One of, if not my favorite podcast from you so far. He’s totally right, your podcasts have allowed the community to hear so many different point of views about the game, which is so important for a game like this. I hope these never stop, and people continue to show up for these. This is YOUR THING Tri! And you’re so good at it! Keep it up man!
Was a great podcast! Loved how he approached his content and LOVED what he said about path of building. Path of Building is not needed for experimenting and I have had way more fun trying out things blindly. There are plenty of interactions you can't learn unless you are testing things in game. Instant fan of Jungroan!
PoB isn't needed for people with the time to make costly mistakes for sure, while I mostly enjoyed it without it sometimes damage would nosedive for reasons I couldnt work out putting me off trying something out there with my build so I like PoB allowing me to 'test' things without hours of farming back to square one. Waiting for an economy reset to jump back in cause ended up bricking 2 lvl 80's with stupid build attempts 😂
Never fully sat through a Jung stream but I like bro a lot. I thought he had a super analytic strat for making broken builds, but he's legit just trying stuff out like the rest of us lol this was a nice change of pace
Cool talk and a very interesting perspective to shed light on. I'm really enjoying this series of interviews. I especially liked the positive note Jung ended on: Yes sometimes patch notes are throwing a wrench into your system, but it's much healthier to see that as a challenge to break the next best thing rather that sink into a mind state of doom and gloom.
I agree with Jung, thanks for what you're doing. These interviews are great. And in general, your enthusiasm is infectious. Just stop calling people "you butt!" Haven't heard it in a few weeks, which is good. I suggest you keep it that way.
gotta lot of respect for this guy, he gets good and owns games like a true nerd, i can tell he enjoys breaking numbers and seeing the biggest crits, while enjoying a difficult challent at the same time.
I've heard of Jungroan in passing, but never consumed his stuff. This was a great introduction to him, for those of us who are new and unfamiliar with him.
The D3 comment (and the GW1 slip) point to a universal fact. A hardcap burst damage constraint in development monster side produces some of the best mechanical depth options or forces the devs to suffer/admit their lack of skill (as Actiblizz often showed off). And it should apply to bosses, even their ultimate moves like the arbiter flame tunnels and fryingpan ring assuming a proportional investment has been made to defenses (as in, you dedicate a solid 80% of your passive skill tree on reducing enemy damage and amping EHP), resulting in a slow clash of titans just as a full glass build should have the proportional time reward in a "hp side david vs goliath while damage side meeting of peers" case.
The idea of playing a game and just "seeing the numbers and the skill" compared with noticing the environmentals is a big difference in how/why folks play. IMHO, the ambiance of this game is great, though I never played POE, so I'm still connecting with the lore, but the graphics and sound are incredible. The bloom effects are wild on a 4090.
Re: "PvE" balance...one of the benefits of "tank" classes in other games is the ability to keep the attention of a boss, so that the DPS can focus on not standing in the green/purple/fire on the floor while executing their combos.
Thanks for the podcast. I said the same thing a while ago as Jung, for the last 12 years I would've been watching USA News as my favorite drama TV show if I didn't live here and it wasn't actually affecting my life. All of this is so ridiculous
Tri you mentioned that you can't think of an issue regarding the target dummy but have you thought of server capacity? It might be a reason too. As i write this the POE2 site/trade is down and i think we should pressure them more on upgrading that part as a higher priority and for second to fix all the perfomance issues in game before focusing so much on nerfing classes etc.
from the little i remember from devs, they are kind of afraid that it would take too much work, cause they imagine you would need a fully customizable dummy, so people can test on white mobs, magic, rare, bosses, pinacle, and then you want to test mobs with certain mods, bosses with mods, etc..
Great cast. I'll also recommend mace. I started a warrior on Dec 6th and got to maps using dual 2-hand maces. The basic attack is the one I use for main damage. About halfway through campaign, I started un-spec'ing defense passives and later ditched the shield. Slower, fun gameplay.
I used to dislike this channel, especially pre PoE2 release due to reasons often parroted then. But you've turned me around with the work since release, it has been great and now I'm staying subscribed. Fantatic interview, once again.
Jung seems like a very chill and eloquent guy. I hadn't interacted with his content that much before but a lot of the highlight channels and general community discourse around him paint him as some sort of supervillain, which is totally undeserved imo.
I'm fine with losing xp on death after a certain level. I'm fine with the one portal system. But pls give me another shot at whatever mechanic was on the map 😩
So glad to hear someone being honest & ranking PoE2 as like a 7.5 outta 10. How many people got their best gear from trading b/c crafting is a waste of currency? Progress grinds to a halt in mapping & just turns into currency speed farming in order to buy power. There's always a fear of random 1-shots, & the punishment for death is ridiculously harsh. The game mode & the trials are what people didn't like to do in PoE1, but now they simp for it in PoE2. And if you're playing on console... god have mercy on your soul the game runs so bad.
You really aren't buying power, since all of the items you are buying are crafted or found by other players. I've been selling some items lately and have made some currency from it. It doesn't take too much trial and error to craft some good items. All you need is the right base piece. Trial of the sekhemas needs work for sure though. People need their ascendencies, so having a system that makes certain builds useless early is not good.
Mercenary Mace Witchhunter with Zealous Inquisition Stampede + Bleed Hammer of the Gods, combo Seismic Cry, Leap Slam, Resonating Shield, Stampede, Shield Charge. A lot of fun
Super nice podcast. Training dummies would be nice but for real build-testing we would need an NPC that "trains" with us. Both Doryani and the Vaal Priestess are capable fighters in the lore, they should be able to take a hit xD
As a player that's new to actually loving end game in an ARPG as complex as POE2, it's interesting to hear all these number guys be interested in the numbers instead of mechanics and game feel. I hated math in school and it takes a lot to make numbers even remotely interesting to me. This game does a good job of it though.
those shield guys on the dreadnought need a rework, they pile up on the narrow bridges and you cant damage them from the front so some builds get cucked super hard
hey I recently saw one of your videos where you mentioned you will have another interview in February, please i beg you to ask a question about the skin prices. What i mean by that. Path of Exile got insane high skin prices, most full armor sets cost 45€ and some up to 89€ The despair armour pack + back costs: 148€, this is insane. I love to buy skins and i spend huge cash in games like league and i know a lot of other people do so too. I am sure if skin would cost around 20-30€ for a full armour pack WAY more people would purchase them and in the end they would make a win even with lower prices. I would really appreciative if you could ask them if they would be open to test out a skin pack with a lower price to see if it will sell more then the average. I hope you will be able to fit in this question i know i am not alone with this issue
I'm really hoping with the other six characters the new ones that they drop 1 every 2 months or something like that instead of just dropping them all at once.
I don't think they should have nerfed the gorilla. I think any time you can't beat a boss. You need to backtrack and level up and farm for better gear. Until you can . I ran SSF All 6 characters 1 ascendancy for each one through to cruel, it just takes time.
on bossing: MMO boss design is WRONG, PoE is not turn based or tab-target, boss fight should not be pattern recognition and state-machine based, it should be a dance with the boss, boss should react to what you do, if you play aggressive, boss should focus on dodging you, if you play defensive, boss should try to break your stance, if you escape to heal, boss should pressure you MMO bossing is most boring when your input are action-realtime based i can't believe that's what jung is suggesting; no wonder everyone wants to build for one shotting bosses, they are not interested in the challenge, hence why they want pattern based bossing so they can turn off their brain and one keep ose shotting things, skill less
When ppl spend so long in the base game that they can play it with their eyes closed then HC offers a new challenge. IMO, its primarly the no lifes and content creators that will enjoy HC. If you have a career, relationship, or family that needs cared for then softcore is actually the only choice.
I didn't find cruel to be overly easy. I think it was easier then the first 3 acts on normal but killing bosses in 3 seconds was definitely not my experience. I actually found the campaign to be easier with my warrior then my sorc. I'm using arc as my main skill so maybe that why, but I know bosses aren't rolling over and dying for me that quick. Mobs do melt tho, but I still have to pay attention as I don't have much ES stacked yet. And I guess to be fair tho I crafted alot more on my warrior cause it was my first PoE experience and I was enjoying it. But my 2nd time around, after playing for 60 hours already I didn't even bother to craft many magic items because it just doesn't feel good and it's just a waste of currency.
Jung the type of guy to go into an early access game, push for the most powerful and balance contentious builds like coc and then cry when the op stuff he finds gets nerfed. I appretiate you and your work Jung but grow up.
on campaign, i agree, it's great 9/10, however, some achetypes have very very bad skills, they should entirely rework/change most skills, they are unsatisfying to use and very sluggish that is why people rush to one button builds, GGG will never acknowledge this because it is admitting their lack of actual dev skills
on that note, GGG pls design more skills like ice strike, meaning combo based with multiple animations you have budget for it, if you don't have skills, fire your team, and hire in south korea
This community is proly the only gaming community ive ever seen where a non triple a company can produce a solid piece of work and still get told by neckbeards that they "have no dev skills." God damn they just put in a massive fucking endgame patch fixing issues and they have 0 dev skills. Obviously they need to get Howwwwww on the team to really fix this shit ig.
I find it very interesting when people applaud the campaign since I found it so monotonous and linear. The most captivating part of PoE to me is finding a tiny, innocuous interaction and growing it into an incredibly powerful build capable of snapping endgame content out of existence. I have always seen the campaign (including poe 1) to be a massive hurdle that does nothing but impede my desires especially when I have to complete it multiple times in the same league.
Then there is a question of what could substitute for the campaign? Obviously, the devs won't drop you into end game with a brand new level 65 character or whatever. At least, I don't see them ever entertaining that idea. I know D4 just dumps you into the game at level 1 if you campaign skip, but I didn't find that any more satisfying or fun than if I were go through the campaign. What would be a good alternative that would still hold its fun through repeat playthroughs?
Tri you are good but as someone who seen all your videos, I cant stand hearing you complain about the end game one more time. I hope this new patch can make you a bit happier with it so I can watch your stuff again
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One of, if not my favorite podcast from you so far. He’s totally right, your podcasts have allowed the community to hear so many different point of views about the game, which is so important for a game like this. I hope these never stop, and people continue to show up for these. This is YOUR THING Tri! And you’re so good at it! Keep it up man!
+1
Was a great podcast! Loved how he approached his content and LOVED what he said about path of building. Path of Building is not needed for experimenting and I have had way more fun trying out things blindly. There are plenty of interactions you can't learn unless you are testing things in game. Instant fan of Jungroan!
THIS PoB isn't shit! Learn to test stuff out yourself people!
PoB isn't needed for people with the time to make costly mistakes for sure, while I mostly enjoyed it without it sometimes damage would nosedive for reasons I couldnt work out putting me off trying something out there with my build so I like PoB allowing me to 'test' things without hours of farming back to square one. Waiting for an economy reset to jump back in cause ended up bricking 2 lvl 80's with stupid build attempts 😂
I just want to say that it’s so refreshing how you timestamp each conversation. Excellent stuff.
what an eccentric and confident young man! Jung was great too!
Never fully sat through a Jung stream but I like bro a lot. I thought he had a super analytic strat for making broken builds, but he's legit just trying stuff out like the rest of us lol this was a nice change of pace
he really likes when you tell him hes your favorite twink 🤗
Cool talk and a very interesting perspective to shed light on. I'm really enjoying this series of interviews.
I especially liked the positive note Jung ended on: Yes sometimes patch notes are throwing a wrench into your system, but it's much healthier to see that as a challenge to break the next best thing rather that sink into a mind state of doom and gloom.
I agree with Jung, thanks for what you're doing. These interviews are great. And in general, your enthusiasm is infectious. Just stop calling people "you butt!" Haven't heard it in a few weeks, which is good. I suggest you keep it that way.
Thanks, you butt!
But seriously, oh my oh my, did I do that? LMAO
gotta lot of respect for this guy, he gets good and owns games like a true nerd, i can tell he enjoys breaking numbers and seeing the biggest crits, while enjoying a difficult challent at the same time.
I've heard of Jungroan in passing, but never consumed his stuff. This was a great introduction to him, for those of us who are new and unfamiliar with him.
"I cant read Chinese" was my favourite line.... :P
Is he korean?
@@Ericarizamylespretty sure he is Canadian
@@Ericarizamyles Seems like your average American to me.
Lol thiS made me laugh.
:) I thought he might be able to if he was surfing Bilibili!
The D3 comment (and the GW1 slip) point to a universal fact. A hardcap burst damage constraint in development monster side produces some of the best mechanical depth options or forces the devs to suffer/admit their lack of skill (as Actiblizz often showed off).
And it should apply to bosses, even their ultimate moves like the arbiter flame tunnels and fryingpan ring assuming a proportional investment has been made to defenses (as in, you dedicate a solid 80% of your passive skill tree on reducing enemy damage and amping EHP), resulting in a slow clash of titans just as a full glass build should have the proportional time reward in a "hp side david vs goliath while damage side meeting of peers" case.
"I was being coached by Alk... and he was veeeery unhelpful, very unhelpful" classic
Tri your podcasts keep getting better and better. This was such a great talk. Thank you for taking the time to create these dude, you’re the best.
Just don’t interview dslilly. lol poor cat master, I bet he wanted to jump off a bridge the interview
The idea of playing a game and just "seeing the numbers and the skill" compared with noticing the environmentals is a big difference in how/why folks play.
IMHO, the ambiance of this game is great, though I never played POE, so I'm still connecting with the lore, but the graphics and sound are incredible. The bloom effects are wild on a 4090.
Re: "PvE" balance...one of the benefits of "tank" classes in other games is the ability to keep the attention of a boss, so that the DPS can focus on not standing in the green/purple/fire on the floor while executing their combos.
the build god himself, my first poe build ever was a jung build
He isnt a build God lmao
@@breakthecode4634so is you?clown?
@@breakthecode4634 Hes reknown in the community as 1 of the 3 best players and one of the best build creators
Those Crones were really fucky for me..... they'd run right up to melee with me, and then do the shotgun.
This was lined up perfectly. This would have been a wasted interview before the patch from jung.
ok i'm excited to dive back in. Took a break to not burnout.
I'ma say this again, they do not need to balance the game around people like this guy balance the game for regular people not crackheads
Wasn’t till my 3rd character that I even started seeing the blood and the small things
Did we just breeze over the fact that Jung has a PhD?! In what?!! That’s awesome!
Something math related?
Public policy
Underwater Basket Weaving
pretty sure he even taught for a bit
Thanks for the podcast.
I said the same thing a while ago as Jung, for the last 12 years I would've been watching USA News as my favorite drama TV show if I didn't live here and it wasn't actually affecting my life. All of this is so ridiculous
Tri you mentioned that you can't think of an issue regarding the target dummy but have you thought of server capacity?
It might be a reason too.
As i write this the POE2 site/trade is down and i think we should pressure them more on upgrading that part as a higher priority
and for second to fix all the perfomance issues in game before focusing so much on nerfing classes etc.
from the little i remember from devs, they are kind of afraid that it would take too much work, cause they imagine you would need a fully customizable dummy, so people can test on white mobs, magic, rare, bosses, pinacle, and then you want to test mobs with certain mods, bosses with mods, etc..
Great cast. I'll also recommend mace. I started a warrior on Dec 6th and got to maps using dual 2-hand maces. The basic attack is the one I use for main damage. About halfway through campaign, I started un-spec'ing defense passives and later ditched the shield. Slower, fun gameplay.
I used to dislike this channel, especially pre PoE2 release due to reasons often parroted then. But you've turned me around with the work since release, it has been great and now I'm staying subscribed. Fantatic interview, once again.
Jung seems like a very chill and eloquent guy. I hadn't interacted with his content that much before but a lot of the highlight channels and general community discourse around him paint him as some sort of supervillain, which is totally undeserved imo.
I'm fine with losing xp on death after a certain level. I'm fine with the one portal system. But pls give me another shot at whatever mechanic was on the map 😩
1 portal rule should never change, what should change is whoever designs monsters/ai/ondeath effect, he should change career
So glad to hear someone being honest & ranking PoE2 as like a 7.5 outta 10. How many people got their best gear from trading b/c crafting is a waste of currency? Progress grinds to a halt in mapping & just turns into currency speed farming in order to buy power. There's always a fear of random 1-shots, & the punishment for death is ridiculously harsh. The game mode & the trials are what people didn't like to do in PoE1, but now they simp for it in PoE2. And if you're playing on console... god have mercy on your soul the game runs so bad.
You really aren't buying power, since all of the items you are buying are crafted or found by other players. I've been selling some items lately and have made some currency from it. It doesn't take too much trial and error to craft some good items. All you need is the right base piece. Trial of the sekhemas needs work for sure though. People need their ascendencies, so having a system that makes certain builds useless early is not good.
Mercenary Mace Witchhunter with Zealous Inquisition Stampede + Bleed Hammer of the Gods, combo Seismic Cry, Leap Slam, Resonating Shield, Stampede, Shield Charge. A lot of fun
Mace skills are REALLY Clunky when you compare to quarterstaff and casters.
"I cant read Chinese man" killed me xD ...
Super nice podcast. Training dummies would be nice but for real build-testing we would need an NPC that "trains" with us. Both Doryani and the Vaal Priestess are capable fighters in the lore, they should be able to take a hit xD
Heck, doriyani TAKES hits and survives easily. All we really do to him is trash his favorite toy. I'm sure he would love to spar.
post patch-Lightning Storm is still only 2 pixels on the ground under corpses and player ground effects) and 1-shots like an urban youth
These are my favourite poe 2 videos. Very interesting to listen. Keep up the good work 👍
"i can't read Chinese" I got such a long laugh at that. Great podcast!
As a player that's new to actually loving end game in an ARPG as complex as POE2, it's interesting to hear all these number guys be interested in the numbers instead of mechanics and game feel. I hated math in school and it takes a lot to make numbers even remotely interesting to me. This game does a good job of it though.
If they made it so you only lost the content that you engage with during a map then the losses would feel more justified.
The most family friendly character in the creator community and the most un-family friendly this should be good
We need a target dummy with a boss health bar (showing damage over health).
those shield guys on the dreadnought need a rework, they pile up on the narrow bridges and you cant damage them from the front so some builds get cucked super hard
hey I recently saw one of your videos where you mentioned you will have another interview in February, please i beg you to ask a question about the skin prices.
What i mean by that. Path of Exile got insane high skin prices, most full armor sets cost 45€ and some up to 89€ The despair armour pack + back costs: 148€, this is insane. I love to buy skins and i spend huge cash in games like league and i know a lot of other people do so too. I am sure if skin would cost around 20-30€ for a full armour pack WAY more people would purchase them and in the end they would make a win even with lower prices.
I would really appreciative if you could ask them if they would be open to test out a skin pack with a lower price to see if it will sell more then the average. I hope you will be able to fit in this question i know i am not alone with this issue
You're a gem to the community
What was the unique he designed for POE2?
Hasn’t done it yet!
Love Jung. Jung and ruetoo best content creators
I'm really hoping with the other six characters the new ones that they drop 1 every 2 months or something like that instead of just dropping them all at once.
42:49 bruh, I’m not playing a 10 minute boss fight in any game. Lololol
try any souls-like :)
@ I played Demon Souls and DS1. I havnt liked one since though. Maybe I just got my fill of them. Idk.
1:19 the black chambers is NSFL
Oh snap just happened to look at TH-cam as I'm going on break lol
Tri, get a CW interview. We miss the guy.
Loved the talk
The thing about politics is that even if you stay out of it they never stay out of your life.
The center of the nerf bingo himself.
this MF jung smart af ... he def gained a new follower here
My wife sees all the chests and points them out. I’m tell her I got more stuff on my mind lol
he is so nonchalant about his prodigal ability to see a diamond in the rough when creating builds.
I lost count, how many times did Jungroan say like in this vid?
Jungroan 1 of the best gamers in POE 2 his caliber is same as alkaizerx
I don't think they should have nerfed the gorilla. I think any time you can't beat a boss. You need to backtrack and level up and farm for better gear. Until you can . I ran SSF All 6 characters 1 ascendancy for each one through to cruel, it just takes time.
I'm actually thinking about doing it again but Choosing the other ascendancy for each character
on bossing: MMO boss design is WRONG, PoE is not turn based or tab-target, boss fight should not be pattern recognition and state-machine based, it should be a dance with the boss, boss should react to what you do, if you play aggressive, boss should focus on dodging you, if you play defensive, boss should try to break your stance, if you escape to heal, boss should pressure you
MMO bossing is most boring when your input are action-realtime based
i can't believe that's what jung is suggesting; no wonder everyone wants to build for one shotting bosses, they are not interested in the challenge, hence why they want pattern based bossing so they can turn off their brain and one keep ose shotting things, skill less
i really do not comprehend why people say that HC is the way to play any game. Is this a gamba thing? why is it compiling?
When ppl spend so long in the base game that they can play it with their eyes closed then HC offers a new challenge. IMO, its primarly the no lifes and content creators that will enjoy HC. If you have a career, relationship, or family that needs cared for then softcore is actually the only choice.
I have no idea. I play the game a ton and have no interest in HC.
46:49 the majority of mechanics in the game feel obscenely punishing to melee. It’s like an 80/20 split of anti melee vs anti ranged.
Ranged does tend to work better overall, but there are some very good melee builds out there. Lightning strike monk seems to be the best atm
Bring back racing season with demigods
Why there's no orb of scouring?
To make groud loot worthwhile.
You get ground loot!?!?!
Y, orb of scouring completely negates the need to pick up any loot, it's a very op item when you actually think about it
Gotta leave some items to add in later. I'm sure they will add a league where you can scourge items in someway
ilvl 82 seems fairly accessible to get white crafting bases
I didn't find cruel to be overly easy. I think it was easier then the first 3 acts on normal but killing bosses in 3 seconds was definitely not my experience.
I actually found the campaign to be easier with my warrior then my sorc. I'm using arc as my main skill so maybe that why, but I know bosses aren't rolling over and dying for me that quick. Mobs do melt tho, but I still have to pay attention as I don't have much ES stacked yet.
And I guess to be fair tho I crafted alot more on my warrior cause it was my first PoE experience and I was enjoying it. But my 2nd time around, after playing for 60 hours already I didn't even bother to craft many magic items because it just doesn't feel good and it's just a waste of currency.
I love jungle Ryan
that's a based take at the end, thanks for the podcast
Jung one of the goats
Assuming he speaks Chinese was hilarious XD.
He said he surfed Bilibili, the biggest Chinese social media. Turns out he just enjoys the videos on there!
He does speaks some Chinese but reading Chinese is just another thing
Hire him and make the game more fun
GO LIONS
That dude needs some sleep lol
You should interview Elon Musk next!😅
I loved early d3
Jung the type of guy to go into an early access game, push for the most powerful and balance contentious builds like coc and then cry when the op stuff he finds gets nerfed. I appretiate you and your work Jung but grow up.
Omg hype
on campaign, i agree, it's great 9/10, however, some achetypes have very very bad skills, they should entirely rework/change most skills, they are unsatisfying to use and very sluggish
that is why people rush to one button builds, GGG will never acknowledge this because it is admitting their lack of actual dev skills
on that note, GGG pls design more skills like ice strike, meaning combo based with multiple animations
you have budget for it, if you don't have skills, fire your team, and hire in south korea
This community is proly the only gaming community ive ever seen where a non triple a company can produce a solid piece of work and still get told by neckbeards that they "have no dev skills." God damn they just put in a massive fucking endgame patch fixing issues and they have 0 dev skills. Obviously they need to get Howwwwww on the team to really fix this shit ig.
That was a lot of coc talk
lol Jung is playing a different game
I think they should keep races away from poe2 and let it be more of a focus for poe1 because poe1 is better suited for races.
An add every two minutes
If you like dancy fights FFXIV is a much better example then WoW
1 map 1 try.
I find it very interesting when people applaud the campaign since I found it so monotonous and linear. The most captivating part of PoE to me is finding a tiny, innocuous interaction and growing it into an incredibly powerful build capable of snapping endgame content out of existence. I have always seen the campaign (including poe 1) to be a massive hurdle that does nothing but impede my desires especially when I have to complete it multiple times in the same league.
Then there is a question of what could substitute for the campaign? Obviously, the devs won't drop you into end game with a brand new level 65 character or whatever. At least, I don't see them ever entertaining that idea. I know D4 just dumps you into the game at level 1 if you campaign skip, but I didn't find that any more satisfying or fun than if I were go through the campaign. What would be a good alternative that would still hold its fun through repeat playthroughs?
dang im early
I cant read Chinese LOL
Tri you are good but as someone who seen all your videos, I cant stand hearing you complain about the end game one more time. I hope this new patch can make you a bit happier with it so I can watch your stuff again
And I wish elon musk would just go away
Jung should work on fully pronouncing his words.
Assuming English is not his native language, he is very well spoken. I kindly disagree with your take.
This is boring ngl