Like for the headsup on bugged crit. Lucky for me I tried him on normal game. Zero damage on autos, but the changes to 2 scalling speed and damage are neat. Basically he's old Shoyue but can go through tanks and sustain now. Totally a buff. But they need to fix him ASAP!
I think it's a bug, probably because they decided to keep the previous mechanic where his crit chance increases his skills dmg. It's such a shame because otherwise the rework is pretty great. I've tried it in Simulation Mode and the aiming speed buffs are REALLY noticeable even in early game due to his new passive. Hopefully it'll be fixed ASAP since he might be the one that could break the current stalemate in FL by shutting down all of these mid game beasts like Marco, Garo, Loong, and Di Renjie in lane and scale smoothly into late game with his improved DPS. UPDATE : The crit bug is FIXED, now Shouyue could crit his basic atk normally. So for those waiting for this long-awaited rework, have fun using him. Meanwhile, for those who don't like it as much, please stop overreacting too much. After all, YOU COULD STILL PLAY HIM AS A FULL-ON SNIPER AND USE HIS FULL PHYS ATK BUILD AS MUCH AS YOU WANT. Aside from the reduced basic atk's scaling (which even then is made up by his new passive), his rework barely affect his performance with that playstyle and build.
that's what i was thinking, one of the content creator (th-cam.com/video/aGXxa1hGHMM/w-d-xo.htmlsi=4ONem31z1xCZlOnC) apparently said he was going to crit but turns out he does not
Do you know if he can crit in the CN version after he was reworked there a few months earlier? That should give us an idea of whether the Global rework is bugged or intentional.
Can't you play shouyou because they don't have critical damage set? It's like the part that tells you that you can put critical damage on it but, when I play it, it doesn't have that when I played it previously, although the change when aiming is quite noticeable. I don't think it looks intentional, but it seems like a bug by mistake, it is normal that if this error appears it is very likely that they should report the error that shouyou has BUT, don't play shouyou, if a random person plays shouyou or here in the community who doesn't know, just wait for the bug to be fixed.
Shouyue global version is definitely bugged, he`s supposed to be able to land critical hits, now he`s not doing damage at all with his auto attacks. At the early game? Sure np. But even in the late game he still sucks. I hope TiMi fix this ASAP, or just temporary ban him from being picked for now until its fixed
@@Skywalker_100 I do agree, he seems to be performing worst now compared from his original skill set. I like his old playstyle more, slow atk spd but with big dmg.
They probably want to make him to be more flexible or simply just want another garo but minus the mana/energy management, i mean did anyone use sunchaser even before the shouyue's autoattack rework? But man they cant change entire player pov tell that shouyue is weak WHEN THEY ALWAYS MISS SKILLSHOT AND LOVE PLAY NEAR MELEE RANGE. People being stupid, you cant cure it
@@vandlassie8478 yeah I've seen the Chinese version have made it work with this revamp but he lacks crit which is very important to him. If I wanted an attack speed there are many mm I can choose his crit is what sets him apart from the rest.
@@Skywalker_100 If we talk about the niche build for shouyue, which is aggressive "supp" play style, then he really need attack speed to make it work. What i mean by "supp", i mean using his skillshot only for pure utility sake or simply secure kill. You really cant ignore just how strong 90% slow. Did you forget just how his long the auto range compared to other mm? you literally can kite everyone with your superior range, did i mention you have mobility (kinda?) skill and on top of it flank watcher aka ward vision? The thing is almost every adc item have built in crit, so basically attack speed item kinda pump up his pre-rework auto damage?
High damage, low attack speed is what make him unique. 200% to 100%, almost like any other Marksman, except he can't even Crit. I like the others Changes, but reducing his Damage this much is crazy, he's trash trash. Ain't gonna main him no more, till they do something about this trash rework.
Between uniqueness and usability in ranked, I choose usability. There is a reason he woldn't see light in CN competitive scenario and after rework, he's pick or ban.
@@potatoebomb4114 Yeah, I noticed it too (thankfully in normals lol). I didn't play him since then, but some say he got hot fixed. But his early game is one of the worst now... Struggling to even last hit.
@@joseluisdossantoscruz1102 I'm having a hard time adjusting, got so used to his high damage lol. Even with a few items, he still barely deal much damage. And not every games gonna last that long for him to full build.
It's still viable, the changes mainly nerf their late-game performance through Bloodrage's nerf, the others are still strong AS LONG AS YOU USED FULL TANK BUILD
As a shou yue main i find this really bad for him because I couldn't abuse his high damage attacks and basic attacks in the early game, I'm struggling with bad roamer so I use shou yue to easily win early game damage and in the late game I could just dominate everyone. This rework is overall pretty bad to him I might change to another marksman.
I want to win early game against any other marksman but this just makes him worser, he's already dominating in early game with high damage BA,don't get me wrong I do like that the detection skill are more useful now but it's just that he's more useless in late game with a lot of opening and the time he has to escape fast assassin....
Instead of doing very high damage BA he's now like any other normal marksman that gets stronger through the game, I really like his gameplay of keeping a huge distance from the enemy while dealing high damage to melt their tanks...
I use old build and damage skill still strong. Idk the different but the basic attack is more weak than before with old build although the casting skill is more fast than before..
I feel like rather than giving tanky item nerf nerf some tank who are spammy. Nerfing tanky item is not a problem but still i feel like this patch is useless.
I barely used shouyue since he has a high learning curve(well for me) but whenever I do use him, and when I use him properly, I always felt like a beast. But now, it just felt... Mehhh
do use him especially if enemy team picked invisible heroes like prince of lanling. shoyue first skill can detect him as clear as day. place the trap in potential ambush route in the bush and you can see him all the time.
This rework takes away his uniqueness :( now he just uses the same item build and play style as others but isn't as good at it like others because he was made to be different
It's not like you can't build him with full phys atk build anymore, it's definitely still viable. Heck, some of the stuffs from the rework also improve that build (the new Skill 1's passive, for example)
He's a mediocre mage, it's because he's more of a close ranged attacker than the usual mages that attack in the back. People usually use him as a roamer because of his great CC and the decent amount of damage he has in early-mid game
O jogo de vocês é diferente ao algo assim? Acabei de fazer quadra kill com shouyue em dua partidas rank grão mestre 31 🌟 e vocês falando que ele ta ruim 😂😂
I do like the stack changes tho, always felt he needed more bullets or different charges for each ability
Agreed, maybe just change him to mana or energy
Like for the headsup on bugged crit. Lucky for me I tried him on normal game. Zero damage on autos, but the changes to 2 scalling speed and damage are neat. Basically he's old Shoyue but can go through tanks and sustain now. Totally a buff. But they need to fix him ASAP!
haha yeah it's literally TRASH.
I triede 6 games and I feel HE HAS NO DAMAGE ( Auto attack )
but has skill damage instead ( weird )
His chinese version can land critical hit thou
Changed now
I miss old Shouyue that can 2 shot squishy in lategame with basic attack. Sighh.......
I just recently check on shouyue, now he doesnt suffered the crit rate convertion, he can crit basic attack now
So now shoyue is good?
I think it's a bug, probably because they decided to keep the previous mechanic where his crit chance increases his skills dmg. It's such a shame because otherwise the rework is pretty great. I've tried it in Simulation Mode and the aiming speed buffs are REALLY noticeable even in early game due to his new passive.
Hopefully it'll be fixed ASAP since he might be the one that could break the current stalemate in FL by shutting down all of these mid game beasts like Marco, Garo, Loong, and Di Renjie in lane and scale smoothly into late game with his improved DPS.
UPDATE : The crit bug is FIXED, now Shouyue could crit his basic atk normally. So for those waiting for this long-awaited rework, have fun using him.
Meanwhile, for those who don't like it as much, please stop overreacting too much. After all, YOU COULD STILL PLAY HIM AS A FULL-ON SNIPER AND USE HIS FULL PHYS ATK BUILD AS MUCH AS YOU WANT. Aside from the reduced basic atk's scaling (which even then is made up by his new passive), his rework barely affect his performance with that playstyle and build.
that's what i was thinking, one of the content creator (th-cam.com/video/aGXxa1hGHMM/w-d-xo.htmlsi=4ONem31z1xCZlOnC) apparently said he was going to crit but turns out he does not
Do you know if he can crit in the CN version after he was reworked there a few months earlier? That should give us an idea of whether the Global rework is bugged or intentional.
he has a video on him in the CN version after the rework. He can crit just fine there.
@@trebilicious he can do crit
That's why he is always being banned that time
He is disgusting now. They just ruined my main adc and killed all of his unique appeal
4:57 is such an amazing play, made my jaw drop
Can't you play shouyou because they don't have critical damage set?
It's like the part that tells you that you can put critical damage on it but, when I play it, it doesn't have that when I played it previously, although the change when aiming is quite noticeable.
I don't think it looks intentional, but it seems like a bug by mistake, it is normal that if this error appears it is very likely that they should report the error that shouyou has
BUT, don't play shouyou, if a random person plays shouyou or here in the community who doesn't know, just wait for the bug to be fixed.
I'll still try my own attspd build on him, cause his pasif still have the old pasif where his critical got converted into physical dmg instead
Shouyue global version is definitely bugged, he`s supposed to be able to land critical hits, now he`s not doing damage at all with his auto attacks. At the early game? Sure np. But even in the late game he still sucks.
I hope TiMi fix this ASAP, or just temporary ban him from being picked for now until its fixed
Since when is shouyue an attack speed mm. This is an L rework
@@Skywalker_100 I do agree, he seems to be performing worst now compared from his original skill set. I like his old playstyle more, slow atk spd but with big dmg.
@gerbearr2388 yeah crit is very important to him like since when does a sniper require attack speed 😂. The Devs are not cooking with this ass revamp
They probably want to make him to be more flexible or simply just want another garo but minus the mana/energy management, i mean did anyone use sunchaser even before the shouyue's autoattack rework? But man they cant change entire player pov tell that shouyue is weak WHEN THEY ALWAYS MISS SKILLSHOT AND LOVE PLAY NEAR MELEE RANGE. People being stupid, you cant cure it
@@vandlassie8478 yeah I've seen the Chinese version have made it work with this revamp but he lacks crit which is very important to him. If I wanted an attack speed there are many mm I can choose his crit is what sets him apart from the rest.
@@Skywalker_100 If we talk about the niche build for shouyue, which is aggressive "supp" play style, then he really need attack speed to make it work. What i mean by "supp", i mean using his skillshot only for pure utility sake or simply secure kill. You really cant ignore just how strong 90% slow. Did you forget just how his long the auto range compared to other mm? you literally can kite everyone with your superior range, did i mention you have mobility (kinda?) skill and on top of it flank watcher aka ward vision?
The thing is almost every adc item have built in crit, so basically attack speed item kinda pump up his pre-rework auto damage?
High damage, low attack speed is what make him unique. 200% to 100%, almost like any other Marksman, except he can't even Crit. I like the others Changes, but reducing his Damage this much is crazy, he's trash trash. Ain't gonna main him no more, till they do something about this trash rework.
Between uniqueness and usability in ranked, I choose usability. There is a reason he woldn't see light in CN competitive scenario and after rework, he's pick or ban.
@@joseluisdossantoscruz1102 He lost alot of damage cuz he couldn't crit, but I think they already fixed that now
@@potatoebomb4114 Yeah, I noticed it too (thankfully in normals lol). I didn't play him since then, but some say he got hot fixed. But his early game is one of the worst now... Struggling to even last hit.
@@joseluisdossantoscruz1102 I'm having a hard time adjusting, got so used to his high damage lol. Even with a few items, he still barely deal much damage. And not every games gonna last that long for him to full build.
I like him but honestly I discover that the best ADCs are those who can overpower you, who can shower you with basic attacks.
Tried him yesterday and it was a pain that I had realized he wasn’t dealing critical damage 😢
Oh yeah, kyoui it was a bug. He got a hotfix and now can crit.
Your damage is too low even after got so fed, guess the build
Jungle tank is still okey for this updates??..cause i see patch jungle tank be nerfed..it is still oke to me play that??
@@RidzuanLasson it is still okay
It's just optimized for those heavy tanks and not
It's still viable, the changes mainly nerf their late-game performance through Bloodrage's nerf, the others are still strong AS LONG AS YOU USED FULL TANK BUILD
For me shouye not trash. Cause I'm a user shouye and top 1% Asia.
I'm user player shouye used critical build .
Yep I've tried him, and like you said No Damage
As a shou yue main i find this really bad for him because I couldn't abuse his high damage attacks and basic attacks in the early game, I'm struggling with bad roamer so I use shou yue to easily win early game damage and in the late game I could just dominate everyone.
This rework is overall pretty bad to him I might change to another marksman.
My 15 win streak with him are gone because of this revamp, I couldn't play him the old style anymore.....
I want to win early game against any other marksman but this just makes him worser, he's already dominating in early game with high damage BA,don't get me wrong I do like that the detection skill are more useful now but it's just that he's more useless in late game with a lot of opening and the time he has to escape fast assassin....
Instead of doing very high damage BA he's now like any other normal marksman that gets stronger through the game, I really like his gameplay of keeping a huge distance from the enemy while dealing high damage to melt their tanks...
@@VonFuturehow is his basic atk damage? I tend to use that more than snipe
@WWeWin88 it's heavily reduced. Instead of you doing 2k-3k dmg late game you do 500-1k dmg now
I use old build and damage skill still strong. Idk the different but the basic attack is more weak than before with old build although the casting skill is more fast than before..
I feel like rather than giving tanky item nerf nerf some tank who are spammy. Nerfing tanky item is not a problem but still i feel like this patch is useless.
I barely used shouyue since he has a high learning curve(well for me) but whenever I do use him, and when I use him properly, I always felt like a beast. But now, it just felt... Mehhh
do use him especially if enemy team picked invisible heroes like prince of lanling. shoyue first skill can detect him as clear as day. place the trap in potential ambush route in the bush and you can see him all the time.
@lakraknjeprak2536 that's what I do, but now I feel like his damage is lower than before
@@The_Seekerr that's because they remove the 200% normal attack part. i'm not even angry at this point, i'm disappointed 😑
you should try shouyue now make another video, is a bug they fix it, now he can crit, he very strong
if intentional, he is the worst mm rn? what do you think
probably coz chinese version shouyue can crit
The devs are clueless on what to do and what not just keep it simple idk who would have reported so that it was necessary to rework him
This rework takes away his uniqueness :( now he just uses the same item build and play style as others but isn't as good at it like others because he was made to be different
It's not like you can't build him with full phys atk build anymore, it's definitely still viable. Heck, some of the stuffs from the rework also improve that build (the new Skill 1's passive, for example)
True but it's like buying shin ramen only to use the noodles to make something else. It's works but feels a bit off @@youagain8447
I think this is similar to china shouyue? Is he trash with attack speed rework in china too
No shouyue in china can deal crit damage
I thought im the only having this crit issue😂
I decided to redownload hok cuz I am hella bored on someone's birthday and I see wuyan cn changes woooo creams to death
Hi bro. Are we gonna get a musashi video soon?😊
yup
attack speed for a sniper makes no sense very weird rework, I guess they saw the global players being too skill issue sniping
Rank star?
Gm above
Should at least adjust his base attack damage to 130% phy attack and can crit.....missed his 200% base attack dmg
He's now effing Lesley from MLBB. Bruh😢
Just because people can't use him this is appropriate
Hello can I ask ? Why I can't find that hero " yuan ge " ? I watch the gameplay is good and I want to buy him but I can't find it ???
not yet available in global
@kyouitv 😞 I hope next update yuan ge release in global
this gotta be bug or smth cuz he cant even do crit like chinese shouyue does or else this shouyue rework in global would be much better
So it want me i think they forgot about that crt part
Oh, i thought there's a weird person tried this build not the regular one. Just beaten him in ranked and yea this build has no dmg😂
Im gonna lie.. this reworks are awesome
so you lyin?
should i go mozi tank or damage build as a roamer. (i hit 8/10 shots)
Prob both semi tank mage
He's a mediocre mage, it's because he's more of a close ranged attacker than the usual mages that attack in the back.
People usually use him as a roamer because of his great CC and the decent amount of damage he has in early-mid game
@@VonFuture I added "as a roamer" btw. anyhow thanks for the info
Definitely a bug.
Nah i prever shouye before rework
I was really hoping they would rework on Marco adding ricochet to his 1st ability like hayate would have been a great addition
its bugged i think...
I think it's a bug.
the old shouyue is best with massive damage even without the attack speed.
not gonna lie a L rework by them
Honestly the rework is pretty stupid 🤣
O jogo de vocês é diferente ao algo assim? Acabei de fazer quadra kill com shouyue em dua partidas rank grão mestre 31 🌟 e vocês falando que ele ta ruim 😂😂
@@RafaelFerreira-ec8bo tá péssimo
should i go mozi tank or damage build as a roamer. (i hit 8/10 shots)
should i go mozi tank or damage build as a roamer. (i hit 8/10 shots)
should i go mozi tank or damage build as a roamer. (i hit 8/10 shots)