrier to attack HMS Dreadnought. In essence, my Original Reply was in support of your Original Posting. ¿What? ¿You have Proprietary over your Original Joke that Mark Andrew didn't catch onto? whatever
This suddenly popped up on my feed. No idea why this one in particular, but there was no way I could not click on it. :) Keep up the awesome work, Drach.
i cant believe that was the first sarcastic or well informed quip he ever made.. but if so u documented it.... nice one ...if ur new to channel be prepared for more.. much more
@@johngregory4801 ok so its episode by episode...maybe we need a counter in the bottom left a a loud ping sound when one is added.... :) full length of the channel.. with the kamchakta double bill sounding lik a pinball machine.... would be an amazing timelapse ...all the best
snakes3425 And little did he know that his new invention would a) help trigger WWI (though it was inevitable at that point, he made it worse), and b) become obsolete in the 1930s.
As pointed out in the video, _Dreadnought_ was not the first or even second dreadnought to begin construction, just the first to get done. If Fisher hadn't rushed _Dreadnought_ all the British battleships end up obsolete... instead of all save one.
Well, just remember: "obsolete" is not necessarily the same as "useless." If war had broken out with Germany on January 1, 1907. the RN could quite capably set up a blockade, or fight a general action with its clouds of pre-dreadnoughts. "Obsolescence " was rather notional until there really were significant numbers of dreadnoughts in operation.
@Golden Eagle She tried to ram the u-boat but fail. Edit: in my rush to type how incorrect your statement is, I myself am wrong as Warspite did sink a submarine in ww2. You are right there. I thought it was her own attempt to ram but fail to sink a German u-boat in WW1 you meant. Silly me.
It's not the most decorated RN ship ever, it is the most influential. And sadly maintaining warships is a hobby of voracious appetite on the finance part of things.
Some other channel had a video about HMS Dreadnought. I clicked on it thinking it was your "five min guide" and of course was quickly disappointed. So I had to close that video & find yours. And that was when I realized it was the very first one you made. And now I'm about to watch it. Glad you redone these in your own voice btw.
HMS Thunder Child definitely needs a review. Everybody should know the tale of her sacrifice in the face of 3 mighty threats No rush though, I wouldn't mind waiting until, let's say, early April to watch a video about it
Maybe, if he doesn't want to honor the brave souls that died aboard that valiant ship for some reason, we could get him to review the HMS Polyphemus instead. The two ships were pretty similar, after all.
Admiral Fisher: We now have the most powerful battleship ever built Guy: Uh Admiral it seems someone put the gun director and the fire control room behind the forward funnel Admiral Fisher: D'OH!!!!!
"Unopposed under crimson skies Immortalized, over time their legend will rise And their foes can't believe their eyes, believe their size, as they fall And the dreadnoughts dread nothing at all"
The British built Dreadnought while the French built Dreadfulls, the Industrial Park Aproch to Battleship Design. I liked the I Phone reference! How many people can you carry across the World on a I Phone and as a Missile can be locked on both a I Phone and a Battleship, it's not hard to decide which I'd rather be behind or on!
I have seen the photo of Dreadnought (at 1:47) many times. I have just realised, that although she is at sea, and at speed, there is a sailor calmly walking along the top of the torpedo netting boom, on the outside of the hull!
While that would be cool, if you look closer, he's on the deck. The front hull of Dreadnought was cut down to allow a forward firing arc for the two side turrets. If you follow past that sailor's head, you can make out a hatch just after the second porthole.
@@thehandoftheking3314Nah, that's the Flower class, regardless of who was manning them (but especially the Canadians. "Captain, there is a U-boat twice our size to starboard, orders!?" " *RAM IT* !!" ).They where such cute little balls of fury and death!
@@monarchtherapsidsinostran9125 The french navy had a concept called fierce face that they incorporated in to battleship design. They thought if you make a ship look imposing it will effect the morale of the enemy. Like all ideas like this it's effectiveness is problematic.
You know...the whole Absynthe thing was hyped at the time right? It's demise began with some French farmer who, under the influence of a lot of beer, hard liquour and a few shots of Absynthe killed his family with a rifle in a frenzy. The teatotalling movement then seized the opportunity to ban Absynthe all together scape goating the product. Truth of the matter was, Absynthe was no better or worse then any alcoholic beverage of the day and certainly didn't maken people insane...sorry for the free history lesson you didn't asked for but I just had to mention it...now..back on the subject of those insane castle-like French pre-dreadnoughts🤔
@@ZerokillerOppel1 Well, at 70+% ABV, green Absinthe is one of the stronger spirits usually available (it has to be to remain green when that green comes from chlorophyll) and back then the bad stuff could be dyed with all sorts of "fun" stuff like (somewhat toxic) copper compounds, but thujone is/was just a hype. In fact, today's limitations can actually be considered counterproductive since some producers advertise the thujone content and to them, the maximum allowable amount is something to aim for.
I think that was the best 7 minutes on the Dreadnought I have heard....and seen. A novice on war ships but greatly interested. Never toured a war ship that did not dazzel me.
Im a big fan and love the history of each battle ship. Wondering if you could do a little history on a gorgeous ship HMS Alexandria. Great job on your videos and look forward to each episode
I always feel like it's a criminal waste that we have so few museum ships. Aside from HMS Belfast there are no examples of our maritime past preserved from this age of naval warfare. Even HMS Warspite, the most celebrated battleship we ever had couldn't be saved for future generations. At least the Japanese were persuaded to preserve the Mikasa, that's something I would very much love to visit some day.
I'm afraid I have to take small offense to your statement that the Japanese where "persuaded" to save the Mikasa. This is due to how they fought tooth and nail to have her exempted from *that* treaty (the Washington Naval Treaty).
Hey Drach, I was showing my dad this video. When he saw the picture of the French Pre-dreadnought he spent about five minutes going "What the fuck is that?" over and over.
Looks at Dreadnough and says in stern voice "Shame on you, shame on you... Now be a good ship and give these turrets back to Lord Nelson and Agammemnon..."
Every time I hear your iPhone analogy to a battleship, it just cracks me up. I'm not a fan of iPhones myself not because of the hardware but because of the business practices of Apple. But I just thought I'd let you know you gave me a giggle
One thing you should have mentioned is that the commander of the Uboat was Otto Weddigen, the guy who sank three (obsolete) British cruisers in a single hour early in the war which made him a national hero in Germany and added extra fuel to the discussion about whether large and expensive dreadnoughts were becoming obsolete themselves.
It makes sense US & Japan started Dreadnought style ships before the UK, as both had more recent naval wars, and got to see which of those debated ship design choices that surrounded Pre-Dreadnought ships, were most effective.
tbf "Dreadnought" is an infinitely cooler name than "South Carolina" or "Kawachi" I can't imagine calling pre dreadnoughts or super dreadnoughts something like "pre South Carolinas" or 'Super Kawachis" lol
I would love to hear your analysis of when big gun warships should ostensibly be considered to have been made obsolete, even though this wasn't acknowledged for a long time after they probably were obsolete.
@@bkjeong4302 Sounds about right. I do think a video by Drach on this topic could be epic though. I have not systematically examined the records. But based on what little 'research' I've done, I think that, after WWI Battleships accomplished very little. That generalization is probably very shaky; but it seems to me it deserves to be seriously analyzed!
Diche Bach Yeah. As arguably the worst example of military procurement ever, and a huge mistake made by both sides of WWII, it deserves more attention. Even in WWI it was the battlecruisers that were largely responsible for the big capital ship matches.
@@bkjeong4302 Of course, the sub was the king of total tonnage sunk. But in second place, I'm not sure. Maybe the dive bomber? Maybe destroyer torpedo strikes? Not sure. Seems like its the type of topic Drach could really sink his teeth in to. Probably several videos worth!
Diche Bach While subs were definitely lethal, they’re most effective as raiders. It’s the fact battleships couldn’t attack a carrier (barring extreme human stupidity a la Glorious) that made them useless.
Thanks for re-doing all of the old robo videos. One note though: the opening is long. For those of us who play a playlist, put the phone down, and walk away while relying on auto play, have to sit through 30 seconds of silence and gunshots before we get to the good stuff. Just a thought!
On one hand, as I know the feeling of binge-watching and hearing the same theme repeatedly, on the other hand, I also love the lumbering, powerful feel of it, so I feel it would be a bit like removing/truncating a well made theme song from a show, because marathons exist. Furthermore, although this might just be my sense of time and pettiness being weird, the length of the episodes tends to water down the negative aspect of long opening. I don't think 30 seconds is too long an intro for what is often (rounding normally) a 30 minute run-time "five minute guide" ;)
@@Drachinifel As someone from a long line of engineers/physicists/bookworms/weebs, I doubt that it's merely one "man Netflix has in a basement" as most research and development groups have at least one great room full of what Sam the American Bald Eagle would describe as "..You are All, WEIRDOS!... tch!" who speak with either few words and gesticulation, or lots of precise words and paper, with which they conjure up new ideas and designs, and then mathematically and experimentally refine/define them from there.
I think were going to need an epsiode about French pre-Dreadnought design with lots of pictures of different French battleships of La Belle Époque. I've seen some nice colorized photos, and some pictures that look like an old wooden ship of the line was covered in iron and the designer decided to cut out squares in the hull plating where the original gun ports where; because, maybe they thought the original Napoleonic cannons might be of some use. Of course they didn't actually do that, but there were a huge number of square ports on the sides of some French pre-Dreadnoughts and I don't think they were put there for ventilation.
HMS Dreadnought vs. iPhone HMS Dreadnought >named an entire type of ship after herself >ten 12-inch guns >speed 21 knots with 2 steam turbines >waterproof >costs approximately £2,000,000 iPhone >did not name a type of device after itself >no guns >speed 0 knots with 0 steam turbines >warranty voided if brought near water >costs approximately £2,000,000
A funny side note, an Uncle of mine served in Royal Navy in the 50s and 60s. He told me that ships heads were flushed with sea water and were inline, so many men could be sat on inline thrones at the same time. He told me if you heard a scream jump straight of the loo ! Because somebody upstream has lit fire to a newspaper or oily rag and sent it down the water course sinjing hairs and gospatoodlies as it went underneath every man !!!!! Very good trick
I have read that the only dreadnought left is the USS Texas. It's an amazing ship, but is rusting away and really needs to be put into a permanent dry dock to preserve her for future generations. The money is there (it's effing Texas and there's a lot of oil money) and she has had a great deal of work done, but still she is corroding into nothing. I've seen her in person and hope that someone or some corporate entity that doesn't mind its logo and assistance flouted publicly would step in and save her. Once she's gone, she's gone and an entire class of important ships with her.
It was First Admiral of the Fleet, Lord Kilverstone, who said, "Fear God, ... and Dreadnought in 1900, six years before the launching of the famous British battleship by that name.
"and the warranty is not voided in the mere presence of water" Captain, we have scored a direct hit amidships and the enemy is sinking and beeping every time they try to plug it in.
Although the HMS Dreadnaught was considered "revolutionary" to battleship evolution with firsts in turbine propulsion and all-big-gun main armament, it was more so a product of a British ship building industry second to none, speedy assembly capabilities, and prioritized funding. Per lessons learned from the Battle of the Yellow Sea in Feb. 1904, the IJN ordered construction of the battleship Satsuma in Nov. 1904, and laid her down on 15 May, 1905 (5 months before the HMS Dreadnaught) as an all-big-gun battleship with (6) twin 12" turrets, later reduced to (4) 12" and (6) 10" twin turrets, due to shortages and cost. Thus, the HMS Dreadnaught was revolutionary, but not the impetus to evolution, that recognition goes to the Battle of the Yellow Sea, and the 14,000 yard 12" main gunnery ranges of the Russian and Japanese Pre-Satsuma battleships. As revolutionary as the HMS Dreadnaught was, the USS South Carolina, BB26 was even more. However, she wasn't laid down until Dec. 1906 (14 months after the HMS Dreadnaught.) Had Congressional approval of the naval appropriations not been delayed, and had the Royal Navy not been able to build the Dreadnought within a year, the USS Michigan or the USS South Carolina may have given their name to a new type of battleship, for they embodied a quantum leap in offensive firepower. Their chief virtue lay in the efficiently logical layout of the armament- (4) 12" twin turrets on the centreline with the inner turrets super-firing over the outer turrets. This meant that they had the same broadside as the Dreadnought, but without the space and weight penalties imposed by having wing turrets, thus saving up to 1000 tons, and their space distributable to other areas. On the other hand, the U.S. Navy elected not to gamble on the as yet proven Parsons turbine, and thus retained the conventional reciprocating triple expansion powerplants. In actuality, the battleship revolution was shared by three ship classes between three nations, the IJN (first to order and lay down an all-big-gun armament.) the RN (first to commission an all-big-gun armament, and first turbine propulsion,) and the USN (first super-firing all-big-gun armement- Thereafter copied by nearly every subsequent battleship designed.) The RN however, should be recognized by having the most efficient and formidable ship building industry of its day, which enabled the HMS Dreadnaught to come in first, after giving the USN and IJN a head start. It's still a good thing, I couldn't imagine "South Carolina" or "Pre-South Carolina" sticking very well; although, Pre-Satsuma does sound pretty good. Cheers!
The speed and efficiency of British capital ship construction at the turn of the century is simply stunning by today's standards. It is now taking them 10 years of parliamentary debates and 10 more years of actual construction work (from outsourced materials) to build a glorified cutter.
And the cost estimated by the clueless MoD usually turns out to be about 10% of what the final cost turns out to be. Following which, the MoD announces that the final design is 'more capable' than had been expected, and that, therefore, only 5, rather than 8, will be built. Presumably, in MoD world, the ideal Royal Navy of the future would have one ship, but a remarkably capable one. It would, however, take 40 years to build, presumably in a South East Asian shipyard.
Admiral King USN. My father, Lt Cdr Alec Laurie was sent to beard King in 1941/2. His assignment was to fit merchant ship bridges with slabs of Plastic Armour (tar and flints like a road surface) to protect the captain and crew from German aircraft in the western approaches. My father had been grabbed by the RN into Naval Intelligence because he had a science degree and a small yacht. He was to have been sent as a Lieutenant but argued that King would be more impressed (yeah!) by a Lieutenant Commander and Laurie would be better paid. He had no problem with King and armoured a lot of ships in the Brooklyn Navy Yard. He carried a rifle around to test the slabs with live fire.on the dockside.
It's ironic. This ship was the game changer with all other battleships referred to by her name, and yet the only real action she ever saw had her being used more like a Greek or Roman Trireme. Instead of being used as a modern warship, her only action was more of an anachronism.
Speaking of the Dreadnought class Nuclear Ballistic missile Submarine, on this article here, www.forces.net/news/politics/defence-secretary-announces-ps400-million-funding-nuclear-submarines, last week they revealed the name for HMS Dreadnought's sister ship to be HMS Valiant.
Drachinifel: ...Other nations, like France, built such monstrosities you might want to cover your eyes for the next few seconds. Me: It can't be THAT bad... Drachinifel: Final warning. Me: 😏 Me: Ugly... Drachinifel: Yep... My eyes... They burn... Make it stop... Me: 🤣 But seriously, there are some relevant good points to the design, if you forget the intended role and focus only on the potential for shore bombardment...
Dreadnought’s designers seemed to have the right idea about secondary armament. Could you produce a video examining the usefulness of secondary armament on battles? Whilst not an expert in the area I do feel that few battleships used secondary armaments to the extent where their cost,weight etc was justified.
Like the new video. You totally need a dreadnought over an iPhone. If nothing else a dreadnought should have better resale value than an iPhone 😀... you know for when you go to replace the dreadnought with a superdreadnought.
Much better in your human voice. It's like the difference between HMS Dreadnought and previous battleships.
@mike force if only it existed
@mike force prove it
Oh wait you can't because it's not real
@mike force proove hell exists, gravity, atoms etc have already been prooven.
as usual the insults come out early to deflect from the complete lack of any coherant argument.
ps what is a dumbakk? thats a new 1 to me
@mike force demonstrate the existence of hell please.
you still cant do it no matter how much you attempt to deflect by attacking my admittedly poor grammer.
gravity is really easy to demonstrate, simply drop something. gravity is the force that makes an object travel towards the centre of mass (of earth in this case)
@mike force
1 i have answered you.
2 you STILL havnt answered me, il ask you again. give me any evidence whatsoever to back your claim that hell exists
A time when Britain could Build a Battleship in 4 months, now it takes longer than that to fill in a pothole.
Not just "build a battleship", but build a revolutionary battleship, the biggest and best armed battleship in the world (briefly). Those were the days...
I don't know how the potholes are in Britain, but here in Indianapolis we use our potholes for air raid shelters. 😄
@@matthewrobinson4323 Who is raiding Indianapolis?
@@eljanrimsa5843 Just for drills, as in the 1950's when we hid under our desks in school.
Oh how the mighty have fallen.
Those French ships look like floating industrial parks
Gets worse. At that time, the French authorities simply could not agree, or decide, on anything regarding their battleships. Every French battleship built in that era would be subjected to multiple major design changes WHILE BEING BUILT, and that insanity would continue even after launch, with new technology being crammed in or on pretty much on a whim.
It is said that, at this time, the French Navy's battle line was not so much a fleet as a collection of prototypes.
Just realised I didn't make one thing clear. This mania for radical redesign and alteration was NOT done by class as one might expect, but on an individual ship basis.. So even ships of the same (alleged) class would have major differences.
7thsealord
French Predreadnoughts tick all the boxes for being useless capital ships.
Obsolete on launch? Check.
Prone to capsizing? Check.
Structurally unsound? Check.
High risk of flooding? Check.
Horrible armament design? Check.
Horrible armour design? Check.
Use of new, untested and often pointless technology? Check.
Ugly as sin? Check.
There are many capital ships that have one or two of the same problems but none of the others have ALL of these problems.
I always thought they were designed by people who never actually saw a battleship.
That’s an extremely generous assessment
Got to be my favorite narrator of all my podcasts. A great combination of clear voice, perfect syntax pronunciation, subtle snobbiness combined with a pinch of humor I love it
Subtle snobbiness is just British humour ;)
HMS Dreadnought: I make all battleships before me obsolete!
The Airplane: Hold my beer
You mean the Aircraft Carrier
@@trajan231 No, I meant the airplane.
One can make a silly argument as to which one should be thought of as making a battleship obsolete.
But my comment references the period of Dreadnoughts glory days (1905), and by the time an aircraft carrier hit the water, (1918 for a full deck) the HMS dreadnought was already made obsolete by superdreadnoughts (1910).
The airplane however, was already flying (1903) and militaries around the world were already considering their use in warfare.
Therefore, the outcome of such an aforementioned silly argument is irrelevant, and once again...
No. I meant an airplane.
Also, it is the Airplane that does that Attacking.
The Aircraft Carrier says, "Okay, Airplanes, you take on that Battleship over there; and, I will just sit here safely out of Combat Distance from that Battleship.".
@@stevequerin2504 I'm quite sure that the sailors and airmen who fought those battles didn't have such useless debates over whether it was the carrier or the planes, especially since there are no airmen or sailors who were delusional enough to ever think the carrier was ever "sitting safely" during a time of war.
The entire point to my last response was to simply put an end to such a foolish comparison. I sincerely apologize to the Navy (both pilots and sailors) for failing to do so....
@@dayaautum6983 ...
HMS Dreadnought: I make all Battleships before me obsolete!
The Airplane: Hold my beer
(My Assumption) The Airplane is going to attack HMS Dreadnought to make HMS Dreadnought an obsolete Warship Design.
Aircraft Carrier: Okay, Airplanes, you attack that Battleship over there; and, I will sit here safely out of Combat Distance from that Battleship.
(My Assumption) Your Airplane was launched from my Aircraft Carrier to attack HMS Dreadnought.
In essence, my Original Reply was in support of your Original Posting.
¿What? ¿You have Proprietary over your Original Joke that Mark Andrew didn't catch onto?
whatever
This suddenly popped up on my feed. No idea why this one in particular, but there was no way I could not click on it. :)
Keep up the awesome work, Drach.
"And the warranty was not voided in the mere presence of water, so there is that..." The first Drachism? (snirk, snirk)
i cant believe that was the first sarcastic or well informed quip he ever made.. but if so u documented it.... nice one ...if ur new to channel be prepared for more.. much more
@@rooksfoot1184 The first one on this video.
@@johngregory4801 ok so its episode by episode...maybe we need a counter in the bottom left a a loud ping sound when one is added.... :) full length of the channel.. with the kamchakta double bill sounding lik a pinball machine.... would be an amazing timelapse ...all the best
A bit dated by now..
Admiral Fisher: We've done it. Now all the battleships in the world are obsolete including our...own...ships....D'OH!!!!
snakes3425
And little did he know that his new invention would a) help trigger WWI (though it was inevitable at that point, he made it worse), and b) become obsolete in the 1930s.
@@bkjeong4302
Admiral Fisher: D'OH!!!! D'OH!!!!
As pointed out in the video, _Dreadnought_ was not the first or even second dreadnought to begin construction, just the first to get done. If Fisher hadn't rushed _Dreadnought_ all the British battleships end up obsolete... instead of all save one.
Well, just remember: "obsolete" is not necessarily the same as "useless." If war had broken out with Germany on January 1, 1907. the RN could quite capably set up a blockade, or fight a general action with its clouds of pre-dreadnoughts. "Obsolescence " was rather notional until there really were significant numbers of dreadnoughts in operation.
@@richardmalcolm1457 Glad you pointed this out as far too many seem to believe that all previous shipping is cannon fodder...
Ex- Navy here;
Tumblehome design scares the living crap out of me, and I care not who builds it.
Great channel, and I mean it; Drachinifel.
A ship so badass it sunk a submarine by ramming it
The ONLY battleship in history to sink a submarine.............
The RMS (or HMTS atm i guess) Olympic?
@Golden Eagle She tried to ram the u-boat but fail.
Edit: in my rush to type how incorrect your statement is, I myself am wrong as Warspite did sink a submarine in ww2. You are right there. I thought it was her own attempt to ram but fail to sink a German u-boat in WW1 you meant. Silly me.
Ramming speed!
Cargo ships sank subs by ramming
"... cheaper than some iPhones." :D :D :D
Satsuma was affected by the Dreadnought but she was TECHNICALLY a “Semi-Dreadnought”, the IJN’s first was the Kawachi-class.
_Satsuma_ was _designed_ with a uniform main battery, but was built as a semidreadnought due to a shortage of really big guns.
Royal Navy: *builds the most decorated warship of all time, in any navy, ever*
Royal Navy: *sells that shit for scrap*
It's not the most decorated RN ship ever, it is the most influential. And sadly maintaining warships is a hobby of voracious appetite on the finance part of things.
Some other channel had a video about HMS Dreadnought. I clicked on it thinking it was your "five min guide" and of course was quickly disappointed. So I had to close that video & find yours. And that was when I realized it was the very first one you made. And now I'm about to watch it. Glad you redone these in your own voice btw.
Very glad you decided to narrate. It's much more personal and gives the videos a nice tone. Your humour was also brilliant. Great job.
Love your videos... especially the attention to detail and the humor you put in them.
HMS Thunder Child definitely needs a review. Everybody should know the tale of her sacrifice in the face of 3 mighty threats
No rush though, I wouldn't mind waiting until, let's say, early April to watch a video about it
Moving swiftly through the waters
Cannons blazing as she came
Brought a might metal war-lord
Crashing down in sheets of flame
Maybe, if he doesn't want to honor the brave souls that died aboard that valiant ship for some reason, we could get him to review the HMS Polyphemus instead. The two ships were pretty similar, after all.
@@CaptainJetstream
Sensing victory was nearing
Thinking fortune must have smiled
People started cheering
"Come on Thunder Child"
Wait a minute...
th-cam.com/video/pQBund8uLmo/w-d-xo.html
...published... April 1st...
Gentleman, we have found a trolling time traveler
@@nerdzy8454 or HMS Thetis?
I like the steampunk design of the French battleship. It looks like something that would fly or go back in time if slightly upgraded.
What The Holy Fuck Was That Thing???
@@marckyle5895
The Massena. Probably the worst battleship ever built.
Fly? You mean sink to the sea floor by just a more well designed battleship sneezing in it’s general direction
Love the IPhone analogy!!!
I actually love those pre-dreadnoughts, It'd be great to see more info on that type!
three vids in one day , man you are too good to us today ;)
Admiral Fisher: We now have the most powerful battleship ever built
Guy: Uh Admiral it seems someone put the gun director and the fire control room behind the forward funnel
Admiral Fisher: D'OH!!!!!
"Unopposed under crimson skies
Immortalized, over time their legend will rise
And their foes can't believe their eyes, believe their size, as they fall
And the dreadnoughts dread nothing at all"
Ahh, Sabaton 😃😃😃
Ahhhh, Sabaton. Good taste there 👍🏻
The British built Dreadnought while the French built Dreadfulls, the Industrial Park Aproch to Battleship Design. I liked the I Phone reference! How many people can you carry across the World on a I Phone and as a Missile can be locked on both a I Phone and a Battleship, it's not hard to decide which I'd rather be behind or on!
iPhones are waterproof now and have been for some years.
Becuse of course, *hitting* the enemy, is *very* important. See exhibit A (Invincible disintegrating) This is what I love about this channel.
I have seen the photo of Dreadnought (at 1:47) many times. I have just realised, that although she is at sea, and at speed, there is a sailor calmly walking along the top of the torpedo netting boom, on the outside of the hull!
While that would be cool, if you look closer, he's on the deck. The front hull of Dreadnought was cut down to allow a forward firing arc for the two side turrets. If you follow past that sailor's head, you can make out a hatch just after the second porthole.
Love the I-Phone comparison
Epic channel, followed for years now and just gets better. 👍
Imagine you're that U-boat captain. You surface in your tin can and suddenly there's two giant battleships bearing down on you to ram. Terrifying.
@boxghost102
Royal navy: *sees periscope*
"WWWWWAAAAAARRRRRGHHH!!!
@@thehandoftheking3314Nah, that's the Flower class, regardless of who was manning them (but especially the Canadians. "Captain, there is a U-boat twice our size to starboard, orders!?" " *RAM IT* !!" ).They where such cute little balls of fury and death!
iv just bought a 700 scale kit, time to get building although itl probably take me longer to buiild it than the real 1 lol
Ok did he just compared an IPhone to a battleship? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 I like that.
I mean can you shell jerry bastards with an iPhone
Remember the Samsung Galaxy Note 7, could go BOOM too !
www.forbes.com/sites/jvchamary/2016/09/04/samsung-note7-battery/
Yes he did and quite adroitly at that. I like his humour.
I would rather have dreadnought than 1000 iPhone's
If a IPhone is a Battleship what would a Nokia be?
A ship so awesome, all succeeding battleships of a similar design would be named after it.
1:12 That looks like something out of Dishonored.
Also the iPhone roast is priceless.
The major advance was that all those big guns were director controlled for ranging and aiming; they fired as a unit, not as separate turrets.
I like French battleships. They have a kind of steam punk look.
They look less seaworthy than Hashima =)
I know...they're so frigging weird you can't help but look.
I think William Heath Robinson had a hand in the design work.
like steampunk in the weird, and unnecessary complicated looking way?
@@monarchtherapsidsinostran9125 The french navy had a concept called fierce face that they incorporated in to battleship design. They thought if you make a ship look imposing it will effect the morale of the enemy. Like all ideas like this it's effectiveness is problematic.
Those French pre-dreadnoughts are so hideous I can't help but love them.
There a real simplistic grace to these original dreadnought battleships. Love ‘em.
Okay when are you doing an episode on French battleship concepts?
Because i'm willing to bet a lot of Absinthe was involved!
Eventually :)
You know...the whole Absynthe thing was hyped at the time right? It's demise began with some French farmer who, under the influence of a lot of beer, hard liquour and a few shots of Absynthe killed his family with a rifle in a frenzy. The teatotalling movement then seized the opportunity to ban Absynthe all together scape goating the product. Truth of the matter was, Absynthe was no better or worse then any alcoholic beverage of the day and certainly didn't maken people insane...sorry for the free history lesson you didn't asked for but I just had to mention it...now..back on the subject of those insane castle-like French pre-dreadnoughts🤔
so thats why it had a banned status thx
@@ZerokillerOppel1 Well, at 70+% ABV, green Absinthe is one of the stronger spirits usually available (it has to be to remain green when that green comes from chlorophyll) and back then the bad stuff could be dyed with all sorts of "fun" stuff like (somewhat toxic) copper compounds, but thujone is/was just a hype. In fact, today's limitations can actually be considered counterproductive since some producers advertise the thujone content and to them, the maximum allowable amount is something to aim for.
@@tz8785 Ok. Thank you for that info!!
An excellent bit of naval history. And thankyou for the real human voice!
I think that was the best 7 minutes on the Dreadnought I have heard....and seen. A novice on war ships but greatly interested. Never toured a war ship that did not dazzel me.
Im a big fan and love the history of each battle ship. Wondering if you could do a little history on a gorgeous ship HMS Alexandria. Great job on your videos and look forward to each episode
I always feel like it's a criminal waste that we have so few museum ships. Aside from HMS Belfast there are no examples of our maritime past preserved from this age of naval warfare. Even HMS Warspite, the most celebrated battleship we ever had couldn't be saved for future generations.
At least the Japanese were persuaded to preserve the Mikasa, that's something I would very much love to visit some day.
It's not a criminal waste if Britain itself can't keep them, they simply couldn't afford to keep them as they were broke
I'm afraid I have to take small offense to your statement that the Japanese where "persuaded" to save the Mikasa. This is due to how they fought tooth and nail to have her exempted from *that* treaty (the Washington Naval Treaty).
Remember the Warspite
Love the sound of Primary Guns Of Dreadnoughts And Battleships in the Morning As well as the smell of smoke on Ships
Hey Drach, I was showing my dad this video. When he saw the picture of the French Pre-dreadnought he spent about five minutes going "What the fuck is that?" over and over.
Looks at Dreadnough and says in stern voice "Shame on you, shame on you... Now be a good ship and give these turrets back to Lord Nelson and Agammemnon..."
It amazed me how quickly they built it!
It's raining human voiced videos! I have never been happier! :D
Good video. LOVED the comparison between Dreadnoughts and Iphones.
The Brits really know how to name ships.
Honestly, I like the way French pre-dreadnoughts look
Every time I hear your iPhone analogy to a battleship, it just cracks me up. I'm not a fan of iPhones myself not because of the hardware but because of the business practices of Apple. But I just thought I'd let you know you gave me a giggle
1:12 having watched your "when hotels go to war" video, trust me when i say that is one of the better looking french pre-dreadnaughts....
Could you do an overview of the Japanese pre-dreadnought battleship Mikasa - incidentally, the only surviving example of a British built battleship.
One thing you should have mentioned is that the commander of the Uboat was Otto Weddigen, the guy who sank three (obsolete) British cruisers in a single hour early in the war which made him a national hero in Germany and added extra fuel to the discussion about whether large and expensive dreadnoughts were becoming obsolete themselves.
It makes sense US & Japan started Dreadnought style ships before the UK, as both had more recent naval wars, and got to see which of those debated ship design choices that surrounded Pre-Dreadnought ships, were most effective.
tbf "Dreadnought" is an infinitely cooler name than "South Carolina" or "Kawachi"
I can't imagine calling pre dreadnoughts or super dreadnoughts something like "pre South Carolinas" or 'Super Kawachis" lol
@@kurumi394 I don't really know what Kawachi means, but it sounds kinda cool I guess.
1:16, draw me like one of your French girls
45 years ago, when I was a med student at UCH, the ancient basement Gents toilets had urinals marked "Dreadnought". Always made me smile as I peed!
Gonna start binge watching this. Wish me luck
1' 12" Had you not said what it was, I would have assumed an early Monitor had mated an Edwardian cruise liner, with that as the offspring.
Thank God for the human voice; far more distinguished than the generic-robo voice.
Build a battleship famous for its game changing gun layout/choices. Most memorable kill: Rammed...
Oh irony, never change
I would love to hear your analysis of when big gun warships should ostensibly be considered to have been made obsolete, even though this wasn't acknowledged for a long time after they probably were obsolete.
Diche Bach
Probably in the 1930s, when carriers gained actual killing power.
@@bkjeong4302 Sounds about right. I do think a video by Drach on this topic could be epic though.
I have not systematically examined the records. But based on what little 'research' I've done, I think that, after WWI Battleships accomplished very little. That generalization is probably very shaky; but it seems to me it deserves to be seriously analyzed!
Diche Bach
Yeah. As arguably the worst example of military procurement ever, and a huge mistake made by both sides of WWII, it deserves more attention.
Even in WWI it was the battlecruisers that were largely responsible for the big capital ship matches.
@@bkjeong4302 Of course, the sub was the king of total tonnage sunk. But in second place, I'm not sure. Maybe the dive bomber? Maybe destroyer torpedo strikes? Not sure. Seems like its the type of topic Drach could really sink his teeth in to. Probably several videos worth!
Diche Bach
While subs were definitely lethal, they’re most effective as raiders. It’s the fact battleships couldn’t attack a carrier (barring extreme human stupidity a la Glorious) that made them useless.
HMS Dreadnought was one of two ships that were such game-changers they gave their name to a whole class of warships. The other was USS Monitor.
Thanks for re-doing all of the old robo videos. One note though: the opening is long. For those of us who play a playlist, put the phone down, and walk away while relying on auto play, have to sit through 30 seconds of silence and gunshots before we get to the good stuff. Just a thought!
On one hand, as I know the feeling of binge-watching and hearing the same theme repeatedly, on the other hand, I also love the lumbering, powerful feel of it, so I feel it would be a bit like removing/truncating a well made theme song from a show, because marathons exist. Furthermore, although this might just be my sense of time and pettiness being weird, the length of the episodes tends to water down the negative aspect of long opening. I don't think 30 seconds is too long an intro for what is often (rounding normally) a 30 minute run-time "five minute guide" ;)
Maybe TH-cam needs to hire the man Netflix has in a basement who invented the 'Skip Intro' button?
@@Drachinifel TH-cam upgrading their platform based off user feedback? Pshaw.....
@@Drachinifel As someone from a long line of engineers/physicists/bookworms/weebs, I doubt that it's merely one "man Netflix has in a basement" as most research and development groups have at least one great room full of what Sam the American Bald Eagle would describe as "..You are All, WEIRDOS!... tch!" who speak with either few words and gesticulation, or lots of precise words and paper, with which they conjure up new ideas and designs, and then mathematically and experimentally refine/define them from there.
I think were going to need an epsiode about French pre-Dreadnought design with lots of pictures of different French battleships of La Belle Époque. I've seen some nice colorized photos, and some pictures that look like an old wooden ship of the line was covered in iron and the designer decided to cut out squares in the hull plating where the original gun ports where; because, maybe they thought the original Napoleonic cannons might be of some use. Of course they didn't actually do that, but there were a huge number of square ports on the sides of some French pre-Dreadnoughts and I don't think they were put there for ventilation.
I just watched this video, and the dread in his voice was enjoyable.
Dreadnought is a great name for a battleship it inspires fearsome greatness. Carolina does not invoke that image
As a native South Carolinian I both agree and resent this post.
would you be so kind and do a review of the lesser known Austro-Hungarian Navy?
i am impressed by the historical details you present
AKA Great Grandma. Rest her soul.
Wise words regarding the water-worthiness as compared to the phone
HMS Dreadnought vs. iPhone
HMS Dreadnought
>named an entire type of ship after herself
>ten 12-inch guns
>speed 21 knots with 2 steam turbines
>waterproof
>costs approximately £2,000,000
iPhone
>did not name a type of device after itself
>no guns
>speed 0 knots with 0 steam turbines
>warranty voided if brought near water
>costs approximately £2,000,000
But....but...the iPhone has apps!!!!!!
@@joeclaridy Yes, but HMS Dreadnaught has a range of 6,620 nautical miles, far exceeding the range of any iPhone!
A funny side note, an Uncle of mine served in Royal Navy in the 50s and 60s. He told me that ships heads were flushed with sea water and were inline, so many men could be sat on inline thrones at the same time. He told me if you heard a scream jump straight of the loo ! Because somebody upstream has lit fire to a newspaper or oily rag and sent it down the water course sinjing hairs and gospatoodlies as it went underneath every man !!!!! Very good trick
“My eyes...they burn...please make it stop.”
Never were truer words spoken. And to think that always style-conscious France came up with those things.
1:12 I actually love old ships like that!
I have read that the only dreadnought left is the USS Texas. It's an amazing ship, but is rusting away and really needs to be put into a permanent dry dock to preserve her for future generations. The money is there (it's effing Texas and there's a lot of oil money) and she has had a great deal of work done, but still she is corroding into nothing. I've seen her in person and hope that someone or some corporate entity that doesn't mind its logo and assistance flouted publicly would step in and save her. Once she's gone, she's gone and an entire class of important ships with her.
It was First Admiral of the Fleet, Lord Kilverstone, who said, "Fear God, ... and Dreadnought in 1900, six years before the launching of the famous British battleship by that name.
"and the warranty is not voided in the mere presence of water" Captain, we have scored a direct hit amidships and the enemy is sinking and beeping every time they try to plug it in.
Although the HMS Dreadnaught was considered "revolutionary" to battleship evolution with firsts in turbine propulsion and all-big-gun main armament, it was more so a product of a British ship building industry second to none, speedy assembly capabilities, and prioritized funding.
Per lessons learned from the Battle of the Yellow Sea in Feb. 1904, the IJN ordered construction of the battleship Satsuma in Nov. 1904, and laid her down on 15 May, 1905 (5 months before the HMS Dreadnaught) as an all-big-gun battleship with (6) twin 12" turrets, later reduced to (4) 12" and (6) 10" twin turrets, due to shortages and cost. Thus, the HMS Dreadnaught was revolutionary, but not the impetus to evolution, that recognition goes to the Battle of the Yellow Sea, and the 14,000 yard 12" main gunnery ranges of the Russian and Japanese Pre-Satsuma battleships.
As revolutionary as the HMS Dreadnaught was, the USS South Carolina, BB26 was even more. However, she wasn't laid down until Dec. 1906 (14 months after the HMS Dreadnaught.) Had Congressional approval of the naval appropriations not been delayed, and had the Royal Navy not been able to build the Dreadnought within a year, the USS Michigan or the USS South Carolina may have given their name to a new type of battleship, for they embodied a quantum leap in offensive firepower. Their chief virtue lay in the efficiently logical layout of the armament- (4) 12" twin turrets on the centreline with the inner turrets super-firing over the outer turrets. This meant that they had the same broadside as the Dreadnought, but without the space and weight penalties imposed by having wing turrets, thus saving up to 1000 tons, and their space distributable to other areas. On the other hand, the U.S. Navy elected not to gamble on the as yet proven Parsons turbine, and thus retained the conventional reciprocating triple expansion powerplants.
In actuality, the battleship revolution was shared by three ship classes between three nations, the IJN (first to order and lay down an all-big-gun armament.) the RN (first to commission an all-big-gun armament, and first turbine propulsion,) and the USN (first super-firing all-big-gun armement- Thereafter copied by nearly every subsequent battleship designed.) The RN however, should be recognized by having the most efficient and formidable ship building industry of its day, which enabled the HMS Dreadnaught to come in first, after giving the USN and IJN a head start. It's still a good thing, I couldn't imagine "South Carolina" or "Pre-South Carolina" sticking very well; although, Pre-Satsuma does sound pretty good. Cheers!
"Fear God and Dread Nought" Admiral of the Fleet Lord Fisher
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1:13 no, no. no no no. NO! NO, NO. NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!! AWWWHHHH!!!!
How the channel has grown!
The speed and efficiency of British capital ship construction at the turn of the century is simply stunning by today's standards. It is now taking them 10 years of parliamentary debates and 10 more years of actual construction work (from outsourced materials) to build a glorified cutter.
And the cost estimated by the clueless MoD usually turns out to be about 10% of what the final cost turns out to be. Following which, the MoD announces that the final design is 'more capable' than had been expected, and that, therefore, only 5, rather than 8, will be built. Presumably, in MoD world, the ideal Royal Navy of the future would have one ship, but a remarkably capable one. It would, however, take 40 years to build, presumably in a South East Asian shipyard.
I just love the name, Dreadnought.
Admiral King USN. My father, Lt Cdr Alec Laurie was sent to beard King in 1941/2. His assignment was to fit merchant ship bridges with slabs of Plastic Armour (tar and flints like a road surface) to protect the captain and crew from German aircraft in the western approaches. My father had been grabbed by the RN into Naval Intelligence because he had a science degree and a small yacht. He was to have been sent as a Lieutenant but argued that King would be more impressed (yeah!) by a Lieutenant Commander and Laurie would be better paid. He had no problem with King and armoured a lot of ships in the Brooklyn Navy Yard. He carried a rifle around to test the slabs with live fire.on the dockside.
comparing dreadnought to an Iphone... subtle but effective.
I agree with which one he chose though
1:14 you brought that French pre-dreadnaught video on yourself mate lol
It's ironic. This ship was the game changer with all other battleships referred to by her name, and yet the only real action she ever saw had her being used more like a Greek or Roman Trireme. Instead of being used as a modern warship, her only action was more of an anachronism.
Ah the ship that started it all! 😀
Interesting article as usual,
Speaking of the Dreadnought class Nuclear Ballistic missile Submarine, on this article here, www.forces.net/news/politics/defence-secretary-announces-ps400-million-funding-nuclear-submarines, last week they revealed the name for HMS Dreadnought's sister ship to be HMS Valiant.
Fear God and... Dreadnought
Love the humour
Drachinifel: ...Other nations, like France, built such monstrosities you might want to cover your eyes for the next few seconds.
Me: It can't be THAT bad...
Drachinifel: Final warning.
Me: 😏
Me: Ugly...
Drachinifel: Yep... My eyes... They burn... Make it stop...
Me: 🤣 But seriously, there are some relevant good points to the design, if you forget the intended role and focus only on the potential for shore bombardment...
Love the iphone references!
Dreadnought’s designers seemed to have the right idea about secondary armament. Could you produce a video examining the usefulness of secondary armament on battles? Whilst not an expert in the area I do feel that few battleships used secondary armaments to the extent where their cost,weight etc was justified.
Like the new video. You totally need a dreadnought over an iPhone. If nothing else a dreadnought should have better resale value than an iPhone 😀... you know for when you go to replace the dreadnought with a superdreadnought.
Dreadnought: I SANK A SUBMARINE BY RAMMING
A elegant way to avoid mentioning the first all-big-gun battleships.
Awesome job
weirdly I just watched this video yesterday (11th Dec), but it was robot voiced.