From an Englishman in Slovakia at half 3 in the morning…SERVE BY LEADING…..oh dear Lord thank you for this message. And kudos to Pastor Joel too 😎 💪🏻. Thank you gentlemen.
Joel is super based. We are so fortunate to have found a small church here in the UK that ignored the covid rules and our pastor is a godly man who loves the Lord, loves the word and loves me and my family very well (he gives my 3 year old daughter a piggy back ride to our car after thr service each week!). He isn't as based as joel, but compared to vast majority of evangelical leaders in the uk, he's deeply concerned and vocal on political issues. Very glad to serve as a deacon for him
@@Phoenix-wy3qi ok thank you. I’m happy you found a good place to worship, I’ve been 20 years in the “desert” so I have to watch services online. I’ve gotten used to it but it’s far from ideal
My husband and i heard that things are tight and Lord willing, we plan on joining the Patreon page. Your ministry is such a blessing to us as a young married couple and especially as young parents with two sons. We have a good church, but as y'all discussed, some pastors don't preach the strong stuff all the time so we look to this ministry for leadership in those areas. Keep fighting the good fight and never back down! God bless you and yours 😊
I was talking about the “happy wife happy life” thing with my husband today! It is so wife center when it should be God center. I don’t want that kind of attention 😅
When I hear: I need to help my wife take care of our kid… 🤔like hello! Child care isn’t for a single mum, it’s for both parties…no?! 😂😂😂 dear men, you’re not helping you’re doing your job. It’s the product of your enjoyment too. Yes? 😫Thank you. 😃
@@biblicalchristtv5717 he's not going to do an equal share of the housework and child raising. He's working 50 hours a week outside of the home in order to allow you the freedom of time and money to devote all your time to the home. That is his contribution. Anything above that is extra, have a grateful mindset and it will go well with you
I'm not reformed and I'm not male, but I absolutely loved the discussion about what young men need. I'm so sad about how few strong, courageous Christian men exist and its why so many of us are single. Praying for our country 🙏 Great episode, guys!
Nah you girls are picky and rarely as mature (or pretty) as you think you are. Cope won't save you, only bettering yourself. That's true for both sexes. If you scorn advice you'll get left behind for younger women 🤷♂️
I think there is a massive vacuum of sermons that make you squirm. Sermons are plentiful that ease the conscience but it’s the ones that make you sweat that drive change. I know what drove me to my church is hearing the Bible preached without apology and in its full strength. I am a man in my 30’s who grew up without a dad, nearly devastated my family with sin and still fight to keep my heart on Christ and it’s not soothing sermons that keep me headstrong moving forward. There is a place for it so you don’t fall into despair or self pity but the need for Godly strength and clear teaching is far more pressing. I am perpetually amazed at all the ways the world has contorted and conditioned my thinking on so many issues. Godly men have to rise up to lead. If manly God fearing men don’t raise up the next generation, godless ruthless pagan men will and many of them walk in step with their feminist counterparts.
Speaking of the difference between Charles Spurgeon and modern-day celebrity pastors lacking courage, Spurgeon was one of the first people to speak out against Charles Darwin's theory of evolution. There were even articles at the time referring to it as the battle of Charles's. He may have been a "celebrity pastor," but he didn't lack courage.
Great job men. I was reluctant to dig into the Steve Lawson situation and then I saw Jon Harris had a show about. I thought, “Jon is going to be objective about this.” So I watched his show. Then I got a whole different perspective on it. And of course, you men always do an outstanding job examining the facts on issues, so when I saw you men were doing this show tonight, I knew it was going to be worth watching. You men are outstanding!
Good job and thanks for putting your wife and sick daughter before us. We've got The Holy Bible and Matthew Henry; that's more than enough. 1 John 4:10,11
Excellent, very enlightening. I'm so pleased I found your channel. Now I understand the root of the issue that nobody else addressed. Thank you. I have had this situation whirling around in my head for days. I now have peace.
Amen, can’t agree enough! So many times I’ve been aggravated with the older local preachers who will not take young people under their wing. Great message.
I’m not sure if I agree with your opening premise that moral failures are merely tied to cowardice behaviors. You can be very courageous and still have a moral failure such as adultery. Both Samson and King David were very courageous men who had a moral failure when it came to women. Unfortunately women tend to be a lot of men’s weakness.
@@Lakemisch having a lapse of judgement doesn’t equate to being labeled as a coward. Those are different categories. If a lapse in judgement, which results in falling into sin, is considered cowardice then we are all cowards in some form or fashion. The judge Barak was an example of a coward because his overall demeanor exemplified it, this would also apply to King Saul. Notice that these men were cowards because of their innate demeanor which had no association with any moral failure connected with women. Samson and King David were bold like lions yet they succumbed to the appeal of woman, which led to their lapse in judgment. I think the allure of women, whether it be a wife or a mistress, causes many men to stumble. Hence God telling the Israelites before entering into the promise land to not take for themselves wives that were in the land due to the likelihood that those pagan women would turn the hearts of the Israelites away from the Lord their God. Even the angels, as described in Genesis 6, stumbled as a result of the appeal of women. You can have an overall courageous demeanor and have a weak moment which gives way to a lapse of judgment leading to sin, yet that singular moment should not define you as a coward. If that’s the case, then Peter was always a coward, even when he boldly professed Jesus Christ throughout the book of Acts to the authorities; because that moment when he denied Jesus three times earned him the label of coward. I wouldn’t label Peter a coward because of that lapse of judgment in that singular moment.
I recently made a decision and acted courageously on a family matter against the council of the weak minded, I’m rejected by the wordly but confident I followed Godly advice offered by Scripture and my husband. Being courageous comes with heart ache too
You hit the nail on the head. As a bible believing woman I am starved for fathers in the church. I have many times rewatched the episodes on women because no pastor whether local or online has the chops to reprimand women or even to instruct us in our proper roles. It’s always “well I have to talk about this because it’s in the Bible but…” or “well… what you have to understand about bible times is…”
Thank you for your ministry! It has been extremely beneficial for my Spiritual growth. I am praying for God to provide the means for the ministry to continue and the fruit to be abundant. I am exactly in you young male demographic, and frankly, I am tired of just surrendering to defeat and the lethargy of current Christian culture. I am currently on a crusade in my own life to gain the lost ground within my walk and my family's devotion to Christ. Post this victory, if the LORD wills, I will continue this offensive into my local church where I see the lack of "fathers" and crippling complacency. All praise be to King and LORD Jesus Christ!
Cool. What's your favorite thing about Jesus? What's your favorite story from the gospels? These are the questions I wish I'd been asked when I was young.
I find it interesting what is said about courage. I see now that I lack courage in a lot of things. I was in liberal Christianity and came back and had to repent on numerous stuff but I am still struggling with cowardice to identify myself as a Christian clearly with people. My question would be: how do you develop courage? I would really like to not be a coward anymore…
These guys have already answered implicitly, right? (1) Integrity with sin holistically like John Owen’s book, Mortification of Sin. A good tree these guys reminded us cannot bear bad branches or fruits. And (2) Have a spiritual father in church, hopefully your pastor or an elder? Kill every sin you become aware of with integrity… but you also need a father for accountability, teaching and leadership. At least that’s what I hear.
1 John 1:9-10 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. Matthew 6:14-15 14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: 15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses
I'm incredibly disheartened by this news. Pastor Lawson preached two of the best sermons I've ever heard in person, and I never would have suspected that he would be caught up in this kind of scandal, especially at his age. This did not help me in my personal situation as my wife is struggling with the whole protestant tradition and its outcomes, and especially reformed theology to the point she is increasingly intrigued by eastern orthodoxy, about which I have serious reservations. Blows like this Lawson affair news are tough to take.
Same brother. It hurts. Its happened to me a few times with different Christians who I loved deeply. At the end though, if you abandoned God because of other people, then you faith was never in Him at all. Hold to truth and remain unmoved. God will get you through it. God bless
The bigger question should be why are you holding these men on such pedestals? The doctrine is the doctrine. Allowing men to shape your interpretation of God's word is a bad start.
We've created an environment in the church where pastors can become celebrities. This is why I believe that churches should be smaller in size. Maybe even home church bible studies. To avoid having men have so much prominence in church
I should clarify that this news makes me sad and disappointed, but my faith isn't the one shaken. I admired the preaching of Lawson, but he is far from even my favorite preacher, much less my guru or something. It's my wife who is doubting protestantism, the Solas, and all the rest and when these prominent evangelical men fall into or are caught in these scandals it hurts my case in her eyes, which causes strife in our marriage.
@@Arkeo36Go to ancientpathstv and watch his videos on Catholics and Eastern Orthodox. You can probably find ammunition there to shepherd your wife away from considering it.
Joel's critique of Lawson focusing on biblical exposition rather than the culture wars is one of the most ridiculous takes I've heard. Maybe I misunderstood him. I really doubt Lawson's fall was the result of being too focused on the scriptures .
true Biblical exposition will definitely have practical applications for the times.. the fact that Lawson dodged that aspect proves he WASN’T truly expositing and acting cowardly by avoiding it
@@toughbiblepassages9082 what you're talking about Lawson calls the "so what". How does this passage apply to my own life. Something tells me you haven't actually listened to Steve Lawson. You saying he doesn't speak about practical application kinda shows your ignorance. Respectfully
5 years of deception- never going to challenge the culture and put your head above the parapet! Stay pietism and the flock will just love your intelligence 🤦
I’m one of the 13%! I’m not intimidated by men who take a stand. The church needs more strong men willing to stand no matter what it costs them. I pray the Lord continues to bless your much needed ministry!🙏🙏🙏
Good conversation. I found it interesting that, "it seemed", those who were very quick to question Ravi's salvation were not as forward and quick in questioning Lawson's salvation. Both were long term sin patterns. One longer, maybe, than the other, but, still, both were long term as they continued to speak and write books.
13%er here who loves listening for your insights in general, but also because you convict me with incredible insights in how to better submit to and encourage my husband’s leadership.
I feed on pastor like Steve Lawson, John MacArthur, Paul Washer, R C Sproul, Burk Parsons. Cus in my local church don’t teach the all Scripture, so i have to grow and hear sound doctrine. So is painful to see one of the beloved teachers fall. I hope he is repented and restored.
Why not read Matthew and as you read, ask Jesus to explain things to you? Yes, I mean literally stop. Look up and say... "dear Lord, can you help me understand this?" Or if he says something you like, stop and tell him "I like when you said that." Let Jesus feed you.
Is the host suggesting (at about the 9:45-10:15 time stamp) that Lawson was never saved to begin with?? It that's true (i doubt it) then he was a master deceiver! - and deceived all these other "men of God ".
I do wonder if rock star ministry may be a key part of this problem. Never ending travel, away from wife and family and local elders and close friends.
42 minutes?! Is not nearly enough time to take in and enjoy the complete meals you serve Bro! I could handle an hour and 42 or more to be sure. Praying for y’all …love you guys!
Still sick to my stomach over this. Isaiah 2:22. Psalm 146:3. Lawson was long one of my favorite contemporary pastors/theologians, and it was cool to see and hear him last September at G3. Having said that, eternal salvation doesn’t negate earthly consequences. His privilege to lead a local church as pastor is now gone forever.
Trying to decipher what you are saying in the light of the Bible , in terms of “ prolonged sin “ that brings “displeasure from the Father”. Why not speak like the oracles of God and quote the Bible ? It clearly speaks of “ grieving of the Holy Spirit “ whenever we commit sin , specifically when knowing that we are doing wrong . Where does the Bible speak of “ prolonged “sinning ? The only place that comes to mind is a place in 1 John 3:4 -6 that reads as follows , "Everyone who makes a practice of sinning also practices lawlessness; sin is lawlessness…whosoever abides in Him does not sin ( does not keep on practicing / perfecting sin / continuous present tense ); whosoever sins has not seen Him , neither known Him .”
I would guess that they learned this from experience. It makes sense to me that there is a difference between sin which is accidental or which is repented of quickly, and that sin which is knowingly engaged in and takes place for a long time. In the former, the there have been few opportunities for repentance, and in the latter, many. Christians can't expect to be perfect, but we can expect to repent. So it does make sense that the length of time it takes a person to repent says something about his faith.
Definitely untrue to say Doug is the only one. Until James disagreed with the current crusader drama, he said everything Doug said. Just because James doesn’t agree with Wolfe isn’t reason to disregard all the stands he has made against the culture. James is a full on theonomist, just disagrees with Stephen on his version of CN. Stephen doesn’t help with his loud mouth and James doesn’t help with his loud mouth. But claiming Doug is the only one, is just patently false. There are few, and that’s a major problem, but it isn’t Doug all by himself.
Well said Joel . Steven gave up the battle of his heart against lust , that's where he stopped fighting first . And it seems like older leaders in the church are threatened by younger guys who wonna take things further than they are willing to . I guess we'll have to be patient .
That's because most pastors aren't biblical. The Bible commands that those who are elders/pastors who commit grave sins and continued to be exposed to the church for the sake of the church. God commanded that by exposing publicly, he wanted the church members to know FEAR (1 Tim :20). I understand that the modern day lawsuits and sensibility prevent public exposures, but God's command does not take the Church's finance or humiliation into consideration. He publicly humiliated the Church in Thyatira in Revelation because of their tolerance of Jezebel. For two thousands years, that church was ashamed for it's lack of discernment.
@@Guineaster Look at the state of Christianity in America. A communist nation like China is more of a "Christendom" than the US. Abortion, porn, drugs, etc. are illegal there. Look at us. 1,700 years of Christian morality and in the 20th century we became the worst exporter of abortions, porns, drugs, and everything decadent. These are symptoms of the lack of FEAR of the Lord.
I have always been concerned about the "Conference" epidemic. It seems that is now the major emphasis in the modern Church. One conference after another.
James 2:13 - For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment. Luke 6:36 - Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.
A good reminder to have a group or few close Christian friends for prayer and accountability. A person can hold important positions of trust, yet without a few people to confide in, he/she can be very much alone. What is boomer theology?
Galatians 6:1: “Brothers, if anyone is caught in any transgression, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness. Keep watch on yourself, lest you too be tempted.”
“Has not passed over the reformed house” The idea that Calvinistic soteriology makes one Reformed is strange. Most in “the reformed camp” have little to no ecclesiology, little to no sacramentology (a huge point in the reformation) irrecognizable covenant theology (for the baptists) what does this supposed “reformed” camp retain that makes them Reformed?
There are dead men's bones in every pastor's closet. Some more decomposed than others. If we only knew about them probably not one would be in public ministry.
Joel, would you mind sometime explaining with practical examples of biblical leadership? As someone who was raised more by my mom, and had little involvement from my dad, it would be great to hear real practical examples of true biblical leadership!
You need Joel Beeke for that! Biblical leadership according to Joel Beeke begins with leading family worship daily and role modelling Christ day in day out at home. Nothing wrong for a woman to do that in a home without father or if fathers won’t do that? I often wonder why Paul praises Timothy’s mother and grandmother for shaping his faith through their teaching and example? But never praise his father? Most likely, it is because nearly all Christian men sinfully refuse to lead just like Adam who let his wife take the lead and then blamed both God and her. No wonder Joel states here the lack of spiritual fathers in church including the lack of godly fatherhood in pastors & churches, sadly.
Anyone in the ministry of that level as Steve Lawson or other authority figure, needs to be held accountable to a group of others that in return can check into any aspect of his life. This is how we can be protected and kept out of trouble.
I am going to tell that this moral crisis starts from the reformed herectic view about marriage, divorce and remariage which is 99% on the protestant world pro remariage.
Pray for your ministry and church. God bless you with own building and cash flow for team. Thank Lord for your work. guys love your roughness, learn immensely from you . warm greetings and blessings from russia, pray for my church with Gods guidance become reformed, kyperian and predespositional. and got to know more about mermaids and dragons🕊️
You forgot that he 1) has a local church ministry 2) worked with TMS 3) worked with ligonier and 4) had his own ministry. So really there are 4 parties that are responsible to report, and one of them is steve lawson, the guy who happens to be involved with all other parties. He can't defer the speaking onto everyone else.
I agree that all Christian representing organizations that were paying Lawson for his expertise or services must make a statement. This went on for 5 years. This was not a brief stumble.
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From an Englishman in Slovakia at half 3 in the morning…SERVE BY LEADING…..oh dear Lord thank you for this message. And kudos to Pastor Joel too 😎 💪🏻. Thank you gentlemen.
Joel is super based. We are so fortunate to have found a small church here in the UK that ignored the covid rules and our pastor is a godly man who loves the Lord, loves the word and loves me and my family very well (he gives my 3 year old daughter a piggy back ride to our car after thr service each week!). He isn't as based as joel, but compared to vast majority of evangelical leaders in the uk, he's deeply concerned and vocal on political issues. Very glad to serve as a deacon for him
I’m in the UK and don’t live near a true church…where is your church?
@@psalm1197 redditch
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@psalm1197 seems like youtube keeps deleting my comments. I go to a small community church in redditch
@@Phoenix-wy3qi ok thank you. I’m happy you found a good place to worship, I’ve been 20 years in the “desert” so I have to watch services online. I’ve gotten used to it but it’s far from ideal
Right Response is awesome. I am one of the 13%!
@@kels4754 let’s go!!
One of the 13% here. Love Right Response Ministries. Started watching because of the nontroversy over what a wife can’t read and never left.
@@jessicawilkinson983 bless you!
Me too!
Me too!! 🙋♀️ Praying God sustains this ministry because it is needed right now
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@@oncesavedalways thank you!!
Woot!
Mercy and love ánd restoration for Pastor Steve J Lawson. We sre praying for you and every person and soul involved.
My husband and i heard that things are tight and Lord willing, we plan on joining the Patreon page. Your ministry is such a blessing to us as a young married couple and especially as young parents with two sons. We have a good church, but as y'all discussed, some pastors don't preach the strong stuff all the time so we look to this ministry for leadership in those areas. Keep fighting the good fight and never back down! God bless you and yours 😊
@@SamanthaEsquivel-kl3tc very kind. Much appreciated.
“Falling into sin” makes it sound like he stepped in a muddy puddle crossing the street!
I am one of the 13%. Thank you for your ministry. Everything you said is 100% true. Speaking as a mother of 2 young men , you nailed this!
@@patiencegarza5557 appreciated!!
Eddie Munster….”yes, here is another little heart…I check all the comments that brown nose me and stroke my ego while neglecting to work.”
I was talking about the “happy wife happy life” thing with my husband today! It is so wife center when it should be God center. I don’t want that kind of attention 😅
Happy spouse, happy house. The street is two way.
@@davidarmstrong645that's also wrong
When I hear: I need to help my wife take care of our kid… 🤔like hello! Child care isn’t for a single mum, it’s for both parties…no?! 😂😂😂 dear men, you’re not helping you’re doing your job. It’s the product of your enjoyment too. Yes? 😫Thank you. 😃
@@biblicalchristtv5717 he's not going to do an equal share of the housework and child raising. He's working 50 hours a week outside of the home in order to allow you the freedom of time and money to devote all your time to the home. That is his contribution. Anything above that is extra, have a grateful mindset and it will go well with you
@@cosmictreason2242 so he’s working 50 hours a week outside of the home, but how many hours a week is she working inside of the home? About 168 hours?
Man, I am so thankful for Joel! Thank you for your faithfulness brother!
Thank you, brothers, for the insight on this situation; tuning in from Calgary, Alberta, Canada.
Best critique I’ve heard
I'm not reformed and I'm not male, but I absolutely loved the discussion about what young men need. I'm so sad about how few strong, courageous Christian men exist and its why so many of us are single. Praying for our country 🙏 Great episode, guys!
@@rebeccacirillo2494 really appreciate your encouragement and support.
Nah you girls are picky and rarely as mature (or pretty) as you think you are. Cope won't save you, only bettering yourself. That's true for both sexes. If you scorn advice you'll get left behind for younger women 🤷♂️
@@cosmictreason2242 and he keeps on wondering why he's single....
@@aallen5256 no i don't, yew're an atheist feminist who slanders all Christians lest they be able to influence others. Go away ✋
This is SO good. You guys hit so many good points throughout this entire conversation.
I think there is a massive vacuum of sermons that make you squirm. Sermons are plentiful that ease the conscience but it’s the ones that make you sweat that drive change. I know what drove me to my church is hearing the Bible preached without apology and in its full strength. I am a man in my 30’s who grew up without a dad, nearly devastated my family with sin and still fight to keep my heart on Christ and it’s not soothing sermons that keep me headstrong moving forward. There is a place for it so you don’t fall into despair or self pity but the need for Godly strength and clear teaching is far more pressing. I am perpetually amazed at all the ways the world has contorted and conditioned my thinking on so many issues. Godly men have to rise up to lead. If manly God fearing men don’t raise up the next generation, godless ruthless pagan men will and many of them walk in step with their feminist counterparts.
Speaking of the difference between Charles Spurgeon and modern-day celebrity pastors lacking courage, Spurgeon was one of the first people to speak out against Charles Darwin's theory of evolution. There were even articles at the time referring to it as the battle of Charles's. He may have been a "celebrity pastor," but he didn't lack courage.
@@landonlawson2676 I think it impacted his life, he was not a well person and he worked indefatigably for His Lord.
Spurgeon also spoke vehemently against Marxism
You might be surprised to learn that Spurgeon believed the earth was millions of years old and that animals died before the fall of man.
This is a great episode.
Great job men. I was reluctant to dig into the Steve Lawson situation and then I saw Jon Harris had a show about. I thought, “Jon is going to be objective about this.” So I watched his show. Then I got a whole different perspective on it. And of course, you men always do an outstanding job examining the facts on issues, so when I saw you men were doing this show tonight, I knew it was going to be worth watching. You men are outstanding!
Really kind of you. Thank you.
I'm so damn sad. I never hated sin so much more than ever in my life.
@@tanacious808 good. Hate the sin and mortify it.
Good job and thanks for putting your wife and sick daughter before us. We've got The Holy Bible and Matthew Henry; that's more than enough. 1 John 4:10,11
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Tbh that’s the exact combination of literature that George Whitefield traveled with so 😉👍🏼
Excellent, very enlightening. I'm so pleased I found your channel. Now I understand the root of the issue that nobody else addressed. Thank you. I have had this situation whirling around in my head for days. I now have peace.
So all these people who are proud to be in this 13% business… be careful of your pride as you move forward. Courage is good…but it comes from GOD.
Thank you for this discussion. Much depth and wisdom here. Blessings. ❤
Amen, can’t agree enough!
So many times I’ve been aggravated with the older local preachers who will not take young people under their wing.
Great message.
I pray everyday that your church would have the means and opportunity to get a place of your own and wish I could give more to RRM.
@@JesusChristisYourLordandGod really appreciate this.
Happened upon this ministry this morning and so glad I did! Truth and fresh air listening to this conversation!
BTW I am the 13%
@@shirleyparks3086 welcome!
Sorry this is not a ministry. This is Eddie Munster trying to look tough. Childish.
Welcome to the 13 people who care how much hair gel I used today!
Sin will indelibly bring fear…the whole issue with Steve Lawson! We cannot be sinless, but we do need to work at sinning less! Psalm 69:5
This was really excellent. Thanks guys!
Guys, this was a wonderful, extremely helpful episode! Appreciate you fellas so much!
@@Cameron_Stevenson Thank you!
I’m not sure if I agree with your opening premise that moral failures are merely tied to cowardice behaviors. You can be very courageous and still have a moral failure such as adultery. Both Samson and King David were very courageous men who had a moral failure when it came to women. Unfortunately women tend to be a lot of men’s weakness.
You missed the point. Coward/Character --- Samson had bad character and was a coward to Delilah. His being a coward brought the problem full circle .
@@Lakemisch having a lapse of judgement doesn’t equate to being labeled as a coward. Those are different categories. If a lapse in judgement, which results in falling into sin, is considered cowardice then we are all cowards in some form or fashion. The judge Barak was an example of a coward because his overall demeanor exemplified it, this would also apply to King Saul. Notice that these men were cowards because of their innate demeanor which had no association with any moral failure connected with women. Samson and King David were bold like lions yet they succumbed to the appeal of woman, which led to their lapse in judgment. I think the allure of women, whether it be a wife or a mistress, causes many men to stumble. Hence God telling the Israelites before entering into the promise land to not take for themselves wives that were in the land due to the likelihood that those pagan women would turn the hearts of the Israelites away from the Lord their God. Even the angels, as described in Genesis 6, stumbled as a result of the appeal of women. You can have an overall courageous demeanor and have a weak moment which gives way to a lapse of judgment leading to sin, yet that singular moment should not define you as a coward. If that’s the case, then Peter was always a coward, even when he boldly professed Jesus Christ throughout the book of Acts to the authorities; because that moment when he denied Jesus three times earned him the label of coward. I wouldn’t label Peter a coward because of that lapse of judgment in that singular moment.
@@haiasinosdnah0813 you make some very good points.
@@haiasinosdnah0813 Dude was shagging a chic half his age for FIVE years. Not a lapse of Judgement.
David was home while his men were at war at the time of his sin. You think him brave at that point in his life?
I am one of 13% and I am so appreciative of Right Response Ministries! Praying for God’s faithful provision
I recently made a decision and acted courageously on a family matter against the council of the weak minded, I’m rejected by the wordly but confident I followed Godly advice offered by Scripture and my husband. Being courageous comes with heart ache too
You hit the nail on the head. As a bible believing woman I am starved for fathers in the church. I have many times rewatched the episodes on women because no pastor whether local or online has the chops to reprimand women or even to instruct us in our proper roles.
It’s always “well I have to talk about this because it’s in the Bible but…” or “well… what you have to understand about bible times is…”
Boldness comes from purity
Great conversation! I'm one of the 13% God bless you guys 🙏
Thank you for your ministry! It has been extremely beneficial for my Spiritual growth. I am praying for God to provide the means for the ministry to continue and the fruit to be abundant. I am exactly in you young male demographic, and frankly, I am tired of just surrendering to defeat and the lethargy of current Christian culture. I am currently on a crusade in my own life to gain the lost ground within my walk and my family's devotion to Christ. Post this victory, if the LORD wills, I will continue this offensive into my local church where I see the lack of "fathers" and crippling complacency. All praise be to King and LORD Jesus Christ!
Cool. What's your favorite thing about Jesus? What's your favorite story from the gospels?
These are the questions I wish I'd been asked when I was young.
I find it interesting what is said about courage. I see now that I lack courage in a lot of things. I was in liberal Christianity and came back and had to repent on numerous stuff but I am still struggling with cowardice to identify myself as a Christian clearly with people.
My question would be: how do you develop courage? I would really like to not be a coward anymore…
These guys have already answered implicitly, right? (1) Integrity with sin holistically like John Owen’s book, Mortification of Sin. A good tree these guys reminded us cannot bear bad branches or fruits. And (2) Have a spiritual father in church, hopefully your pastor or an elder? Kill every sin you become aware of with integrity… but you also need a father for accountability, teaching and leadership. At least that’s what I hear.
Zeal. Love for God over material comfort
I just found you guys. Love it.
I love to hear Pastor Joel talk about the reconciliation with his old church.
Such a rarety but such a grace
1 John 1:9-10
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
Matthew 6:14-15
14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses
Amen
Dr. Lawson is the recipient of the same grace. He is just no longer qualified to be an Elder.
@@garyurtiaga9426 If he is repentant. That’s a quote has yet to be seen
This was excellent and helpful the whole way through. Thank you, guys!
Where’s my fellow 13% at?! 💃🏼😆
@@SerenityNow22 👗🌷👋
@@SerenityNow22 bless you!
Part of the 13% 🎉 I really appreciate this ministry!
@@Abiding_Home very grateful for you.
13% here. I listened to the entire podcast and found it to be fruitful. Thank you for this important conversation.
I'm incredibly disheartened by this news. Pastor Lawson preached two of the best sermons I've ever heard in person, and I never would have suspected that he would be caught up in this kind of scandal, especially at his age. This did not help me in my personal situation as my wife is struggling with the whole protestant tradition and its outcomes, and especially reformed theology to the point she is increasingly intrigued by eastern orthodoxy, about which I have serious reservations. Blows like this Lawson affair news are tough to take.
Same brother. It hurts. Its happened to me a few times with different Christians who I loved deeply. At the end though, if you abandoned God because of other people, then you faith was never in Him at all. Hold to truth and remain unmoved. God will get you through it. God bless
The bigger question should be why are you holding these men on such pedestals? The doctrine is the doctrine. Allowing men to shape your interpretation of God's word is a bad start.
We've created an environment in the church where pastors can become celebrities. This is why I believe that churches should be smaller in size. Maybe even home church bible studies. To avoid having men have so much prominence in church
I should clarify that this news makes me sad and disappointed, but my faith isn't the one shaken. I admired the preaching of Lawson, but he is far from even my favorite preacher, much less my guru or something. It's my wife who is doubting protestantism, the Solas, and all the rest and when these prominent evangelical men fall into or are caught in these scandals it hurts my case in her eyes, which causes strife in our marriage.
@@Arkeo36Go to ancientpathstv and watch his videos on Catholics and Eastern Orthodox. You can probably find ammunition there to shepherd your wife away from considering it.
Joel's critique of Lawson focusing on biblical exposition rather than the culture wars is one of the most ridiculous takes I've heard. Maybe I misunderstood him. I really doubt Lawson's fall was the result of being too focused on the scriptures .
true Biblical exposition will definitely have practical applications for the times.. the fact that Lawson dodged that aspect proves he WASN’T truly expositing and acting cowardly by avoiding it
@@toughbiblepassages9082 what you're talking about Lawson calls the "so what". How does this passage apply to my own life. Something tells me you haven't actually listened to Steve Lawson. You saying he doesn't speak about practical application kinda shows your ignorance. Respectfully
5 years of deception- never going to challenge the culture and put your head above the parapet! Stay pietism and the flock will just love your intelligence 🤦
Great episode!
I’m one of the 13%! I’m not intimidated by men who take a stand. The church needs more strong men willing to stand no matter what it costs them. I pray the Lord continues to bless your much needed ministry!🙏🙏🙏
1:17:06 At first I thought you were going to say “roasted every day by a family of squirrels.” 😂
@@sethsherwood1839 😂
Good conversation. I found it interesting that, "it seemed", those who were very quick to question Ravi's salvation were not as forward and quick in questioning Lawson's salvation. Both were long term sin patterns. One longer, maybe, than the other, but, still, both were long term as they continued to speak and write books.
13%er here who loves listening for your insights in general, but also because you convict me with incredible insights in how to better submit to and encourage my husband’s leadership.
I feed on pastor like Steve Lawson, John MacArthur, Paul Washer, R C Sproul, Burk Parsons. Cus in my local church don’t teach the all Scripture, so i have to grow and hear sound doctrine. So is painful to see one of the beloved teachers fall. I hope he is repented and restored.
Why not read Matthew and as you read, ask Jesus to explain things to you?
Yes, I mean literally stop. Look up and say... "dear Lord, can you help me understand this?" Or if he says something you like, stop and tell him "I like when you said that."
Let Jesus feed you.
@@AnHebrewChild
It's both brother, Jesus gave pastors and teachers to His church for growth and edification
Don't be sad, didn't God DECREE for this sin to occur?? -Calvinism teaches this. 🙄🤔🤨
Is the host suggesting (at about the 9:45-10:15 time stamp) that Lawson was never saved to begin with??
It that's true (i doubt it) then he was a master deceiver! - and deceived all these other "men of God ".
Happy to be a part of that 13%.
I do wonder if rock star ministry may be a key part of this problem. Never ending travel, away from wife and family and local elders and close friends.
Yes I would like to see Lawson's phone history
You are absolutely correct , secrete sin and fear!
Great video! Thanks Joel.
And according to the elders of his church he’s unrepentant and asking them not to judge him by his actions that are disqualifying for an elder.
42 minutes?! Is not nearly enough time to take in and enjoy the complete meals you serve Bro! I could handle an hour and 42 or more to be sure.
Praying for y’all …love you guys!
Excellent job brothers!👍
Keep fighting- election day approaches.
Still sick to my stomach over this. Isaiah 2:22. Psalm 146:3.
Lawson was long one of my favorite contemporary pastors/theologians, and it was cool to see and hear him last September at G3.
Having said that, eternal salvation doesn’t negate earthly consequences. His privilege to lead a local church as pastor is now gone forever.
I love Pastor Joel!
We were sharing this information in our small circle of friends and I am so thankful for you! I am the 13th percent:)
Commenting to encourage both you and the algorithm.
I’m the 13% as well 😂 proud to be a follower and supporter. Thank you for all that y’all do
Trying to decipher what you are saying in the light of the Bible , in terms of “ prolonged sin “ that brings “displeasure from the Father”. Why not speak like the oracles of God and quote the Bible ? It clearly speaks of “ grieving of the Holy Spirit “ whenever we commit sin , specifically when knowing that we are doing wrong . Where does the Bible speak of “ prolonged “sinning ? The only place that comes to mind is a place in 1 John 3:4 -6 that reads as follows , "Everyone who makes a practice of sinning also practices lawlessness; sin is lawlessness…whosoever abides in Him does not sin ( does not keep on practicing / perfecting sin / continuous present tense ); whosoever sins has not seen Him , neither known Him .”
I would guess that they learned this from experience. It makes sense to me that there is a difference between sin which is accidental or which is repented of quickly, and that sin which is knowingly engaged in and takes place for a long time. In the former, the there have been few opportunities for repentance, and in the latter, many. Christians can't expect to be perfect, but we can expect to repent. So it does make sense that the length of time it takes a person to repent says something about his faith.
Thanks!
@@haroldwalma255 very kind. Thank you!
Definitely untrue to say Doug is the only one. Until James disagreed with the current crusader drama, he said everything Doug said. Just because James doesn’t agree with Wolfe isn’t reason to disregard all the stands he has made against the culture. James is a full on theonomist, just disagrees with Stephen on his version of CN. Stephen doesn’t help with his loud mouth and James doesn’t help with his loud mouth. But claiming Doug is the only one, is just patently false. There are few, and that’s a major problem, but it isn’t Doug all by himself.
James as in James White??
If so, he is not a theonomist
Pastor Joel! Oh my goodness. At 53:08 you gave Wesley and Michael a couple small heart attacks. 😂
I've never seen Pastor Joel and John Cooper in the same room together.
I've never seen John Cooper wear glasses or Joel without them 🤔
😅 talked yourself back from the ledge! Brilliant.
another 13% :) praying for RRM!
@@lauradurkee6343 thank you!
Well said Joel . Steven gave up the battle of his heart against lust , that's where he stopped fighting first .
And it seems like older leaders in the church are threatened by younger guys who wonna take things further than they are willing to .
I guess we'll have to be patient .
We go to a
Good church but take advantage of excellent speakers and conferences because we want to grow in knowledge and truth.
Thanks for talking about Steve Lawson, I wish more pastors would be doing so.
That's because most pastors aren't biblical. The Bible commands that those who are elders/pastors who commit grave sins and continued to be exposed to the church for the sake of the church. God commanded that by exposing publicly, he wanted the church members to know FEAR (1 Tim :20).
I understand that the modern day lawsuits and sensibility prevent public exposures, but God's command does not take the Church's finance or humiliation into consideration. He publicly humiliated the Church in Thyatira in Revelation because of their tolerance of Jezebel. For two thousands years, that church was ashamed for it's lack of discernment.
@@thomasc9036 I agree. Even someone like Dr White, who I’m sure has his reasons, I think should have said at least something
@@Guineaster Look at the state of Christianity in America. A communist nation like China is more of a "Christendom" than the US. Abortion, porn, drugs, etc. are illegal there. Look at us. 1,700 years of Christian morality and in the 20th century we became the worst exporter of abortions, porns, drugs, and everything decadent.
These are symptoms of the lack of FEAR of the Lord.
He did
@@allaboutcreativity5247 Alright yes, I was wondering why he didn’t on his previous dividing line
Stop the conferences and parchurch ministries. Stay in the local church because you will be held accountable.
I have always been concerned about the "Conference" epidemic. It seems that is now the major emphasis in the modern Church. One conference after another.
Thank you for sharing RRMs financial status.
I am going to move part of my charitable giving from ligonier to you
You gettin’ played man
The church he pastored at is just up the road by a block or two from the gae strip(oak lawn) in Dallas.
Glad to be part of the 87% XD
James 2:13 - For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.
Luke 6:36 - Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.
A good reminder to have a group or few close Christian friends for prayer and accountability. A person can hold important positions of trust, yet without a few people to confide in, he/she can be very much alone.
What is boomer theology?
Galatians 6:1: “Brothers, if anyone is caught in any transgression, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness. Keep watch on yourself, lest you too be tempted.”
“Has not passed over the reformed house”
The idea that Calvinistic soteriology makes one Reformed is strange. Most in “the reformed camp” have little to no ecclesiology, little to no sacramentology (a huge point in the reformation) irrecognizable covenant theology (for the baptists) what does this supposed “reformed” camp retain that makes them Reformed?
These fellows tend to talk and put people into groups. That is what the current govts are doing. How are you going to be different? Just be careful.
Are you putting these people in the group of people who put people into groups?
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This was well done
Phil Johnson exercised doctrine of the lesser magistrate by coming forth and nullifying speculation
There are dead men's bones in every pastor's closet. Some more decomposed than others. If we only knew about them probably not one would be in public ministry.
Joel, would you mind sometime explaining with practical examples of biblical leadership? As someone who was raised more by my mom, and had little involvement from my dad, it would be great to hear real practical examples of true biblical leadership!
You need Joel Beeke for that! Biblical leadership according to Joel Beeke begins with leading family worship daily and role modelling Christ day in day out at home. Nothing wrong for a woman to do that in a home without father or if fathers won’t do that? I often wonder why Paul praises Timothy’s mother and grandmother for shaping his faith through their teaching and example? But never praise his father? Most likely, it is because nearly all Christian men sinfully refuse to lead just like Adam who let his wife take the lead and then blamed both God and her. No wonder Joel states here the lack of spiritual fathers in church including the lack of godly fatherhood in pastors & churches, sadly.
Doug Wilson's dear Dawson series is helpful
Anyone in the ministry of that level as Steve Lawson or other authority figure, needs to be held accountable to a group of others that in return can check into any aspect of his life. This is how we can be protected and kept out of trouble.
Amen! Let’s have more (Alpha) fathers!!!
I think pride is what caught Lawson.
75 year old elder and a 20 year old girl potentially younger.
13% right here
I am going to tell that this moral crisis starts from the reformed herectic view about marriage, divorce and remariage which is 99% on the protestant world pro remariage.
Pray for your ministry and church. God bless you with own building and cash flow for team. Thank Lord for your work. guys love your roughness, learn immensely from you . warm greetings and blessings from russia, pray for my church with Gods guidance become reformed, kyperian and predespositional. and got to know more about mermaids and dragons🕊️
You forgot that he 1) has a local church ministry 2) worked with TMS 3) worked with ligonier and 4) had his own ministry. So really there are 4 parties that are responsible to report, and one of them is steve lawson, the guy who happens to be involved with all other parties. He can't defer the speaking onto everyone else.
Praying for your daughter
I am in the 13%! I am a 42 year old female, so millennial. ❤
@@naomimay82 you are most welcome! Thank you!
It is pretty sad how none of these dudes have jobs. I sure could use a helping hand with my Christmas lights business.
Concerning Billy Graham, check out a book called Billy Graham and His Friends: A Hidden Agenda? by Dr. Cathy Burns.
Gotta check it out, thanks
I agree that all Christian representing organizations that were paying Lawson for his expertise or services must make a statement. This went on for 5 years. This was not a brief stumble.